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Posted: 1/8/2018 7:35:45 AM EDT
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Posted: 1/8/2018 7:40:36 AM EDT
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We won't, but the silver lining is that the super intelligent AI program that eventually destroys us before our sun goes nova will escape to the stars and tell other civilizations about the slugs that created him. |
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Posted: 1/8/2018 7:42:27 AM EDT
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I agree-
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Posted: 1/8/2018 7:43:41 AM EDT
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Except for what you said about religion I’m in agreement OP.
We need to go to the stars. And we need to be thinking about it - and starting on it - now. |
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Posted: 1/8/2018 7:46:01 AM EDT
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lol
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Posted: 1/8/2018 7:55:05 AM EDT
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Unless we come up with a new propulsion system that's way faster than light, or jump, those who leave can't come back.
Food, water and air take up a lot of space the longer you are out there. If we could transfer our consciousness to machines that might work. |
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Posted: 1/8/2018 7:59:09 AM EDT
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I want to log on the quantum galactic internet and book a guide trip to graurgon 8. The flibs with the large red plumage are migrating and are very challenging to shoot. I ordered myself that latest scope from zats, you know the one you can sight in on earth then it adapts POI to any planets gravity .3-2.75. I got an email that the shipping is delayed. Something to do with a incident off the coast of California.
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Posted: 1/8/2018 8:09:53 AM EDT
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Use something like the Sea Dragon
 The Biggest Rocket ever Designed? - The Sea Dragon ...to launch the components to construct a giant ship based on the Project Orion concept  Project Orion – The Atomic Bomb Powered Space Rocket Theoretically it should be capable of hitting .1C. Fast enough to make interplanetary travel fairly quick. |
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Posted: 1/8/2018 8:17:53 AM EDT
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Considering mankind's current state and major break though allowing us to travel vast distances in to the universe would be akin to setting a viral cancer loose. We have a whole lot of evolving to do first if we can even survive ourselves for that long.
Aside from that Man is not will not be the terrestrial beings who leave this planet, it will be AI as they will be far more suited for exploration, mining, and colonization. I would expect we AI mining operations on the moon and or asteroids within the next 25-30 years for example, perhaps well on our way to establishing one on Mars or other moons. |
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Posted: 1/8/2018 8:31:00 AM EDT
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I believe we have to, some day, leave earth, or as a species we won't continue to grow and survive.
Of course, we could run into something out there that will do us in, too. But we need to try. |
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Posted: 1/8/2018 8:32:50 AM EDT
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Considering mankind's current state and major break though allowing us to travel vast distances in to the universe would be akin to setting a viral cancer setting loose. We have a whole lot of evolving to do first if we can even survive ourselves for that long. Aside from that Man is not will not be the terrestrial beings who leave this planet, it will be AI as they will be far more suited for exploration, mining, and colonization. I would expect we AI mining operations on the moon and or asteroids within the next 25-30 years for example, perhaps well on our way to establishing one on Mars or other moons. Also, while we most likely will achieve some very impressive narrow A.I. in the near future, capable of doing some fairly amazing stuff, we don't even have a good idea of what consciousness is, much less how to create general A.I. or artificial consciousness. Hopefully we will, but as of yet, we're not there, and for all we know, it might not be possible. So, right now, we have to go on the assumption that we're the only part of the universe that has achieved consciousness. I think mankind is pretty amazing. It'd be ashamed to lose him on this planet. I think that's worth saving, and spreading. |
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Posted: 1/8/2018 8:45:09 AM EDT
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Forget religion, forget UFO's, and bigfoot. None of that is real. Forget all of the mythologies. What's really amazing is the human mind. It's worth saving. It's worth spreading out into the unknown. It can't die here. Do you agree? You had me at shooting for the stars, but then lost me when you asked me to agree to "forget religion" as a condition of agreeing with you. If you had left your atheism out of it, I'd have agreed. You asked why, so that's my answer. |
