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Posted: 10/19/2023 12:24:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Or how about "None of your fucking business."? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Since you insist on trying to make this about me despite this issue having been re-hashed repeatedly, let's get a few things straight. You have mis-stated multiple facts Some time around early 2021 my wife terminated a business relationship with an occasional accountant who refused to explain her decision to not get vaccinated. The woman would come into our home about once per month and help out making sure that bills were paid, etc. The termination was NOT for not getting vaccinated, it was for refusing to provide what my wife might have regarded as a "good" reason, e.g. "My religion prohibits it" or "I'm allergic to one or more of the ingredients" or even "My doctor advised me not to get vaccinated." She wasn't fired for not taking the VAX, she was fired for not explaining a "good" reason why she did not get the VAX.  Speaking of which... reason I picked Chili's was, as the scamdemic was fizzling out early 2022, We went to Chili's and NO ONE was in the "lobby" area. Masked dumbass, after she told us it would be a 10 minute wait said "Now you have to wait in your car and we can text you when your table is ready" I said "Wait in my car? No one is in here!" She said "yeah but more people may show up" ... I said "if I have to go to my car, I am starting the engine and going somewhere else" She said "Well, if that is your choice" ... Never stepped foot in there ever again. Not that they are going to miss my $$$ but the feeling is mutual. I know I know... "Anecdotal" |
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Posted: 10/19/2023 12:49:15 PM EDT
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Speaking of medical records being private and the way we used to do things ; natural immunity was always a thing ...until it wasn't. Then they did studies and it was as good if not better than the shot .
This is another kicker ; if you are older or at risk due to your immune system...the response from being vaccinated is not going to do much either ( antibodywise . Youre still going to make all the spike protein). Not to mention that the vaccine/virus is cumulative...so why add to it. |
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Posted: 10/19/2023 12:54:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Well, I was thinking more in line of a professional response since this WAS a working relationship. If the "Maitre D at the local Chili's asked... YES... NONE OF YOUR FUCKING BUSINESS is a perfect response. Speaking of which... reason I picked Chili's was, as the scamdemic was fizzling out early 2022, We went to Chili's and NO ONE was in the "lobby" area. Masked dumbass, after she told us it would be a 10 minute wait said "Now you have to wait in your car and we can text you when your table is ready" I said "Wait in my car? No one is in here!" She said "yeah but more people may show up" ... I said "if I have to go to my car, I am starting the engine and going somewhere else" She said "Well, if that is your choice" ... Never stepped foot in there ever again. Not that they are going to miss my $$$ but the feeling is mutual. I know I know... "Anecdotal" Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Since you insist on trying to make this about me despite this issue having been re-hashed repeatedly, let's get a few things straight. You have mis-stated multiple facts Some time around early 2021 my wife terminated a business relationship with an occasional accountant who refused to explain her decision to not get vaccinated. The woman would come into our home about once per month and help out making sure that bills were paid, etc. The termination was NOT for not getting vaccinated, it was for refusing to provide what my wife might have regarded as a "good" reason, e.g. "My religion prohibits it" or "I'm allergic to one or more of the ingredients" or even "My doctor advised me not to get vaccinated." She wasn't fired for not taking the VAX, she was fired for not explaining a "good" reason why she did not get the VAX. Speaking of which... reason I picked Chili's was, as the scamdemic was fizzling out early 2022, We went to Chili's and NO ONE was in the "lobby" area. Masked dumbass, after she told us it would be a 10 minute wait said "Now you have to wait in your car and we can text you when your table is ready" I said "Wait in my car? No one is in here!" She said "yeah but more people may show up" ... I said "if I have to go to my car, I am starting the engine and going somewhere else" She said "Well, if that is your choice" ... Never stepped foot in there ever again. Not that they are going to miss my $$$ but the feeling is mutual. I know I know... "Anecdotal" I had picked my wife up at Charlotte-Douglas intl Airport in '21 or '22 after she visited my daughter at Camp Pendleton. After we got out to parking garage she asked me if anyone gave me a hard time about not wearing a mask . I said no . She went on to inform me everyone in there had one on. I hadn't noticed ! Haha |
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Posted: 10/19/2023 12:59:15 PM EDT
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https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-022-09410-7
Pretty neat study of spike proteins on neurons . They tested it on Rodents so it's pertinent. |
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Posted: 10/19/2023 1:02:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What about close to 0%? It’s not the vaccinated spiking the excess deaths. https://i.imgur.com/Tbc9hWl.png Not surprisingly you left out your source. You're also ignoring the fact that for 2 weeks after dose 2 you're considered "unvacccinated", if you're not "up to date" you're considered "unvaccinated" in some locales. |
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Posted: 10/19/2023 1:04:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Hmmm... It's almost like we have heard this dismissive remark before... Cant place it. Wonder where we heard it before...  Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Yes some people did something. It's over. Pick yourself up and move on. Ilhan Omar....it was sarcasm. |
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Posted: 10/19/2023 1:06:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Not surprisingly you left out your source. You're also ignoring the fact that for 2 weeks after dose 2 you're considered "unvacccinated", if you're not "up to date" you're considered "unvaccinated" in some locales. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: What about close to 0%? It’s not the vaccinated spiking the excess deaths. https://i.imgur.com/Tbc9hWl.png Not surprisingly you left out your source. You're also ignoring the fact that for 2 weeks after dose 2 you're considered "unvacccinated", if you're not "up to date" you're considered "unvaccinated" in some locales. That was another one of their neat tricks they didn't think anyone would notice . " conspiracy theorist!" |
