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Posted: 1/8/2018 6:31:37 PM EDT
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Nope.
Dont care where the earth or human race is headed when I am gone. Gonna consume what I can and leave nothing while watching the fall of Rome. |
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Posted: 1/8/2018 6:34:34 PM EDT
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I agree with OP's premise.
Until proved otherwise, we are the brightest bulbs burning in the universe, and we should endeavor to expand and protect ourselves. Maybe one day we will discover we are a retarded backwater, but until that day comes, we should carry onward and forward like we own the joint. While the vast majority of humanity plods along in everyday life, content with the world around them, the best and brightest have always looked forward and asked; " Why Not" Once we thought that a man traveling faster than a mile a minute would be unable to breath, flight was a silly fantasy, space travel a ridiculous dream, and face to face video communication the stuff of science fiction. Today we do it all, and have a computer in our pocket that is way better than the one that took us to the moon. So to the naysayers, and those of you content in your belief system that excludes the need to seek more, step aside, and let the dreamers travel on without you. My dream is to be Lazarous Long, and watch it all unfold. 
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Posted: 1/8/2018 6:40:54 PM EDT
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So what would be considered success for "humanity " to continue?
Would it be good enough to pass our collective acquired knowledge on? Or just our physical DNA? Or individual consciousness? Would you be happy enough if you could upload your consciousness to another species? Or would you also need a body to make it real? What if you could project yourself through dimensions , just not physically? I feel like we need to habe qweevox do some ayahuasca and ask him this stuff on youtube. |
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Posted: 1/8/2018 6:45:35 PM EDT
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we are. Star Shot But I think we should focus on exploiting the vast resources in our own system before we start thinking about human flights out of the system. There's more material wealth to be had in the asteroid belt than you or I can even imagine. The Moon would be a wonderful place to build factories and refineries. Mars too is a great place for factories as their waste gasses can be used to build up an atmosphere so it's thick enough for people to no longer need pressure suits. It may never get fully Earth like... but about 100 years is all that's needed to do away with pressure suits. Then some more warming and some choice bacteria and plants... we could get it pretty darn habitable and maintain that for a few hundred thousand years using existing technology. There's more water on Europa than on all of Earth. There's more methane on Titan than on all of Earth. Venus is tough... but there is a level within it's atmosphere where it isn't too hot... still very hot... but not instant death hot... where you could have floating cities... Lots of stuff to do in our own system... to build our civilization to the point where we could build the large ships that the long voyage between stars would need. http://einstein-schrodinger.com/mercury_colony.html |
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Posted: 1/8/2018 6:47:14 PM EDT
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Forget religion, forget UFO's, and bigfoot. None of that is real. Forget all of the mythologies. What's really amazing is the human mind. It's worth saving. It's worth spreading out into the unknown. It can't die here. Do you agree? 
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Posted: 1/8/2018 6:48:01 PM EDT
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Forget religion, forget UFO's, and bigfoot. None of that is real. Forget all of the mythologies. What's really amazing is the human mind. It's worth saving. It's worth spreading out into the unknown. It can't die here. Do you agree? Nope. Whats the sense wasting my effort if deaths the end? Theres no afterlife, just nothing, so why should I give a fuck about the future? |
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Posted: 1/8/2018 6:48:02 PM EDT
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Someone once had an amazingly deep quote that Ill summarize. From a purely numerical standpoint, the universe HAS to be littered with the graveyards of planets/species that were never able to get off their planets in time to continue existence. If we fail to get into space, our tiny timespan on this planet, and all the amazing leaps we have made will be for nothing. Sooner or later, all planets cores stop producing magnetic fields capable of sustaining life, and all stars die. Even assuming we dont find a way to end our own existence, if we dont beat that clock, we simply become another graveyard planet waiting to be found by the species that made it off their planets.
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Posted: 1/8/2018 6:48:07 PM EDT
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No. Get back to me after: -We have paid off the national debt. -Have gotten tens of millions of entitled motherfuckers to start pulling their weight. -Convinced one billion Muslims to settle down and leave us in peace. |
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Posted: 1/8/2018 6:52:20 PM EDT
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No, unless warp travel or something like it is discovered/invented we aren't going far enough to matter. Colonizing inhospitable planets is stupid, as is longterm living in space. We need to fix ourselves and our house/planet before we even think about venturing far off this rock.