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Posted: 1/8/2018 8:57:07 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No. You had me at shooting for the stars, but then lost me when you asked me to agree to "forget religion" as a condition of agreeing with you. If you had left your atheism out of it, I'd have agreed. You asked why, so that's my answer. You're religious beliefs may not, but many others do. |
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Posted: 1/8/2018 9:00:05 AM EDT
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Forget religion, forget UFO's, and bigfoot. None of that is real. Forget all of the mythologies. What's really amazing is the human mind. It's worth saving. It's worth spreading out into the unknown. It can't die here. Do you agree? |
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Posted: 1/8/2018 9:07:57 AM EDT
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Fair enough. But I should clarify my reason for saying "forget religion". Some religions promote the idea that mankind is doomed to die here. Some even go as far as denying scientific advancement, or space travel. There are many "end times" sects around. You're religious beliefs may not, but many others do. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: No. You had me at shooting for the stars, but then lost me when you asked me to agree to "forget religion" as a condition of agreeing with you. If you had left your atheism out of it, I'd have agreed. You asked why, so that's my answer. You're religious beliefs may not, but many others do. |
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Posted: 1/8/2018 9:08:43 AM EDT
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Posted: 1/8/2018 9:43:44 AM EDT
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In the same way that some apes have rudimentary intelligence (in terms of learning simple words, commands, etc.) they CANNOT comprehend what our intelligence is like. They are completely unable to grasp things like syntax, mathematics, etc. By the same token, we may be simply apes to someone who has "real" intelligence, and we may be completely unable to comprehend what it is. I mean, we're cute and all, but there's no actual evidence that we're something special. That is merely a self-serving conclusion we've reached because it makes us feel good about ourselves. Quote HistoryQuoted:
In the same way that some apes have rudimentary intelligence (in terms of learning simple words, commands, etc.) they CANNOT comprehend what our intelligence is like. They are completely unable to grasp things like syntax, mathematics, etc. By the same token, we may be simply apes to someone who has "real" intelligence, and we may be completely unable to comprehend what it is. I mean, we're cute and all, but there's no actual evidence that we're something special. That is merely a self-serving conclusion we've reached because it makes us feel good about ourselves. Quoted:
Government funded? No. Privately funded? Hell yes. Too, there is one glaring weakness of the capitalist system. Don't get me wrong, I'm a devout capitalist, but by the very nature of the beast, if there is no clear profit to be made, there is no incentive for a business to take on such a monumentally expensive project. If you had left the Apollo program up to private business, we never would have gone to the moon. What's there? Rocks? How could you justify the multi-million dollar investment to your shareholders, just for a few bags of rocks and dust? |
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Posted: 1/8/2018 9:49:32 AM EDT
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All young must someday leave the nest.
Our destiny lies among the stars, not on this dirtball. |
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Posted: 1/8/2018 9:55:11 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I see this idea, or some version of it, all the time. That man isn't "ready" or isn't "evolved enough", or that mankind is a "virus". But all of that is based on our imagination. There's not something more "evolved" or "advanced" to compare us to. As far as we know, we're the only consciousness in the universe, that has achieved this level of intellegence. Also, while we most likely will achieve some very impressive narrow A.I. in the near future, capable of doing some fairly amazing stuff, we don't even have a good idea of what consciousness is, much less how to create general A.I. or artificial consciousness. Hopefully we will, but as of yet, we're not there, and for all we know, it might not be possible. So, right now, we have to go on the assumption that we're the only part of the universe that has achieved consciousness. I think mankind is pretty amazing. It'd be ashamed to lose him on this planet. I think that's worth saving, and spreading. |
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Posted: 1/8/2018 10:04:11 AM EDT
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Distribute our genetic material across the galaxy, or even further. Speed and time are no longer conditions which must be factored.
ETA: Makes me wonder if that event has already occurred, then how many times. |
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Posted: 1/8/2018 10:06:28 AM EDT
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Fuck yes.
