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Posted: 3/8/2022 11:11:19 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I thought about it the other day...i would think this is one of those crazy scenarios that at some point the airlines had to have planned for....definitely back in the day. Id imagine you go land in a desolate place and figure shit out from that point. Lol. I'm pretty sure the pilots and dispatch don't even look at the local weather prior to calling for taxi. |
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Posted: 3/8/2022 11:12:51 AM EDT
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Quoted: Started thinking about this...since well...who knows these days. Lets say you are a pilot...you are a few hundred souls on board....all is well...no turbulence....no drama....passengers are having an uneventful trip.....and then you get the radio chatter....it happened....and its happening. Maybe you see it from the cockpit. What do you do now? You have to land somewhere....where are you going? Is there actually established protocol for this situation? What does the book say to do? I believe this was covered in Jericho |
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Posted: 3/8/2022 11:15:24 AM EDT
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If it's just the one, and thirty seconds or so after the flash the plane hasn't been compromised by the overpressure wave, then it's probably not going to be too complicated.
It's certainly not a binary event. Probability rack and stack of sustained line of sight with flash that could have compromised flight crew vision, distance from thermal, eventual overpressure magnitude, direction of overpressure, some possible electronic complications, alternates, comms, et cetera. |
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Posted: 3/8/2022 11:15:50 AM EDT
[#4]
Commercial Jets are all fly by wire, and will crash if you dont turn off your cell phone.
I'm sure a nuclear EMP would not be devastating... |
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Posted: 3/8/2022 11:23:17 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You do realize the airplane is surrounded by metallic aluminum? Just like most cars the overwhelming number of them will survive emp (cars >95%) shockwave is the big threat for a near ground burst. 
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Posted: 3/8/2022 11:25:39 AM EDT
[#6]
Crash
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Posted: 3/8/2022 11:38:08 AM EDT
[#7]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If I were the pilot, I’d start inventory of my “pretty good time in Vegas” survival kit. “Five prophylactics, two pair nylon hose…”  Major Kong - Survival Kit Contents Check |
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Posted: 3/8/2022 12:10:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You forgot about the twin Detonics in a shoulder holster. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Covered in The Survivalist, Book 1. Belly land in the desert and hike someplace to steal a Harley. You forgot about the twin Detonics in a shoulder holster. He had those in the cargo hold. He was returning from teaching a class in Canada. |
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Posted: 3/8/2022 12:11:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Where is that button at? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Jettison passengers, keep the hotties, hit a small muni airport with a buffet at the fbo, borrow the fuel truck, and go to central america or easter island with your new plane? Where is that button at? Two buttons to the left of the chemtrails button. |
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Posted: 3/8/2022 12:33:46 PM EDT
[#10]
Kamikaze the nearest ATF field office.
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Posted: 3/8/2022 12:39:40 PM EDT
[#11]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Plane will lose all function, results of blast EMP......he'll be trying to fly a brick Laughs in Bearskin Airways |
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Posted: 3/8/2022 12:41:40 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/8/2022 12:46:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Plane will lose all function, results of blast EMP......he'll be trying to fly a brick Airbuses for sure. I am a Boeing man... 
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Posted: 3/8/2022 12:49:51 PM EDT
[#14]
Head to Rio.
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Posted: 3/8/2022 12:53:20 PM EDT
[#15]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I thought about it the other day...i would think this is one of those crazy scenarios that at some point the airlines had to have planned for....definitely back in the day. Id imagine you go land in a desolate place and figure shit out from that point. I believe it’s SOP to bend over and kiss your ass goodbye. |
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Posted: 3/8/2022 12:59:16 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/8/2022 1:08:06 PM EDT
[#17]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I believe this was covered in Jericho Indeed: On the way to Wichita, Kansas, Jake encounters an abandoned Boeing 757 airliner that apparently made an emergency landing on the highway. The plane landed without suffering significant visible damage and deployed its emergency evacuation slides, but the passengers are not to be found. Nearby is the wreckage of a regional jet, which crashed with a presumable loss of all passengers and crew. Jake retrieves thecockpit voice recorder from the crashed plane and returns to Jericho. At the Sheriff's Office, after the children are escorted from the room, the tape from the recorder is played. The recording reveals a desperate, chaotic situation in the air. Pilots report seeing mushroom clouds inDenver, Kansas City, and Dallas. They also report seeing military aircraft traveling at high speeds at various locations throughout the airspace over the country. All communication with air traffic control has been lost, and planes are flying without guidance as their fuel supplies dwindle. Some pilots decide to attempt landings on highways and in fields. The tape cuts off as the pilots of the commuter plane realize that they will crash. However, Jake discovers that Emily's fiancé, feared dead, may have survived, as part of the transmission reveals that his plane made a successful emergency landing in a field in Nebraska. https://jericho.fandom.com/wiki/Four_Horsemen |
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Posted: 3/8/2022 1:19:34 PM EDT
[#18]
Enact my plan to take over North Sentinel island.
