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Posted: 9/16/2024 8:13:42 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Wow! With it’s remoteness and seclusion, I never would have thought it to attract liberals, especially not the LGBT crowd. Thanks for sharing. The fact that there's a rail line with Amtrak service straight up from Noo Yawhk Shitty into the heart of the state really didn't help things. |
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Posted: 9/16/2024 8:18:10 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Most places in NH within reasonable commuting distance to Boston will feel like northern Mass. Because they're full of massholes that invaded because the policies they voted for got too expensive. It is de facto northern Mass unless you're in an area with a lot of money. Then it's northern mass lite. But since they're not that good at critical thinking, they decided that they would then vote for all those policies in their new state and wonder why it all got so expensive. |
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Posted: 9/16/2024 8:31:06 AM EST
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Lots of liberals. Stay away from Burlington. Guns laws, last I checked, were pretty good.
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Posted: 9/16/2024 8:37:52 AM EST
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It's been a decade since I've been there, but there was a coffee shop in Montpelier called Capital Grounds (right near the Capital building) where the walls were covered in framed newspaper articles about anti-American protests in Iran, and there's a shrine to the Ayatollah Khomeini in the back. It was a busy coffee shop, seemed full of state employees, but they all seemed fine with it.
I was also up there right after 9/11 and there was a big fight going on because Montpelier locals were fighting to keep Al Jazeera on cable TV after their local provider threatened to pull it. I was doing work all over the state for Green Mountain power. Native Vermonters outside Montpelier and Burlington seemed pretty conservative, but those two cities (Burlington in particular) are trying to be the San Fran and Austin of the east coast. |
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Posted: 9/16/2024 8:45:53 AM EST
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The state has vastly different "regions" But I can sum it up like this. Vermont is 10-15 years behind the rest of the USA in infrastructure and how people live.
Chittenden County is like a normal states "suburban sprawl" It is full of Lefties and immigrant/refugees in Burlington The NEK or Northeast Kingdom is what southern folks call "Gods Country" Its mostly republican but think old Bernie Sanders Independents. All the regions outside of Chittenden County are significantly poorer but crime is generally low and revolves around petty thefts for drug money (drugs are a big issue in vermont) Southern Vermont (south of Montpelier) doesn't have any of the draw that the NEK or Chittenden county has except for the fact that you are closer to Boston which is the only major city nearby. Weather is long winters, (November Until late April you are not doing much outside of ski or ice fish/ Mud Season) Summers are pleasant but a bit breezy to some Get used to stores closing at 6 PM, only have 1 option at the 1 grocery store kind of stuff. Its very Peaceful and Pretty especially in the fall, but if you enjoy Modern Living it may not be for you. |
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Posted: 9/16/2024 8:48:03 AM EST
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Ohh man, this thread has taken the wind out of my sails. I really didn’t expect it to be such a huge leap in culture being that both VT and NH are so wooded and remote. Can’t say I’m all that excited for either at the moment.
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Posted: 9/16/2024 8:50:56 AM EST
[#7]
Sent you a PM as a recent NH transplant from TX
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Posted: 9/16/2024 8:51:50 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's turned into a liberal cesspool thanks to Burlington and Montpelier. |
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Posted: 9/16/2024 9:02:06 AM EST
[#9]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Looking around Manchester area now. Manchester, NH? I live there. I am not on the forum as much but feel free to message me if you need any answers. Manchester has ups and downs and you need to be aware of the area you're looking in. |
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Posted: 9/16/2024 9:02:28 AM EST
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In 2020, I was in a Tractor Supply in VT, talking with the salesman. Politics came up and he mentioned he was a "moderate conservative, like Bernie Sanders".
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Posted: 9/16/2024 9:42:27 AM EST
[#11]
it's a 100% lib run shitshow
go to NH in the very least..... |
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Posted: 9/16/2024 9:45:33 AM EST
[#12]
It’s not New Hampshire but it’s not bad.