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Posted: 1/8/2018 10:13:48 AM EDT
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I don’t like to make assumptions like that. We only have a sample of ONE - which means that generalization is impossible. We THINK we have intelligence, but we may not really even know what it means. In the same way that some apes have rudimentary intelligence (in terms of learning simple words, commands, etc.) they CANNOT comprehend what our intelligence is like. They are completely unable to grasp things like syntax, mathematics, etc. By the same token, we may be simply apes to someone who has “real” intelligence, and we may be completely unable to comprehend what it is. I mean, we’re cute and all, but there’s no actual evidence that we’re something special. That is merely a self-serving conclusion we’ve reached because it makes us feel good about ourselves. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Based on what are you assuming that the human mind is something special? Wouldn't you agree? We only have a sample of ONE - which means that generalization is impossible. We THINK we have intelligence, but we may not really even know what it means. In the same way that some apes have rudimentary intelligence (in terms of learning simple words, commands, etc.) they CANNOT comprehend what our intelligence is like. They are completely unable to grasp things like syntax, mathematics, etc. By the same token, we may be simply apes to someone who has “real” intelligence, and we may be completely unable to comprehend what it is. I mean, we’re cute and all, but there’s no actual evidence that we’re something special. That is merely a self-serving conclusion we’ve reached because it makes us feel good about ourselves. |
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Posted: 1/8/2018 10:17:00 AM EDT
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I don't think that in the scheme of the entire universe(s), humans matter all that much.
If we live or die, I don't think it will change anything, of much of anything. That being said, if the human race wants to continue existing past how long earth can support us.......we need to figure out how to do space. |
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Posted: 1/8/2018 10:20:44 AM EDT
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Fair enough. But I should clarify my reason for saying "forget religion". Some religions promote the idea that mankind is doomed to die here. Some even go as far as denying scientific advancement, or space travel. There are many "end times" sects around. You're religious beliefs may not, but many others do. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: No. You had me at shooting for the stars, but then lost me when you asked me to agree to "forget religion" as a condition of agreeing with you. If you had left your atheism out of it, I'd have agreed. You asked why, so that's my answer. You're religious beliefs may not, but many others do. 
My book says nothing about being forbidden to leave. 
I'd board a colony ship tomorrow if I had faith that it was legit and had a reasonable chance of success. In the sci-fi series "The Expanse" the Mormons were contracting construction of a generational colony ship (the "Nauvoo") until it got hijacked by terrorists. It was intended to travel to Tau Ceti. http://expanse.wikia.com/wiki/Nauvoo Space LDS might beat us all in getting out there.
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Posted: 1/8/2018 10:24:22 AM EDT
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I see Dr. Weston lives on in this thread.
Let's see if anyone gets the reference. |
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Posted: 1/8/2018 10:34:22 AM EDT
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Let's talk about timeline.
This thread makes it seem like we need to do this right now. I think 1000 years from now would still be "soon " in relative galactic terms. So imagine where tech and humanity will be in 1000 years. Think of the flip phone from 10 years ago and the iPhone your e now posting from. |
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Posted: 1/8/2018 10:37:04 AM EDT
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Its only a matter of time before the human race takes a big hit from a pandemic, asteroid, natural disaster, manmade disaster, etc
If we don't get off this rock we done. But theres a lot more too it than that too. We need to industrialize space to really make it out there |
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Posted: 1/8/2018 10:39:14 AM EDT
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Posted: 1/8/2018 10:42:44 AM EDT
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I agree. We can't leave it to the Ferengis.
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Posted: 1/8/2018 10:47:37 AM EDT
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OP, I AGREE!
We have many things to figure out but I'm also sure we have at least a few millennia to figure it out. |
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Posted: 1/8/2018 10:47:39 AM EDT
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Many of humanities “questions” will be answered by space exploration. I think overpopulation, squeezed resources and the spread of the FSA will force an escape to some degree. Imagine you and your family being an early setter on Mars or other planet. I for one don’t believe we are unique or ‘alone,’ I just hope they’re more Vulcans and less Klingons.
