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Posted: 11/29/2019 1:32:48 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't live there either, I'm spending 25 bucks I really shouldn't right now and 15 for an over priced hat. Match me. https://www.vcdl.org/Join-VCDL |
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Posted: 11/29/2019 1:35:08 AM EDT
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Posted: 11/29/2019 1:36:52 AM EDT
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If those statutes are read carefully (reading is for faggots) it appears these laws will impact ANTIFA, Black Lives Matter, Blank Panthers and the racist skinhead type groups rather than a bunch of nerdy white guys going to a carbine class or the shootin' range. The part about and does not apply to regular training classes or range shooting UNLESS the instructor, range officer or self appointed range leader starts shouting orders about needing to learn to shoot down democrats, liberals, etc while doing the training and then going and doing so. I'm sure arfcom will interpret it differently, but from reading those statutes the leftist groups who DO train to create disorder, intimidation and deaths would be the ones in violation. It has never been part of the Constitution that we can train in the use of firearms or use firearms to create civil unrest, intimidation or deaths. While we all fantasize about overthrowing a Biden or Warren government by force it would still be illegal. But by the time we get to the needing shooting part, it won't matter anyway, nor will this VA law if passed. Quote HistoryQuoted:
If those statutes are read carefully (reading is for faggots) it appears these laws will impact ANTIFA, Black Lives Matter, Blank Panthers and the racist skinhead type groups rather than a bunch of nerdy white guys going to a carbine class or the shootin' range. The part about for use in, or in furtherance of, a civil disorder with the intent of intimidating any person or group of persons I'm sure arfcom will interpret it differently, but from reading those statutes the leftist groups who DO train to create disorder, intimidation and deaths would be the ones in violation. It has never been part of the Constitution that we can train in the use of firearms or use firearms to create civil unrest, intimidation or deaths. While we all fantasize about overthrowing a Biden or Warren government by force it would still be illegal. But by the time we get to the needing shooting part, it won't matter anyway, nor will this VA law if passed. 
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Posted: 11/29/2019 1:47:09 AM EDT
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Posted: 11/29/2019 1:49:38 AM EDT
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Looks like the boogaloo is going to start in Virginia New Jersey ...FO time! California...FO time! Maryland...FO time! Massachusetts ...FO time! Connecticut ...FO time! Colorado...FO time! Illinois...FO time! Hawaii...FO time! DC...FO time! Virginia....now its FO time. Nothing is gonna happen, just like nothing has happened in any other state. |
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Posted: 11/29/2019 1:50:43 AM EDT
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Won't be the first time yankee interlopers have forced their unconstitutional laws on the Old Dominion state. Lots of statues and monuments and too many graveyards full of soldiers on both sides in that state. Seems only right to push the envelope in the capital. They will arrest some people for their silly unconstitutional laws but they will find out that number will end before they are through. The ghosts of the past will fill the hearts of true patriots and guide their beliefs and actions.
