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Posted: 9/25/2023 12:12:12 AM EST
[#1]
If the guy getting bombed is a mercenary, is he entitled the ability to surrender?
"A mercenary shall not have the right to be a combatant or a prisoner of war" I can't see any identifying patches, but the image quality is not great. |
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Posted: 9/25/2023 12:46:34 AM EST
[#2]
Killing people who are obviously surrendering is murder and yes it's a war crime.
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Posted: 9/25/2023 12:50:41 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes including one within a few feet of him. There was no attempt at organized surrender. It was just one guy in a terrible situation trying to find a way to stop what was happening. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: and if parts of the trench are still resisting? Thats the context we are really missing, or are his buddies in Foxholes outside of the FOV, Yes including one within a few feet of him. There was no attempt at organized surrender. It was just one guy in a terrible situation trying to find a way to stop what was happening. Fire on the troops that are not surrendering. It's more effective, not a waste of ordinance, and not a war crime. |
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Posted: 9/25/2023 12:57:23 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Killing people who are obviously surrendering is murder and yes it's a war crime. To be fair, the invader broke the law first when he crossed over the Ukrainian border holding a rifle. If an armed home invader kills somebody in your household, then surrenders when you confront him, would you be a criminal for bringing him to the “FO” stage of “FAFO?” In the words of Jim Carrey  ETA: The home invader who surrendered after killing a member of your household is also trying to steal your house even though he already has a house 10 times the size of yours. He already managed to steal 2 of your 10 rooms which he trashed. |
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Posted: 9/25/2023 5:36:46 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I sure hope he wasn’t trying to be a contrarian. Unfortunately, nobody admits to openly supporting Russia. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: So the guy who went all the way to write sheet music for the Russian national anthem and post it did it to be contrarian? That’s awfully dedicated or autistic I sure hope he wasn’t trying to be a contrarian. Unfortunately, nobody admits to openly supporting Russia. Except for the Arfcommer who actually defected to Russia, and moved there while he was on terminal leave from the Army. |
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Posted: 9/25/2023 5:38:48 AM EST
[#6]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Killing people who are obviously surrendering is murder and yes it's a war crime. He wasn’t surrendering. |
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Posted: 9/25/2023 5:47:59 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Fire on the troops that are not surrendering. It's more effective, not a waste of ordinance, and not a war crime. You saying it's a war crime does not make it one. It's pretty clear that it isn't from the facts posted. |
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Posted: 9/25/2023 6:49:42 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Except for the Arfcommer who actually defected to Russia, and moved there while he was on terminal leave from the Army. What happened to him, again? 
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Posted: 9/25/2023 7:17:04 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What happened to him, again? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Except for the Arfcommer who actually defected to Russia, and moved there while he was on terminal leave from the Army. What happened to him, again? .  . |
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Posted: 9/25/2023 7:52:27 AM EST
[#10]
Wrong quote
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Posted: 9/25/2023 10:16:34 AM EST
[#11]
Quote HistoryQuoted: To be fair, the invader broke the law first when he crossed over the Ukrainian border holding a rifle. If an armed home invader kills somebody in your household, then surrenders when you confront him, would you be a criminal for bringing him to the “FO” stage of “FAFO?” In the words of Jim Carrey https://media.tenor.com/yWGsA1aUMWQAAAAC/liar-liar-jim-carrey.gif ETA: The home invader who surrendered after killing a member of your household is also trying to steal your house even though he already has a house 10 times the size of yours. He already managed to steal 2 of your 10 rooms which he trashed. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Killing people who are obviously surrendering is murder and yes it's a war crime. To be fair, the invader broke the law first when he crossed over the Ukrainian border holding a rifle. If an armed home invader kills somebody in your household, then surrenders when you confront him, would you be a criminal for bringing him to the “FO” stage of “FAFO?” In the words of Jim Carrey https://media.tenor.com/yWGsA1aUMWQAAAAC/liar-liar-jim-carrey.gif ETA: The home invader who surrendered after killing a member of your household is also trying to steal your house even though he already has a house 10 times the size of yours. He already managed to steal 2 of your 10 rooms which he trashed. Holy cow, I totally misread the situation! I didn't realize that this conscript chose to invade Ukraine on his own! I thought Vladamir Putin and the Russian state sent him into Ukraine, supported by a propaganda apparatus that is similar to the one that got the American people to support the invasion of Iraq! I didn't know that he was out there, without the Russian army, doing home invasions of his own volition. For some reason, I thought that he was a conscripted Russian soldier, who might think he's there to denazify Ukraine, protect ethnic Russians who were getting killed by the Azov Nazis, and protect his homeland against NATO encroachment. I guess since he's not a soldier, but just a home invader, then it's okay to murder him while he's surrendering. I mean, we can kill home invaders when they surrender multiple times, and then post the video of us torturing them to the internet and laugh about it, right? A prosecutor would be totally fine with that right? Gosh, I was so confused, thank you for helping me to understand. |
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Posted: 9/25/2023 10:19:25 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: He wasn’t surrendering. How could he have surrendered harder? |
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Posted: 9/25/2023 10:23:52 AM EST
[#13]
Quote HistoryQuoted: ... I mean, we can kill home invaders when they surrender multiple times, and then post the video of us torturing them to the internet and laugh about it, right? A prosecutor would be totally fine with that right? ... Analogies fail when they aren't analogous. Soldiers are lawful targets at nearly all times, criminals not so much. If you watched one member of a home invader group "surrendering" to your Blink camera has he actually surrendered? |
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Posted: 9/25/2023 10:46:27 AM EST
[#14]
Quote HistoryQuoted: How could he have surrendered harder? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: He wasn’t surrendering. How could he have surrendered harder? Staring up at the sky and holding your hands up doesn't really work. Neither does sending a letter or postcard that has, "I surrender, please don't kill me" written on it. You have to surrender to opposing forces who have the means to take you into custody. What the soldier in question did, was simply begged to not be killed during combat. THAT is not the same thing as surrendering. If in WWI you looked through your telescope, across no mans land and saw an INDIVIDUAL enemy soldier holding his hands up, asking to not be mortared and machine gunned -is he surrendering? Are you obligated to walk across no mans land to get him? Did his entire unit surrender? No? |
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Posted: 9/25/2023 10:49:33 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Staring up at the sky and holding your hands up doesn't really work. Neither does sending a letter or postcard that has, "I surrender, please don't kill me" written on it. You have to surrender to opposing forces who have the means to take you into custody. What the soldier in question did, was simply begged to not be killed during combat. THAT is not the same thing as surrendering. So having one guy on the front of a ship waving a white flag doesn't remove the boat's status as a lawful target? |
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Posted: 9/25/2023 10:52:32 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So having one guy on the front of a ship waving a white flag doesn't remove the boat's status as a lawful target? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Staring up at the sky and holding your hands up doesn't really work. Neither does sending a letter or postcard that has, "I surrender, please don't kill me" written on it. You have to surrender to opposing forces who have the means to take you into custody. What the soldier in question did, was simply begged to not be killed during combat. THAT is not the same thing as surrendering. So having one guy on the front of a ship waving a white flag doesn't remove the boat's status as a lawful target? No. But also remember, a "white flag" has a very specific, symbolic meaning that is universally recognized. Holding your hands up and shaking your head does not necessarily mean "I surrender." "Please don't kill me" is not the same thing as surrrendering. |
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Posted: 9/25/2023 11:08:24 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Where are all the posts about the Russian war crimes? It's interesting how much focus is given here when Ukraine does something wrong and the same attention is conspicuously absent notwithstanding the much greater number of horrors for which Russia is responsible (including starting this awful war in the first place) I'm sure they are happening but at least they aren't stupid enough to post it on social media |
