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Posted: 12/20/2018 1:44:32 PM EDT
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Safe thread with pre-determined open date in March. This is a tag.
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Posted: 12/20/2018 3:50:09 PM EDT
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I see where you are going but also think that when an Agent attempts to confirm lawful ownership of a SBR, Supressor, MG or DD that they contact BATF and not Treasury or IRS Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: NFA records would be exempt from FOIA on account of being considered tax records, no? All I meant was that NFA records are classified as tax documents, which are not subject to FOIA. That doesn't mean they are IRS related. |
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Posted: 12/20/2018 4:21:57 PM EDT
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What legal justification do they need to gather information you willingly give them either directly or indirectly? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What legal justification do they have for so much information gathering if you haven't been charged with a crime? |
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Posted: 12/20/2018 4:24:38 PM EDT
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In to see where this (eventually) goes
Will this take half the time of a form 4 or twice, nobody knows 
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Posted: 12/20/2018 4:27:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Do you have a rough number? |
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Posted: 12/20/2018 4:35:22 PM EDT
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Shit. That's an interesting idea. |
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Posted: 12/21/2018 12:05:53 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I never suggested otherwise. All I meant was that NFA records are classified as tax documents, which are not subject to FOIA. That doesn't mean they are IRS related. |
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Posted: 12/21/2018 1:51:59 AM EDT
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Ahh gotcha. I went and read the 522c but got lost. Too much lawyer. The way I phrased my request ahould bring mention that a tax form is on file though or is the fact that the file even is made allowed to be protected. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: I never suggested otherwise. All I meant was that NFA records are classified as tax documents, which are not subject to FOIA. That doesn't mean they are IRS related. If I knew your name and SSN and FOIA'd your NFA filings (for the sake of discussion, let's assume they are not under another legal entity's name), ATF would return nothing to me. Not "We have, but cannot give you what you want." Just nothing.... or, at best, something along the lines of what we've gotten before (paraphrased) "NFA transfer forms are tax records and are not subject to FOIA requests." Just to be clear, I do not know your name and SSN, and I am absolutely not submitting any FOIA requests about you. A FOIA request is not bound to the requestor - e.g. it is not "Citizen X would like to see everything we have on citizen X" - it is "A citizen wants to see everything we have on citizen X." Whatever rights you may have to your own information, in the context of a FOIA request, are irrelevant. Hence the reason why some information is denied even if you might be able to request it (as yourself) through other channels. |
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Posted: 12/22/2018 3:03:55 PM EDT
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Every SOT I've known well enough to talk to about the issue has said that any inspection involves the ATF agents sending copies of their paperwork back to update the NFA registry, they'll show up with a list of what they think the SOT has in inventory and there will be significant discrepancies. Of course, the BATFE will still claim the registry is completely accurate in court, even after the Busey letter. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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In. They can't even manage the nfa registry and they think they can register everyone? |
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Posted: 12/22/2018 7:10:10 PM EDT
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What costs are we looking at here? Hundreds of bucks.........under a 100?
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Posted: 12/26/2018 10:07:41 AM EDT
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IN
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Posted: 12/26/2018 10:13:36 AM EDT
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Mine was free
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Posted: 12/26/2018 10:51:54 AM EDT
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Exactly! That happened to me. they said that I was missing items only for me to show them copies of the approved form fours. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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In. They can't even manage the nfa registry and they think they can register everyone? |
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Posted: 1/25/2019 1:02:14 AM EDT
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Anything new?
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Posted: 2/22/2019 4:47:58 PM EDT
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Anything new? |
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Posted: 2/22/2019 5:18:57 PM EDT
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Have you been to Jupiter, FL in the last eight months?
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Posted: 2/22/2019 8:01:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryWhat did he think the outcome of this would be? Seriously wtf are these people thinking.
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Posted: 2/22/2019 8:07:47 PM EDT
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Have you been to Jupiter, FL in the last eight months? |
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Posted: 2/22/2019 8:13:16 PM EDT
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Im hoping this didnt slow my form 4 down
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Posted: 2/22/2019 8:16:47 PM EDT
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I've driven by it a few times to go from 95 to the turnpike Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Have you been to Jupiter, FL in the last eight months?