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Posted: 11/29/2019 2:03:35 AM EDT
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First, this is fake news. Second, dupe. Dupe. Read it to see why this legislation isn't what you think it does. |
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Posted: 11/29/2019 2:10:38 AM EDT
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The first two provisions of the law regarding paramilitary activity have been on the books since 1987 in VA. The only thing new is the third provision about open carry with intent to intimidate and over two dozen states have similar statutes on the books, to include open carry friendly states. The only four states that dont have something like this on the books regarding paramilitary activity, iirc, are HI, AK, UT and ME. ETA -- There is also an existing statute with a bunch of exceptions to these provisions that people dont knownexists, because they don't bother to use the google machine or read the relevant statutes. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: How is it fake? https://i.imgur.com/FUYjc1jl.jpg http://lis.virginia.gov/cgi-bin/legp604.exe?201+ful+SB64+hil The only thing new is the third provision about open carry with intent to intimidate and over two dozen states have similar statutes on the books, to include open carry friendly states. The only four states that dont have something like this on the books regarding paramilitary activity, iirc, are HI, AK, UT and ME. ETA -- There is also an existing statute with a bunch of exceptions to these provisions that people dont knownexists, because they don't bother to use the google machine or read the relevant statutes. |
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Posted: 11/29/2019 2:11:22 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: New Jersey ...FO time! California...FO time! Maryland...FO time! Massachusetts ...FO time! Connecticut ...FO time! Colorado...FO time! Illinois...FO time! Hawaii...FO time! DC...FO time! Virginia....now its FO time. Nothing is gonna happen, just like nothing has happened in any other state. |
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Posted: 11/29/2019 2:24:42 AM EDT
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I have said it before, and honestly at at this point might or might not say it again, because it's getting close to pencils-down time;
These people intend to steal your shit, lock you up, and/or kill you and your family. Neofeudalism with a first-world veneer. This has been their goal since before most GD'ers were born, and they are not fucking around. They suck at a lot of things and often couldn't organize a fuckup in a whorehouse, but they're really good at being corrupt weasels and finagling their way into power. Quoted:
If those statutes are read carefully (reading is for faggots) it appears these laws will impact ANTIFA, Black Lives Matter, Blank Panthers and the racist skinhead type groups rather than a bunch of nerdy white guys going to a carbine class or the shootin' range. The part about and does not apply to regular training classes or range shooting UNLESS the instructor, range officer or self appointed range leader starts shouting orders about needing to learn to shoot down democrats, liberals, etc while doing the training and then going and doing so. I'm sure arfcom will interpret it differently, but from reading those statutes the leftist groups who DO train to create disorder, intimidation and deaths would be the ones in violation. It has never been part of the Constitution that we can train in the use of firearms or use firearms to create civil unrest, intimidation or deaths. While we all fantasize about overthrowing a Biden or Warren government by force it would still be illegal. But by the time we get to the needing shooting part, it won't matter anyway, nor will this VA law if passed. They intend to use things like this to put the screws to people like us while groups like antifa do whatever they please. It's already happening in many parts of the US. Quoted:
Difference is, they’re attempting to become the strictest gun control state in the nation overnight. Other states went at it much slower. |
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Posted: 11/29/2019 2:37:10 AM EDT
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I have never had any desire to join a militia. But reading that makes me want to go out and join a militia.
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Posted: 11/29/2019 3:44:24 AM EDT
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Difference is, they’re attempting to become the strictest gun control state in the nation overnight. Other states went at it much slower. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: New Jersey ...FO time! California...FO time! Maryland...FO time! Massachusetts ...FO time! Connecticut ...FO time! Colorado...FO time! Illinois...FO time! Hawaii...FO time! DC...FO time! Virginia....now its FO time. Nothing is gonna happen, just like nothing has happened in any other state. |
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Posted: 11/29/2019 8:42:22 AM EDT
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Northam and goons are going balls to the wall. Unbelievable https://www.mom-at-arms.com/post/virginia-legislators-double-down-paramilitary-activity-firearms-training-to-be-a-felony |
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Posted: 11/29/2019 9:08:02 AM EDT
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2 years we’ve waited on Barr. And nothing. |
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Posted: 11/29/2019 9:13:27 AM EDT
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Posted: 11/29/2019 9:15:49 AM EDT
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First they take away the 2nd Amendment, then the other Amendments fall as well.
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Posted: 11/29/2019 9:31:21 AM EDT
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All gun laws, and specifically "paramilitary" laws involving training and assembling while armed are specifically aimed at preventing The People from being in a position to overthrow an overreaching government, sold to The People as "safety" which it does nothing to provide. Governments by nature inevitably infringe on the rights of the constituency which the Founding Fathers understood hence specific language protecting the right to keep and bear arms for the sole purpose of literally intimidating and/or shooting the Government and its agents when they step out of line, ergo every attempt by the Government to restrict the right to keep and bear arms is a naked grasp at undermining The People in their own interests. Hence all the packaging in For The Children, Safety, Law And Order, and Public Interests wrapping always with a ribbon of Be Afraid Of Your Fellow Citizens on top.
