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Link Posted: 8/29/2022 1:00:40 AM EDT
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It takes more than being in the "Goldilocks Zone" to allow for life.

Don't forget Earth's magnetic field shields us from the damaging radiation from the sun - continuous particulate radiation and seemingly spurious coronal mass ejections.

There's more to it than that but that's a starter.
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I love that movie
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Link Posted: 8/29/2022 5:36:16 AM EDT
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Ever get the sense that someone is just making ship up as they go along to continue funding expensive toys?

Since nobody else can verify what they are saying, then how do we know if its true?


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What gets me with that sort of thing is how do they really know the 'fingerprint' is telling them what they think it is.

Even here on Earth, "ground-truthing" is done for multispectral and hyperspectral remote sensing; as in areas are visited in person to confirm that the signatures they're getting mean what they think they mean. No way to ground-truth something 100 lightyears away.


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A water molecule here on Earth is the same as a water molecule 100 light years away.
Physics does not change no matter how far away something is unless you get into black holes.
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Other inhabited planets would be wise to put up a concealement shield that makes their planet appear to be nothing but water.
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100 light years really isn’t that far away. I doubt the planet disappeared in the last 100 years.
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Global warming is going to destroy the earth by 2031!!!

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How do they know it is water? It could be blue or whatever slime, it could be the bukkake planet, they guess it is covered in water.

They don't even know what it looks like, they come up with some BS graphic.
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This.  Gotta keep that funding rolling in
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Also 100 light years away?  That is not exactly current data. Yea, it was there ......once, or maybe now.
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What is that like 600 trillion miles ? I don’t even know how to write that in numerals.
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Not to nitpick, but nothing but massless waves/particles like photons can actually go at light speed. And conversely, masless particles/energy can't go any slower either.

Anything with mass, even a single electron or a single neutrino, which masses almost, but not quite nothing, can never reach 100% light speed, even if you gathered up all the energy in the Universe to push it.

Even 1g of constant acceleration will get you to 99% of light speed, or whatever percentage we decide is "good enough" though. And do it relatively quickly.

A constant 1g thrusting spaceship that will reach that "close enough" 99.whatever% of light speed in about 1 year.

This is a good writeup of the math involved.

There's big practical problems with this though.

Mainly, to produce that constant 1g of acceleration, you really can't gather enough fuel or energy together to do it. Because when you do the math for The Rocket Equation, and start plugging in numbers, a nasty exponential curve shows up. As you need more more fuel to go faster and thrust longer, you need more fuel to push the extra fuel, and so on.

And adding in much more powerful and efficient forms of propulsion, like nuclear power, fusion, or even matter/antimatter annihilation doesn't help as much as one would hope.

And your limited as to how fast you can go by the specific impulse/thrust velocity, the total thrust, and the thrust/weight ratio of the ship.Because both the total mass and how fast what your spaceship squirts out the back end to push it forward in space has to be taken into account.

The most aggressive matter/antimatter annihilation rocket ideas, like a hydrogen/antihydrogen rocket, gets very good specific impulse/exhaust velocity, it's crazy efficient, you're getting exhaust at around 94% the speed of light, but the total thrust is low, and there's no way to get even close to 1g of acceleration out of it.

And I am intentionally overlooking the massive challenge of producing that antimatter, and how to store it on the ship. Best we've done so far is to hold 0.00000000000167 grams of antiprotons made by the CERN particle collider for 204 days in a magnetic field.

You'd need exponentially more for an interstellar mission.

Specific Impluse vs. total thrust is kinda-sorta like having a 10 speed bike with gears. High thrust is like first gear, you start accelerating quickly, but soon you're just spinning your feet, high Specific Impluse is like tenth gear, you accelerate slowly, but it's much more efficient over time.

And physics, chemistry, and nuclear science points heavily to the conclusion there's no magic engine that does both high thrust and high Specific Impluse.