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Posted: 1/8/2018 6:56:06 PM EDT
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Until proved otherwise, we are the brightest bulbs burning in the universe, and we should endeavor to expand and protect ourselves. Maybe one day we will discover we are a retarded backwater, but until that day comes, we should carry onward and forward like we own the joint. While the vast majority of humanity plods along in everyday life, content with the world around them, the best and brightest have always looked forward and asked; " Why Not" <snip> So to the naysayers, and those of you content in your belief system that excludes the need to seek more, step aside, and let the dreamers travel on without you.  Well stated, my friend. At kind of a low point in my life right now, this is the kind of dream-of-the-future stuff I need right now. 
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Posted: 1/8/2018 6:56:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: When or if we develop general artificial intellegence they will be better than us, very quickly. But I still think we need to move in the direction of getting us off this one world. We have the technology to make moving inside our own solar system relatively fast and cheap. Project Orion's ship is massive, is a robust, heavily constructed spacecraft, capable of moving tremendous mass at .1C. That's fast enough to move around our solar system fairly quick, and it's fast enough to reach some of the nearest stars in a lifetime, or two. If we don't want to use Orion for surface to orbit, due to the atmospheric nuclear explosions, we could use the Sea Dragon system design to launch all the components to assemble in orbit, and go form there. You dont really want to use Orion in the atmosphere. I like the Zubrin NSWR idea better than Orion, but it may not work. Worth testing. Would be the closest thing to a torchship that is feasible right now. |
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Posted: 1/8/2018 6:57:25 PM EDT
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If we get to a point where not only have we colonized the solar system but the off-world colonies could actually survive the total destruction of Earth, we (as in some form of intelligent biological/technological life that can trace its history back to humans on Earth) probably won't go extinct until we start to bump up against the Heat Death of the universe. In my view, the biggest threat is nuclear war sometime in the next two hundred or so years.
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Posted: 1/8/2018 6:57:30 PM EDT
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Amazingly, Mercury may also be a good candidate for colonization. http://einstein-schrodinger.com/mercury_colony.html Quote HistoryQuoted:
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we are. Star Shot But I think we should focus on exploiting the vast resources in our own system before we start thinking about human flights out of the system. There's more material wealth to be had in the asteroid belt than you or I can even imagine. The Moon would be a wonderful place to build factories and refineries. Mars too is a great place for factories as their waste gasses can be used to build up an atmosphere so it's thick enough for people to no longer need pressure suits. It may never get fully Earth like... but about 100 years is all that's needed to do away with pressure suits. Then some more warming and some choice bacteria and plants... we could get it pretty darn habitable and maintain that for a few hundred thousand years using existing technology. There's more water on Europa than on all of Earth. There's more methane on Titan than on all of Earth. Venus is tough... but there is a level within it's atmosphere where it isn't too hot... still very hot... but not instant death hot... where you could have floating cities... Lots of stuff to do in our own system... to build our civilization to the point where we could build the large ships that the long voyage between stars would need. http://einstein-schrodinger.com/mercury_colony.html  Thank you for that, would never even have thot of Mercury as even being in the running.
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Posted: 1/8/2018 6:58:21 PM EDT
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Forget religion, forget UFO's, and bigfoot. None of that is real. Forget all of the mythologies. What's really amazing is the human mind. It's worth saving. It's worth spreading out into the unknown. It can't die here. Do you agree? Do we need a redundant home world? |
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Posted: 1/8/2018 7:01:44 PM EDT
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Someone once had an amazingly deep quote that Ill summarize. From a purely numerical standpoint, the universe HAS to be littered with the graveyards of planets/species that were never able to get off their planets in time to continue existence. If we fail to get into space, our tiny timespan on this planet, and all the amazing leaps we have made will be for nothing. Sooner or later, all planets cores stop producing magnetic fields capable of sustaining life, and all stars die. Even assuming we dont find a way to end our own existence, if we dont beat that clock, we simply become another graveyard planet waiting to be found by the species that made it off their planets. "Look again at that dot. That's here. That's home. That's us. On it everyone you love, everyone you know, everyone you ever heard of, every human being who ever was, lived out their lives. The aggregate of our joy and suffering, thousands of confident religions, ideologies, and economic doctrines, every hunter and forager, every hero and coward, every creator and destroyer of civilization, every king and peasant, every young couple in love, every mother and father, hopeful child, inventor and explorer, every teacher of morals, every corrupt politician, every "superstar," every "supreme leader," every saint and sinner in the history of our species lived there-on a mote of dust suspended in a sunbeam." |
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Posted: 1/8/2018 7:03:08 PM EDT
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We have got to get out of this gravity well, both the planet's and the sun's http://www.thequotepedia.com/images/71/the-universe-is-probably-littered-with-the-one-planet-graves-of-cultures-which-made-the-sensible-economic-decision.jpg |
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Posted: 1/8/2018 7:05:57 PM EDT
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I mean, we’re cute and all, but there’s no actual evidence that we’re something special. That is merely a self-serving conclusion we’ve reached because it makes us feel good about ourselves. |