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Posted: 10/19/2023 1:12:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Evidence ; no citation It’s well established the graphs are from UK’s official data. This data is available to anyone. |
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Posted: 10/19/2023 1:14:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It’s well established the graphs are from UK’s official data. This data is available to anyone. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Evidence ; no citation It’s well established the graphs are from UK’s official data. This data is available to anyone. Proof of life is you have to hold up the newspaper with the date showing . * and as the previous poster pointed out its irrelevant due to jiggery |
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Posted: 10/19/2023 1:20:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I have a friend that got the vax. Ever since he got it he keeps a list of interactions that people claim the vaccine created. He also watches gay porn all day. Making a list and watching gay porn. Are you friends with California _Boomer? |
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Posted: 10/19/2023 1:34:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You do realize it was the local government that told restaurants they couldn't serve unvaxxed people, right? The restaurants complied. You'd obviously vote against that individual or group of individuals and financially support new leadership. That's not the crux of the point but you wanted to focus in on that specific one because it didn't affect anyone outside Seattle and it is minor compared to someone losing their job and ability to provide for their family. The point is there were people calling for unvaxxed to be put in camps. Even to have their kids taken away. What would the death rate of Covid have had to been for you to support such action? Because I know you'd most definitely have a point. Would it have been 5%? 10%? 25%? If 25% of people that got Covid died, does that justify stripping people of the freedom of those that still refused to get vaxxed? Should they lose their jobs? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Tell me how your America works. Business owners have to serve anyone? Your family has to visit you even if they disagree with your lifestyle?Employers can't decide what makes sense for their business? You can make whatever unpopular stand you want to, and everyone if free to react to your decision as they see fit. Seems like freedom in this instance really bothers you. You're making an emotional argument. I understand it hurt your feelings. Can you answer any of the questions above? How do you propose I make them serve you dinner in Seattle? Freedom means believing in the rights of others to make decisions you disagree with sometimes. Pretty commonly accepted that a restaurant has the right to refuse service. Are you against those types of rights? You do realize it was the local government that told restaurants they couldn't serve unvaxxed people, right? The restaurants complied. You'd obviously vote against that individual or group of individuals and financially support new leadership. That's not the crux of the point but you wanted to focus in on that specific one because it didn't affect anyone outside Seattle and it is minor compared to someone losing their job and ability to provide for their family. The point is there were people calling for unvaxxed to be put in camps. Even to have their kids taken away. What would the death rate of Covid have had to been for you to support such action? Because I know you'd most definitely have a point. Would it have been 5%? 10%? 25%? If 25% of people that got Covid died, does that justify stripping people of the freedom of those that still refused to get vaxxed? Should they lose their jobs? What do you mean I didn’t talk about jobs. It’s the first thing I addressed. I said I feel sorry for anyone that happened to. As an employer I didn’t ask anyone’s vaccine status. That being said, I also think I should have been able to fire anyone for not doing it, if that was what I wanted to do.I don’t owe anyone I don’t agree with a job. I don’t believe any business should have been closed during COVID. Decide your own comfort with the risk and do as you please. We can’t legislate for you to treated as gently as you’d like. Your fantastical scenario about camps doesn’t apply to me. My pops was born in an interment camp. You’d be hard pressed to find someone more against them than me. You’ll have to make up some other crazy thing to pretend I agree with. |
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Posted: 10/19/2023 1:35:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Sure. Another private company running their business as they see fit. They aren’t required to provide even coverage to both sides of the argument. When was the last time you saw a pro democrat argument on Fox? Did the government pay them to censor? Did the government require them to censor? If you’re saying for profit media companies present “news” that benefits them financially, I’d hardly call that a conspiracy. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: You forgot Twitter . The ones that banned a US President ....but then got bought out and exposed all the .gov censorship. They were acting as a government entity . That's called fascism . You better believe in conspiracies, you're living in one. Sure. Another private company running their business as they see fit. They aren’t required to provide even coverage to both sides of the argument. When was the last time you saw a pro democrat argument on Fox? Did the government pay them to censor? Did the government require them to censor? If you’re saying for profit media companies present “news” that benefits them financially, I’d hardly call that a conspiracy.  You have been living under a rock.Missouri vs Biden Hearings for the case were held in May 2023. Judge Doughty issued his ruling on July 4, 2023, issuing a preliminary injunction against several Biden administration officials from contacting social media services for "the purpose of urging, encouraging, pressuring, or inducing in any manner the removal, deletion, suppression, or reduction of content containing protected free speech." In his 155-page ruling, Doughty wrote: "The Plaintiffs are likely to succeed on the merits in establishing that the Government has used its power to silence the opposition. Opposition to COVID-19 vaccines; opposition to COVID-19 masking and lockdowns; opposition to the lab-leak theory of COVID-19; opposition to the validity of the 2020 election; opposition to President Biden’s policies; statements that the Hunter Biden laptop story was true; and opposition to policies of the government officials in power. All were suppressed. It is quite telling that each example or category of suppressed speech was conservative in nature. This targeted suppression of conservative ideas is a perfect example of viewpoint discrimination of political speech. American citizens have the right to engage in free debate about the significant issues affecting the country." He continued: "If the allegations made by plaintiffs are true, the present case arguably involves the most massive attack against free speech in United States' history. The plaintiffs are likely to succeed on the merits in establishing that the government has used its power to silence the opposition." |