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Posted: 3/8/2022 1:23:39 PM EDT
[#19]
In case of EWO, we go to RIO.
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Posted: 3/8/2022 1:26:12 PM EDT
[#20]
1) Depending on the proximity to the blast. Slow to maneuvering speed.
2) Check fuel and projected range. Find a small airfield upwind and away from a major metro area. 3) If Mexico or Canada was an option. Burn hard for there. |
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Posted: 3/8/2022 1:28:57 PM EDT
[#21]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Plane will lose all function, results of blast EMP......he'll be trying to fly a brick The CRJ 900 I used to fly could take a direct hit from lightning and still keep going. The electronics would be…….strange after. But it was still flyable. All modern airliners have this ability. |
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Posted: 3/8/2022 1:38:09 PM EDT
[#22]
Firstly, the female copilot would be blinded. She didn’t listen.
I spent 6 years in SAC fondling nukes. I can tell you there was never a plan what one should do if inbound nukes were expected at the base. As in, there literally was not a plan, it was never even discussed. SAC planned everything, EVERYTHING, there was no plan for inbound nukes. Getting nuke assets off the ground isn’t what I’m talking about. I’m talking about everyone who didn’t fly off with a full load. I always assumed it was either because command thought it was pointless to even discuss, or they didn’t think it was possible that they’d be able to pull it off. |
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Posted: 3/8/2022 1:44:11 PM EDT
[#23]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Indeed: On the way to Wichita, Kansas, Jake encounters an abandoned Boeing 757 airliner that apparently made an emergency landing on the highway. The plane landed without suffering significant visible damage and deployed its emergency evacuation slides, but the passengers are not to be found. Nearby is the wreckage of a regional jet, which crashed with a presumable loss of all passengers and crew. Jake retrieves thecockpit voice recorder from the crashed plane and returns to Jericho. At the Sheriff's Office, after the children are escorted from the room, the tape from the recorder is played. The recording reveals a desperate, chaotic situation in the air. Pilots report seeing mushroom clouds inDenver, Kansas City, and Dallas. They also report seeing military aircraft traveling at high speeds at various locations throughout the airspace over the country. All communication with air traffic control has been lost, and planes are flying without guidance as their fuel supplies dwindle. Some pilots decide to attempt landings on highways and in fields. The tape cuts off as the pilots of the commuter plane realize that they will crash. However, Jake discovers that Emily's fiancé, feared dead, may have survived, as part of the transmission reveals that his plane made a successful emergency landing in a field in Nebraska. https://jericho.fandom.com/wiki/Four_Horsemen Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I believe this was covered in Jericho Indeed: On the way to Wichita, Kansas, Jake encounters an abandoned Boeing 757 airliner that apparently made an emergency landing on the highway. The plane landed without suffering significant visible damage and deployed its emergency evacuation slides, but the passengers are not to be found. Nearby is the wreckage of a regional jet, which crashed with a presumable loss of all passengers and crew. Jake retrieves thecockpit voice recorder from the crashed plane and returns to Jericho. At the Sheriff's Office, after the children are escorted from the room, the tape from the recorder is played. The recording reveals a desperate, chaotic situation in the air. Pilots report seeing mushroom clouds inDenver, Kansas City, and Dallas. They also report seeing military aircraft traveling at high speeds at various locations throughout the airspace over the country. All communication with air traffic control has been lost, and planes are flying without guidance as their fuel supplies dwindle. Some pilots decide to attempt landings on highways and in fields. The tape cuts off as the pilots of the commuter plane realize that they will crash. However, Jake discovers that Emily's fiancé, feared dead, may have survived, as part of the transmission reveals that his plane made a successful emergency landing in a field in Nebraska. https://jericho.fandom.com/wiki/Four_Horsemen At this point we learn that Hollywood writers think that the CVR is a cassette tape that the local sheriff would be able to play. Seems like a poor information source. |
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Posted: 3/8/2022 1:47:52 PM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Commercial Jets are all fly by wire, and will crash if you dont turn off your cell phone. I'm sure a nuclear EMP would not be devastating...  Attached File |
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Posted: 3/8/2022 1:50:31 PM EDT
[#25]
If I had the fuel, I would be looking to land in the Bahamas or Caribbean Islands.