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Posted: 1/8/2018 7:07:23 PM EDT
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We'd have to be because eventually the sun will get too close to be inhabitable. And the only way to the stars is lots of collectivism and debt. Still down? |
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Posted: 1/8/2018 7:10:20 PM EDT
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Wow there are so many red herring fallacies in this thread. As much as I think exploration is good, the answer for humanity is not landing on other planets or getting to other solar systems. We live in a fallen universe because we're sinful, and redemption from sin is not available in a "geographic cure." Human dignity comes from the fact that we are created in the image of our Creator. |
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Posted: 1/8/2018 7:11:08 PM EDT
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I'm all for our kids leaving. But shouldn't we try, in case they don't turn out to be what we expect. I mean wonder if they are paperclip producing morons. We need to proceed as if we're it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 1/8/2018 7:14:12 PM EDT
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No, go back to the octopus head chick. OP agreed, long term survival of the species demands we get our dna off planet. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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https://i.imgur.com/X6BFVFX.png Go back to the bearded guy. That suits you. OP agreed, long term survival of the species demands we get our dna off planet. |
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Posted: 1/8/2018 7:15:09 PM EDT
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Right now all it would take to exterminate the human race is a big rock from the sky. It happens, and right now we cannot stop it.
For that reason alone we should spread out. There are plenty more reasons, of course, but that's the important one. |
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Posted: 1/8/2018 7:16:35 PM EDT
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Someone once had an amazingly deep quote that Ill summarize. From a purely numerical standpoint, the universe HAS to be littered with the graveyards of planets/species that were never able to get off their planets in time to continue existence. If we fail to get into space, our tiny timespan on this planet, and all the amazing leaps we have made will be for nothing. Sooner or later, all planets cores stop producing magnetic fields capable of sustaining life, and all stars die. Even assuming we dont find a way to end our own existence, if we dont beat that clock, we simply become another graveyard planet waiting to be found by the species that made it off their planets. |
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Posted: 1/8/2018 7:17:53 PM EDT
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If we get to a point where not only have we colonized the solar system but the off-world colonies could actually survive the total destruction of Earth, we (as in some form of intelligent biological/technological life that can trace its history back to humans on Earth) probably won't go extinct until we start to bump up against the Heat Death of the universe. In my view, the biggest threat is nuclear war sometime in the next two hundred or so years. |
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Posted: 1/8/2018 7:18:33 PM EDT
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Right now all it would take to exterminate the human race is a big rock from the sky. It happens, and right now we cannot stop it. For that reason alone we should spread out. There are plenty more reasons, of course, but that's the important one. We just need better early warning and planetary defense systems. That might actually be a halfway decent reason to build a permanent settlement on the moon. |
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Posted: 1/8/2018 7:18:37 PM EDT
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Typical BS poll. You have too much crap in your post to which we are asked to agree. Get rid of your atheism, your mythology, your UFO and Big Foot crap. Get rid of your narcissistic "human mind" crap. Simply put: Do we need a redundant home world? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Forget religion, forget UFO's, and bigfoot. None of that is real. Forget all of the mythologies. What's really amazing is the human mind. It's worth saving. It's worth spreading out into the unknown. It can't die here. Do you agree? Do we need a redundant home world? |
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Posted: 1/8/2018 7:18:55 PM EDT
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As much as I think exploration is good, the answer for humanity is not landing on other planets or getting to other solar systems. ......redemption from sin is not available in a "geographic cure. What a lot of people (and christians) dont understand is that humans will occupy and explore the stars, just not in this age. |
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Posted: 1/8/2018 7:21:46 PM EDT
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We just need better early warning and planetary defense systems. That might actually be a halfway decent reason to build a permanent settlement on the moon. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 1/8/2018 7:23:29 PM EDT
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That would require nukes in space. Good luck getting nukes in space to be controlled by a supranational government. Good luck getting them in space with a single nation state without a huge arms race. No nukes necessary. We just need a spacecraft that can attach a small thruster about ten million miles out and give it a gentle shove. |
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Posted: 1/8/2018 7:25:14 PM EDT
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Can, have, and will. And the only way to the stars is lots of collectivism and debt. Still down? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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We'd have to be because eventually the sun will get too close to be inhabitable. And the only way to the stars is lots of collectivism and debt. Still down? |
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Posted: 1/8/2018 7:25:17 PM EDT
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I'm conflicted. Part of me doesn't want to live on this planet anymore. The other part doesn't want to see the infection spread.