You can compromise and sort of combine both, using nuclear power or antimatter to get some kind of reaction mass or working fluid much hotter than any chemical burning or reacting can get it, but there's drawbacks to that too. The specific impulse is far higher than chemical reactions, double or more, but orders of magnitude lower than the specific impulse purely nuclear or antimatter thrust provides. And by carrying some sort of reaction mass along on your ship to heat up and squirt out the back for higher thrust, brings the rocket equation of needing ever more reaction mass to push the reaction mass you have right back into play.

Also, the savings from time dilation for the ship and any crew, that makes the trip seem shorter, meaning they get there alive, and don't need as much food, water, air, books to read etc. from their reference frame, don't get significant until 80-90% the speed of light. Which even the most powerful and efficient energy source, antimatter, won't get you close to.

And if you could go that fast, we haven't addressed the problem of shielding the ship from cosmic rays, interstellar hydrogen (same thing as cosmic rays at that speed), dust, or an occasional unlucky micrometeor, which would carry the energy of a small atomic bomb if/when it collides.

To make things easier, and at least somewhat achievable with relatively known technology, an Orion style nuclear bomb or possibly a fusion pulse pusher ship could conceivably get to the nearest star system, Alpha Centauri 4.3 light years away, at somewhere around 5-10% of light speed. Adding in acceleration and deceleration time, it would take somewhere around 50 to 100 years to get there.

And that's assuming lots of international cooperation. That SpaceX and other companies make good on their goals of making spaceflight and space industry routine. That nobody complains about manufacturing 300,000 nuclear bombs. And it's probably going to be a purely robotic mission, because life support, consumables, or even if we invent cryogenic freezing/hibernation that works and isn't just a fancy way of being dead that's just as permanent as "regular dead".... The ship will probably be too heavy and complicated to make it.
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Maybe some ot the math guys here can figure out how long it would take to get to speed of light with only two or so G's. And remember, that would be sustained for the whole acceleration.

V = acceleration * time = (Force/MASS) * time  

The klinker is mass increases as speed gets really high and time dilates (relativistic effects).

MASS = mass / (1-(velocity^2/c^2))

TIME = time * (1-(velocity^2/c^2))

Not sure how sustained of even a 2G acceleration the human body could take with no adverse effects.

Would probably be a good thing, building strong bones and muscles.

Not to nitpick, but nothing but massless waves/particles like photons can actually go at light speed. And conversely, masless particles/energy can't go any slower either.

Anything with mass, even a single electron or a single neutrino, which masses almost, but not quite nothing, can never reach 100% light speed, even if you gathered up all the energy in the Universe to push it.

Even 1g of constant acceleration will get you to 99% of light speed, or whatever percentage we decide is "good enough" though. And do it relatively quickly.

A constant 1g thrusting spaceship that will reach that "close enough" 99.whatever% of light speed in about 1 year.

This is a good writeup of the math involved.

There's big practical problems with this though.

Mainly, to produce that constant 1g of acceleration, you really can't gather enough fuel or energy together to do it. Because when you do the math for The Rocket Equation, and start plugging in numbers, a nasty exponential curve shows up. As you need more more fuel to go faster and thrust longer, you need more fuel to push the extra fuel, and so on.

And adding in much more powerful and efficient forms of propulsion, like nuclear power, fusion, or even matter/antimatter annihilation doesn't help as much as one would hope.

And your limited as to how fast you can go by the specific impulse/thrust velocity, the total thrust, and the thrust/weight ratio of the ship.Because both the total mass and how fast what your spaceship squirts out the back end to push it forward in space has to be taken into account.

The most aggressive matter/antimatter annihilation rocket ideas, like a hydrogen/antihydrogen rocket, gets very good specific impulse/exhaust velocity, it's crazy efficient, you're getting exhaust at around 94% the speed of light, but the total thrust is low, and there's no way to get even close to 1g of acceleration out of it.

And I am intentionally overlooking the massive challenge of producing that antimatter, and how to store it on the ship. Best we've done so far is to hold 0.00000000000167 grams of antiprotons made by the CERN particle collider for 204 days in a magnetic field.

