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Posted: 2/21/2019 3:34:12 PM EST
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But bottom line is they are still making money.... and are very comfortable. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Ummm, they make less money than they would have? They have less money to give to people trying to destroy the second amendment? My bottom line is they are not making as much and none of it is coming from me. |
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Posted: 2/21/2019 3:34:58 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Did S&W make as much money as they could have if they didn't take the stance they did? It took them years to recover. Has Dick's made as much money as they could have if they didn't go anti-gun? They used to be a major player. Not anymore. Will this action cost Benchmade money? Most certainly. Your view that it's not going to put them out of business so I'll just laugh and make snide remarks from the sideline is ignorant. But hey, you be you. Ignorance once again. Retail in general, and outdoor products specifically, run on thin margins. |
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Posted: 2/21/2019 3:35:19 PM EST
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What if I told you you can be a Democrat and pro-2A *minds blown* Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Those who partake in the social media stuff should really chime in that Benchmade owners financially support Democrat politicians/policies. The company looks to be Anti-2nd Amendment for citizens while trying to portray themselves as pro-Gun. At this point, it looks like they are Pro-Statist and Pro-Democrat. Freedom and Liberty is not their gig, which sucks because that's my gig. They can go get fucked. Martin Heinrich (D-NM), is unquestionably anti-gun. He, along with Mark Udall, sponsored the federal universal background check bill in the Senate. Ron Wyden (D-OR) isn't any better on the Second Amendment. He's supported UBCs and magazine capacity limits, as well as allowing lawsuits against firearm makers when guns that had been sold legally are later used in crimes. |
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Posted: 2/21/2019 3:35:42 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: But bottom line is they are still making money.... and are very comfortable. Tomkins owned S&W. Paid 112 million dollars for it. Made a single dumb agreement with Cuomo and Clinton. Gun owners were notified (NRA was primary on this) and Tomkins ended up selling S&W to Saf-T-Hammer for pennies on the dollar. Tomkins lost (not made, LOST) 67 million real dollars in about a year. Their company was purchased from them by a Canadian concern shortly afterward. I can't lay it out any more simply and yet I'd be willing to bet you still aren't capable of simply saying "er, ok...I was wrong." |
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Posted: 2/21/2019 3:36:15 PM EST
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He gone, Jim. 
Too late for the gang bang. Just in time for the mop up. |
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Posted: 2/21/2019 3:36:47 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No, they aren't. Tomkins owned S&W. Paid 112 million dollars for it. Made a single dumb agreement with Cuomo and Clinton. Gun owners were notified (NRA was primary on this) and Tomkins ended up selling S&W to Saf-T-Hammer for pennies on the dollar. Tomkins lost (not made, LOST) 67 million real dollars in about a year. Their company was purchased from them by a Canadian concern shortly afterward. I can't lay it out any more simply and yet I'd be willing to bet you still aren't capable of simply saying "er, ok...I was wrong." |
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Posted: 2/21/2019 3:37:13 PM EST
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There are a couple of important differences that have already been spelled out in this thread. 1) Benchmade pretends to support the 2A while actively doing the opposite. 2) Benchmade competes in a market in which there are many alternatives. This isn't a big tech scenario where there are two left-ish companies to choose between. There are dozens of neutral entities, and there appear to be several actively pro-2A knife manufacturers. So why defend or consider doing business with one that's hostile? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Problem isn't the gun stunt, it's the tens of thousands of dollars to D gun grabbers exclusively. That and lying and posting they don't do that. gun scum benchmade send 10k to It's pretty much impossible to get through life by boycotting every company that goes against conservative beliefs, because conservatives and the beliefs they hold are in the clear minority in this nation. Quoted: Step away from the gun destruction thing for just a moment. Are you going to acknowledge that Benchmade actively and exclusively supports anti-gun politicians? That's the bigger problem here. 1) Benchmade pretends to support the 2A while actively doing the opposite. 2) Benchmade competes in a market in which there are many alternatives. This isn't a big tech scenario where there are two left-ish companies to choose between. There are dozens of neutral entities, and there appear to be several actively pro-2A knife manufacturers. So why defend or consider doing business with one that's hostile? |
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Posted: 2/21/2019 3:39:04 PM EST
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Look at this genius.