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Posted: 3/8/2022 1:54:23 PM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Plane will lose all function, results of blast EMP......he'll be trying to fly a brick If you are close enough to be affected by the blast EMP, you are inside the blast radius. Moot. |
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Posted: 3/8/2022 2:18:29 PM EDT
[#27]
Everybody saying “Caribbean Island” doesn’t understand how those islands work.
They’re not self-sustaining, all food and supplies and fuel gets brought in by boat or air. They’re all little resort communities that are in no way prepared for a natural disaster, let alone the aftermath of a global nuclear war. Why do you think everyone evacuate the minute hurricane is spotted? You’ll starve to death or be killed off by the natives in a few weeks, fighting over scraps. |
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Posted: 3/8/2022 2:30:42 PM EDT
[#28]
Check fuel levels to see if there is enough to get over Macho Grande.
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Posted: 3/8/2022 2:32:38 PM EDT
[#29]
This is what the Esienhower Interstate System was designed for.
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Posted: 3/8/2022 2:37:15 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Your FO might suddenly decide he's got an equal voice in the cockpit hierarchy and you might not have an easy time buffaloing him into forsaking his own family in his hometown while you take it upon yourself to strand him and everyone else where you live. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: It just became a dog-eat-dog world. First thing I'll do is see if I have the range to fly it back to any suitable airport nearest my home. Passengers can fend for themselves. I'm going home to take care of my family. Your FO might suddenly decide he's got an equal voice in the cockpit hierarchy and you might not have an easy time buffaloing him into forsaking his own family in his hometown while you take it upon yourself to strand him and everyone else where you live. Chances are he has the same domicile as me and wants to get there too. If not, then he just got out-voted by my .40. |
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Posted: 3/8/2022 2:47:47 PM EDT
[#31]
Quoted: Started thinking about this...since well...who knows these days. What does the book say to do? 1st you put on the the "Fasten Your Seat Belt" sign 2nd you suspend cabin service 3rd you reiterate that no smoking is allowed in the bathrooms 4th You remind everyone to keep on their COVID masks 5th The stewardess quietly go around the cabin asking if their are any nuclear engineers on board. |
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Posted: 3/8/2022 3:35:36 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: 1st you put on the the "Fasten Your Seat Belt" sign 2nd you suspend cabin service 3rd you reiterate that no smoking is allowed in the bathrooms 4th You remind everyone to keep on their COVID masks 5th The stewardess quietly go around the cabin asking if their are any nuclear engineers on board. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Started thinking about this...since well...who knows these days. What does the book say to do? 1st you put on the the "Fasten Your Seat Belt" sign 2nd you suspend cabin service 3rd you reiterate that no smoking is allowed in the bathrooms 4th You remind everyone to keep on their COVID masks 5th The stewardess quietly go around the cabin asking if their are any nuclear engineers on board. Don't forget to turn off the inflight entertainment system. |
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Posted: 3/8/2022 3:43:36 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Everybody saying “Caribbean Island” doesn’t understand how those islands work. They’re not self-sustaining, all food and supplies and fuel gets brought in by boat or air. They’re all little resort communities that are in no way prepared for a natural disaster, let alone the aftermath of a global nuclear war. Why do you think everyone evacuate the minute hurricane is spotted? You’ll starve to death or be killed off by the natives in a few weeks, fighting over scraps. This. You might be on the menu even without Nuclear war. With war, it’s an absolute certainty. |
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Posted: 3/8/2022 3:46:49 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: At this point we learn that Hollywood writers think that the CVR is a cassette tape that the local sheriff would be able to play. Seems like a poor information source. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I believe this was covered in Jericho Indeed: On the way to Wichita, Kansas, Jake encounters an abandoned Boeing 757 airliner that apparently made an emergency landing on the highway. The plane landed without suffering significant visible damage and deployed its emergency evacuation slides, but the passengers are not to be found. Nearby is the wreckage of a regional jet, which crashed with a presumable loss of all passengers and crew. Jake retrieves thecockpit voice recorder from the crashed plane and returns to Jericho. At the Sheriff's Office, after the children are escorted from the room, the tape from the recorder is played. The recording reveals a desperate, chaotic situation in the air. Pilots report seeing mushroom clouds inDenver, Kansas City, and Dallas. They also report seeing military aircraft traveling at high speeds at various locations throughout the airspace over the country. All communication with air traffic control has been lost, and planes are flying without guidance as their fuel supplies dwindle. Some pilots decide to attempt landings on highways and in fields. The tape cuts off as the pilots of the commuter plane realize that they will crash. However, Jake discovers that Emily's fiancé, feared dead, may have survived, as part of the transmission reveals that his plane made a successful emergency landing in a field in Nebraska. https://jericho.fandom.com/wiki/Four_Horsemen At this point we learn that Hollywood writers think that the CVR is a cassette tape that the local sheriff would be able to play. Seems like a poor information source. Well…,it was part of the cleverly written scipt… |
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Posted: 3/8/2022 3:51:24 PM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
If you're within 5-10 miles you're toast. All the electronics in the plane would be fried by the subsequent EMP. |
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Posted: 3/8/2022 3:58:44 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Maddog for the win! Fuck your fly-by-wire shit lol (Hopefully it’s a VFR day though since the FMS etc. is still vulnerable) 
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Posted: 3/8/2022 4:01:48 PM EDT
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survivable, look at the enola gay. Don't let them look up the B-17Gs that were made remote control and flown into and around nuclear blasts and then landed to receive test data. |
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Posted: 3/8/2022 4:20:05 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Don't forget to turn off the inflight entertainment system. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Started thinking about this...since well...who knows these days. What does the book say to do? 1st you put on the the "Fasten Your Seat Belt" sign 2nd you suspend cabin service 3rd you reiterate that no smoking is allowed in the bathrooms 4th You remind everyone to keep on their COVID masks 5th The stewardess quietly go around the cabin asking if their are any nuclear engineers on board. Don't forget to turn off the inflight entertainment system. And return all seat backs up….if they are reclined it is certain death for rows 11-38. That and anyone with a carryon on the floor in the bulkhead row immediately died after the first blast Airline rules are such commie nonsense…. |
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Posted: 3/8/2022 4:30:39 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/8/2022 5:15:07 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Check fuel levels to see if there is enough to get over Macho Grande. "Over Macho Grande?" |
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Posted: 3/9/2022 8:13:28 AM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Covered in The Survivalist, Book 1. Belly land in the desert and hike someplace to steal a Harley. While being sure to not lose your Detonics custom .45 & Milt Sparks holster. |
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Posted: 3/9/2022 1:03:33 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Check fuel levels to see if there is enough to get over Macho Grande. |
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Posted: 3/9/2022 1:23:43 PM EDT
[#43]
OP has way too much idle time on his hands....
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Posted: 3/9/2022 1:31:21 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If you are close enough to be affected by the blast EMP, you are inside the blast radius. Moot. Uhhhh, nope. Not even close. |
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Posted: 3/9/2022 1:31:56 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Chances are he has the same domicile as me and wants to get there too. If not, then he just got out-voted by my .40. That's a real CRM foul. All I know is its likely happening on the go-home leg. |
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Posted: 3/9/2022 1:32:39 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Shhhhh, let them keep believing their EMP stories. Tell us you don't know how nuclear weapons can be set up to produce different effects without telling us. |
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Posted: 3/9/2022 1:34:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Lands on the nearest treadmill? |
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Posted: 3/9/2022 1:43:40 PM EDT
[#48]
See if their is enough fuel to make it to the Bahamas or Mexico.
Belly land on the beach, sell plane for scrap, once everyone is to shore enjoy a margarita
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Posted: 3/9/2022 1:44:57 PM EDT
[#49]
What's the risk of being blinded by the flash at high altitude even if you are far away?
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Posted: 3/9/2022 1:47:17 PM EDT
[#50]
While I don't know for certain, I'd wager that particular checklist is located pretty far back in "The Airline Pilots' Big Book Of Shit That Can Go Wrong."
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