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Posted: 11/29/2019 9:42:45 AM EDT
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Seems like it's time to amass peacefully but armed at the VA capital and see if they have the balls to carry through with this draconian bullshit.
Force them to act in a way that sways public opinion against them. |
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Posted: 11/29/2019 9:57:03 AM EDT
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If those statutes are read carefully (reading is for faggots) it appears these laws will impact ANTIFA, Black Lives Matter, Blank Panthers and the racist skinhead type groups rather than a bunch of nerdy white guys going to a carbine class or the shootin' range. The part about and does not apply to regular training classes or range shooting UNLESS the instructor, range officer or self appointed range leader starts shouting orders about needing to learn to shoot down democrats, liberals, etc while doing the training and then going and doing so. I'm sure arfcom will interpret it differently, but from reading those statutes the leftist groups who DO train to create disorder, intimidation and deaths would be the ones in violation. It has never been part of the Constitution that we can train in the use of firearms or use firearms to create civil unrest, intimidation or deaths. While we all fantasize about overthrowing a Biden or Warren government by force it would still be illegal. But by the time we get to the needing shooting part, it won't matter anyway, nor will this VA law if passed. Did you just crawl out from under a rock or something? |
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Posted: 11/29/2019 10:04:13 AM EDT
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Damn, some folks in VA want a war.
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Posted: 11/29/2019 10:06:26 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How is it fake? https://i.imgur.com/FUYjc1jl.jpg http://lis.virginia.gov/cgi-bin/legp604.exe?201+ful+SB64+hil And I came back to VA 3 yrs ago by choice. Fml |
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Posted: 11/29/2019 10:07:32 AM EDT
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Damn, some folks in VA want a war. And the democrats seem Satanically gleeful as they are doing it. |
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Posted: 11/29/2019 10:09:03 AM EDT
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So do I understand correctly that I am still to just knee jerk and not read the actual words (civil disorder/intimidate, etc) ? When laws are written in a vague manner it's seldom by accident. |
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Posted: 11/29/2019 10:13:34 AM EDT
[#24]
Sounds like it violates the First Amendment’s guarantee of the rights to peaceful assembly and association.
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Posted: 11/29/2019 10:27:12 AM EDT
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https://apnews.com/27f3287da8604f0ea38b5e4d814ad4c8?
RICHMOND, Va. (AP) In Virginia, where the Confederacy once had its capital and where political power has historically eluded black people, African Americans have just won unprecedented levels of clout. Black officials there give ironic credit for the change to President Donald Trump and the voter animosity he's engendered. "We love Trump, he's our best ally," joked state Sen. Lionell Spruill. "The more that crazy white man talks, the better it is for us." Since Trump took office, Virginia Democrats have won three straight election cycles and are set to control the legislature next year for the first time in more than two decades. The Democratic gains have been powered in large part by black voters. |
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Posted: 11/29/2019 10:28:06 AM EDT
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Won't be the first time yankee interlopers have forced their unconstitutional laws on the Old Dominion state. Lots of statues and monuments and too many graveyards full of soldiers on both sides in that state. Seems only right to push the envelope in the capital. They will arrest some people for their silly unconstitutional laws but they will find out that number will end before they are through. The ghosts of the past will fill the hearts of true patriots and guide their beliefs and actions. It's generational communists that are doing the damage and those they've brainwashed for the last 75 yrs. It has nothing to do with "yankees"...especially in the American Revolution sense of that label. |
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Posted: 11/29/2019 10:33:08 AM EDT
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The once proud southern state of Virginia has fallen. Sad.