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Posted: 10/19/2023 1:36:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I am against forced business shut downs. When I was In Seattle they were open. Some required vaccination cards to make a reservation. I think that’s their prerogative. |
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Posted: 10/19/2023 1:36:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Are you friends with California _Boomer? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I have a friend that got the vax. Ever since he got it he keeps a list of interactions that people claim the vaccine created. He also watches gay porn all day. Making a list and watching gay porn. Are you friends with California _Boomer? No clue who that is |
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Posted: 10/19/2023 1:38:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Not about a restaurant. it's about livelihood being taken away. People forced from their place of employment by the "No Jab/No Job" crowd. Wife's friend was let go from a very high paying job because he didn't have his "vAx CaRd" (Which btw has now been deemed "no longer needed" by the CDC... go figure) Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: But a few years ago I wanted to go out to dinner at a specific restaurant in Seattle and they didn't want me. I'll never recover from this. I don’t think you should be required to employ anyone you don’t agree with. I say this as someone who didn’t monitor the vac status of employees. |
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Posted: 10/19/2023 2:05:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryThanks in part to Elon Musk . Anyhow , good things happen when people have freedom of speech....and they use it . |
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Posted: 10/19/2023 2:12:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What do you mean I didn't talk about jobs. It's the first thing I addressed. I said I feel sorry for anyone that happened to. As an employer I didn't ask anyone's vaccine status. That being said, I also think I should have been able to fire anyone for not doing it, if that was what I wanted to do.I don't owe anyone I don't agree with a job. I don't believe any business should have been closed during COVID. Decide your own comfort with the risk and do as you please. We can't legislate for you to treated as gently as you'd like. Your fantastical scenario about camps doesn't apply to me. My pops was born in an interment camp. You'd be hard pressed to find someone more against them than me. You'll have to make up some other crazy thing to pretend I agree with. |
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Posted: 10/19/2023 2:19:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: But you didn't answer about the situation I present. Because you won't be honest with us. My answer is there is never a situation I'd support putting my fellow Americans in camps. And it's not fantastical, because there are viruses that have kill rates much higher than even the percentages I presented. I believe Ebola kills 4 out of every 5 people infected. And ebola kills very dramatically. If we had something as lethal as ebola with easy airborne spread we wouldn't be putting the unvaccinated in camps. We'd be shooting them down where they stood and burning the bodies right there. |
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Posted: 10/19/2023 2:19:13 PM EDT
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https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35143839/
Good study showing that spike alone can do damage to your endothelium (vasculitis). Interesting to note that you have about 6 tennis courts of surface area in your endothelium. |
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Posted: 10/19/2023 2:34:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: And ebola kills very dramatically. If we had something as lethal as ebola with easy airborne spread we wouldn't be putting the unvaccinated in camps. We'd be shooting them down where they stood and burning the bodies right there. |
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Posted: 10/19/2023 3:12:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: But you didn't answer about the situation I present. Because you won't be honest with us. My answer is there is never a situation I'd support putting my fellow Americans in camps. And it's not fantastical, because there are viruses that have kill rates much higher than even the percentages I presented. I believe Ebola kills 4 out of every 5 people infected. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: What do you mean I didn't talk about jobs. It's the first thing I addressed. I said I feel sorry for anyone that happened to. As an employer I didn't ask anyone's vaccine status. That being said, I also think I should have been able to fire anyone for not doing it, if that was what I wanted to do.I don't owe anyone I don't agree with a job. I don't believe any business should have been closed during COVID. Decide your own comfort with the risk and do as you please. We can't legislate for you to treated as gently as you'd like. Your fantastical scenario about camps doesn't apply to me. My pops was born in an interment camp. You'd be hard pressed to find someone more against them than me. You'll have to make up some other crazy thing to pretend I agree with. I said I’m against internment. As a cicely and personally. No also to Ebola camps if that was your question, but I really can’t believe this is something you think is going to happen. |
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Posted: 10/19/2023 3:15:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You missed the point. What if big pharma had a new untested experimental gene therapy vax for Ebola and people opted not to get it. Should they be put in unvaxxed camps? Lose their jobs? Have their kids taken away? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: And ebola kills very dramatically. If we had something as lethal as ebola with easy airborne spread we wouldn't be putting the unvaccinated in camps. We'd be shooting them down where they stood and burning the bodies right there. No to camps. I should for sure be able to fire them if I want. No to kids. We still let people with kooky beliefs harm their children in the medical arena don’t we? Just to be clear, I would not want to be around anyone unvax in your scenario and would consider them to be fucking idiots. |
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Posted: 10/19/2023 3:28:15 PM EDT
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Interesting. I don't believe they've had a successful mrna vaccine yet . I sure as hell wouldn't take one for ebola .
