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Posted: 9/24/2023 8:44:04 AM EST
[#1]
Give those assholes no aid whatsoever...
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Posted: 9/24/2023 8:44:07 AM EST
[#2]
winning the war isn't profitable.
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Posted: 9/24/2023 8:45:54 AM EST
[#3]
Quote HistoryQuoted: winning the war isn't profitable. True enough. |
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Posted: 9/24/2023 8:46:54 AM EST
[#4]
Our country is 33 TRILLION dollars in debt. They can buy stuff from us but no more freebies.
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Posted: 9/24/2023 8:52:06 AM EST
[#5]
Sending the latest and greatest tanks, IFVs, or ATGMs is still not going to win the war for them. They need more air power. They do have some choppers and jets, but not enough.
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Posted: 9/24/2023 8:52:21 AM EST
[#6]
I have always been a 100% proponent of withdrawing all foreign aid from everywhere and spending those funds at home.
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Posted: 9/24/2023 8:53:33 AM EST
[#7]
Quote HistoryQuoted: winning the war isn't profitable. Exactly |
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Posted: 9/24/2023 9:05:11 AM EST
[#8]
OP, there is no wonder weapon that will finish this war. It would have been over in six weeks with Patton, Rommel or Zhukov in command of either side. Both sides have reverted to WW i war of attrition tactics. Like GWOT, the MIC wants it's profits and The Big Guy wants his 10% off the top, so it will go on and on.
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Posted: 9/24/2023 9:05:11 AM EST
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Posted: 9/24/2023 9:15:33 AM EST
[#10]
Quote HistoryQuoted: winning the war isn't profitable. No money to be made in the rebuilding, eh? |
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Posted: 9/24/2023 9:18:11 AM EST
[#11]
Protracted war was the plan. We pay the bills, they pay the price.
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Posted: 9/24/2023 9:18:12 AM EST
[#12]
Give them nothing. Sell them everything.
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Posted: 9/24/2023 9:18:33 AM EST
[#13]
Send them old hardware that we'd be disposing of in a near future anyway. We have plenty more M113s, Bradley's, etc that are collecting dust.
We can also switch to selling them more modern hardware, with payment coming out of the frozen Russian assets |
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Posted: 9/24/2023 9:23:04 AM EST
[#14]
Quote HistoryQuoted: No money to be made in the rebuilding, eh? That will come after this plays out. |
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Posted: 9/24/2023 9:24:04 AM EST
[#15]
Quote HistoryQuoted: winning the war isn't profitable. It will end when the appropriate Golden Parachute supply has been exhausted. |
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Posted: 9/24/2023 9:25:35 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No money to be made in the rebuilding, eh? Like nation building ? Look how profitable that has been in the past 50 years. |
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Posted: 9/24/2023 9:26:37 AM EST
[#17]
At this point, just keep dripping. The US already reached a no-turning-back point as a viable society and economy. Therefore, just drag everyone else together and end the whole thing. Better jump start China-Taiwan, China-India, Koreas, and whatnot and also donate to them.
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Posted: 9/24/2023 9:26:44 AM EST
[#18]
Fix title spelling, OP.
 Ukebros can start a go fund me and send their own $$$. |
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Posted: 9/24/2023 9:26:50 AM EST
[#19]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Give them nothing. Sell them everything. This |
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Posted: 9/24/2023 9:27:27 AM EST
[#20]
I support Ukraine as much as the next guy, but OP is on his own in regards to the nut-cutting. Their new ambassador might be down, though.
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Posted: 9/24/2023 9:27:31 AM EST
[#21]
We haven’t played to win since WWII
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Posted: 9/24/2023 9:28:14 AM EST
[#22]
the US ran wargames prior to the war, It invloved every scenario with ukraine loosing. so generally speaking based on data its not a good idea to start a proxy war. Why did so many youth from both countries have to die for some retarded people in washington. Putin also approached nato prior to the war and was snubbed. There was no reason for this war at all. Who in their right mind tries to start ww3 right after covid ended. rather than focus on the economy. I feel bad for the people of ukraine not their gov, same goes for russia.