You'd need exponentially more for an interstellar mission.

Specific Impluse vs. total thrust is kinda-sorta like having a 10 speed bike with gears. High thrust is like first gear, you start accelerating quickly, but soon you're just spinning your feet, high Specific Impluse is like tenth gear, you accelerate slowly, but it's much more efficient over time.

And physics, chemistry, and nuclear science points heavily to the conclusion there's no magic engine that does both high thrust and high Specific Impluse.

You can compromise and sort of combine both, using nuclear power or antimatter to get some kind of reaction mass or working fluid much hotter than any chemical burning or reacting can get it, but there's drawbacks to that too. The specific impulse is far higher than chemical reactions, double or more, but orders of magnitude lower than the specific impulse purely nuclear or antimatter thrust provides. And by carrying some sort of reaction mass along on your ship to heat up and squirt out the back for higher thrust, brings the rocket equation of needing ever more reaction mass to push the reaction mass you have right back into play.

Also, the savings from time dilation for the ship and any crew, that makes the trip seem shorter, meaning they get there alive, and don't need as much food, water, air, books to read etc. from their reference frame, don't get significant until 80-90% the speed of light. Which even the most powerful and efficient energy source, antimatter, won't get you close to.

And if you could go that fast, we haven't addressed the problem of shielding the ship from cosmic rays, interstellar hydrogen (same thing as cosmic rays at that speed), dust, or an occasional unlucky micrometeor, which would carry the energy of a small atomic bomb if/when it collides.

To make things easier, and at least somewhat achievable with relatively known technology, an Orion style nuclear bomb or possibly a fusion pulse pusher ship could conceivably get to the nearest star system, Alpha Centauri 4.3 light years away, at somewhere around 5-10% of light speed. Adding in acceleration and deceleration time, it would take somewhere around 50 to 100 years to get there.

And that's assuming lots of international cooperation. That SpaceX and other companies make good on their goals of making spaceflight and space industry routine. That nobody complains about manufacturing 300,000 nuclear bombs. And it's probably going to be a purely robotic mission, because life support, consumables, or even if we invent cryogenic freezing/hibernation that works and isn't just a fancy way of being dead that's just as permanent as "regular dead".... The ship will probably be too heavy and complicated to make it.

The Bussard Scoop/ramjet is an interesting theoretical way to propel a ship through space……of course you’d have to have some pretty good mapping and sensors to find the hydrogen to fuel it since the hydrogen density is not what they thought it was…….. and it would take awhile to accelerate
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This.  Gotta keep that funding rolling in
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How do they know it is water? It could be blue or whatever slime, it could be the bukkake planet, they guess it is covered in water.

They don't even know what it looks like, they come up with some BS graphic.


This.  Gotta keep that funding rolling in


Spectral analysis.
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Spectral analysis.
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How do they know it is water? It could be blue or whatever slime, it could be the bukkake planet, they guess it is covered in water.

They don't even know what it looks like, they come up with some BS graphic.


This.  Gotta keep that funding rolling in


Spectral analysis.



Never mind my explanation describing spectroscopy so simple that a third grader can understand it.
Never mind that anyone can go look up an established scientific technique that's been in existence for over a century and verify that is how many astronomical discoveries have happened.

Nah. Its all bullshit.

The FBI agents monitoring this site must be falling off their chairs laughing.
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If all it took was water and the right temperature to create life then creating life would be a class lab in every Jr High in the world, wouldn't it?

Since we have never created life in a lab we don't know how many factors it takes to produce life.  It could be ten factors or 80.  Could even 263,800,199 factors.
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How many highschool labs were working  on the same experiment for a billion years?
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You mean like tap water?
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Is it possible that a planet covered in water as we understand it would not be supporting life?

Isn't water essentially life?



If all it took was water and the right temperature to create life then creating life would be a class lab in every Jr High in the world, wouldn't it?

Since we have never created life in a lab we don't know how many factors it takes to produce life.  It could be ten factors or 80.  Could even 263,800,199 factors.

You mean like tap water?

