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Posted: 7/2/2023 9:23:03 AM EDT
[#1]
they can moan and fight it and look bad in my opinion. or throw the guy a 250-400 dollar barrel. and a gas system.
im not sure what standard barrels cost. you can even put them in yourself with a barrel wrench and vice. i know match barrels used to be 400. something like that. its not a hard fix. and id put a quality match barrel in it at this point. it will shoot nice. good thing its easy to fix these. send those pics to Smith Enterprise. he will have a fit. that guy lives for the M14. the best there is. |
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Posted: 7/2/2023 9:25:23 AM EDT
[#2]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It's not Fudd lore, the water in the windex is what neutralizes the salts. This will be good enough for the range, once you get home, clean it accordingly.  The fud lore is that any ammonia in windex does anything to copper or salts. |
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Posted: 7/2/2023 9:25:26 AM EDT
[#3]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah @palmettostatearmory is in no hurry to enter this thread. My guess is they will sit this one out entirely rather than to take any responsibility. Sorry OP. Who knows what the resolution will be, but OP will eventually hear from PSA. Its a fucking holiday though.... No idea why you would even say that about PSA and their history here. |
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Posted: 7/2/2023 9:26:20 AM EDT
[#4]
That sucks.
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Posted: 7/2/2023 9:27:14 AM EDT
[#5]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Windex will rust the FUCK out of steel. Anything with ammonia is bad bad bad. I would suspect you cleaned the rifle with it prio or after based on the OP. Sorry man but his one is on you. I bet the rest of your stuff is propper fucked also. Even original Windex has almost no Ammonia in it (a fraction of a percent). There is far more in many of the popular copper solvents for bore cleaning. It’s mostly distilled water with some other ingredients to increase its soluble saturation point. Windex doesn’t “neutralize” anything. It simply dissolves and carries away the salt and comes in a convenient spray bottle to take to the range. I shoot a lot of corrosive-primed ammunition and regularly use Windex at the range. I hose every thing that came in contact with the powder residue (including gas systems and muzzle devices) with Windex until dripping wet. I then allow all parts to drip. This is what is carrying away the salt. I then runs patches through until dry and wipe down the bolt face and other areas with Windex. Normal cleaning when I get home. I have been doing this for years and never had a problem. |
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Posted: 7/2/2023 9:29:04 AM EDT
[#6]
one thing i hate in life is fuckin corrosive ammo. id rather hang out with democraps.
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Posted: 7/2/2023 9:29:18 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I mean if they said nothing that would be one thing....but they labeled it as non-corrosive. Do you clean all your weapons with windex every time you come home from the range? I clean my weapons every time I come home from the range with new unknown ammo. Once I had the same issue many years ago with an unknown ammo. I cleaned it after shooting it as I would any other rifle that shot non corrosive ammo. It turned out to be corrosive ammo which I did not know. So I discovered my barrel had some rusting in it. But since I had cleaned the rifle after shooting it was not as bad as your rifle and I was able to easily clean it up. |
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Posted: 7/2/2023 9:30:07 AM EDT
[#8]
Back in my younger days I bought a small green sardine can of 7.62 brass cased NATO.
It ruined the barrel of my M1A at the time. I had no idea it was corrosive, and it was European ammunition as far as I could tell. On another note I would shoot 7N6 quite often about 10 years back and by the time I would get home from the range rust would already be started. Corrosive ammo doesn't mess around. |
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Posted: 7/2/2023 9:31:30 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Even original Windex has almost no Ammonia in it (a fraction of a percent). There is far more in many of the popular copper solvents for bore cleaning. It’s mostly distilled water with some other ingredients to increase its soluble saturation point. Windex doesn’t “neutralize” anything. It simply dissolves and carries away the salt and comes in a convenient spray bottle to take to the range. I shoot a lot of corrosive-primed ammunition and regularly use Windex at the range. I hose every thing that came in contact with the powder residue (including gas systems and muzzle devices) with Windex until dripping wet. I then allow all parts to drip. This is what is carrying away the salt. I then runs patches through until dry and wipe down the bolt face and other areas with Windex. Normal cleaning when I get home. I have been doing this for years and never had a problem. Exactly. I think that Sweet’s is 5% ammonia. |
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Posted: 7/2/2023 9:31:50 AM EDT
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Do people really expect PSA to respond on a Sunday morning?