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Posted: 1/8/2018 7:25:57 PM EDT
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I've been told that's unrealistic/impossible. Nuclear powers don't fight. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If we get to a point where not only have we colonized the solar system but the off-world colonies could actually survive the total destruction of Earth, we (as in some form of intelligent biological/technological life that can trace its history back to humans on Earth) probably won't go extinct until we start to bump up against the Heat Death of the universe. In my view, the biggest threat is nuclear war sometime in the next two hundred or so years. |
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Posted: 1/8/2018 7:31:25 PM EDT
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No nukes necessary. We just need a spacecraft that can attach a small thruster about ten million miles out and give it a gentle shove. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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That would require nukes in space. Good luck getting nukes in space to be controlled by a supranational government. Good luck getting them in space with a single nation state without a huge arms race. |
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Posted: 1/8/2018 7:33:47 PM EDT
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Yeah, because all of that didn't exist in 1969, and that's the only reason we were able to go to the Moon. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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No. Get back to me after: -We have paid off the national debt. -Have gotten tens of millions of entitled motherfuckers to start pulling their weight. -Convinced one billion Muslims to settle down and leave us in peace. Let's get the bills paid, and then we can talk, okay? |
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Posted: 1/8/2018 7:34:08 PM EDT
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Staying on Earth is an argument of short-term profit-skimming politics against long-term capitalism and net economic profitability.
-it's premised on the idea that economic activity terminated at a midfuture point (by stellar expansion, GRB or big rock) is competitive against economic activity summed over greater time and the resources of more stars -it is the politically motivated government intervention of preserving meat-based life and landmarks as national parks, over the orders of magnitude GDP increase from converting the system mass to a Dyson swarm (with uploaded life inside) |
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Posted: 1/8/2018 7:34:20 PM EDT
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And you suggest this mass driver is less internationally concerning than nukes in space? And this spacecraft will be able to transit to the asteroid in the span of time between construction of mission after detection and impact of earth with nonnuclear propulsion? And the thruster will be attachable to the surface, to give vectored thrust in the proper vector? 100% guaranteed? Obviously prepositioning would be required, as would space based radars looking outward, not groundward. You think popping off a nuke at a 100kiloton (mass) asteroid is going to do a damn thing in space? Outside the atmosphere a nuke detonation would be pretty fucking boring. |
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Posted: 1/8/2018 7:35:05 PM EDT
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I'm conflicted. Part of me doesn't want to live on this planet anymore. The other part doesn't want to see the infection spread. 
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Posted: 1/8/2018 7:36:55 PM EDT
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If we stay here, we go extinct. Earth will be uninhabitable within 1,000,000,000 years. The universe, on the other hand, will not become uninhabitable for probably at least 10,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 years, if not quite a bit longer. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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We'd have to be because eventually the sun will get too close to be inhabitable. And the only way to the stars is lots of collectivism and debt. Still down?
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Posted: 1/8/2018 7:39:48 PM EDT
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Anyone who says it CANNOT happen is an idiot. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If we get to a point where not only have we colonized the solar system but the off-world colonies could actually survive the total destruction of Earth, we (as in some form of intelligent biological/technological life that can trace its history back to humans on Earth) probably won't go extinct until we start to bump up against the Heat Death of the universe. In my view, the biggest threat is nuclear war sometime in the next two hundred or so years. |
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Posted: 1/8/2018 7:39:53 PM EDT
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No matter who you've been talking to, we can't get there from here.
