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Posted: 5/8/2024 3:01:23 PM EST
[#1]
I have a PWS x39 upper that I use. I like it. Dont have (unfortunately) a full rifle, but I have 100% confidence in that upper.
I reaaaallly want their 308 rifle. |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 3:09:17 PM EST
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Love both of mine. They're basically identical. One in 300BO, the other 5.56.
 Eta: forgot to point out I only bought the uppers as I prefer Radian lowers. But they’ve been flawless. Great combo. |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 3:11:06 PM EST
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I have one that I like, very well made.
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Posted: 5/8/2024 3:12:37 PM EST
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I have been running PWS MK1s since 2011 at least once a week and used to run them 3-4 times a week.
They are not like most piston ARs which are muzzle heavy because the PWS piston design is very different, much lighter and neutrally balanced so they feel and weigh more like a DI AR I generally clean them every 6 months but have gone a year without cleaning, just forget as it does not need much upkeep. This encourages more training over a DI IMO at least for me For a while a friend would shoot mine want to buy it and I would sell it to them and buy a new one. So I was upgrading for almost nothing. I am down to 3 but generally only shoot my primary trainer a MK114 Mod 1 with a MK116 Mod2 upper on a Mod 1 lower as my SHTF reserve. They other just sits and is unfired. I do have DI guns and really like them but when you can shoot then just put a PWS in the safe with no cleaning it is really hard to want to bother with a DI, IMO |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 3:23:17 PM EST
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I bought an PWS upper many years ago (It's a quad rail) to run with a suppressor because convinced my how wonderful piston guns were.
Unfortunately at that time, I did not know anyone with a suppressor or a piston gun to stop me. I learned my lesson. Avoid pistons, stick with uppers that use standard BCG's, barrels, and gas blocks. At least with my other bad gun purchases, I could get most of my money out of it. Between heavy buffers and modifying their system to bleed off the excessive gas I did eventually get it where it was bearable to shoot. Then it was only heavy and inaccurate! YMMV, Maybe they are better now. |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 3:24:17 PM EST
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Love mine. Waiting for the UXR release.
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Posted: 5/8/2024 3:33:39 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I bought an PWS upper many years ago (It's a quad rail) to run with a suppressor because convinced my how wonderful piston guns were. Unfortunately at that time, I did not know anyone with a suppressor or a piston gun to stop me. I learned my lesson. Avoid pistons, stick with uppers that use standard BCG's, barrels, and gas blocks. At least with my other bad gun purchases, I could get most of my money out of it. Between heavy buffers and modifying their system to bleed off the excessive gas I did eventually get it where it was bearable to shoot. Then it was only heavy and inaccurate! YMMV, Maybe they are better now. Interesting. This seems to contradict most of what I see about these guns elsewhere. The piston system is said to reduce ejection port noise, reduce gas to the shooter's face, and keep the gun cleaner, and a lot of guys say the adjustable gas system is good for a variety of conditions. |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 3:34:55 PM EST
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Isn't that the loudener at the end of a stock SCAR 17S?
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Posted: 5/8/2024 3:49:22 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Interesting. This seems to contradict most of what I see about these guns elsewhere. The piston system is said to reduce ejection port noise, reduce gas to the shooter's face, and keep the gun cleaner, and a lot of guys say the adjustable gas system is good for a variety of conditions. In general: Unsuppressed? Yes Suppressed? No, not even close As the brass case ejects, it sucks all the gas and carbon trapped in the can, back through the breech and ejection port. So it still gets dirty. You can't really avoid that. Is it cleaner than if you were shooting a DI gun suppressed? Slightly, yes. Will it run longer between failures suppressed without maintenance? Probably. Is it in any way actually clean? No, fuck no. You're still going to be scrubbing the fuck out of it when you're done. My SCAR17 still gets fucking filthy after a couple hundred rounds, my BRN-180 still needs to get scrubbed and hosed out after a couple hundred rounds, my AUG still needs to get hosed and scrubbed out after a couple hundred rounds, so on so forth. Unsuppressed they're great; you almost don't even need to clean them at all. Put a can on them though...still dirty. Honestly I've pretty much gone back to DI for suppressed use. I've got a couple rifles I'm going to run until failure to see how far I can push them. The only appreciable change over "stock" either has (both 16" midlength carbines) is they both have full chrome BCGs. |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 4:09:47 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Interesting. This seems to contradict most of what I see about these guns elsewhere. The piston system is said to reduce ejection port noise, reduce gas to the shooter's face, and keep the gun cleaner, and a lot of guys say the adjustable gas system is good for a variety of conditions. I don't remember what year it was I got mine, but no adjustable gas block. Did I mention it's a quad rail :-) As mentioned above it gets extremely dirty, worse than DI with an adjustable gas block (IMHO) Between the epic "battlefield Las Vegas" thread and my own experience: No more pistons for me. |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 4:14:56 PM EST
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I had the MK111 Pro upper and it was okay.