New Hampshire is much much much better, even with the Massholes |
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Posted: 9/16/2024 9:47:53 AM EST
[#13]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Looking around Manchester area now. If you move to Manchester NH, try to live in Bedford. Become good friends with the guys at Castro’s Back Room (locations in Nashua, Manchester, and Concord). Join a gun club. Live life. It is beautiful. |
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Posted: 9/16/2024 9:53:09 AM EST
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Anyone mentioning Maine hasn't been paying attention. They've gone left, including on guns recently.
New Hampshire is a much safer bet. The whole masshole migration thing has been going on for decades, New Hampshire has yet to crack. Even slightly. |
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Posted: 9/16/2024 10:00:08 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I lived in Vermont for about a year, in 1975 or almost 50 years ago. Small town outside of Bennington called shaftsbury . Very primitive up in there, hard winters and decent people. I was up in the green mountain national forest. I liked it quite a bit. Now? I've only traveled through a few times and it always reminds me of Austin or Boulder CO……it seems to have become a liberal mecca and tons of LGBTQ shit going on….for whatever that's worth. I lived in Bennington for about five years until 2019, Shaftsbury is pretty decent and you have a VT State Police barracks there, and the Bennington PD police chief lives around there, so not so bad. Bennington is a tourist town that has a lot of issues with drugs. One of the two colleges folded a couple of years ago. The local hospital is actually quite good for a rural hospital, and St. Peters, Albany Med, and Samaritan are about an hour away as is Bay State in Mass. The PD in Bennington does a pretty good job of keeping the town visitable and relatively safe, but they are constantly dealing with drug use among locals, drug trafficking through the area, low owner occupised residences with all the NYC/CT money snapping up properties as second homes leaving a lot of residents renting and not having strong roots in the community with a vested interest in its status. My buddies and attorneys lives in Shaftsbury. Was telling me VT recently went to a three day waiting period for all firearms purchases, and private sales were outlawed about six years ago when some kid threatened a school shooting (which he was never prosecuted for) and led to the ban on private sales, 10 round rifle mags and 15 round pistol mags. Still no permit required to carry. Machine guns, suppressors, SBR's, etc are legal. |
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Posted: 9/16/2024 10:44:51 AM EST
[#16]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Anything south of Franconia Notch is Massachusetts, and even then there are blue pockets. There are a sea of Harris Walz and other liberal signs in my area west of Lincoln. North of Franconia Notch while avoiding Franconia, Bethlehem, and Sugar Hill is the place to be for me. |
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Posted: 9/16/2024 10:51:21 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Have you read the responses in this thread? Seems like you're the only one that thinks VT isn't circling the drain. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Where do you see this? I don't see any of that and I live here lol Have you read the responses in this thread? Seems like you're the only one that thinks VT isn't circling the drain. Yes it is circling the drain, but he replied to a specific post of yours. I'm in Vermont a couple times a week and don't see any of that shit. |
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Posted: 9/16/2024 11:01:12 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It is not just the cities. It is the entire state. Hippies and gays moved here because of the libertarian tradition of "you don't bother me, I don't bother you." That started transplants coming from all over, and have taken over the entire state. Just look at the legislature. There is a Democrat/Progressive supermajority, and almost all are from big east coast cities who came because they wanted the rural simple life and fucked it up with their urban liberal policies. Covid transplants made it even worse. |
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Posted: 9/16/2024 11:12:50 AM EST
[#19]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The fact that there's a rail line with Amtrak service straight up from Noo Yawhk Shitty into the heart of the state really didn't help things. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Wow! With it’s remoteness and seclusion, I never would have thought it to attract liberals, especially not the LGBT crowd. Thanks for sharing. The fact that there's a rail line with Amtrak service straight up from Noo Yawhk Shitty into the heart of the state really didn't help things. No lie. It really ruined Rutland. The state putting all these junkie fuckheads up in every motel in the city magnified it even more. Luckily they are pretty behaved. Seems like the motel owners and the Rutland PD keep them corralled pretty good. The times I've had to go to any of those places for work they don't try and talk to or even look at you while you are there. Thankfully I live 45 min south of Rutland. Around here you could drive your truck around naked while drinking a beer with a shotgun on your lap and no one would notice or give a shit. This area has a lot of Ag, horses and hunters. No fkn snowmobile trails either thank God |