 Knowing PSA, they actually might, but everyone deserves a day off and I'm sure the reply will be "we'll look into it" or "get in touch with me and I'll see what we can do"- and that's reasonable and they'll probably do something to help the OP out.
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Posted: 7/2/2023 9:33:52 AM EDT
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corrosive ammo is shit. how could one even use it during war ?? when you cant just sit down and clean
after firing it. i refuse to touch that stuff for any reason. especially it may be a little cheaper. ill gladly pay up before buying corrosive at any price. |
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Posted: 7/2/2023 9:34:01 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The fud lore is that any ammonia in windex does anything to copper or salts. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: It's not Fudd lore, the water in the windex is what neutralizes the salts. This will be good enough for the range, once you get home, clean it accordingly. The fud lore is that any ammonia in windex does anything to copper or salts. |
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Posted: 7/2/2023 9:35:30 AM EDT
[#13]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I'd expect a new gun from PSA, or they're going to have to pay for a new barrel and the cost of replacement. As far as corrosive ammo, you don't even need warm water. You don't need to "neutralize" the salt, just wash it out with whatever temperature water you have, and clean as you normally would. Warm/hot water can dissolve and carry more salt in solution than cold water. It also evaporates off the metal faster. |
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Posted: 7/2/2023 9:36:02 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: they can moan and fight it and look bad in my opinion. or throw the guy a 250-400 dollar barrel. and a gas system. im not sure what standard barrels cost. you can even put them in yourself with a barrel wrench and vice. i know match barrels used to be 400. something like that. its not a hard fix. and id put a quality match barrel in it at this point. it will shoot nice. good thing its easy to fix these. send those pics to Smith Enterprise. he will have a fit. that guy lives for the M14. the best there is. Dude, it's Sunday morning? Let's let PSA have the opportunity to wake up, and drink a cup of coffee? If it gets to be next week and they don't do shit I am with you. Give them a chance? |
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Posted: 7/2/2023 9:36:53 AM EDT
[#15]
Quote HistoryQuoted: According to windex some of their products have up to 28% ammonia. Plenty for copper. Not fudd lore. I don’t fucking believe that. The 5% in Sweet’s is toxic as shit. |
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Posted: 7/2/2023 9:37:16 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't use slavic ammo in American guns. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Exactly. 2019 production military ammo from a Nato country. Listed as non-corrosive. I don't think I was being imprudent. I assume all you naysayers clean with windex after you shoot some Prvi? I don't use slavic ammo in American guns. PPU (Serbia) and S&B (Czech) make better FMJ ammo than Winchester or Remington. |
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Posted: 7/2/2023 9:37:40 AM EDT
[#17]
Been using the Windex with Vinegar, not the normal windex to clean blackpowder guns for close to 20 years I would say.