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Posted: 9/24/2023 9:28:39 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No money to be made in the rebuilding, eh? Only if you’re Blackrock. https://thehill.com/policy/international/3790699-zelensky-agrees-to-ukraine-rebuild-investment-with-blackrock-ceo/ |
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Posted: 9/24/2023 9:29:42 AM EST
[#24]
We have been broke. Should a broke man go further into debt?
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Posted: 9/24/2023 9:31:28 AM EST
[#25]
I feel like we should be hitting them with a bill.
Its silly we spend tax payer money like water and have nothing to show for it. |
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Posted: 9/24/2023 9:32:53 AM EST
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: That will come after this plays out. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: No money to be made in the rebuilding, eh? That will come after this plays out. After someone wins? Meh, I'm being obtuse anyway.... it's the same people after all. 
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Posted: 9/24/2023 9:35:52 AM EST
[#27]
We should arm, for profit, both sides in every war everywhere. Destroying anyone that attacks us.
Profit, then use it to fund the takeover of the few survivor’s land and our expansion as a superpower. |
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Posted: 9/24/2023 9:50:36 AM EST
[#28]
Take land as part of payment for military aid.
Set up a military base on our new Property of the USA = fuck you to Russia for starting shit. Send plenty of Marines to help re-populate Ukraine. |
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Posted: 9/24/2023 10:01:17 AM EST
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: We haven’t played to win since WWII and we haven't really won since then either. |
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Posted: 9/24/2023 10:02:16 AM EST
[#30]
All of Europe is rearming and beating down our door to buy the latest in American weapon systems after seeing how our 30 year old junk performs against the best Russia can produce. We're reinvigorating our domestic arms industry, refreshing our weapons stockpiles, and crippling Russia's military all without losing a single American service member and making bank in the process. As long as Ukraine is willing to fight, send them everything they can use to drive out the Russians.
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Posted: 9/24/2023 10:02:57 AM EST
[#31]
Think we're sending a lot now? Wait for the hand out for the rebuilding.
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Posted: 9/24/2023 10:07:36 AM EST
[#32]
I don't really think you can really win wars in this day and age. Won't do what's needed. We spent 20 yrs in Afghanistan and I am not sure you can really call that a win.
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Posted: 9/24/2023 10:39:33 AM EST
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I have always been a 100% proponent of withdrawing all foreign aid from everywhere and spending those funds at home. |
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Posted: 9/24/2023 10:45:58 AM EST
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: winning the war isn't profitable. yes it would be: 1) you still have to replace the munitions you provide. Big money for defense contractors 2) decisive victory means lots of potential customers for the above defense contractors. Nothing drives a sale like a good demonstration 3) somebody will get the contract to clear all the UXO - big money for somebody 4) somebody will get the contract(s) to re-build Ukraine - more big money for somebody 5) Ukraine will be on the hook to buy stuff from whomever does 1-4, more money for somebody 6) Ukraine has oil and other minerals worth money - somebody will profit from extracting and selling it. so explain to me how winning isn't profitable? |
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Posted: 9/24/2023 10:49:39 AM EST
[#35]
Until we as a country send our young men over to die, there are people that won't be happy.
Europe needs to handle their Europe shit. THEY can die if they want to. |
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Posted: 9/24/2023 10:51:18 AM EST
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Take this one simple Ukrainian/Russian test for clarity of your conflict identity and motivation.