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Posted: 1/8/2018 7:40:55 PM EDT
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National debt in 1969 was $348 billion.That's $2.4 trillion in today's dollars. Our national debt right now is nine times greater than that. Let's get the bills paid, and then we can talk, okay? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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No. Get back to me after: -We have paid off the national debt. -Have gotten tens of millions of entitled motherfuckers to start pulling their weight. -Convinced one billion Muslims to settle down and leave us in peace. Let's get the bills paid, and then we can talk, okay? |
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Posted: 1/8/2018 7:41:12 PM EDT
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National debt in 1969 was $348 billion.That's $2.4 trillion in today's dollars. Our national debt right now is nine times greater than that. Let's get the bills paid, and then we can talk, okay? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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No. Get back to me after: -We have paid off the national debt. -Have gotten tens of millions of entitled motherfuckers to start pulling their weight. -Convinced one billion Muslims to settle down and leave us in peace. Let's get the bills paid, and then we can talk, okay? 
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Posted: 1/8/2018 7:45:59 PM EDT
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Forget religion, forget UFO's, and bigfoot. None of that is real. Forget all of the mythologies. What's really amazing is the human mind. It's worth saving. It's worth spreading out into the unknown. It can't die here. Do you agree? Yes. Exploring the infinite possibilities of existence is what we're supposed to be doing. Not going to school for 12+ years, working for 40+ years, then dying. The way we do things now is an incredible waste of our time, and potential. |
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Posted: 1/8/2018 7:47:27 PM EDT
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Well, also the extinction of this planet is certain. I'm reminded of the opening scene from Saving Private Ryan. You can't stay here. The thing about waiting for future generations to do it, is we never know when we might catch a setback while waiting in the lobby. I mean, even if an asteroid or super volcano doesn't hit us hard, our own mistakes might. There's no guarantee civilization doesn't hit a "dark ages" kind of setback. Many historians consider that 1000 year pause on human advancement. ...and it was completely a manmade setback. So you have to keep making forward motion. Because you never know. |
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Posted: 1/8/2018 7:47:55 PM EDT
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Obviously prepositioning would be required, as would space based radars looking outward, not groundward. You think popping off a nuke at a 100kiloton (mass) asteroid is going to do a damn thing in space? Outside the atmosphere a nuke detonation would be pretty fucking boring. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 1/8/2018 7:49:17 PM EDT
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Yes. Exploring the infinite possibilities of existence is what we're supposed to be doing. Not going to school for 12+ years, working for 40+ years, then dying. The way we do things now is an incredible waste of our time, and potential. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Forget religion, forget UFO's, and bigfoot. None of that is real. Forget all of the mythologies. What's really amazing is the human mind. It's worth saving. It's worth spreading out into the unknown. It can't die here. Do you agree? Yes. Exploring the infinite possibilities of existence is what we're supposed to be doing. Not going to school for 12+ years, working for 40+ years, then dying. The way we do things now is an incredible waste of our time, and potential.  Wait, why does everyone hate going to space now? 
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Posted: 1/8/2018 7:50:24 PM EDT
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Yes. Exploring the infinite possibilities of existence is what we're supposed to be doing. Not going to school for 12+ years, working for 40+ years, then dying. The way we do things now is an incredible waste of our time, and potential.  I'm sure the reality TV in Columbus' time was breathless with tales of his exploits.
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Posted: 1/8/2018 7:51:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: We won't, but the silver lining is that the super intelligent AI program that eventually destroys us before our sun goes nova will escape to the stars and tell other civilizations about the slugs that created him. 
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Posted: 1/8/2018 7:51:56 PM EDT
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Relevant to this thread and highly interesting in its own right:
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Posted: 1/8/2018 7:52:02 PM EDT
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Yep. I'm reminded of the opening scene from Saving Private Ryan. You can't stay here. The thing about waiting for future generations to do it, is we never know when we might catch a setback while waiting in the lobby. I mean, even if an asteroid or super volcano doesn't hit us hard, our own mistakes might. There's no guarantee civilization doesn't hit a "dark ages" kind of setback. Many historians consider that 1000 year pause on human advancement. ...and it was completely a manmade setback. So you have to keep making forward motion. Because you never know. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Well, also the extinction of this planet is certain. I'm reminded of the opening scene from Saving Private Ryan. You can't stay here. The thing about waiting for future generations to do it, is we never know when we might catch a setback while waiting in the lobby. I mean, even if an asteroid or super volcano doesn't hit us hard, our own mistakes might. There's no guarantee civilization doesn't hit a "dark ages" kind of setback. Many historians consider that 1000 year pause on human advancement. ...and it was completely a manmade setback. So you have to keep making forward motion. Because you never know. |
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