" if you're bleeding from the eyes you know it's working"- The Vax Scene |
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Posted: 10/19/2023 3:45:54 PM EDT
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Since the veracity of excess deaths has been brought up here is some talk on that subject. UK Parliament to have a hearing tomorrow on Friday.
 Excess death debate |
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Posted: 10/19/2023 3:48:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What about close to 0%? It’s not the vaccinated spiking the excess deaths. https://i.imgur.com/Tbc9hWl.png Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: US mortality is still running in excess. If things worked right, we should be seeing a dip below expectations after 2 years of excess as the most frail have passed. But that isn’t what the data is showing. If 3% of those who got it have issues, that will be painful. If 10% do, that will be catastrophic. But people really suck in dealing with large numbers and math cause they think it has to be everyone. What about close to 0%? It’s not the vaccinated spiking the excess deaths. https://i.imgur.com/Tbc9hWl.png So you are going to use UK data... You need to post more about how that chart was created...like does it include the: "3,287,404 visas granted in the year ending June 2023, 58% higher than the year ending June 2022." https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/immigration-system-statistics-year-ending-june-2023/summary-of-latest-statistics This would be 4% of their population based on the roughly 67.8 million they have now. That is 4 times the death rate of kung flu even in the US were we are the "epitome" (/s) of health.... |
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Posted: 10/19/2023 3:52:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No to camps. I should for sure be able to fire them if I want. No to kids. We still let people with kooky beliefs harm their children in the medical arena don't we? Just to be clear, I would not want to be around anyone unvax in your scenario and would consider them to be fucking idiots. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: And ebola kills very dramatically. If we had something as lethal as ebola with easy airborne spread we wouldn't be putting the unvaccinated in camps. We'd be shooting them down where they stood and burning the bodies right there. No to camps. I should for sure be able to fire them if I want. No to kids. We still let people with kooky beliefs harm their children in the medical arena don't we? Just to be clear, I would not want to be around anyone unvax in your scenario and would consider them to be fucking idiots. And I have no clue if Ebola is being gain of function researched. But it would surprise me exactly zero if it is. Not saying I think it could get out but Covid got out, on accident or on purpose. |
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Posted: 10/19/2023 4:02:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You missed the point. What if big pharma had a new untested experimental gene therapy vax for Ebola and people opted not to get it. Should they be put in unvaxxed camps? Lose their jobs? Have their kids taken away? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: And ebola kills very dramatically. If we had something as lethal as ebola with easy airborne spread we wouldn't be putting the unvaccinated in camps. We'd be shooting them down where they stood and burning the bodies right there. I didn't miss the point, I skewed the assumptions to one extreme where I believe the answer is clearly yes and more. You're skewing them so the answer has to be no then asking what the answer is. |
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Posted: 10/19/2023 4:10:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Well the first mention of 5G was from people like the esteemed Dr. Tenpenny who were heralded as experts because they said things people wanted to hear, even though they also said things that were idiotic. Maybe that's why people make fun of it. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Guess who the only people still obsessed about vaccines and their weird 'theories'. It's not the MSM or normies, I can tell you that. Do you think we should just let all that slide? Cause that shit happened to a metric shitload of people and you just sluff it off like we're obsessed? Fuck all that. The Gov, MSM, and all the Karen's out there so fucking fearful of their own shadow obsessed over people like me who didn't inject an experiment into their body multiple times. So who is obsessed? None of us are firing the vaxxed and taking away their livelihood. None of us are restricting jabbed from seeing our kids. None of us are saying you can't dine in at a restaurant because you're vaxxed. Yes some people did something. It's over. Pick yourself up and move on. Quoted: Quoted: LOL, pretty similar response to muh 5G nanobots vax crowd keeps crying about. MUH 5G.......  YOU PEOPLE use that one as bread and butter I actually know one. He subscribes to all the conspiracy theories, including flat earth. He frequently goes on hysterical diatribes about them. I sense the same level of hysteria in these vaccine threads. There is a thread about the 5g lady who claimed the vax magnetized you in the vax death forum. She is a doctor so of course the "muh pure bluds" worship what she says. Well the first mention of 5G was from people like the esteemed Dr. Tenpenny who were heralded as experts because they said things people wanted to hear, even though they also said things that were idiotic. Maybe that's why people make fun of it. Who gives a fuck. Stop equating people. Only a few here on that bandwagon. |
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Posted: 10/19/2023 4:21:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I didn't miss the point, I skewed the assumptions to one extreme where I believe the answer is clearly yes and more. You're skewing them so the answer has to be no then asking what the answer is. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: And ebola kills very dramatically. If we had something as lethal as ebola with easy airborne spread we wouldn't be putting the unvaccinated in camps. We'd be shooting them down where they stood and burning the bodies right there. You missed the point. What if big pharma had a new untested experimental gene therapy vax for Ebola and people opted not to get it. Should they be put in unvaxxed camps? Lose their jobs? Have their kids taken away? I didn't miss the point, I skewed the assumptions to one extreme where I believe the answer is clearly yes and more. You're skewing them so the answer has to be no then asking what the answer is. |