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Posted: 9/16/2024 11:29:23 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes it is circling the drain, but he replied to a specific post of yours. I'm in Vermont a couple times a week and don't see any of that shit. Oh Ok. Last time was about 2 years ago, from Troy NY to New Boston NH. Whatever route that is….Felt like I was in conservatively dressed Pride event every time I stopped. In VT defense it was a fall weekend which brings out the leafer tourists from NY and MA. Again though, so far in this tread there was you and the other guy who haven't seen "any of that shit" and about 30 other posters that have….maybe as tourists folks go to different places that attract the loonies? I don't know but all I can say it was nothing like when I lived there in the mid 1970's. |
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Posted: 9/16/2024 11:38:42 AM EST
[#21]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Thanks for sharing. I’m definitely going to look into NH also, we can live in either with my wife’s job. I’m from the lakes region of NH. Vermont is awesome, but ruined by politics. Go to NH; the further North, the better. |
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Posted: 9/16/2024 12:15:52 PM EST
[#22]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Ohh man, this thread has taken the wind out of my sails. I really didn’t expect it to be such a huge leap in culture being that both VT and NH are so wooded and remote. Can’t say I’m all that excited for either at the moment. You won’t know until you drive around. NH is literally the best place I’ve lived in, and I am from North Georgia. The people are among the best you will ever encounter, and they are more courteous and willing to help than any group of Southerners. Forested, hilly, clean air and water, and autumns are spectacular. Hell, every season is spectacular with the exceptions of mud season and black fly season. |
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Posted: 9/16/2024 12:38:32 PM EST
[#23]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Wow! With it's remoteness and seclusion, I never would have thought it to attract liberals, especially not the LGBT crowd. Thanks for sharing. |
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Posted: 9/16/2024 12:51:41 PM EST
[#24]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You won’t know until you drive around. NH is literally the best place I’ve lived in, and I am from North Georgia. The people are among the best you will ever encounter, and they are more courteous and willing to help than any group of Southerners. Forested, hilly, clean air and water, and autumns are spectacular. Hell, every season is spectacular with the exceptions of mud season and black fly season. How are you liking NC? |
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Posted: 9/16/2024 1:29:08 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Oh Ok. Last time was about 2 years ago, from Troy NY to New Boston NH. Whatever route that is….Felt like I was in conservatively dressed Pride event every time I stopped. In VT defense it was a fall weekend which brings out the leafer tourists from NY and MA. Again though, so far in this tread there was you and the other guy who haven't seen "any of that shit" and about 30 other posters that have….maybe as tourists folks go to different places that attract the loonies? I don't know but all I can say it was nothing like when I lived there in the mid 1970's. The two most likely routes pretty much take you through libtard and vacationing libtard central. Which I think is the case with a lot of the comments. The tourist areas/ski mountains and cities are like a completely different world. Those areas pretty much don't exist to us. We have no reason to go anywhere near them. I do agree the cities have gotten stupid in the lastfew years. Lot's of folks moved up during covid. Many have gone home now or moved again as they flat out don't fit in. I also agree the taxes have gotten a bit higher. Damn near 5k this year for property tax on 55 acres with a house, shop, hay barn and horse barn. Pre covid we were paying that on twice the acerage for the other house. As far as weather goes. Less than a mile can mean the difference between 4" and 40" of snow and 28 degrees and 12 degrees here. I'm sure NH is the same way. DO YOUR HOMEWORK no matter where you wind up looking. A major clue will be the mail boxes/posts. Normal from home depot type posts good to go. Some crazy home made shit 8' back from the road 5' tall cantilevered toward the road. Look out you better love snow. |
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Posted: 9/16/2024 2:03:12 PM EST
[#26]
Grew up in Vermont. It was ok back in the 80-90's. I left in 2008 and still can't find a single reason to go back.