 The Klingon High Council turn their backs Honor,Shame or Profits ? |
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Posted: 9/24/2023 10:52:37 AM EST
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: All of Europe is rearming and beating down our door to buy the latest in American weapon systems after seeing how our 30 year old junk performs against the best Russia can produce. We're reinvigorating our domestic arms industry, refreshing our weapons stockpiles, and crippling Russia's military all without losing a single American service member and making bank in the process. As long as Ukraine is willing to fight, send them everything they can use to drive out the Russians.  Attached File |
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Posted: 9/24/2023 10:52:37 AM EST
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Until we as a country send our young men over to die, there are people that won't be happy. Europe needs to handle their Europe shit. THEY can die if they want to. |
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Posted: 9/24/2023 10:59:45 AM EST
[#39]
We are trillions in debt and literally giving money away to ukraine and 3rd world nations. We should have cut off all international aid decades ago. Most of those 3rd world shit holes hate us, anyways.
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Posted: 9/24/2023 11:09:06 AM EST
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Give them nothing. Sell them everything. |
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Posted: 9/24/2023 11:15:14 AM EST
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I have not seen what you are saying being posted by Ukraine supporters. I have seen it posted by the anti crowd in attempts to gain support to oppose aid to Ukraine. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Until we as a country send our young men over to die, there are people that won't be happy. Europe needs to handle their Europe shit. THEY can die if they want to.  Attached File |
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Posted: 9/24/2023 11:17:32 AM EST
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I have not seen what you are saying being posted by Ukraine supporters. I have seen it posted by the anti crowd in attempts to gain support to oppose aid to Ukraine. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Until we as a country send our young men over to die, there are people that won't be happy. Europe needs to handle their Europe shit. THEY can die if they want to. They [ukraine and short pants] aren't happy with everything else we have given them so far, it's like we OWE them. |
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Posted: 9/24/2023 11:20:54 AM EST
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: winning the war isn't profitable. Exactly... The fact that I'm even posting in such a goofy thread made my IQ drop by many... When will people wake up and see that it was NEVER about stopping Putin and/or helping Ukrainians...Just like most "operations" and/or "wars" of the past few decades, it's all about PROFIT Geesh... 
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Posted: 9/24/2023 11:23:49 AM EST
[#44]
Yea OP. Don't half ass it.
Send b2 and f22. Just gift em. Give em half of out cvbg too. And 10k tanks and bradys. Send 200k ground troops as well. It's all worth it if one Russian is dead. |
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Posted: 9/24/2023 11:23:57 AM EST
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: We should arm, for profit, both sides in every war everywhere. Destroying anyone that attacks us. Profit, then use it to fund the takeover of the few survivor’s land and our expansion as a superpower.  Attached File |
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Posted: 9/24/2023 11:25:59 AM EST
[#46]
I haven't supported financial aid to them ever. And my sense is that the Biden/Blinken administration doesn't want the war to end.
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Posted: 9/24/2023 11:26:46 AM EST
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Our country is 33 TRILLION dollars in debt. They can buy stuff from us but no more freebies. |
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Posted: 9/24/2023 11:27:36 AM EST
[#48]
Every dead Russian, jet/helicopter, tank, IFV, APC, truck, cruise missile, ship, sub, weapons stockpile, is another piece of Russian trash, Americans don't have to fight later.
Whether its in Russia's hands or some other Russian financed subordinate. We spend 100B in Ukraine and by most accounts half of Russia's modern military is destroyed. All the KA-50/52s, Mi-28s, T-80s, T-90s, Su-34, Su'27/35, TU-22s, S-400s, the Moskva, the rest of the Black Sea fleet, all that plus more...was, their best. They have no super fleet of brand new gear they have been holding in reserve. They are begging NK for 100MM shells to use in T-55s as arty. To me that $100B, is well spent. A huge portion of Russia's military is expended, and as far as we know, has cost us the lives of US military members. We blew $Trillions in Iraq and Afghanistan, and honestly almost nothing to show for, except for lives and treasure, wasted. Fuck Russia. |
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Posted: 9/24/2023 11:28:11 AM EST
[#49]
We should go back to Vietnam and Afghanistan and win those first. Did we win Iraq? I guess.
My own government seems pretty onerous |
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Posted: 9/24/2023 11:28:18 AM EST
[#50]
“Wether”?
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