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Posted: 9/25/2023 11:21:09 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You're more than welcome to post one. So far every one has turned out to be an UKR false flag so maybe you'll get lucky. I'm sure they are happening but at least they aren't stupid enough to post it on social media Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Where are all the posts about the Russian war crimes? It's interesting how much focus is given here when Ukraine does something wrong and the same attention is conspicuously absent notwithstanding the much greater number of horrors for which Russia is responsible (including starting this awful war in the first place) I'm sure they are happening but at least they aren't stupid enough to post it on social media You keep suggesting that the Bucha massacre claims are Ukrainian "false flag." Clearly you've seen a report that makes this claim. Link? lol |
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Posted: 9/25/2023 11:22:41 AM EST
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I'm sure some here will love this, but it's a war crime. "Both Russia and Ukraine are Parties to the 1949 Geneva Conventions and the 1977 Additional Protocols. Accordingly, they are bound by those instruments, as well as the customary international law of armed conflict." Oh look, a real war. You expect anything less? |
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Posted: 9/25/2023 11:46:54 AM EST
[#20]
Quote HistoryQuoted: This is why you don't share war footage. Remember folks, you can't surrender to a drone. this |
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Posted: 9/25/2023 11:49:25 AM EST
[#21]
Quote HistoryQuoted: What happened to him, again? Did he get killed? |
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Posted: 9/25/2023 11:50:29 AM EST
[#22]
Quote HistoryQuoted: How could he have surrendered harder? He needed to mail a letter to the Geneva Convention Secretary of Surrender (SOS). |
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Posted: 9/25/2023 11:50:35 AM EST
[#23]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Did he get killed? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: What happened to him, again? Did he get killed? Nobody knows. |
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Posted: 9/25/2023 11:54:16 AM EST
[#24]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Did he get killed? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: What happened to him, again? Did he get killed? It appears members here hope he did. Fucking disgusting. |
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Posted: 9/25/2023 11:57:50 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How is this a war crime  I noticed the op didn't cover: Russian soldiers posting videos of them raping children Cutting the cock and balls off a captured Ukrainian soldier beheading another guy mass graves and torture chambers in Russian controlled areas But damn them for dropping munitions on a guy waving at a drone who was not hors de combat  Attached FileThis you? |
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Posted: 9/25/2023 7:31:42 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Did he get killed? No clue. He simply dropped off the radar. I suspect one of three options: “Special military operation” Fled to Kazakhstan and doesn’t want to eat crow Ran back to the USA and doesn’t want to eat crow |
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Posted: 9/25/2023 7:43:37 PM EST
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: National Guardsmen Appear to Give Ladder to Illegals During Live Report https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/445260/cropped-Screenshot-2023-09-24-214153_jpg-2965846.JPG This you? I was never in eagle pass. 
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Posted: 9/25/2023 10:28:45 PM EST
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Posted: 9/25/2023 10:43:00 PM EST
[#29]
Sad how many people don’t know what an actual war crime is, let alone the Law Of War.
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Posted: 9/25/2023 10:54:10 PM EST
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You're more than welcome to post one. So far every one has turned out to be an UKR false flag so maybe you'll get lucky. I'm sure they are happening but at least they aren't stupid enough to post it on social media Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Where are all the posts about the Russian war crimes? It's interesting how much focus is given here when Ukraine does something wrong and the same attention is conspicuously absent notwithstanding the much greater number of horrors for which Russia is responsible (including starting this awful war in the first place) I'm sure they are happening but at least they aren't stupid enough to post it on social media You keep suggesting that the Bucha massacre claims are Ukrainian "false flag." Clearly you've seen a report that makes this claim. Link? lol @daoliver924 |
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Posted: 9/25/2023 11:29:33 PM EST
[#31]
where is all the screeching about this? as usual crickets from the putin fans who carry water for him would never speak out against mighty russia...
Russian troops torturing Ukrainians to death Im sure the usuals will come along with fake news! propaganda! like russia could never do a thing like that...