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Posted: 10/19/2023 4:49:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: US mortality is still running in excess. If things worked right, we should be seeing a dip below expectations after 2 years of excess as the most frail have passed. But that isn’t what the data is showing. If 3% of those who got it have issues, that will be painful. If 10% do, that will be catastrophic. But people really suck in dealing with large numbers and math cause they think it has to be everyone. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: LOL, pretty similar response to muh 5G nanobots vax crowd keeps crying about. MUH 5G....... YOU PEOPLE use that one as bread and butter I actually know one. He subscribes to all the conspiracy theories, including flat earth. He frequently goes on hysterical diatribes about them. I sense the same level of hysteria in these vaccine threads. Wild isn't it. It was probably one of the most wildly distributed vaccines in history, and apparently everyone will be dropping dead any day now.....just wait. US mortality is still running in excess. If things worked right, we should be seeing a dip below expectations after 2 years of excess as the most frail have passed. But that isn’t what the data is showing. If 3% of those who got it have issues, that will be painful. If 10% do, that will be catastrophic. But people really suck in dealing with large numbers and math cause they think it has to be everyone. Is drug use and car accident rates still on the rise? Excess deaths is just a deviation from what's expected, there's multiple factors that could affect it. |
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Posted: 10/19/2023 4:50:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So let's back in down some then and see where your threshold is for systematically killing your fellow man. Because you're down with it at one extreme, let's find where you wouldn't. What if Covid had a kill rate of 10% and as many people still opted to not take an experimental therapy that's unproven by any long term study. Keep in mind, the vaxxed are still catching Covid. At 10% kill rate would you be for shooting me down where I stood and burning my body? If not 10%, would you be at 20%? 1 in 5 dead Working under similar transmission rates Covid had. I just really think many of us would want to know how many psychopaths are on this forum. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: And ebola kills very dramatically. If we had something as lethal as ebola with easy airborne spread we wouldn't be putting the unvaccinated in camps. We'd be shooting them down where they stood and burning the bodies right there. You missed the point. What if big pharma had a new untested experimental gene therapy vax for Ebola and people opted not to get it. Should they be put in unvaxxed camps? Lose their jobs? Have their kids taken away? I didn't miss the point, I skewed the assumptions to one extreme where I believe the answer is clearly yes and more. You're skewing them so the answer has to be no then asking what the answer is. At some point the threat to others for being stupidly stubborn is reckless endangerment. Self defense or government arrest is justified. It's a moot point practically because people are not going to watch friends and family bleed out in front of them and avoid any chance of a vaccine that that might help. The more realistic possibility is the government blew any credibility they had pretending this pandemic was much worse than it was and the next one may REALLY kill more people than necessary because of resistance. |
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Posted: 10/19/2023 5:02:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Who gives a fuck. Stop equating people. Only a few here on that bandwagon. |
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Posted: 10/19/2023 5:08:14 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: No thanks. It goes to show the intelligence level of the vax death crowd. It's one of many examples. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Who gives a fuck. Stop equating people. Only a few here on that bandwagon. |
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Posted: 10/19/2023 5:24:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: At some point the threat to others for being stupidly stubborn is reckless endangerment. Self defense or government arrest is justified. It's a moot point practically because people are not going to watch friends and family bleed out in front of them and avoid any chance of a vaccine that that might help. The more realistic possibility is the government blew any credibility they had pretending this pandemic was much worse than it was and the next one may REALLY kill more people than necessary because of resistance. I legitimately don't trust the government, media, or the pharmaceutical industry (amongst others). This was in place way before Covid even ever showed up. I also don't trust some talking head (whether they are a doctor or scientist) on YouTube trying to attract my attention for monetary gain or clicks and likes. So you're right in that the gov blew any little bit of credibility they had during Covid. The amount of vaccine hesitancy has skyrocketed as a result. Good or bad that's the result. We also see it with the latest recommended Covid jab. Hardly anyone has gone out and got it. So yeah, something truly bad could be on the horizon but the boys been crying wolf so damn hard no one is listening |