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Posted: 7/2/2023 9:37:54 AM EDT
[#18]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Windex will rust the FUCK out of steel. Anything with ammonia is bad bad bad. I would suspect you cleaned the rifle with it prior to or after based on the OP. Sorry man but his one is on you. I bet the rest of your stuff is proper fucked also. NEWSFLASH - for everyone, not all Windex contains no ammonia these days, make certain you check the ingredients. |
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Posted: 7/2/2023 9:38:10 AM EDT
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Quoted: I want to start off by saying I'm not a complainer. I've been a gun owner for over 20 years, have dozens of firearms, and I've taken care of my weapons many times on remote PBs in Iraq and Afghanistan without issue. I'm not the kind of guy that whines about scratches on my new Colt. But I had an experience today that really pissed me off and wanted to warn others. I recently bought a new Bula M14 Scout model from Atlantic. I was very pleased with the rifle (still am). Very nice out of the box, mirror bore, great finish, nice wood. I purchased some Mesko 7.62 Nato from PSA clearly listed as "non-corrosive" and took it to the range last week. I zeroed it and put about 40 rounds total through it just shooting steel. Rifle performed flawlessly, about 2.5 MOA from the bench with above ammo and open sites which I think is more than reasonable with military ball ammo. I came home and DIDN'T clean the rifle because....why would I? I basically never clean firearms coming home from the range unless: they are something I plan on depending on for carry, they get wet/muddy, or if I use corrosive ammo. Yes, sometimes I shoot old corrosive surplus in my mosin or my enfield but I clean with warm water and windex and I've never had an issue. I put the rifle away in my safe that has desiccant in it. I should note here that it was a sunny day, the rifle did not get wet, and that I've never had a rust issue with ANY firearm. All the other rifles in the safe are fine. Today I was going out to the range and grabbed the rifle. It was kinda dark and I thought I saw a little rust on the flash hider and thought to myself "That's kinda annoying, NBD, I'll clean this off when I get home. As soon as I stepped out into the sun the flash hider looked VERY rusty so I checked the chamber and bore. Yup, rust city. Total sewer pipe. The other externals of the rifle are fine. As I said before, I checked the other guns in the safe, all fine. I can't think of any other explanation but that this Mesko stuff is in fact corrosive. Fairly pissed about this. EDIT: thanks to HEAVYMETAL I checked the primer which is berdan and not boxer like the product description... the plot thickens https://i.postimg.cc/N067PDPF/IMG-7755.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/3NRXNTr0/IMG-7756.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/bJqHXnKT/IMG-7757.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/tTDd9TbH/IMG-7766.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/28YTRVZ3/Screen-Shot-2023-07-01-at-2-10-40-PM.png Please send me a PM with your order number. Like alway we will help you out. Thanks, Josiah |
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Posted: 7/2/2023 9:39:44 AM EDT
[#20]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't fucking believe that. The 5% in Sweet's is toxic as shit. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: According to windex some of their products have up to 28% ammonia. Plenty for copper. Not fudd lore. I don't fucking believe that. The 5% in Sweet's is toxic as shit. But hey you have never seen it so it must not exist right? |
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Posted: 7/2/2023 9:40:47 AM EDT
[#21]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Please send me a PM with your order number. Like alway we will help you out. Thanks, Josiah Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I want to start off by saying I'm not a complainer. I've been a gun owner for over 20 years, have dozens of firearms, and I've taken care of my weapons many times on remote PBs in Iraq and Afghanistan without issue. I'm not the kind of guy that whines about scratches on my new Colt. But I had an experience today that really pissed me off and wanted to warn others. I recently bought a new Bula M14 Scout model from Atlantic. I was very pleased with the rifle (still am). Very nice out of the box, mirror bore, great finish, nice wood. I purchased some Mesko 7.62 Nato from PSA clearly listed as "non-corrosive" and took it to the range last week. I zeroed it and put about 40 rounds total through it just shooting steel. Rifle performed flawlessly, about 2.5 MOA from the bench with above ammo and open sites which I think is more than reasonable with military ball ammo. I came home and DIDN'T clean the rifle because....why would I? I basically never clean firearms coming home from the range unless: they are something I plan on depending on for carry, they get wet/muddy, or if I use corrosive ammo. Yes, sometimes I shoot old corrosive surplus in my mosin or my enfield but I clean with warm water and windex and I've never had an issue. I put the rifle away in my safe that has desiccant in it. I should note here that it was a sunny day, the rifle did not get wet, and that I've never had a rust issue with ANY firearm. All the other rifles in the safe are fine. Today I was going out to the range and grabbed the rifle. It was kinda dark and I thought I saw a little rust on the flash hider and thought to myself "That's kinda annoying, NBD, I'll clean this off when I get home. As soon as I stepped out into the sun the flash hider looked VERY rusty so I checked the chamber and bore. Yup, rust city. Total sewer pipe. The other externals of the rifle are fine. As I said before, I checked the other guns in the safe, all fine. I can't think of any other explanation but that this Mesko stuff is in fact corrosive. Fairly pissed about this. EDIT: thanks to HEAVYMETAL I checked the primer which is berdan and not boxer like the product description... the plot thickens https://i.postimg.cc/N067PDPF/IMG-7755.