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Posted: 2/21/2019 3:39:35 PM EST
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Just ordered two Kershaw's today in support of this thread.
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Posted: 2/21/2019 3:39:56 PM EST
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Yes, but they donated to anti guns Democrats too. Martin Heinrich (D-NM), is unquestionably anti-gun. He, along with Mark Udall, sponsored the federal universal background check bill in the Senate. Ron Wyden (D-OR) isn't any better on the Second Amendment. He's supported UBCs and magazine capacity limits, as well as allowing lawsuits against firearm makers when guns that had been sold legally are later used in crimes. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Those who partake in the social media stuff should really chime in that Benchmade owners financially support Democrat politicians/policies. The company looks to be Anti-2nd Amendment for citizens while trying to portray themselves as pro-Gun. At this point, it looks like they are Pro-Statist and Pro-Democrat. Freedom and Liberty is not their gig, which sucks because that's my gig. They can go get fucked. Martin Heinrich (D-NM), is unquestionably anti-gun. He, along with Mark Udall, sponsored the federal universal background check bill in the Senate. Ron Wyden (D-OR) isn't any better on the Second Amendment. He's supported UBCs and magazine capacity limits, as well as allowing lawsuits against firearm makers when guns that had been sold legally are later used in crimes.  Attached File |
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Posted: 2/21/2019 3:40:04 PM EST
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Look. I think Benchmade fucked up here, and they probably won't see another dime from me (which sucks, because I am a HUGE Axis lock fan.  ). But destroy something for which I paid good money, because they did something with which I don't agree? Why? The knives are still pretty damn fantastic. They cut wonderfully. They lock up nice. They function great. I'd much rather make Benchmade support this knife (Lifesharp. They clean, oil, adjust and sharpen) on THEIR dime, for the life of the knife.That's far better than "WOOOOHOOOOO, IMMA BLOW UP MY YETI CAUSE FUCK THEM IN THEIR ASSES!" "MAH BITCHMADE KNIFE? FUCKIT! ANGLEGRINDER!" But hey, y'all go ahead. The next year, BM released a virtually identical "FREEK" knife, the only apparent differences being a two-tone handle and possibly a different steal. Steel. Meant to say steel. Would never imply they cut Doug out of the loop and made his knife for themselves. Course some of the profits on the old knife went to support Doug's Equipped to Survive site. Nothin personal. It's just business. Anyway, you can now buy the axis style lock through Hogue, including This beauty So a couple of symbolic BM grindings were probably apropos. Now is the time to maybe sell off the unwanted orphans, or simply switch brands for future purchases. |
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Posted: 2/21/2019 3:40:33 PM EST
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That is your bottom line. My bottom line is they are not making as much and none of it is coming from me. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Ummm, they make less money than they would have? They have less money to give to people trying to destroy the second amendment? My bottom line is they are not making as much and none of it is coming from me. I then went to another dealer and bought the same car a little over invoice. That salesman, like Benchmade, was not the only game in town. |
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Posted: 2/21/2019 3:42:18 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: mojeb reminds me of a car salesman I dealt with once. Wouldn't even come off of sticker price for his car. When I got up to leave he said "Somebody will buy that car at that price." I just said "Maybe, but it won't be me." I then went to another dealer and bought the same car a little over invoice. That salesman, like Benchmade, was not the only game in town. |
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Posted: 2/21/2019 3:44:00 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: And I’m sure someone did buy that car.... 
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Posted: 2/21/2019 3:44:07 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Is Kamala Harris anti gun? https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/463094/9AA28B57-D577-414F-BFEB-103C530FDF9A_png-853133.JPG 
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Posted: 2/21/2019 3:44:57 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: maybe, but that car lot is out of business. |
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Posted: 2/21/2019 3:46:03 PM EST
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Quote HistoryLate to the party. Who is that?