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Posted: 10/19/2023 6:13:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don’t think you should be required to employ anyone you don’t agree with. I say this as someone who didn’t monitor the vac status of employees. So let me get this straight. Say a person has worked at any business for 10 or 15 years and has been a great employee. Then this fake BS vaccine mandate comes along and as an employer you think this great employee should be fired from any business including yours if you so choose if you or any business so decide they wanted that employee to inject themselves with an unproven fake ass vaccine that the government had to change the definition of what a vaccine was 3 times at least just so they could call this fake shot a vaccine. You're fine if any business fires anyone who refused at the time to take this fake shot. I mean I could understand if it was a requirement to get hired. But forcing someone who may have been at their job for years and then firing them if they refused to take it. Which this did happen is fucking BS. |
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Posted: 10/19/2023 6:26:06 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: And ebola kills very dramatically. If we had something as lethal as ebola with easy airborne spread we wouldn't be putting the unvaccinated in camps. We'd be shooting them down where they stood and burning the bodies right there. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: But you didn't answer about the situation I present. Because you won't be honest with us. My answer is there is never a situation I'd support putting my fellow Americans in camps. And it's not fantastical, because there are viruses that have kill rates much higher than even the percentages I presented. I believe Ebola kills 4 out of every 5 people infected. And ebola kills very dramatically. If we had something as lethal as ebola with easy airborne spread we wouldn't be putting the unvaccinated in camps. We'd be shooting them down where they stood and burning the bodies right there. I believe that if anything as dangerous as the viruses you guys are hypothetically throwing out were to happen. Plus there being a prove vaccine/treatment for it. People would have no problem taking it. With covid it was all the censorship by the government by any scientist who did not agree with the government. The fact that everything that went to hospital was covid so hospitals could bill the government. I personally know a church bishop who took his grandson to hospital with a broken arm. During checkout he saw on his paperwork they had the kid listed as having covid. They're answer when asked about was they just assume everyone who comes into They're hospital is positive for covid no matter the reason they came. My friend made them remove that from checkout paperwork. Covid was used by big pharmaceutical and our political leaders to fatten their bank accts and to corrupt an election. Hell Pfizer had to be forced by the courts to release their data on this fake vaccine. Which they wanted to wait 75 years to do. Who the fuck does this. A corrupted drug company and political leaders who profited from this shot. Then people like some here who still believe the BS they were spoon fed my this corrupted Socialist government who tried to use a plandemic to strip away freedoms and control every movement of the American people. 
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Posted: 10/19/2023 6:32:10 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You missed the point. What if big pharma had a new untested experimental gene therapy vax for Ebola and people opted not to get it. Should they be put in unvaxxed camps? Lose their jobs? Have their kids taken away? Absolutely not especially since there is two proven treatments for Ebola now. But knowing the government they'd call these proven treatments fake news and try to censor anyone to mentioned it and go after all medical personnel who prescribed it. Sound familiar it should. Just like COVID-19 there were better alternative treatments than this unproven fake shot that does nothing. But the government censored anyone who brought up these treatments as fake news. Guess what's being used now and prescribed by doctors those censored drugs. My doctor not once even suggested I take this fake ass shot being portrayed as a vaccine. |
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Posted: 10/19/2023 6:44:47 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Interesting. I don't believe they've had a successful mrna vaccine yet . I sure as hell wouldn't take one for ebola . " If you're bleeding from the eyes, you know it's working."- The Vax Scene They censored all the research that was available about mRNA vaccines on the internet when this plandemic came out. Afterwards, it disappeared from search engines. They'd been trying to create an mRNA vaccine for 20 plus years and could not do it. They did have limited results with a mRNA rabies vaccine. But the research it'd be impossible to mass produce. It's funny how all of that research that was readily available before covid just magically disappeared when looking for it again. But then, when given immunity from law suits. BAM, all of a sudden, they've got one. Sure, it was untested, but wtf they were immune from law suits and now had access to the largest pool of human rats in history to use this experimental drug on without repercussions. The big pharmaceutical companies refused to release any data to the public as far as health risks. It took the courts to force them to release anything. I mean, it'd not be the first time in history the federal government used American citizens as guinea pigs, now would it. Then given all of this and the attacks against the unvaxxed. Idiots are still believing everything they hear and still attacking those who disagree with their support of this shot that dies nothing. But remember to get your booster every 3 months or so now. Otherwise your going to die according the the government. |