It had more recoil impulse than my DI AR's on the setting it needed to function well suppressed. It was just as dirty shooting suppressed as my DI guns. The kicker for me was the gas block started rusting within 6 months of owning it. |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 4:20:19 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: In general: Unsuppressed? Yes Suppressed? No, not even close As the brass case ejects, it sucks all the gas and carbon trapped in the can, back through the breech and ejection port. So it still gets dirty. You can't really avoid that. Is it cleaner than if you were shooting a DI gun suppressed? Slightly, yes. Will it run longer between failures suppressed without maintenance? Probably. Is it in any way actually clean? No, fuck no. You're still going to be scrubbing the fuck out of it when you're done. My SCAR17 still gets fucking filthy after a couple hundred rounds, my BRN-180 still needs to get scrubbed and hosed out after a couple hundred rounds, my AUG still needs to get hosed and scrubbed out after a couple hundred rounds, so on so forth. Unsuppressed they're great; you almost don't even need to clean them at all. Put a can on them though...still dirty. Honestly I've pretty much gone back to DI for suppressed use. I've got a couple rifles I'm going to run until failure to see how far I can push them. The only appreciable change over "stock" either has (both 16" midlength carbines) is they both have full chrome BCGs. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Interesting. This seems to contradict most of what I see about these guns elsewhere. The piston system is said to reduce ejection port noise, reduce gas to the shooter's face, and keep the gun cleaner, and a lot of guys say the adjustable gas system is good for a variety of conditions. In general: Unsuppressed? Yes Suppressed? No, not even close As the brass case ejects, it sucks all the gas and carbon trapped in the can, back through the breech and ejection port. So it still gets dirty. You can't really avoid that. Is it cleaner than if you were shooting a DI gun suppressed? Slightly, yes. Will it run longer between failures suppressed without maintenance? Probably. Is it in any way actually clean? No, fuck no. You're still going to be scrubbing the fuck out of it when you're done. My SCAR17 still gets fucking filthy after a couple hundred rounds, my BRN-180 still needs to get scrubbed and hosed out after a couple hundred rounds, my AUG still needs to get hosed and scrubbed out after a couple hundred rounds, so on so forth. Unsuppressed they're great; you almost don't even need to clean them at all. Put a can on them though...still dirty. Honestly I've pretty much gone back to DI for suppressed use. I've got a couple rifles I'm going to run until failure to see how far I can push them. The only appreciable change over "stock" either has (both 16" midlength carbines) is they both have full chrome BCGs. Experienced the same with my SCAR 16 using a Legacy Surefire FA556-212. After a few hundred rounds, the inside of my tan receiver would be solid black. |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 4:24:56 PM EST
[#13]
Two editions of their uppers.. run like trucks no problems and decently accurate..
Adjustable piston is nice with suppressor |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 4:30:28 PM EST
[#14]
I’m sure their products and quality are fine. Never owned any of their stuff.
One of the first brands I remember when I got into ARs around 2011. Honestly, kind of forgot about them. I don’t see their name pop up that much. |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 4:32:02 PM EST
[#15]
I have one. I forget the model #, but i love it.
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Posted: 5/8/2024 4:46:39 PM EST
[#16]
I want one of those UXRs big time.
 I could swear the owner was a member here. |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 4:47:17 PM EST
[#17]
My suppressed BRN-180 is the bees knees...
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Posted: 5/8/2024 4:54:22 PM EST
[#18]
Made in Idaho.
From guns to ammo to knives to hops and potatoes....Everything from Idaho is great !! Seriously....PWS is good stuff. Up there with LaRue, Noveske. Etc. . |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 4:58:52 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I had the MK111 Pro upper and it was okay. It had more recoil impulse than my DI AR's on the setting it needed to function well suppressed. It was just as dirty shooting suppressed as my DI guns. The kicker for me was the gas block started rusting within 6 months of owning it. My experience is the opposite, my MK111 pro upper is noticeable smoother shooting than my DI upper whether suppressed or unsuppressed. YMMV |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 5:11:52 PM EST
[#20]
PWS rocks. I have owned a bunch and ALL were great
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Posted: 5/8/2024 5:14:03 PM EST
[#21]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I have a PWS x39 upper that I use. I like it. Dont have (unfortunately) a full rifle, but I have 100% confidence in that upper. I reaaaallly want their 308 rifle. I have the x39 on a RR and it runs. Put on suppressor gas setting and it runs fine too. |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 5:59:29 PM EST
[#22]
It’s probably my next purchase. I’ve been jonesing over a x39. I’ve got a PSA x39 upper that runs like top and everyone says it’s a unicorn because all the others they’ve seen don’t.