No like water in the toilet
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What does that have to with this?
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Just absolute  bullshit. They have no idea. The science world has become a cartoon.
I mean.... Artemis I is planned to launch tomorrow morning, to go back to the moon.  It is the most powerful rocket that human kind has ever built. It's standing on the pad right now waiting for day break.  It's certainly real and there is a whole lot of science involved.

What does that have to with this?


Because while people like you make arguments from proud ignorance, better people than you are making amazing things happen all the time.

We're employed a giant space telescope out beyond the moon, we're flying a freakin' remote controlled helicopter on Mars, and we're getting ready to launch the aforementioned rocket. You? You're getting your worthless voice amplified by still more tech and science you have no concept of.
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The right combination of factors existed to create life on earth.

Because it happen here we think that it must happen elsewhere but we don't know.

It could be that those factors coming together at the right time at the right place was an unique event.  It may not have ever happen again elsewhere in the universe.

Even if there is basic life elsewhere another sequence of events allowed life to evolve to higher levels here on earth that may not have happen elsewhere.

We tend to think that statistics can produce life when we say "but there has to be life elsewhere because there are so many stars and planets".  The problem is that statistics doesn't turn chemistry into biology.

We have been brainwashed by 100 years of science fiction to believe that life exist elsewhere and we all want to believe but the reality is that we have no idea.  Not only that but every where we look the universe seems to be hostile to life.

If the universe is finite then unique things can exist in it.  Life may be unique to earth.  Until we get another data point we have no idea one way or the other.

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Stuff like this is so much bullshit.

They have no idea what it looks like.
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Scientists have discovered a beautiful ocean world


Stuff like this is so much bullshit.

They have no idea what it looks like.

Trust the science....
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How many highschool labs were working  on the same experiment for a billion years?
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We have some very smart people working on trying to create life in a lab for several decades and they can't do it.

That tells you right there that the process is extremely complex and could be an unique event in nature.
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Yeah, 587 trillion miles is practically next door!
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100 light years really isn't that far away. I doubt the planet disappeared in the last 100 years.

Yeah, 587 trillion miles is practically next door!
In the context of the comment that he was responding to, he's correct.
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I understood that reference
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Maybe you should write a letter to NASA. Not sure there is much bending of light in a vacuum.
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Gravitational lensing?
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The last paragraph in the article seems important:

"Based on data they gathered from other observation instruments, the researchers say the ocean world is probably rocky like Earth. However, a thick layer of water may cover most of its surface and may also make up much of the planet's mass. Right now, it's unclear, but more observations using the James Webb space telescope could help us determine more."

As long as words still mean things, it sounds like they haven't found shit but since no one can prove they didn't find shit, they wrote a clickbait article for morons.

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Uh...one doesn't follow the other. Logic much?
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Stuff like this is so much bullshit.

They have no idea what it looks like.
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Scientists have discovered a beautiful ocean world


Stuff like this is so much bullshit.

They have no idea what it looks like.


These things Always turn out to be a Lie.
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So, as several people have hinted at, the article in the OP is garbage. They have no idea whether it's actually an ocean world, it's just one possibility that fits what they're seeing. Here's a slightly better article:

Astronomers discover potential "water world" exoplanet nearby Earth that could support life

Scientists announced this week the discovery of a nearby "super-Earth" that could potentially support life, calling it a "water world."

The team, led by the University of Montreal, used observations from NASA's Transiting Exoplanet Survey Satellite (TESS), as well as telescopes on the ground, to detect the exoplanet, which is described as potentially rocky like Earth, but larger. Named TOI-1452 b, it orbits a red dwarf star about 100 light years away from our planet, which scientists say is "fairly close."

Scientists have long theorized the possibility of other ocean planets, but they have been difficult to confirm. TOI-1452 b is roughly 70% larger than Earth and about five times as massive, which would be consistent with having a very deep ocean — but more research is still needed.

NASA says the planet could also potentially be an enormous rock with little or no atmosphere — or even a rocky planet with an atmosphere made up of hydrogen or helium.