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Posted: 10/19/2023 6:47:22 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So let me get this straight. Say a person has worked at any business for 10 or 15 years and has been a great employee. Then this fake BS vaccine mandate comes along and as an employer you think this great employee should be fired from any business including yours if you so choose if you or any business so decide they wanted that employee to inject themselves with an unproven fake ass vaccine that the government had to change the definition of what a vaccine was 3 times at least just so they could call this fake shot a vaccine. You're fine if any business fires anyone who refused at the time to take this fake shot. I mean I could understand if it was a requirement to get hired. But forcing someone who may have been at their job for years and then firing them if they refused to take it. Which this did happen is fucking BS. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I don’t think you should be required to employ anyone you don’t agree with. I say this as someone who didn’t monitor the vac status of employees. So let me get this straight. Say a person has worked at any business for 10 or 15 years and has been a great employee. Then this fake BS vaccine mandate comes along and as an employer you think this great employee should be fired from any business including yours if you so choose if you or any business so decide they wanted that employee to inject themselves with an unproven fake ass vaccine that the government had to change the definition of what a vaccine was 3 times at least just so they could call this fake shot a vaccine. You're fine if any business fires anyone who refused at the time to take this fake shot. I mean I could understand if it was a requirement to get hired. But forcing someone who may have been at their job for years and then firing them if they refused to take it. Which this did happen is fucking BS. Well, I don’t believe it was an unproven fake ass blah blah blah. Certainly not perfect or as durable as anyone hoped. For sure helped more people than it hurt. That being said, I didn’t find it necessary to ask or require my employees to be vaccinated. But, yes. If after 10-15 years of faithful service I didn’t want to be around them or thought they may impact the business negatively, I’d shit can them in a heartbeat. If at any point during an employees tenure they are more friction than grease, I’m done with them. You’re not entitled to work somewhere. Employers should be entitled to fire anyone, at any time, for any reason. Even if I’d feel bad for them on a personal level. |
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Posted: 10/19/2023 6:49:12 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Is drug use and car accident rates still on the rise? Excess deaths is just a deviation from what's expected, there's multiple factors that could affect it. The excess death rate is still higher in countries that had a big vax take-up rate (western europe, us, uk, canada, aus) and back to normal in countries that didn't (eg eastern european countries). Watch the videos, all these factors are discussed. |
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Posted: 10/19/2023 6:55:18 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: For sure helped more people than it hurt. As far as lessening symptoms I don't believe that's been proven in any way . Having said that the same people who've said it eases symptoms also don't want to look at actual harms . |
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Posted: 10/19/2023 6:58:25 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Well, I don’t believe it was an unproven fake ass blah blah blah. Certainly not perfect or as durable as anyone hoped. For sure helped more people than it hurt. That being said, I didn’t find it necessary to ask or require my employees to be vaccinated. But, yes. If after 10-15 years of faithful service I didn’t want to be around them or thought they may impact the business negatively, I’d shit can them in a heartbeat. If at any point during an employees tenure they are more friction than grease, I’m done with them. You’re not entitled to work somewhere. Employers should be entitled to fire anyone, at any time, for any reason. Even if I’d feel bad for them on a personal level. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I don’t think you should be required to employ anyone you don’t agree with. I say this as someone who didn’t monitor the vac status of employees. So let me get this straight. Say a person has worked at any business for 10 or 15 years and has been a great employee. Then this fake BS vaccine mandate comes along and as an employer you think this great employee should be fired from any business including yours if you so choose if you or any business so decide they wanted that employee to inject themselves with an unproven fake ass vaccine that the government had to change the definition of what a vaccine was 3 times at least just so they could call this fake shot a vaccine. You're fine if any business fires anyone who refused at the time to take this fake shot. I mean I could understand if it was a requirement to get hired. But forcing someone who may have been at their job for years and then firing them if they refused to take it. Which this did happen is fucking BS. Well, I don’t believe it was an unproven fake ass blah blah blah. Certainly not perfect or as durable as anyone hoped. For sure helped more people than it hurt. That being said, I didn’t find it necessary to ask or require my employees to be vaccinated. But, yes. If after 10-15 years of faithful service I didn’t want to be around them or thought they may impact the business negatively, I’d shit can them in a heartbeat. If at any point during an employees tenure they are more friction than grease, I’m done with them. You’re not entitled to work somewhere. Employers should be entitled to fire anyone, at any time, for any reason. Even if I’d feel bad for them on a personal level. You know I did not expect any other answer from you. As a matter of fact I knew what you'd say. I'm going to stop there before I get a warning or ban. I feel sorry for any one who works for assholes who'd fire them for not injecting their bodies with a unproven drug against their will. Btw count to 3. That's the number of times the government changed the definition of what a vaccine was so asshole could force it on innocent Americans or lose their livelihoods. I can't read anymore of your BS pro covid, pro vax bs so for my benefit I'm glad theres an ignore list. |
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Posted: 10/19/2023 6:59:41 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Are you friends with California _Boomer? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I have a friend that got the vax. Ever since he got it he keeps a list of interactions that people claim the vaccine created. He also watches gay porn all day. Making a list and watching gay porn. Are you friends with California _Boomer? 