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Posted: 9/26/2023 1:07:23 AM EST
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: where is all the screeching about this? as usual crickets from the putin fans who carry water for him would never speak out against mighty russia... Russian troops torturing Ukrainians to death Im sure the usuals will come along with fake news! propaganda! like russia could never do a thing like that... Tag for the outrage |
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Posted: 9/26/2023 1:08:55 AM EST
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: No. But also remember, a "white flag" has a very specific, symbolic meaning that is universally recognized. Holding your hands up and shaking your head does not necessarily mean "I surrender." "Please don't kill me" is not the same thing as surrrendering. Hands up is a very specific universally recognized sign of surrender. This dude surrendered, and then was continually and repeatedly targeted as an individual, and the war criminal thought it was funny to murder the guy. |
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Posted: 9/26/2023 1:21:00 AM EST
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: where is all the screeching about this? as usual crickets from the putin fans who carry water for him would never speak out against mighty russia... Russian troops torturing Ukrainians to death Im sure the usuals will come along with fake news! propaganda! like russia could never do a thing like that... All war crimes are unacceptable and disgusting, that should be obvious. I'm not surprised that some Russians would do that, but I am surprised that Ukrainians who are armed, paid, and trained by the USA are so comfortable committing war crimes that they post them online and laugh about them. I would expect some accountability. |
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Posted: 9/26/2023 1:22:33 AM EST
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Hands up is a very specific universally recognized sign of surrender. This dude surrendered, and then was continually and repeatedly targeted as an individual, and the war criminal thought it was funny to murder the guy. How were they supposed to accept his surrender? |
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Posted: 9/26/2023 2:22:44 AM EST
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: All war crimes are unacceptable and disgusting, that should be obvious. I'm not surprised that some Russians would do that, but I am surprised that Ukrainians who are armed, paid, and trained by the USA are so comfortable committing war crimes that they post them online and laugh about them. I would expect some accountability. First of all, was the first video shared by the OP a war crime? Why and why not? |
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Posted: 9/26/2023 2:25:23 AM EST
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Hands up is a very specific universally recognized sign of surrender. This dude surrendered, and then was continually and repeatedly targeted as an individual, and the war criminal thought it was funny to murder the guy. “Murder”. That’s not murder. That’s a lawful act of war against an invader |
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Posted: 9/26/2023 2:52:15 AM EST
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: All war crimes are unacceptable and disgusting, that should be obvious. I'm not surprised that some Russians would do that, but I am surprised that Ukrainians who are armed, paid, and trained by the USA are so comfortable committing war crimes that they post them online and laugh about them. I would expect some accountability. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: where is all the screeching about this? as usual crickets from the putin fans who carry water for him would never speak out against mighty russia... Russian troops torturing Ukrainians to death Im sure the usuals will come along with fake news! propaganda! like russia could never do a thing like that... All war crimes are unacceptable and disgusting, that should be obvious. I'm not surprised that some Russians would do that, but I am surprised that Ukrainians who are armed, paid, and trained by the USA are so comfortable committing war crimes that they post them online and laugh about them. I would expect some accountability. you do realize the russian was still in a trench system that still had russians fighting and shooting. there was no surrender to be had. it is NOT a warcrime. |
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Posted: 9/26/2023 3:03:46 AM EST
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If someone kicks down your door, you use any means necessary to end the threat. The Russians don't get to invade then play the victim. |
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Posted: 9/26/2023 3:55:16 AM EST
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Invade America and watch. Is this a crime defined by a law that Ukraine agreed to follow? If not, then it's not law. There would be bodies hanging from lamp posts.... there would be no limits |
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Posted: 9/26/2023 4:24:13 AM EST