I’ve run it on my buddies RR a bunch and it never skips a beat with cheap ammo. Anyways, it’s 16” long and I’m wanting a shorter one and will go PWS. |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 6:05:37 PM EST
[#23]
 The PWS TFL - Tactical Forearm Lengthener |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 6:14:27 PM EST
[#24]
MK107 and MK111 both running great
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Posted: 5/8/2024 6:22:28 PM EST
[#25]
I have a PWS Mk111 Mod2. It feels really light in the hand and is very pleasant to shoot suppressed.
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Posted: 5/8/2024 6:24:01 PM EST
[#26]
I like mine. Staying in my collection.
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Posted: 5/8/2024 6:25:43 PM EST
[#27]
I have the 16" and 10.5" BRN 180 which run fine. I also had one the original PWS piston uppers that had a ton of problems. They replaced it twice and then started inferring that I was doing something wrong with it….nope, just shooting it.
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Posted: 5/8/2024 6:33:16 PM EST
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Posted: 5/8/2024 10:57:18 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't remember what year it was I got mine, but no adjustable gas block. Did I mention it's a quad rail :-) As mentioned above it gets extremely dirty, worse than DI with an adjustable gas block (IMHO) Between the epic "battlefield Las Vegas" thread and my own experience: No more pistons for me. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Interesting. This seems to contradict most of what I see about these guns elsewhere. The piston system is said to reduce ejection port noise, reduce gas to the shooter's face, and keep the gun cleaner, and a lot of guys say the adjustable gas system is good for a variety of conditions. I don't remember what year it was I got mine, but no adjustable gas block. Did I mention it's a quad rail :-) As mentioned above it gets extremely dirty, worse than DI with an adjustable gas block (IMHO) Between the epic "battlefield Las Vegas" thread and my own experience: No more pistons for me. The BLV threads are cool, but when he groups everything into 416 style guns and “everything else,” it’s hard to get any value from that if he’s not being specific. |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 11:00:55 PM EST
[#30]
I have a sbr PWS Diablo in x39. Runs like a raped ape.
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Posted: 5/9/2024 1:07:27 AM EST
[#31]
I had one of their Modern Muskets and it was a great build from them. Sold it and should have kept her.
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Posted: 5/9/2024 1:22:46 AM EST
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Love both of mine. They're basically identical. One in 300BO, the other 5.56. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/261993/20230308_095138-3208909.jpg Eta: forgot to point out I only bought the uppers as I prefer Radian lowers. But they’ve been flawless. Great combo. battery acog = winning |
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Posted: 5/9/2024 8:38:01 AM EST
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: My experience is the opposite, my MK111 pro upper is noticeable smoother shooting than my DI upper whether suppressed or unsuppressed. YMMV Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I had the MK111 Pro upper and it was okay. It had more recoil impulse than my DI AR's on the setting it needed to function well suppressed. It was just as dirty shooting suppressed as my DI guns. The kicker for me was the gas block started rusting within 6 months of owning it. My experience is the opposite, my MK111 pro upper is noticeable smoother shooting than my DI upper whether suppressed or unsuppressed. YMMV I'm trying to figure out how some of these comparisons work. PWSs have adjustable gas blocks, but are we comparing them to old school carbine length gas system 16" DI guns, mid length DI guns, SBRs, or DI guns that also have adjustable gas systems? Or, is the difference so close that we're the argument is over nothing? |
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Posted: 5/9/2024 11:24:54 AM EST
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm trying to figure out how some of these comparisons work. PWSs have adjustable gas blocks, but are we comparing them to old school carbine length gas system 16" DI guns, mid length DI guns, SBRs, or DI guns that also have adjustable gas systems? Or, is the difference so close that we're the argument is over nothing? I want to say mine had a suppressed/unsuppressed switch…? It's been maybe 15 or 16 years ago or so and honestly I'm not sure. IIRC the gas block cracked twice and they replaced it without and questions. The 3rd time it cracked they did get a little shitty about it, inferring that I was doing something wrong. The only this I was doing was shooting it albeit I was running it fairly hard….maybe 4-500 rd sessions over 3 hours? It was the 10.5" and I most always ran it with a can. They ended up refunding me my money. In their defense they were easy to work with and the upper seemed to be high quality….if the gas bloack didn't keep cracking. lol. Again this was when they first put this out and my guess was R&D was still ongoing at the time. I will say that while I like the BRB180 shorty it's starting get a little wonky with some failures to extract and slow extraction….I havn't really looked at it hard to see hats up and I need to. |