There's more at the link.

TL;DR = It might be a water world, it might not.
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Maybe, maybe not is radically different than "didn't find shit" yes?  Of course we keep asking questions and challenging hypothesis and theories. That's the scientific method.
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We have some very smart people working on trying to create life in a lab for several decades and they can't do it.

That tells you right there that the process is extremely complex and could be an unique event in nature.
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Think about the part in bold for a bit.
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Never mind my explanation describing spectroscopy so simple that a third grader can understand it.
Never mind that anyone can go look up an established scientific technique that's been in existence for over a century and verify that is how many astronomical discoveries have happened.

Nah. Its all bullshit.

The FBI agents monitoring this site must be falling off their chairs laughing.
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How do they know it is water? It could be blue or whatever slime, it could be the bukkake planet, they guess it is covered in water.

They don't even know what it looks like, they come up with some BS graphic.


This.  Gotta keep that funding rolling in


Spectral analysis.



Never mind my explanation describing spectroscopy so simple that a third grader can understand it.
Never mind that anyone can go look up an established scientific technique that's been in existence for over a century and verify that is how many astronomical discoveries have happened.

Nah. Its all bullshit.

The FBI agents monitoring this site must be falling off their chairs laughing.

Oh, good. Then it is now fact!

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Think about what Professor Kipping has to say about the subject

Why we might be alone in the Universe
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Think about what Professor Kipping has to say about the subject

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqEmYU8Y_rI
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Think about the part in bold for a bit.



Think about what Professor Kipping has to say about the subject

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqEmYU8Y_rI


Did you watch the whole video? He clearly states that the failure of producing "life" in the lab is not reflective of a bilion year process.  He goes on to argue against the "crowded universe" theory but does not state that it's impossible for abiogenisis in other places just that it is more unlikely than the proponents of the crowded universe theory think it does.  He reflects of a high unlikely chance that other planets experience abiogenisis but he also rather contradicts himself at one point by pulling out numbers like "septillion to one" but then states we don't know what the rate of abiogenisis is because we only have an "n" of one.   With the data we have now, it could be 1 to 1 or it could be googleplex to one, and until we find life somewhere else the rate could be anywhere between 1 to 1 to 1 to infinity. "We don't know" is a fair answer. "It's impossible" is just as wrong as "it's certain."  HIs metaphore of the million prison cells is a bit flawed. There is not a million planets but rather billions and billions of them, so if the chance of "picking the lock" is one in a million (and that is also an assumption without any basis) then you still would have thousands of "locks" that were picked successfully. He goes on to state that teh distribution of early vs late starts of life would be evenly distributed but that had life started late on earth, there would be no time for life to evolve to intelligent hominids--an absolute statement not in evidence. How long does it take for a cluster of amino acids to evolve into intelligent biped hominids? He doesn't know. There is no evidence to support his statement. We do know that it took about 65 million years for small rodents to evolve into us, a mere blip in cosmic time. He says quite clearly that the president data is compatable with a universe full of life just as much as it is compatable with us being alone in the universe and that an "n" of one really can't swing the conclusion in either direction, which is also quite reasonable. He says quite clearly, the most honest answer is "we don't know," and I agree with his summation. We simply do not know. It could be either way just as easily.
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Juggler planet
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Uh...one doesn't follow the other. Logic much?
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OK, explain it to me. I like learning.

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OK, explain it to me. I like learning.

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OK, explain it to me. I like learning.





Because an article that says says it looks like A and we think it might be A but we cannot be certain is a radically different situation than, how you eloquently put it, "they didn't find shit."  One does not logically follow another.
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Because an article that says says it looks like A and we think it might be A but we cannot be certain is a radically different situation than, how you eloquently put it, "they didn't find shit."  One does not logically follow another.
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Let's go with this: They claimed they found something, then admitted in the last paragraph they have no idea what it is.
My bad.