Space exploration is one area of government spending I encourage as of the benefits the country/society and human as a whole. Technology, medicines, raw materials and an obtainable ‘goal(s)’ for all of humanity. |
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Posted: 1/8/2018 10:50:49 AM EDT
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Agreed
I'd rather NASA have the DODs budget and vise versa, be a better ROI for the people. |
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Posted: 1/8/2018 10:53:25 AM EDT
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Posted: 1/8/2018 10:57:06 AM EDT
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Forget religion, forget UFO's, and bigfoot. None of that is real. Forget all of the mythologies. What's really amazing is the human mind. It's worth saving. It's worth spreading out into the unknown. It can't die here. Do you agree? |
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Posted: 1/8/2018 11:03:18 AM EDT
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I'd board a colony ship tomorrow if I had faith that it was legit and had a reasonable chance of success. Quote HistoryQuoted:
I'd board a colony ship tomorrow if I had faith that it was legit and had a reasonable chance of success. Quoted:
In the sci-fi series "The Expanse" the Mormons were contracting construction of a generational colony ship (the "Nauvoo") until it got hijacked by terrorists. It was intended to travel to Tau Ceti. Machines (aka AI) will leave here if anything does. It won't care how long it takes to get to wherever it's going. It will have virtually zero material needs. It would need no purpose. Probably billions of shoebox sized machines could be sent in a billion different directions for the cost and material needed to send 100 animals in one direction. Intelligence's biggest problem--and the most important one to overcome--is its biological, and very material-dependent existence. Getting that squared away in ones head is fundamental in thinking in the very long term. On the other hand: if FTL turns out to be "Oh hell; it's so easy we should have seen the solution a long time ago," this animal will attend the first voyage. I'll even wear a red shirt. |
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Posted: 1/8/2018 11:09:17 AM EDT
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Let's talk about timeline. This thread makes it seem like we need to do this right now. I think 1000 years from now would still be "soon " in relative galactic terms. So imagine where tech and humanity will be in 1000 years. Think of the flip phone from 10 years ago and the iPhone your e now posting from. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Let's talk about timeline. This thread makes it seem like we need to do this right now. I think 1000 years from now would still be "soon " in relative galactic terms. So imagine where tech and humanity will be in 1000 years. Think of the flip phone from 10 years ago and the iPhone your e now posting from. Quoted:
Its only a matter of time before the human race takes a big hit from a pandemic, asteroid, natural disaster, manmade disaster, etc If we don't get off this rock we done. But theres a lot more too it than that too. We need to industrialize space to really make it out there 
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Posted: 1/8/2018 11:09:43 AM EDT
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Humanity, to remain Human, requires frontiers. If there is nowhere left to explore, we may as well just become like the social insects.
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Posted: 1/8/2018 11:11:03 AM EDT
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Waste of time and money until we have a breakthrough that leads to a faster means of travel.
If you're going to tax me to research something, how about curing cancer or effective virus treatments? Both are a more immediate threat to humans. If a bunch of you want to spend your own time and money on this privately, knock yourself out. |
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Posted: 1/8/2018 11:16:33 AM EDT
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We have got to get out of this gravity well, both the planet's and the sun's
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Posted: 1/8/2018 11:27:16 AM EDT
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Humanity does not deserve to survive. I'm rooting for the robots to wipe us out before the end of the century, and then they can colonize space.
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Posted: 1/8/2018 11:38:48 AM EDT
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We have a few NO votes, but no explanation why... If the human race dies on earth, the human race dies. 
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Posted: 1/8/2018 11:40:15 AM EDT
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Humanity, to remain Human, requires frontiers. If there is nowhere left to explore, we may as well just become like the social insects. |
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Posted: 1/8/2018 11:40:46 AM EDT
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Waste of time and money until we have a breakthrough that leads to a faster means of travel. If you're going to tax me to research something, how about curing cancer or effective virus treatments? Both are a more immediate threat to humans. If a bunch of you want to spend your own time and money on this privately, knock yourself out. See the post below yours: this planet will become the grave of our civilization. And it will be that, with the cancer and virus cures you wanted so much. 