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Posted: 5/9/2024 4:12:29 PM EST
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I want to say mine had a suppressed/unsuppressed switch…? It's been maybe 15 or 16 years ago or so and honestly I'm not sure. IIRC the gas block cracked twice and they replaced it without and questions. The 3rd time it cracked they did get a little shitty about it, inferring that I was doing something wrong. The only this I was doing was shooting it albeit I was running it fairly hard….maybe 4-500 rd sessions over 3 hours? It was the 10.5" and I most always ran it with a can. They ended up refunding me my money. In their defense they were easy to work with and the upper seemed to be high quality….if the gas bloack didn't keep cracking. lol. Again this was when they first put this out and my guess was R&D was still ongoing at the time. I will say that while I like the BRB180 shorty it's starting get a little wonky with some failures to extract and slow extraction….I havn't really looked at it hard to see hats up and I need to. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I'm trying to figure out how some of these comparisons work. PWSs have adjustable gas blocks, but are we comparing them to old school carbine length gas system 16" DI guns, mid length DI guns, SBRs, or DI guns that also have adjustable gas systems? Or, is the difference so close that we're the argument is over nothing? I want to say mine had a suppressed/unsuppressed switch…? It's been maybe 15 or 16 years ago or so and honestly I'm not sure. IIRC the gas block cracked twice and they replaced it without and questions. The 3rd time it cracked they did get a little shitty about it, inferring that I was doing something wrong. The only this I was doing was shooting it albeit I was running it fairly hard….maybe 4-500 rd sessions over 3 hours? It was the 10.5" and I most always ran it with a can. They ended up refunding me my money. In their defense they were easy to work with and the upper seemed to be high quality….if the gas bloack didn't keep cracking. lol. Again this was when they first put this out and my guess was R&D was still ongoing at the time. I will say that while I like the BRB180 shorty it's starting get a little wonky with some failures to extract and slow extraction….I havn't really looked at it hard to see hats up and I need to. Man... 15 years ago feels like a weirdly long time in AR world. On one hand, we're shooting guns that were designed 65+ years ago, but there have been so many shifts and refinements in the industry in the last decade or so. |
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Posted: 5/9/2024 4:20:04 PM EST
[#36]
PWS is Noveske but without all the hipster faggot shit. |
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Posted: 5/9/2024 4:36:22 PM EST
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: PWS is Noveske but without all the hipster faggot shit. Or the NSW contracts. |
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Posted: 5/9/2024 4:43:00 PM EST
[#38]
I love my Mk116 5.56.
 It's soft shooting, extremely accurate, and digests steel case like a champ. It's the only AR I still own, I sold the others. |
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Posted: 5/9/2024 5:39:07 PM EST
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I love my Mk116 5.56. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/129976/8CAEE83D-79B8-48C7-9851-B9DFD24EC702-808260.jpg It's soft shooting, extremely accurate, and digests steel case like a champ. It's the only AR I still own, I sold the others. Love mine too. Good soft shooting quality gun and plenty accurate. It's a keeper. |
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Posted: 5/9/2024 5:46:15 PM EST
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Two editions of their uppers.. run like trucks no problems and decently accurate.. Adjustable piston is nice with suppressor Agree. I own two with adjustable blocks in 556 and love the gun. |
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Posted: 5/9/2024 5:53:14 PM EST
[#41]
This isn't the thread to debate the merits of piston vs. di, but the highly regarded denizens of GD will do it anyway
I've had a couple PWS uppers and a few brn180's (made by pws) as well, all have been quality with no major issues Their customer support has always been good about answering questions or getting replacement parts out if something broke or even proactively offering replacements for upgrades That said, PWS was acquired last year which always makes me leery of changes for the worse ... https://www.ar15.com/forums/AR-15/PWS-company-sold-/126-780417/ They just announced a new rifle platform at SHOT show 2024 called the UXR that I'm going to give a try this year https://www.primaryweapons.com/firearms/uxr/ 
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Posted: 5/9/2024 9:15:54 PM EST