I guess if you want to retire and be a hermit and not have access to much without a 2+ hour round trip of driving . It would be ok. Hope you like heroin addicts and New Yorkers. |
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Posted: 9/16/2024 2:06:19 PM EST
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Grew up in Vermont. It was ok back in the 80-90's. I left in 2008 and still can't find a single reason to go back. Lol, this seems to be a common feeling. Outside of the pretty fall weather, it’s boring, expensive and almost no job market. Seems to mostly survive off of tourism. |
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Posted: 9/16/2024 2:48:28 PM EST
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Lol, this seems to be a common feeling. Outside of the pretty fall weather, it's boring, expensive and almost no job market. Seems to mostly survive off of tourism. |
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Posted: 9/16/2024 2:53:18 PM EST
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Lol, this seems to be a common feeling. Outside of the pretty fall weather, it’s boring, expensive and almost no job market. Seems to mostly survive off of tourism. Tourist areas and cities are what they are. The rest of the state is Ag, logging, marble, slate and sugaring. |
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Posted: 9/16/2024 2:55:07 PM EST
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yep Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: It is not just the cities. It is the entire state. Hippies and gays moved here because of the libertarian tradition of "you don't bother me, I don't bother you." That started transplants coming from all over, and have taken over the entire state. Just look at the legislature. There is a Democrat/Progressive supermajority, and almost all are from big east coast cities who came because they wanted the rural simple life and fucked it up with their urban liberal policies. Covid transplants made it even worse. seconded |
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Posted: 9/16/2024 2:55:11 PM EST
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Rural Virginia is pretty similar to Vermont. Easier winters, same summers and humidity. Short trip to the ocean, good variety of food. If I ever leave VT I'd probably head to West Virginia, Eastern Kentucky area |
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Posted: 9/16/2024 3:05:08 PM EST
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Anyone mentioning Maine hasn't been paying attention. They've gone left, including on guns recently. New Hampshire is a much safer bet. The whole masshole migration thing has been going on for decades, New Hampshire has yet to crack. Even slightly. Depends on Maine , left leaning .. right leaning .... if you want to be left alone .. You can still pretty much disappear up there if you have a bit of cash to buy some acreage in northern Maine . Hell you can build a entire home off grid and be left alone |
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Posted: 9/16/2024 4:14:12 PM EST
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: North of Franconia Notch while avoiding Franconia, Bethlehem, and Sugar Hill is the place to be for me. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Anything south of Franconia Notch is Massachusetts, and even then there are blue pockets. There are a sea of Harris Walz and other liberal signs in my area west of Lincoln. North of Franconia Notch while avoiding Franconia, Bethlehem, and Sugar Hill is the place to be for me. ...and Easton. |
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Posted: 9/16/2024 4:51:22 PM EST
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: How are you liking NC? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: You won’t know until you drive around. NH is literally the best place I’ve lived in, and I am from North Georgia. The people are among the best you will ever encounter, and they are more courteous and willing to help than any group of Southerners. Forested, hilly, clean air and water, and autumns are spectacular. Hell, every season is spectacular with the exceptions of mud season and black fly season. How are you liking NC? I like it fine enough, but I live in the piedmont part of NC. If I lived in the mountains, it would be a different story. |
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Posted: 9/16/2024 4:53:55 PM EST
[#35]
I want to mention that you should look at the tax rates of the towns you are considering. In NH, towns have their taxes which cover schools, roads, and the like. NH's structure, which makes most decisions local, can be a good thing and a bad thing. Bedford did not have bad taxes. New Ipswich didn't but now does.