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: you do realize the russian was still in a trench system that still had russians fighting and shooting. there was no surrender to be had. it is NOT a warcrime. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: where is all the screeching about this? as usual crickets from the putin fans who carry water for him would never speak out against mighty russia... Russian troops torturing Ukrainians to death Im sure the usuals will come along with fake news! propaganda! like russia could never do a thing like that... All war crimes are unacceptable and disgusting, that should be obvious. I'm not surprised that some Russians would do that, but I am surprised that Ukrainians who are armed, paid, and trained by the USA are so comfortable committing war crimes that they post them online and laugh about them. I would expect some accountability. you do realize the russian was still in a trench system that still had russians fighting and shooting. there was no surrender to be had. it is NOT a warcrime. This. There is no reasonable intent to surrender if there is no reasonable possibility of doing so. |
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Posted: 9/26/2023 4:29:15 AM EST
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Hands up is a very specific universally recognized sign of surrender. This dude surrendered, and then was continually and repeatedly targeted as an individual, and the war criminal thought it was funny to murder the guy. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: No. But also remember, a "white flag" has a very specific, symbolic meaning that is universally recognized. Holding your hands up and shaking your head does not necessarily mean "I surrender." "Please don't kill me" is not the same thing as surrrendering. Hands up is a very specific universally recognized sign of surrender. This dude surrendered, and then was continually and repeatedly targeted as an individual, and the war criminal thought it was funny to murder the guy. He didn't surrender. There was no way for him to actually do that. Putting your hands up doesn't teleport you up to Starship Enterprise. What was he going to do, push past the other Russians and say excuse me let me through on his way past them to the front? Sorry but that guy wasn't surrendering, he would wait for the first opportunity to dodge the drone and he would take it. |
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Posted: 9/26/2023 4:32:30 AM EST
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: GD: FUCK YEAH FIREBOMB THE REST OF JAPAN AND NUKE THEM AGAIN FOR GOOD MEASURE Also GD: bUt ThE mEaN uKrAiNiAn DiD a WaRcRiMe  GD was so much better in 1945 
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Posted: 9/26/2023 5:52:50 AM EST
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Hands up is a very specific universally recognized sign of surrender. This dude surrendered, and then was continually and repeatedly targeted as an individual, and the war criminal thought it was funny to murder the guy. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: No. But also remember, a "white flag" has a very specific, symbolic meaning that is universally recognized. Holding your hands up and shaking your head does not necessarily mean "I surrender." "Please don't kill me" is not the same thing as surrrendering. Hands up is a very specific universally recognized sign of surrender. This dude surrendered, and then was continually and repeatedly targeted as an individual, and the war criminal thought it was funny to murder the guy. This is simply not true. You can’t surrender to a flying camera. To surrender, the possibility must exist for you to be taken into custody. |
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Posted: 9/26/2023 6:53:32 AM EST
[#45]
Invade a foreign country: Show him mercy, don't hurt him.
Trespass on private property in America: Blast his ass! |
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Posted: 9/26/2023 7:17:27 AM EST
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You can't shoot at someone then call timeout when they shoot back. Or......you can't want to quit when you've been shot in war.
Good explodey. |
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Posted: 9/26/2023 7:19:11 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It appears members here hope he did. Fucking disgusting. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: What happened to him, again? Did he get killed? It appears members here hope he did. Fucking disgusting. If the-Ressurector is hiding in Siberia or on the run through Europe trying to get back to America, then I hope he survives and shows back up on AR15.com so we can say “I told you so” and all share a good laugh about his Russian vacation. If he put on a Russian military uniform and entered Ukraine, then… yep. |
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Posted: 9/26/2023 7:50:01 AM EST
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: where is all the screeching about this? as usual crickets from the putin fans who carry water for him would never speak out against mighty russia... Russian troops torturing Ukrainians to death Im sure the usuals will come along with fake news! propaganda! like russia could never do a thing like that...  |
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Posted: 9/26/2023 8:19:07 AM EST
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Literally no different than an artillery strike hitting an area. Adjusting fire and hitting it again. Then adjusting one more time to off the stragglers. Spotter says "They aren't done yet." and more rounds land. The only reason this gets any attention was because it's on video. Shit happens it's a war..This time it happened to the aggressor |
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Posted: 9/26/2023 8:24:40 AM EST
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I remember the video of them kneecapping Russian prisoners. Nobody is going to do a thing about it.
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