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Posted: 2/21/2019 3:46:23 PM EST
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Is Trump's official policy to not make political donations? https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/124978/BM-853136.png Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Is Kamala Harris anti gun? https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/463094/9AA28B57-D577-414F-BFEB-103C530FDF9A_png-853133.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/124978/BM-853136.png 
ETA: you hear that folks, we can only be mad at some one donating to anti gunners if they had a policy in place that says not to do so. |
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Posted: 2/21/2019 3:47:32 PM EST
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Late to the party. Who is that? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 2/21/2019 3:48:04 PM EST
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Is Kamala Harris anti gun? https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/463094/9AA28B57-D577-414F-BFEB-103C530FDF9A_png-853133.JPG If only, if only... 
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Posted: 2/21/2019 3:50:16 PM EST
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Quote HistoryOur president is a member on bladeforums?
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Posted: 2/21/2019 3:50:26 PM EST
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Benchmade spokesman Matt was just on KXL - Lars Larson's show saying that BM will no longer destroy firearms for the OC police.
He said they didn't think there would be such a strong reaction. 
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Posted: 2/21/2019 3:51:38 PM EST
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I’m done with them. They probably wish they hadn’t done it, but it’s too late for that. Plenty of other options.
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Posted: 2/21/2019 3:51:39 PM EST
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Benchmade has the best customer service and makes a great knife. I have an apple phone an I am pretty sure apple gives to the dem party My local pd cuts up crime guns if no owner can be found- Doesnt mean I throw my local pd under the bus. Ask benchmade to make some better choices and make them an ally and not an enemy . They probably would be more receptive than any of the other thousands of companies that make poor decisions. Bought 3 competitors knives in the last 14 hours. Oregon leftists. Sell knives to Antifa you commies. |
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Posted: 2/21/2019 3:52:44 PM EST
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Benchmade spokesman Matt was just on KXL - Lars Larson's show saying that BM will no longer destroy firearms for the OC police. He said they didn't think there would be such a strong reaction. |
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Posted: 2/21/2019 3:54:58 PM EST
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Their company, their choice.
My money, my choice. Not one thin dime to Benchmade. 
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Posted: 2/21/2019 3:55:14 PM EST
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Posted: 2/21/2019 3:55:41 PM EST
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People that buy knives like Benchmades absolutely buy used knives. Bladeforums has a VERY active EE section. I’ve been a member there since 2010 and have bought more than 20 knives second hand from there. The secondhand knife market is big. |
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Posted: 2/21/2019 3:55:47 PM EST
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I am guessing there was no mention of the donations? #Bitchmade |
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Posted: 2/21/2019 3:56:08 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I think we simply assumed it considering that their product is mainly used by outdoorsmen, hunters, and regular shooters. And the majority of folks with these activities/hobbies are very pro 2A. One of the reasons why their donations were barely found out. |
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Posted: 2/21/2019 3:56:13 PM EST
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I bet their PR department is loosing their minds right now. |
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Posted: 2/21/2019 3:56:57 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Same here. There is a blades section on the EE here too.... 
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Posted: 2/21/2019 3:58:17 PM EST
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Benchmade spokesman Matt was just on KXL - Lars Larson's show saying that BM will no longer destroy firearms for the OC police. He said they didn't think there would be such a strong reaction. 
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Posted: 2/21/2019 3:58:23 PM EST
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So the logic here is that, it’s not the fact that they both donated to anti gun politicians. It’s the fact one of them had a policy not to
ETA: you hear that folks, we can only be mad at some one donating to anti gunners if they had a policy in place that says not to do so. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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ETA: you hear that folks, we can only be mad at some one donating to anti gunners if they had a policy in place that says not to do so. |
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Posted: 2/21/2019 3:58:42 PM EST
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Maybe Benchmade will put out a special Dick's edition and a Field & Stream commemorative.
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Posted: 2/21/2019 3:59:46 PM EST
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Posted: 2/21/2019 4:04:41 PM EST
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The British owners of S&W lost money hand over fist and sold it at a loss to an American Company which ended agreements with the Clinton Administration's rules. |
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Posted: 2/21/2019 4:05:22 PM EST
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Don't be surprised if Benchmade doubles down. "Specialty equipment"
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Posted: 2/21/2019 4:05:44 PM EST
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I just saw this on Facebook. It ave me a chuckle.