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/3NRXNTr0/IMG-7756.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/bJqHXnKT/IMG-7757.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/tTDd9TbH/IMG-7766.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/28YTRVZ3/Screen-Shot-2023-07-01-at-2-10-40-PM.png Please send me a PM with your order number. Like alway we will help you out. Thanks, Josiah Who is sitting what out? |
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Posted: 7/2/2023 9:40:47 AM EDT
[#22]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Windex will rust the FUCK out of steel. Anything with ammonia is bad bad bad. I would suspect you cleaned the rifle with it prio or after based on the OP. Sorry man but his one is on you. I bet the rest of your stuff is propper fucked also. Wat? |
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Posted: 7/2/2023 9:42:29 AM EDT
[#23]
Quote HistoryQuoted: OH LOOK. A fucking holiday weekend and they still respond. Who is sitting what out? You can almost imagine, he took a first sip of coffee, turned on his computer, and saw this shit 
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Posted: 7/2/2023 9:42:53 AM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryQuoted: PPU (Serbia) and S&B (Czech) make better FMJ ammo than Winchester or Remington. I agree, I've shot thousands of rounds of both brands and have never had any issues. They both are my go to brands for stacking deep. |
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Posted: 7/2/2023 9:43:01 AM EDT
[#25]
im not mad they didnt respond this second, im furious once again so called non corrosive fucked someone and their M14.
this is hardly the first time in my life i seen this play out and good people get screwed with corrosive. he thought he was buying non corrosive. this is on whoever sold it. Quote HistoryQuoted: Dude, it's Sunday morning? Let's let PSA have the opportunity to wake up, and drink a cup of coffee? If it gets to be next week and they don't do shit I am with you. Give them a chance? |
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Posted: 7/2/2023 9:43:44 AM EDT
[#26]
Not PSAs fault if the manufacturer told them it wasn’t.
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Posted: 7/2/2023 9:43:56 AM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Please send me a PM with your order number. Like alway we will help you out. Thanks, Josiah @beruitUSMC0351 |
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Posted: 7/2/2023 9:44:02 AM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: OH LOOK. A fucking holiday weekend and they still respond. Who is sitting what out? Right, I was like give them til Wednesday at least, but here they are looking to take care of the issue. |
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Posted: 7/2/2023 9:44:17 AM EDT
[#29]
Be thankful it’s just a shotgun that rusted up. That would have ruined a rifle’s accuracy.
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Posted: 7/2/2023 9:45:05 AM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You can almost imagine, he took a first sip of coffee, turned on his computer, and saw this shit Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: OH LOOK. A fucking holiday weekend and they still respond. Who is sitting what out? You can almost imagine, he took a first sip of coffee, turned on his computer, and saw this shit Way to go PSA. |
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Posted: 7/2/2023 9:45:15 AM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Please send me a PM with your order number. Like alway we will help you out. Thanks, Josiah 9:30 on a Sunday morning.... On a holiday weekend! PSA is the gold standard for customer service... ?? |
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Posted: 7/2/2023 9:45:30 AM EDT
[#32]
PSA is in... thats cool.
Quote HistoryQuoted: Please send me a PM with your order number. Like alway we will help you out. Thanks, Josiah |
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Posted: 7/2/2023 9:50:23 AM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Not PSAs fault if the manufacturer told them it wasn’t. This |
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Posted: 7/2/2023 9:51:08 AM EDT
[#34]
This is why PSA is top dog
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Posted: 7/2/2023 9:54:13 AM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: But hey you have never seen it so it must not exist right? Not trying to be an asshole, but I’m really curious about this 28% product. Have you opened a bottle of Sweets and taken a whiff? Holy shit it’s horrifying! |
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Posted: 7/2/2023 9:54:30 AM EDT
[#36]
I'm lucky I've only got burned once by corrosive ammo and it was a $75 turk Mauser.