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Let's go with this: They claimed they found something, then admitted in the last paragraph they have no idea what it is.
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But that's notwhat happened. They did not end up with "we have no idea what it is." They said, quite clearly, we found something that we think looks like this but we still are unsure. Reading comprehension much? Here is the last paragraph from the article: "Based on data they gathered from other observation instruments, the researchers say the ocean world is probably rocky like Earth. However, a thick layer of water may cover most of its surface and may also make up much of the planet’s mass. Right now, it’s unclear, but more observations using the James Webb space telescope could help us determine more."
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But that's notwhat happened. They did not end up with "we have no idea what it is." They said, quite clearly, we found something that we think looks like this but we still are unsure. Reading comprehension much?
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I think there's never going to be a confirmation of anything referenced in this article, other than a rehash of what 'could be'. Anyone can write an article that speculates - requires no scientific background whatsoever - but it's fun to imagine so let's publish it and jam some Chevrolet pop up ads in with it.

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I think there's never going to be a confirmation of anything referenced in this article, other than a rehash of what 'could be'. Anyone can write an article that speculates - requires no scientific background whatsoever - but it's fun to imagine so let's publish it and jam some Chevrolet pop up ads in with it.

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But that's notwhat happened. They did not end up with "we have no idea what it is." They said, quite clearly, we found something that we think looks like this but we still are unsure. Reading comprehension much?
I think there's never going to be a confirmation of anything referenced in this article, other than a rehash of what 'could be'. Anyone can write an article that speculates - requires no scientific background whatsoever - but it's fun to imagine so let's publish it and jam some Chevrolet pop up ads in with it.



But it wasn't pure speculation was it? That article links to another article where they explained how they used spectographic analysis to come to theri theory.
Key role of the Observatoire du Mont-Mégantic
It was NASA’s space telescope TESS, which surveys the entire sky in search of planetary systems close to our own, that put the researchers on the trail of this exoplanet. Based on the TESS signal, which showed a slight decrease in brightness every 11 days, astronomers predicted a planet about 70% larger than Earth.

Charles Cadieux belongs to a group of astronomers that does ground follow-up observations of candidates identified by TESS in order to confirm their planet type and characteristics. He uses PESTO, a camera installed on the OMM’s telescope that was developed by Université de Montréal Professor David Lafrenière and his Ph.D. student François-René Lachapelle.

“The OMM played a crucial role in confirming the nature of this signal and estimating the planet’s radius,” explained Cadieux. “This was no routine check. We had to make sure the signal detected by TESS was really caused by an exoplanet circling TOI-1452, the largest of the two stars in that binary system.”

The host star TOI-1452 is much smaller than our Sun and is one of two stars of similar size in the binary system. The two stars orbit each other and are separated by such a small distance — 97 astronomical units, or about two and a half times the distance between the Sun and Pluto — that the TESS telescope sees them as a single point of light. But PESTO’s resolution is high enough to distinguish the two objects, and the images showed that the exoplanet does orbit TOI-1452, which was confirmed through subsequent observations by a Japanese team.

Quebec ingenuity at work
To determine the planet’s mass, the researchers then observed the system with SPIRou, an instrument installed on the Canada-France-Hawaii Telescope in Hawai’i. Designed in large part in Canada, SPIRou is ideal for studying low-mass stars such as TOI-1452 because it operates in the infrared spectrum, where these stars are brightest. Even then, it took more than 50 hours of observation to estimate the planet’s mass, which is believed to be nearly five times that of Earth.

Researchers Étienne Artigau and Neil Cook, also with iREx at the Université de Montréal, played a key role in analysing the data. They developed a powerful analytic method capable of detecting the planet in the data collected with SPIRou. “The LBL method [for line-by-line] allows us to clean the data obtained with SPIRou of many parasite signals and to reveal the weak signature of planets such as the one discovered by our team,” explained Artigau.