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Posted: 11/29/2019 10:40:10 AM EDT
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Posted: 11/29/2019 10:46:12 AM EDT
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louise_Lucas
She is President/CEO of Lucas Lodge, Lucas Transportation, Portsmouth Day Support Program and Southside Direct Care Provider organizations operating in The Lucas Professional Center located in Portsmouth. Economic development is Senator Lucas' passion and she remains unwavering in her determination to build a hotel. Shares the Name of Churchland High School English Teacher 1975-1977 in Portsmouth Virginia. - Lucas Lodge is located in Portsmouth, Virginia. This organization primarily operates in the Mental Health Clinic, Outpatient business / industry within the Health Services sector. Lucas Lodge is estimated to generate $280,370 in annual revenues, and employs approximately 12 people at this branch location. Lisa Lucas-Burke City Council Title: Vice Mayor https://www.portsmouthva.gov/Directory.aspx?EID=165 Lisa joined her family business as Program Director (October 2000) and currently serves as Executive Director and partner with her mother and sister with Lucas Lodge entities operating at Lucas Professional Center in Portsmouth. Lisa also enjoys her private business opportunity serving as a Mary Kay beauty consultant, since 1994. FAMILY Lisa is the first born daughter of Senator L. Louise Lucas and the late Otis M. Lucas. |
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Posted: 11/29/2019 10:46:30 AM EDT
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So do I understand correctly that I am still to just knee jerk and not read the actual words (civil disorder/intimidate, etc) ? All they have to do is have the da say _____ group of shooters was planning on murdering a pol, voila , guilty You trust gov too much |
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Posted: 11/29/2019 11:37:08 AM EDT
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 If we had a plan, we would park a Black gun rights group with banners right here, next week
VA Politicians need squeezed where they have their day job |
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Posted: 11/29/2019 11:49:52 AM EDT
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Nothing will really be done to stand up to it. VA gun owners will go into hiding because they are more concerned with taking care of their daily lives. Arfcom will again be the medium for folks to bitch about oppression and chat about revolutionary tactical masturbation. The left has won; they’re not going to come face to face with you. It’s the slowly boiling frog. They’ll just legislate you to the point that you’re too scared about losing your comfortable life to fight back. It would be a whole lot easier if the gestapo showed up and started violently taking your guns. Instead, they’ll just threaten you with the idea of legal consequences.
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Posted: 11/29/2019 12:32:03 PM EDT
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Posted: 11/29/2019 12:57:58 PM EDT
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Will Civil War Reenacting even be legal there now?
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Posted: 11/29/2019 1:12:52 PM EDT
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If those statutes are read carefully (reading is for faggots) it appears these laws will impact ANTIFA, Black Lives Matter, Blank Panthers and the racist skinhead type groups rather than a bunch of nerdy white guys going to a carbine class or the shootin' range. The part about and does not apply to regular training classes or range shooting UNLESS the instructor, range officer or self appointed range leader starts shouting orders about needing to learn to shoot down democrats, liberals, etc while doing the training and then going and doing so. I'm sure arfcom will interpret it differently, but from reading those statutes the leftist groups who DO train to create disorder, intimidation and deaths would be the ones in violation. It has never been part of the Constitution that we can train in the use of firearms or use firearms to create civil unrest, intimidation or deaths. While we all fantasize about overthrowing a Biden or Warren government by force it would still be illegal. But by the time we get to the needing shooting part, it won't matter anyway, nor will this VA law if passed. Quote HistoryQuoted:
If those statutes are read carefully (reading is for faggots) it appears these laws will impact ANTIFA, Black Lives Matter, Blank Panthers and the racist skinhead type groups rather than a bunch of nerdy white guys going to a carbine class or the shootin' range. The part about for use in, or in furtherance of, a civil disorder with the intent of intimidating any person or group of persons I'm sure arfcom will interpret it differently, but from reading those statutes the leftist groups who DO train to create disorder, intimidation and deaths would be the ones in violation. It has never been part of the Constitution that we can train in the use of firearms or use firearms to create civil unrest, intimidation or deaths. While we all fantasize about overthrowing a Biden or Warren government by force it would still be illegal. But by the time we get to the needing shooting part, it won't matter anyway, nor will this VA law if passed. 
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Posted: 11/29/2019 1:22:14 PM EDT
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Won't stand up in courts. Violates multiple constitutional rights.