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Posted: 2/21/2019 4:07:45 PM EST
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Dicks lost a tremendous amount of sportsman’s business, both gun and fishing. They stayed afloat because they are diversified in all other sports, baseball, basketball and soccer as well as others.
Can Benchmade say the same? Don’t think so. |
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Posted: 2/21/2019 4:09:36 PM EST
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Benchmade spokesman Matt was just on KXL - Lars Larson's show saying that BM will no longer destroy firearms for the OC police. He said they didn't think there would be such a strong reaction. https://i.imgur.com/S6Oazaj.png It's nice now that they've seen the backlash and they're not going to do it anymore, but their feet need to be held to the fire for their political contributions to rabidly anti-gun Democrats. |
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Posted: 2/21/2019 4:09:37 PM EST
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Maybe Benchmade will put out a special Dick's edition and a Field & Stream commemorative. |
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Posted: 2/21/2019 4:10:46 PM EST
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Dicks lost a tremendous amount of sportsman’s business, both gun and fishing. They stayed afloat because they are diversified in all other sports, baseball, basketball and soccer as well as others. Can Benchmade say the same? Don’t think so. |
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Posted: 2/21/2019 4:10:50 PM EST
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Dicks lost a tremendous amount of sportsman’s business, both gun and fishing. They stayed afloat because they are diversified in all other sports, baseball, basketball and soccer as well as others. Can Benchmade say the same? Don’t think so. |
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Posted: 2/21/2019 4:11:24 PM EST
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I see no problem seamlessly integrating from BM to Cold Steel or Zero Tolerance.
FBM! FHRC FBHO |
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Posted: 2/21/2019 4:11:58 PM EST
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Do you have TBI? I don't buy knives from Trump. You don't have a problem with a purportedly pro 2a company deceiving its customers by saying that they don't make campaign donations to anyone and in secret donating to antigun national politicians? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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ETA: you hear that folks, we can only be mad at some one donating to anti gunners if they had a policy in place that says not to do so.
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Posted: 2/21/2019 4:13:40 PM EST
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No, they aren't. Tomkins owned S&W. Paid 112 million dollars for it. Made a single dumb agreement with Cuomo and Clinton. Gun owners were notified (NRA was primary on this) and Tomkins ended up selling S&W to Saf-T-Hammer for pennies on the dollar. Tomkins lost (not made, LOST) 67 million real dollars in about a year. Their company was purchased from them by a Canadian concern shortly afterward. I can't lay it out any more simply and yet I'd be willing to bet you still aren't capable of simply saying "er, ok...I was wrong." Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: But bottom line is they are still making money.... and are very comfortable. Tomkins owned S&W. Paid 112 million dollars for it. Made a single dumb agreement with Cuomo and Clinton. Gun owners were notified (NRA was primary on this) and Tomkins ended up selling S&W to Saf-T-Hammer for pennies on the dollar. Tomkins lost (not made, LOST) 67 million real dollars in about a year. Their company was purchased from them by a Canadian concern shortly afterward. I can't lay it out any more simply and yet I'd be willing to bet you still aren't capable of simply saying "er, ok...I was wrong." |
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Posted: 2/21/2019 4:15:31 PM EST
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Did you ever think that maybe not all their customers are Pro 2a? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Dicks lost a tremendous amount of sportsman’s business, both gun and fishing. They stayed afloat because they are diversified in all other sports, baseball, basketball and soccer as well as others. Can Benchmade say the same? Don’t think so. |
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Posted: 2/21/2019 4:16:09 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Obviously. So let their non 2nd amendment supporters support them. Lol I want them to go under! Figure $50 avg price of a knife, at least 1000 posters here who won't buy from them anymore. That's 50g's! |
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Posted: 2/21/2019 4:16:54 PM EST
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Damn. Screw Benchmade. Glad my EDC is a strong 2A supporter. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/421435/D77263F4-DB70-48A9-AEE5-C101D3FD4970_jpeg-852797.JPG |
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