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Posted: 10/19/2023 7:03:16 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Well, I don’t believe it was an unproven fake ass blah blah blah. Certainly not perfect or as durable as anyone hoped. For sure helped more people than it hurt. Certainally unproven as a product AND as an underlying technology. One could still get covid, and pass it along with no diff between vaxed and unvaxed. And the cleveland clinic study shows further boosters actually make you less and less resistant (ie convey negative protection). And now the data around excess deaths show a correlation to vax take-up. Seems like you haven't been paying attention and are still stuck on 2021 talking points long since destroyed. |
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Posted: 10/19/2023 7:43:05 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I always love the "I took the vaccine and nothing happened to me" The negative effects of Asbestos, Agent Orange and Thalidomide were not known immediately either. Which is it vax death now or vax death later? Pick one. |
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Posted: 10/19/2023 8:10:53 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: That same weak argument could be made about anything new, medicines, technology, food products, etc. But according to some we are already seeing the effects in the form of numerous loved ones and acquaintances dying (with little to no proof). Which is it vax death now or vax death later? Pick one. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I always love the "I took the vaccine and nothing happened to me" The negative effects of Asbestos, Agent Orange and Thalidomide were not known immediately either. Which is it vax death now or vax death later? Pick one. Well , it's more of a spectrum. Depends on the condition of the individual. They might have no comorbidities but be up to the borderline on some/somethings. They may have several comorbidities. Depends on the number of shots , the number of infections . Lifestyle. Like I said earlier in this thread , people with diabetes or hypertension already have a low grade inflammation in their endothelium and concurrent damage . Their reservoir of health is going to be a lot less . The spike protein is going to accelerate that damage . * and that's just the spike protein . Next discuss procuring a crapload of useless antibodies...resulting antibody antibodies ...reduced T-cell response and then cancer . ** then you have the autoimmune issues of self attacking self |
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Posted: 10/19/2023 8:43:16 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So you are going to use UK data... You need to post more about how that chart was created...like does it include the: "3,287,404 visas granted in the year ending June 2023, 58% higher than the year ending June 2022." https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/immigration-system-statistics-year-ending-june-2023/summary-of-latest-statistics This would be 4% of their population based on the roughly 67.8 million they have now. That is 4 times the death rate of kung flu even in the US were we are the "epitome" (/s) of health.... Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: US mortality is still running in excess. If things worked right, we should be seeing a dip below expectations after 2 years of excess as the most frail have passed. But that isn’t what the data is showing. If 3% of those who got it have issues, that will be painful. If 10% do, that will be catastrophic. But people really suck in dealing with large numbers and math cause they think it has to be everyone. What about close to 0%? It’s not the vaccinated spiking the excess deaths. https://i.imgur.com/Tbc9hWl.png So you are going to use UK data... You need to post more about how that chart was created...like does it include the: "3,287,404 visas granted in the year ending June 2023, 58% higher than the year ending June 2022." https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/immigration-system-statistics-year-ending-june-2023/summary-of-latest-statistics This would be 4% of their population based on the roughly 67.8 million they have now. That is 4 times the death rate of kung flu even in the US were we are the "epitome" (/s) of health.... Is this part of an argument that people ARE actually dying in droves but they're being replaced by illegals to fudge the numbers? Is this a genuine contention? I saw it alluded to earlier but I thought it was a joke. Is this serious? |
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Posted: 10/19/2023 8:44:13 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: That same weak argument could be made about anything new, medicines, technology, food products, etc. But according to some we are already seeing the effects in the form of numerous loved ones and acquaintances dying (with little to no proof). Which is it vax death now or vax death later? Pick one. The bottom line seems to be that over 80% of people who choose to not take the experimental vaccine under emergency coverage and not FDA-approved will have mild to no symptoms and require no medical care. I like those odds and chose to not get the VAX. After getting COVID twice with extremely mild symptoms I am comfortable with my choice. You have the right to get as many experimental JABS as you want, good luck. |
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Posted: 10/19/2023 8:59:59 PM EDT
[#49]
 Vaccination v excess deaths, correlation study |
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Posted: 10/19/2023 9:01:22 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: That same weak argument could be made about anything new, medicines, technology, food products, etc. But according to some we are already seeing the effects in the form of numerous loved ones and acquaintances dying (with little to no proof). Which is it vax death now or vax death later? Pick one. The answer is get both. Some will have issues now, others later, and the rest might never have a problem. The Gov and big pharma lied about being "safe and effective" and then shit canned stuff that works like IVM and other drugs so the EUA could happen. If you think they give a shit about you over their wallet or stock holdings you are not paying attention. What ever makes them money they don't care, they cared so much the production of the jabs were tightly monitored for quality...oh wait: https://www.newsweek.com/saline-injected-instead-covid-vaccine-south-carolina-1605087 I should be dead 87 times over, was next to people fully jabbed that had kung flu sitting right next to me at work for hours. He had to go home sick, I had to go home due to "contact tracing" and got a few weeks on the street because I refused to bow to the Gov thugs and others pushing this shit. As an immunocompromised person taking high level of immune suppression drugs I should be dead....I even survived the severe winter of illness and death without seeing a doc for kung flu. Why only in March of 2020 did kung flu kill people, it was here back in the later half of 2019 proven with donated blood. Didn't see people keeling over dead until the Gov got involved, funny how that worked. They really got all the "rookie" numbers up when they told people to go home and almost die, come back when we can put on a vent and collect extra CARES ACT funds. Also funny how the death numbers were "corrected" a few times, always lower than what they had published for weeks. We found a compute glitch "ooppsies"... . Scaring the public and fear mongering, well the propaganda campaign worked.... congrats.Please show us where to get a FULLY FDA approved shot, you know with the pamphlet and show us the controlled environment the FDA approved shots came from. Don't show me a shot that is "equivalent but legally different" to the FDA approved one. |
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