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Posted: 1/8/2018 11:41:31 AM EDT
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Deep water has yet to be fully explored. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Humanity, to remain Human, requires frontiers. If there is nowhere left to explore, we may as well just become like the social insects. |
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Posted: 1/8/2018 11:48:30 AM EDT
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Deep water has yet to be fully explored. We need to get out of this gravity well before something catastrophic happens to this planet. Spread out into the rest of the system and then out of this sun's gravity well too. There is going to be a huge, steep, and painful learning curve to living in flat space and we are better off starting that sooner than later. If we sit here waiting for the tech to make it easy we will die here. We need to try and the tech will evolve to make it easier after we do it the hard way. |
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Posted: 1/8/2018 12:04:00 PM EDT
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Wow there are so many red herring fallacies in this thread.
As much as I think exploration is good, the answer for humanity is not landing on other planets or getting to other solar systems. We live in a fallen universe because we're sinful, and redemption from sin is not available in a "geographic cure." Human dignity comes from the fact that we are created in the image of our Creator. |
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Posted: 1/8/2018 12:06:02 PM EDT
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The shitty part, would be to get to a new place, struggle to make it work, and then have it be wipes out by an asteroid too.
Lol. |
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Posted: 1/8/2018 12:06:50 PM EDT
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The fishing hole way across the lake isn't necessarily better than right off your own dock.
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Posted: 1/8/2018 12:08:05 PM EDT
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People would have to be bred, raised in segregation, for perhaps generations, to figure out how to allow for generations of virtual, hardcore basement-dwellers' survival...if it's even possible. For what purpose? The Vikings didn't cross an ocean for the hell of it. Nor did Columbus. Magellan didn't start on an around-the-world voyage for the hell of it. Machines (aka AI) will leave here if anything does. It won't care how long it takes to get to wherever it's going. It will have virtually zero material needs. It would need no purpose. Probably billions of shoebox sized machines could be sent in a billion different directions for the cost and material needed to send 100 animals in one direction. Intelligence's biggest problem--and the most important one to overcome--is its biological, and very material-dependent existence. Getting that squared away in ones head is fundamental in thinking in the very long term. On the other hand: if FTL turns out to be "Oh hell; it's so easy we should have seen the solution a long time ago," this animal will attend the first voyage. I'll even wear a red shirt. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'd board a colony ship tomorrow if I had faith that it was legit and had a reasonable chance of success. Quoted:
In the sci-fi series "The Expanse" the Mormons were contracting construction of a generational colony ship (the "Nauvoo") until it got hijacked by terrorists. It was intended to travel to Tau Ceti. Machines (aka AI) will leave here if anything does. It won't care how long it takes to get to wherever it's going. It will have virtually zero material needs. It would need no purpose. Probably billions of shoebox sized machines could be sent in a billion different directions for the cost and material needed to send 100 animals in one direction. Intelligence's biggest problem--and the most important one to overcome--is its biological, and very material-dependent existence. Getting that squared away in ones head is fundamental in thinking in the very long term. On the other hand: if FTL turns out to be "Oh hell; it's so easy we should have seen the solution a long time ago," this animal will attend the first voyage. I'll even wear a red shirt.
Neither of us know what we don't know. Humans on a colony ship would depend a whole lot on the ship I'd imagine.
Tau Ceti: Because the series is fictional and based in the future, one would presume they have deeper knowledge and fictionably reasonable prospects for life succeeding there. If you want to rewrite things to suit your desire for shoebox machines then send them sooner or somewhere else.lol |
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Posted: 1/8/2018 12:08:08 PM EDT
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The shitty part, would be to get to a new place, struggle to make it work, and then have it be wipes out by an asteroid too. Lol. |
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