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Some people need to read up on WWI occupations of Eastern Europe and France. The actions taken against partisan forces in WWII were in keeping with prior standards, and while still completely fucking insane, were more or less similar to the same atrocities that no one batted an eye over in WWI. That's a big reason for stories such as this one. These guys are likely still assholes though, but there was a such thing as good Germans in WWII that still fought against the allies.


Anyone who doesn't appreciate the sacrifices that were made, by all combatants and non-combatants, in that war are using the same broad brush that they accuse their enemies of labeling all of humanity with. Many Germans, Russians, Americans, Japanese, British, etc soldiers fought hard and struggled to maintain their own humanity despite being surrounded by so much inhumanity. The real victory isn't in marching down some other country's streets, but in remaining a decent human being despite the strains placed upon you by a chain of command that just cares about getting what it wants, regardless of right and wrong. And that's the story of every war ever. Good guys versus assholes, regardless of whatever 'side' they're on.

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The US government brought thousands of ex-nazi soldiers and scientists to work for them and as citizens. They smuggled thousands more to South America where many still live. Look up Odessa, you will be quite surprised how OK our govt was with them.

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You guys are amazing. You question nothing. Your whole lives and world view based on a narrative. A 70 year old narrative, driven by the greatest propaganda machines of all time that have had their hands in shaping your mind since birth.  A narrative which is completely one sided. A narrative which if challenged by Germans would land them behind bars. Half the story erased. A people silenced by those who won the war.  A narrative you must believe to honor your fathers and grandfathers. What a thorough job has been done on your minds.

If you read any memoirs, you find that the young men were in fact in it to fight Bolshevism, the real evil. They were in it to defend their country, people and culture from the destruction it has since witnessed.

We won the war, welcomed the communists into our country and into Europe, and the cultural and moral decay we have today is a direct result of that. This disaster is much of what the Germans struggled to prevent.
 

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I still want to see evidence of a extermination camp, There were typhus outbreaks and large numbers of prisoners died as a result because of a lice problem in the camps.  I have seen the same pictures of emaciated prisoners but no evidence , orders, or anything confirming a plan to exterminate people. There were a lot more than just jews in those camps. Did you know  Auschwitz I was a military barracks used as a prison camp, had a swimming pool and theater where prisoners put on plays?

The prisoners were bald because their hair was shaved off, their clothes were taken and they were given a uniform on entry to the camp. The gas chambers were used to delouse the beds and prisoners clothing, that's what Zyklon  B was made for. cyanide -based pesticide. It was also used in the barracks buildings themselves.

We had the same problems with our own prison camps holding millions of germans after the war, same typhus outbreaks and large numbers of prisoners dead.  

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One major reason Hitler lost the war was because so much of his railroad rolling stock was tied up in transporting the Jews (and others) to the camps. Brand-new war materiel lay rusting on the loading docks because of this.

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This. The truth is hard for some to accept. I'm no fan of Nazi Germany , but I hate the Communists more.
My family immigrated from Poland, and had close relatives still there during and after the war.

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Ever read Stuka Pilot?  Rudel said when they crossed the border that first morning (the new border, in Poland, between what the Germans had captured and what the Russians had captured) the Russian tanks and trucks and soldiers were backed up for miles.  He believed the Russians were about to attack Germany and Germany just beat them to the punch.

I do not agree with what was done or condone it.  However, think about these days in the US.  How many of us will sit around some day and say we didn't see which direction things were going.  We were just following the orders of the officers.  We were just trying to get by in a bad situation.  Look at the way the governments (federal, state, local) are pressuring people with conservative and Christian beliefs.  Look at the way some people can get away with committing crimes, even violent crimes and the government, police and courts look the other way.  Where will it end?  What will you say, if you're still here to be asked.

Yes, my folks came over here from a part of Europe that is now in Germany in 1741.  My grandpa fought in WW1 (3rd US Inf. Div.), my dad spent 23 years in the USAF and I volunteered for 4 years in the US Army.  I don't have any hard feelings towards those old men.   I can't say the same thing about the folks today that claim to be Americans and yet work everyday to tear America down.

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The rank and file German soldiers were not the problem, many of them didn't know about the multiple atrocities committed by the SS buuuuuuut, many rank and file Germans were all to happy to gun down Allied POW's and surrendering soldiers so F 'em.

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Hitler wasn't the only person on Planet Earth who hated Jews.  'The Jews' were part of the whole political plan--the Final Solution.  Another important part of the FS was the coincidental destruction of Bolshevism and acquisition of new land for the expansion of Germany's [State-sponsored] anti-materialistic population.   Acting to get rid of the Jews--to clean their own house first--was part of the politics to get neighbors to stay off Germany's back until the Russian thing was over.  The idea of removal of the Jews--though planned from the get-go--was part of occupational appeasement plan as it turned out.  When Russia was defeated the idea was to take advantage of everyone's sigh of relief and talk about some sort of peace.  No, that's not non-narrative crazy talk.  War between the West and Germany was not nearly as desired as war between Bolshevism and the West.  Many rightfully saw war between Bolshevism and the West as inevitable.  Among nations, friends are the enemy of ones enemies.  Hatred of Germans--the process toward hatred of an enemy--happened like it usually does: when a nation wants to kill a nation back for being killed.  What drove the Germans to kill wantonly wasn't so much a thirst for blood as the necessity when one is so outnumbered but within reach of long-coveted and somewhat globally supported goals.  Killings are forgiven when the dead were universally hated end state is so pleasing to everyone.  Killings on this scale aren't done for bloodlust.  They are killed for a purpose and/or with an end state in mind.  

Were the American Indians going to willfully merge with whitey when we didn't want them to?  No?  Well, would the Indians have been able to stop other nations who coveted their resources, perhaps an enemy, from taking it and growing more powerful because of it, even if we had decided to do the "the right thing" and let them keep it because they had it first?  No?  Could we have ignored them and expected two wildly disparate people to live amongst each other in peace when one of those People didn't even have a notion of government?  Then what do we do?  What can we do?  In what direction does our need for preservation point?  Sadly, but surely and inevitably, we, [u]or any other nation[/u:] run them off or kill them, that's what.  

Sometimes objectivity forces us to look where we don't want to look.  

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I still want to see evidence of a extermination camp, There were typhus outbreaks and large numbers of prisoners died as a result because of a lice problem in the camps.  I have seen the same pictures of emaciated prisoners but no evidence , orders, or anything confirming a plan to exterminate people. There were a lot more than just jews in those camps. Did you know  Auschwitz I was a military barracks used as a prison camp, had a swimming pool and theater where prisoners put on plays?

The prisoners were bald because their hair was shaved off, their clothes were taken and they were given a uniform on entry to the camp. The gas chambers were used to delouse the beds and prisoners clothing, that's what Zyklon  B was made for. cyanide -based pesticide. It was also used in the barracks buildings themselves.

We had the same problems with our own prison camps holding millions of germans after the war, same typhus outbreaks and large numbers of prisoners dead.