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Posted: 2/22/2019 8:33:05 PM EDT
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I used to drive by a couple of times a week for a couple of years. My question was kind of a joke about the Robert Kraft bust in Jupiter. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Have you been to Jupiter, FL in the last eight months? |
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Posted: 2/22/2019 8:50:53 PM EDT
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I know, but it's funny because I really did drive by it a few times in the last month Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Have you been to Jupiter, FL in the last eight months? |
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Posted: 2/22/2019 9:37:27 PM EDT
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Tag
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Posted: 2/23/2019 1:13:08 AM EDT
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As long as you disclose the encounter to the investigator when you go to renew, you will be ok. I sold a beretta 92 slide on Ebay, I sent it to New Jersey but it ended up being found in a package going to Russia. I had customs, homeland, CID, and the FBI in my commanders office wanting to see me. Long story short, it all turned out ok. I hold a ts- csi yw. |
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Posted: 3/18/2019 4:10:21 PM EDT
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Documents in mail this afternoon.
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Posted: 3/18/2019 4:52:18 PM EDT
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Documents in mail this afternoon. 
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Posted: 3/18/2019 5:01:15 PM EDT
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You should FOIA the FBI next!
Won't that be fun! |
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Posted: 3/18/2019 5:02:15 PM EDT
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Could be you. Could be a lot of people.
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Posted: 3/18/2019 5:03:33 PM EDT
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Documents in mail this afternoon. |
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Posted: 3/18/2019 5:43:10 PM EDT
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In before OP gets a bunch of black pages.
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Posted: 3/18/2019 10:41:31 PM EDT
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In before OP gets a bunch of black pages. 
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Posted: 3/19/2019 9:11:54 PM EDT
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Sorry, humor is out of place. No joking matter. good luck |
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Posted: 3/19/2019 9:19:59 PM EDT
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Documents in mail this afternoon. |
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Posted: 3/19/2019 9:28:43 PM EDT
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Let me know when you want me to sue.
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Posted: 3/19/2019 9:30:51 PM EDT
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I kinda wonder if something similar is going on with me.
Would explain the over year wait for my background check for my damn SD can |
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Posted: 3/19/2019 9:54:50 PM EDT
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Imagine a BATFE inundated with 200,000 FOIA requests. but realistically, we should ask for a FOIA document request for anyone on AR15.com. |
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Posted: 3/20/2019 2:28:58 PM EDT
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Let me know when you want me to sue. |
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Posted: 3/20/2019 2:37:10 PM EDT
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In!
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Posted: 3/20/2019 8:40:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryFor the record, I was not here
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Posted: 3/20/2019 8:45:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Imagine a BATFE inundated with 200,000 FOIA requests. |
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Posted: 3/20/2019 9:07:05 PM EDT
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My dad served in the AF as an inflight refueler.
He had to get a security clearance to do that job. They questioned my dad about being a communist because someone in Poland had been sending his grandfather a Polish newspaper in the late 40s and early 50s. They even had dates listed. People don't think the .gov be like it be, but it be just like that. |
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Posted: 3/20/2019 9:07:50 PM EDT
[#42]
In.
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Posted: 3/22/2019 10:25:05 AM EDT
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Updates?
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Posted: 3/22/2019 10:52:22 AM EDT
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I was born in 1986. They called me about a gun they thought I bought in 1968. Maybe I should FOIA them? And OP, kudos on doing that frag! Have you worked with them any more? And i wasn't here tagging this for updates |
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Posted: 3/25/2019 1:30:56 PM EDT
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Bump, because it's next week.
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Posted: 3/25/2019 1:52:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Uh, do you have a super common name like jason smith? James baker? IIRC there was a member here who is a cop and was arrested in another state by a cop who saw "outstanding warrant on James Smith" with same DOB as member. There MIGHT be more than ONE james smith with the same birthday in the US, arresting officer didn't look at the race of the warrant, height or tattoos, member had no face tattoos, wasn't black, and was too short/tall. And i wasn't here tagging this for updates IIRC the wanted party was black, the LE member was white, but they still arrested him. |
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Posted: 3/25/2019 1:58:15 PM EDT
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Bump, because it's next week. |
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Posted: 3/25/2019 2:02:55 PM EDT
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Bump, because it's next week. |
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Posted: 3/25/2019 3:07:47 PM EDT
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Updates? 
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Posted: 3/25/2019 4:04:44 PM EDT
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Doesn't explain the audio recordings. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Quoted: Have no social media to speak of (a ghost Facebook that I use to browse, but never post) prior to getting a twitter during the Kavanaugh proceedings to troll people. And ARFCOM. No Alexa or any such devices. |
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