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Posted: 11/29/2019 1:23:06 PM EDT
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Won't stand up in courts. Violates multiple constitutional rights. |
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Posted: 11/29/2019 1:39:13 PM EDT
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I had a dream where stolen dump trucks were parked blocking all lanes of I-81 and I-95. The dump trucks had Gadsden flags hanging on them. It was terrible, just terrible...
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Posted: 11/29/2019 1:40:41 PM EDT
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https://apnews.com/27f3287da8604f0ea38b5e4d814ad4c8? RICHMOND, Va. (AP) In Virginia, where the Confederacy once had its capital and where political power has historically eluded black people, African Americans have just won unprecedented levels of clout. Black officials there give ironic credit for the change to President Donald Trump and the voter animosity he's engendered. "We love Trump, he's our best ally," joked state Sen. Lionell Spruill. "The more that crazy white man talks, the better it is for us." Since Trump took office, Virginia Democrats have won three straight election cycles and are set to control the legislature next year for the first time in more than two decades. The Democratic gains have been powered in large part by black voters. 
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Posted: 11/29/2019 1:47:37 PM EDT
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I had a dream where stolen dump trucks were parked blocking all lanes of I-81 and I-95. The dump trucks had Gadsden flags hanging on them. It was terrible, just terrible... |
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Posted: 11/29/2019 1:49:10 PM EDT
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First Amendment, Second Amendment, VA State constitution...
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Posted: 11/29/2019 1:51:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
If those statutes are read carefully (reading is for faggots) it appears these laws will impact ANTIFA, Black Lives Matter, Blank Panthers and the racist skinhead type groups rather than a bunch of nerdy white guys going to a carbine class or the shootin' range. The part about and does not apply to regular training classes or range shooting UNLESS the instructor, range officer or self appointed range leader starts shouting orders about needing to learn to shoot down democrats, liberals, etc while doing the training and then going and doing so. I'm sure arfcom will interpret it differently, but from reading those statutes the leftist groups who DO train to create disorder, intimidation and deaths would be the ones in violation. It has never been part of the Constitution that we can train in the use of firearms or use firearms to create civil unrest, intimidation or deaths. While we all fantasize about overthrowing a Biden or Warren government by force it would still be illegal. But by the time we get to the needing shooting part, it won't matter anyway, nor will this VA law if passed. |
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Posted: 11/29/2019 1:55:07 PM EDT
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They also want to make it a felony to teach BJJ, Krav, or other Martial Arts. Lol
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Posted: 11/29/2019 1:55:40 PM EDT
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IIRC there are several Supreme Court decisions stating that you cannot limit people assembling militias.... since the word is actually in the constitution.
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Posted: 11/29/2019 1:55:48 PM EDT
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They're going to have to arrest that guy on VA's State flag.
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Posted: 11/29/2019 1:56:05 PM EDT
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They also want to make it a felony to teach BJJ, Krav, or other Martial Arts. Lol Honk honk |
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Posted: 11/29/2019 2:00:45 PM EDT
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Trying hard to catch up to China.. maybe even pass them up.
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Posted: 11/29/2019 2:11:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Pretty much a putz name calling gambit. It's generational communists that are doing the damage and those they've brainwashed for the last 75 yrs. It has nothing to do with "yankees"...especially in the American Revolution sense of that label. |
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Posted: 11/29/2019 2:11:29 PM EDT
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It has never been part of the Constitution that we can train in the use of firearms or use firearms to create civil unrest, intimidation or deaths. While we all fantasize about overthrowing a Biden or Warren government by force it would still be illegal. But by the time we get to the needing shooting part, it won't matter anyway, nor will this VA law if passed. How the hell do you think we got to where we are as a nation? Due in no small part "civil unrest, intimidation and death" brought to The British Crowns doorstep. We didn't earn our freedom from said Crown via harsh language and curse words. It was called the American Revolution not The Big Spat of Words Way Back When. |
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Posted: 11/29/2019 2:15:53 PM EDT
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Wonder how someone would take training for ccw permit once this is law.  they are proposing adding to the law, but the training language is the same.
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