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Posted: 7/2/2023 9:55:02 AM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I agree, I've shot thousands of rounds of both brands and have never had any issues. They both are my go to brands for stacking deep. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: PPU (Serbia) and S&B (Czech) make better FMJ ammo than Winchester or Remington. I agree, I've shot thousands of rounds of both brands and have never had any issues. They both are my go to brands for stacking deep. S&B absolutely had corrosive rifle ammo for sale not that many years ago. Light green box as I recall and it ate the living F out of barrels. I don't know if it was repackaged surp, surp, or broke down and reloaded surp brass with corrosive primer but it used to be a thing. I think .30 carbine was one of the calibers. As made, Mil .30 carbine was NEVER corrosive unlike 30/06 and other Mil calibers. The chinese also made some, 1952 headstamp or something like it. They tried to pass it off as ''GI'' ammo and the boxes were very similar. |
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Posted: 7/2/2023 9:55:09 AM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: OH LOOK. A fucking holiday weekend and they still respond. Who is sitting what out? Now, if only I could get them to reply to a question I asked in the PSA forums.  Granted this deserves a lot more attention than my simple question. Still good on PSA for looking into this. |
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Posted: 7/2/2023 9:57:18 AM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: 9:30 on a Sunday morning.... On a holiday weekend! PSA is the gold standard for customer service... ?? Yeah, half an hour until church. Dude's got a long day. |
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Posted: 7/2/2023 9:57:21 AM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: corrosive ammo is shit. how could one even use it during war ?? when you cant just sit down and clean after firing it. In an actual large scale kinetic war like Ukraine, the end user isn't expected to last long enough for the barrel to rust away. That's the morbid reality. Atleast with eastern military doctrine. |
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Posted: 7/2/2023 9:58:34 AM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Please send me a PM with your order number. Like alway we will help you out. Thanks, Josiah PM sent - thanks for response over the weekend |
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Posted: 7/2/2023 10:04:45 AM EDT
[#42]
PSA is top notch people and know they'll make it right.
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Posted: 7/2/2023 10:14:21 AM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You bought ammo with jibber jabber on the label and are surprised it was corrosive? |
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Posted: 7/2/2023 10:14:42 AM EDT
[#44]
I’m failing to see how this would be PSA’s problem. If I bought a box of Winchester and a double charge blew up the gun, I would hold Winchester at fault. Do people expect every retailer to physically test every bit of ammo they sell? It does suck that the ammo manufacturer is foreign in this instance.
I am curious what PSA’s solution will be. From what I’ve seen here before, they will go above and beyond. No adult signature required. |
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Posted: 7/2/2023 10:16:34 AM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: approx two weeks  |
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Posted: 7/2/2023 10:18:57 AM EDT
[#46]
if im a car seller and the engine blows up the next day, the customer bought it thinking it will last for some time at least.
to me... i eat it. fix it or replace it with equivalent. sure one can always be a dooshbag and say pound sand. and many do. thats how i operate. i dont want bad karma. everyone else can do what thehy want. |
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Posted: 7/2/2023 10:19:55 AM EDT
[#47]
How many poles does it take to make non-corrosive ammo?
Apparently not enough. I clean corrosive ammo same way as I do when I shoot black powder. A mix of water and ballistol (90percent water/10 percent ballistol) with a 100 percent ballistol wipe at the end. |
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Posted: 7/2/2023 10:23:27 AM EDT
[#48]
Quoted: According to windex some of their products have up to 28% ammonia. Plenty for copper. Not fudd lore. |
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Posted: 7/2/2023 10:24:23 AM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Been using the Windex with Vinegar, not the normal windex to clean blackpowder guns for close to 20 years I would say. |
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Posted: 7/2/2023 10:25:14 AM EDT
[#50]
Send a box to Hickock 45. He's a firearms expert, right?
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