NH tax rates |
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Posted: 9/16/2024 5:38:03 PM EST
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I want to mention that you should look at the tax rates of the towns you are considering. In NH, towns have their taxes which cover schools, roads, and the like. NH's structure, which makes most decisions local, can be a good thing and a bad thing. Bedford did not have bad taxes. New Ipswich didn't but now does. NH tax rates To be quite honest, this thread has been such an eye opener for me, I’m not so sure the NE is for my family. Sounds like I should visit, but not live there. Just too expensive, cold and liberal. I’ve lived in TX for 42 years, and not sure I’d wanna spend the later years in life with 6-7 months of harsh winter. This has been a valuable thread of information. |
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Posted: 9/16/2024 5:44:47 PM EST
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I want to mention that you should look at the tax rates of the towns you are considering. In NH, towns have their taxes which cover schools, roads, and the like. NH's structure, which makes most decisions local, can be a good thing and a bad thing. Bedford did not have bad taxes. New Ipswich didn't but now does. NH tax rates +1 Things are hyper localized in NH. Here is another unofficial site with a map as well. https://joeshimkus.com/NH-Tax-Rates-2023.aspx **************************************** A warning that the tax rate doesn't tell the whole story. Some lower rate towns assess high. Some higher rate towns assess low. Also, NH is going through it's five year revaulation look where many of the assessed values doubled-corresponding tax rates of course got cut in half. As NH is decentralized as heck, not all the towns do it on the same year.  Also, there are a few ways to mitigate the tax paid. Especially for landowners who own parcels with at least 10 unimproved acres and use the Current Use program. |
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Posted: 9/16/2024 5:46:22 PM EST
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: To be quite honest, this thread has been such an eye opener for me, I’m not so sure the NE is for my family. Sounds like I should visit, but not live there. Just too expensive, cold and liberal. I’ve lived in TX for 42 years, and not sure I’d wanna spend the later years in life with 6-7 months of harsh winter. This has been a valuable thread of information. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I want to mention that you should look at the tax rates of the towns you are considering. In NH, towns have their taxes which cover schools, roads, and the like. NH's structure, which makes most decisions local, can be a good thing and a bad thing. Bedford did not have bad taxes. New Ipswich didn't but now does. NH tax rates To be quite honest, this thread has been such an eye opener for me, I’m not so sure the NE is for my family. Sounds like I should visit, but not live there. Just too expensive, cold and liberal. I’ve lived in TX for 42 years, and not sure I’d wanna spend the later years in life with 6-7 months of harsh winter. This has been a valuable thread of information. You really gotta enjoy winter to live here. And I don't so I want to leave.
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Posted: 9/16/2024 5:49:18 PM EST
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: To be quite honest, this thread has been such an eye opener for me, I'm not so sure the NE is for my family. Sounds like I should visit, but not live there. Just too expensive, cold and liberal. I've lived in TX for 42 years, and not sure I'd wanna spend the later years in life with 6-7 months of harsh winter. This has been a valuable thread of information. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I want to mention that you should look at the tax rates of the towns you are considering. In NH, towns have their taxes which cover schools, roads, and the like. NH's structure, which makes most decisions local, can be a good thing and a bad thing. Bedford did not have bad taxes. New Ipswich didn't but now does. NH tax rates To be quite honest, this thread has been such an eye opener for me, I'm not so sure the NE is for my family. Sounds like I should visit, but not live there. Just too expensive, cold and liberal. I've lived in TX for 42 years, and not sure I'd wanna spend the later years in life with 6-7 months of harsh winter. This has been a valuable thread of information. Go with that instinct. If you aren't sure then it's not for you. The long winters are hard to get used to if you are coming from the south. |
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Posted: 9/16/2024 5:51:27 PM EST
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: To be quite honest, this thread has been such an eye opener for me, I’m not so sure the NE is for my family. Sounds like I should visit, but not live there. Just too expensive, cold and liberal. I’ve lived in TX for 42 years, and not sure I’d wanna spend the later years in life with 6-7 months of harsh winter. This has been a valuable thread of information. I've lived in a bunch of different states including TX. You won't find me moving out of NH until the ME scoops my bones out of the toilet I melted into. Arguably the best gun laws, super low crime, and it often comes up as #1 for lowest tax burden. I like the weather and the work that goes into living here though. Self sufficiency is a big thing here. |
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Posted: 9/16/2024 5:52:06 PM EST
[#41]
It's a liberal welfare state.