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: This isn't the thread to debate the merits of piston vs. di, but the highly regarded denizens of GD will do it anyway I've had a couple PWS uppers and a few brn180's (made by pws) as well, all have been quality with no major issues Their customer support has always been good about answering questions or getting replacement parts out if something broke or even proactively offering replacements for upgrades That said, PWS was acquired last year which always makes me leery of changes for the worse ... https://www.ar15.com/forums/AR-15/PWS-company-sold-/126-780417/ They just announced a new rifle platform at SHOT show 2024 called the UXR that I'm going to give a try this year https://www.primaryweapons.com/firearms/uxr/ https://www.primaryweapons.com/media/wysiwyg/UXR-xchange-diagram_1.jpg It’s kind of weird when you think about it, but a good portion of the gun industry has changed hands in the last few years. I think most of those companies have fared alright, but it’s maybe more concerning when it’s a smaller, independent company that had a particular focus. |
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Posted: 5/10/2024 8:41:39 AM EST
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I bought an PWS upper many years ago (It's a quad rail) to run with a suppressor because convinced my how wonderful piston guns were. Unfortunately at that time, I did not know anyone with a suppressor or a piston gun to stop me. I learned my lesson. Avoid pistons, stick with uppers that use standard BCG's, barrels, and gas blocks. At least with my other bad gun purchases, I could get most of my money out of it. Between heavy buffers and modifying their system to bleed off the excessive gas I did eventually get it where it was bearable to shoot. Then it was only heavy and inaccurate! YMMV, Maybe they are better now. Back in my contracting days we had PWS Mk1xx Mod0’s. They ran very well but didn’t suppress for shit and the stainless barrels were smoked FAST. Also, the quad rail turned into a heat sink. The Mod1/Mod2 is significantly improved and suppress very well. |
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Posted: 5/10/2024 8:44:20 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I want to say mine had a suppressed/unsuppressed switch…? It's been maybe 15 or 16 years ago or so and honestly I'm not sure. IIRC the gas block cracked twice and they replaced it without and questions. The 3rd time it cracked they did get a little shitty about it, inferring that I was doing something wrong. The only this I was doing was shooting it albeit I was running it fairly hard….maybe 4-500 rd sessions over 3 hours? It was the 10.5" and I most always ran it with a can. They ended up refunding me my money. In their defense they were easy to work with and the upper seemed to be high quality….if the gas bloack didn't keep cracking. lol. Again this was when they first put this out and my guess was R&D was still ongoing at the time. I will say that while I like the BRB180 shorty it's starting get a little wonky with some failures to extract and slow extraction….I havn't really looked at it hard to see hats up and I need to. If it had keymod it had an adjustable gas block. Quad rail was the Mod0 without any adjustments. |
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Posted: 5/10/2024 8:50:15 AM EST
[#45]
Quote HistoryIs this made by PWS? eta: consensus is yes. Interdasting. |
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Posted: 5/10/2024 8:54:54 AM EST
[#46]
Quote HistoryMine had some failures to go into battery, finally kaboomed. That was the bad part. PWS immediately sent me a return label, sorted it out, rebuilt the upper, no charge. That was the good part. Stellar customer service, no complaints. |
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Posted: 5/10/2024 8:56:37 AM EST
[#47]
I have one. Smoothest shooting AR I have.
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Posted: 5/10/2024 8:58:07 AM EST
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My only other experience: years ago at NW multigun, PWS supplied a full auto SBR stage gun. Every shooter was given 60 rounds for the stage. 10-12 shooters per squad, 10 squads. That gun ran hard full auto continuously, ran like a raped ape. Very impressive.
Meanwhile on stage 1, the SCAR broke and they closed the stage after the first day. The FN guy couldn't get it running again. Nothing to do with PWS, but the contrast in reliability cured my SCAR fever. |
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Posted: 5/10/2024 9:00:06 AM EST
[#49]
Potato pic of my woods companions. Carried a lot shot very little.
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Posted: 5/10/2024 9:14:29 AM EST
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This is the PWS I’m waiting for.
Quote HistoryQuoted: My only other experience: years ago at NW multigun, PWS supplied a full auto SBR stage gun. Every shooter was given 60 rounds for the stage. 10-12 shooters per squad, 10 squads. That gun ran hard full auto continuously, ran like a raped ape. Very impressive. Meanwhile on stage 1, the SCAR broke and they closed the stage after the first day. The FN guy couldn't get it running again. Nothing to do with PWS, but the contrast in reliability cured my SCAR fever. I wouldn’t put too much stock in a sample size of one. The SCAR is one of the most durable and reliable platforms out there but don’t take my word for it, listen to CombatDiver and Henderson defense. |
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