The team also includes Quebec researchers Farbod Jahandar and Thomas Vandal, two Ph.D. students at the Université de Montréal. Jahandar analysed the host star’s composition, which is useful for constraining the planet’s internal structure, while Vandal was involved in analysing the data collected with SPIRou.
 https://nouvelles.umontreal.ca/en/article/2022/08/24/an-extrasolar-world-covered-in-water/
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Sorry Doc, I'm standing by my assessment of this article.
Here's the info on the "author". Not sure how much more evidence you need that it's BS.

Joshua Hawkins fell in love with writing and technology at a young age. Eventually he decided to combine the two and started writing about video games, the latest tech, and all the cool gadgets he could find. Whenever he isn't busy writing about tech or gadgets, he can usually be found enjoying a new world in a video game, or tinkering with something on his computer.

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Sorry Doc, I'm standing by my assessment of this article.
Here's the info on the "author". Not sure how much more evidence you need that it's BS.

Joshua Hawkins fell in love with writing and technology at a young age. Eventually he decided to combine the two and started writing about video games, the latest tech, and all the cool gadgets he could find. Whenever he isn't busy writing about tech or gadgets, he can usually be found enjoying a new world in a video game, or tinkering with something on his computer.

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But it wasn't pure speculation was it?
Sorry Doc, I'm standing by my assessment of this article.
Here's the info on the "author". Not sure how much more evidence you need that it's BS.

Joshua Hawkins fell in love with writing and technology at a young age. Eventually he decided to combine the two and started writing about video games, the latest tech, and all the cool gadgets he could find. Whenever he isn't busy writing about tech or gadgets, he can usually be found enjoying a new world in a video game, or tinkering with something on his computer.



You think he's the guy who published that paper in The Astronomical Journal, or are you just really that stupendously ignorant of what that article was about?
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Joshua Hawkins fell in love with writing and technology at a young age. Eventually he decided to combine the two and started writing about video games, the latest tech, and all the cool gadgets he could find. Whenever he isn't busy writing about tech or gadgets, he can usually be found enjoying a new world in a video game, or tinkering with something on his computer.

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You do realize that love of science fiction inspired pretty much every astrophysicist out there to get into that field of study and that Arther C Clark actually wrote science fiction while he was doing things like postulating the communications satellite back in 1945, yes? The guys childhood inspirations not only do not invalidate his research, it inspired him to study and experiment.
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Never mind my explanation describing spectroscopy so simple that a third grader can understand it.
Never mind that anyone can go look up an established scientific technique that's been in existence for over a century and verify that is how many astronomical discoveries have happened.

Nah. Its all bullshit.

The FBI agents monitoring this site must be falling off their chairs laughing.
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How do they know it is water? It could be blue or whatever slime, it could be the bukkake planet, they guess it is covered in water.

They don't even know what it looks like, they come up with some BS graphic.


This.  Gotta keep that funding rolling in


Spectral analysis.



Never mind my explanation describing spectroscopy so simple that a third grader can understand it.
Never mind that anyone can go look up an established scientific technique that's been in existence for over a century and verify that is how many astronomical discoveries have happened.

Nah. Its all bullshit.

The FBI agents monitoring this site must be falling off their chairs laughing.


No kidding.  
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You think he's the guy who published that paper in The Astronomical Journal, or are you just really that stupendously ignorant of what that article was about?
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No, I don't think he's capable of anything that takes place outside his basement. I was referencing the article written by him that the OP put in his OP.If you want to put your faith in PhD students, who are encouraged to publish something in order to get their PhD, go ahead.


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This is real question.

Why would anything anywhere vary too far from what is on earth?  

I know we don't know everything, but going by physics, stuff should not vary too far from what it is here.

So yea, there is hydrogen and O2 that combined somewhere.
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Giant impact formation and large moon to stir the core keeping magnetic shield alive, prevent tidal locking, and generate tides

Probably very rare
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Oh, good. Then it is now fact!

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Spectroscopy?

The scientific method of determining the chemical composition of an object by analyzing the light emitted or reflected from that object?

Yes. Yes it is.
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So wait, it’s possible that the exoplanet doesn’t have a rocky core? That it’s just one giant ball of water close enough to its star to stay liquid?
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