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Posted: 9/16/2024 5:52:29 PM EST
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Go with that instinct. If you aren't sure then it's not for you. yep |
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Posted: 9/16/2024 7:21:52 PM EST
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: To be quite honest, this thread has been such an eye opener for me, I’m not so sure the NE is for my family. Sounds like I should visit, but not live there. Just too expensive, cold and liberal. I’ve lived in TX for 42 years, and not sure I’d wanna spend the later years in life with 6-7 months of harsh winter. This has been a valuable thread of information. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I want to mention that you should look at the tax rates of the towns you are considering. In NH, towns have their taxes which cover schools, roads, and the like. NH's structure, which makes most decisions local, can be a good thing and a bad thing. Bedford did not have bad taxes. New Ipswich didn't but now does. NH tax rates To be quite honest, this thread has been such an eye opener for me, I’m not so sure the NE is for my family. Sounds like I should visit, but not live there. Just too expensive, cold and liberal. I’ve lived in TX for 42 years, and not sure I’d wanna spend the later years in life with 6-7 months of harsh winter. This has been a valuable thread of information. One of the best things in the world is sitting out in your garage listening to the snow fall while smoking a cigar and drinking a fine rum. The sound of snow falling is one of the most peaceful sounds in the world. Then, when you're all cold, you go inside and stand next to your wood burning stove to warm up. Then, when you get too hot because your wife likes the house to be 80+ degrees, you put on a t-shirt, shorts, and your boots, and then go outside and stand in the wind and falling snow to cool off. The sound of snowflakes hissing as they land on your 200 degree arms is also peaceful. |
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Posted: 9/16/2024 7:24:10 PM EST
[#44]
Beautiful place populated by granolas, and it snows. I’d pass.
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Posted: 9/16/2024 7:49:10 PM EST
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: One of the best things in the world is sitting out in your garage listening to the snow fall while smoking a cigar and drinking a fine rum. The sound of snow falling is one of the most peaceful sounds in the world. Then, when you're all cold, you go inside and stand next to your wood burning stove to warm up. Then, when you get too hot because your wife likes the house to be 80+ degrees, you put on a t-shirt, shorts, and your boots, and then go outside and stand in the wind and falling snow to cool off. The sound of snowflakes hissing as they land on your 200 degree arms is also peaceful. Jesus dude, shut up. I can only get so erect. God I can't fucking wait for winter. |
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Posted: 9/16/2024 7:52:26 PM EST
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I keep browsing properties in the North East. These are in Maine, and compared to Utah are incredibly cheap. Properties like this in Utah would be $2million+.
340k https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/170-North-Rd-Harmony-ME-04942/347360450_zpid/ 235k https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/235-Burton-Rd-Houlton-ME-04730/423493011_zpid/ A quarter acre lot to build on cost as much as these places in my city. |
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Posted: 9/16/2024 7:52:57 PM EST
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: One of the best things in the world is sitting out in your garage listening to the snow fall while smoking a cigar and drinking a fine rum. The sound of snow falling is one of the most peaceful sounds in the world. Then, when you're all cold, you go inside and stand next to your wood burning stove to warm up. Then, when you get too hot because your wife likes the house to be 80+ degrees, you put on a t-shirt, shorts, and your boots, and then go outside and stand in the wind and falling snow to cool off. The sound of snowflakes hissing as they land on your 200 degree arms is also peaceful. That does paint a very inviting picture. How long have you been there, are you planning on staying till the end? |
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Posted: 9/16/2024 7:59:14 PM EST
[#48]
Vermont is the North Korea of America.
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Posted: 9/16/2024 8:05:37 PM EST
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Vermont is the North Korea of America. I definitely get the feeling that it’s a love it, or hate it kinda place. |
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Posted: 9/16/2024 8:11:18 PM EST
[#50]
Op, when pondering the east coast it's best to stay south of the Mason/ Dixon line. That's no guarantee anymore as Va, NC, MD and GA are all infected but anything north of it is sure to be a shit sandwich.
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