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Posted: 5/11/2024 11:32:08 AM EDT
Plus, other interpretations of things in the self-defense world.
"If you pull/draw a gun you'd better be prepared to use it" Why do some people think that just because you draw a gun you had better pull the trigger or there was no real reason to draw the gun? Rather than just being able to pull the trigger if you need to. Forgetting that in some circumstances drawing the gun may be enough. For example. A person coming at you with a knife... you draw your handgun...they drop the knife and run away.... no need to shoot. And on a second note why do people think just holding a gun without a threatening action along with it is "Brandishing" brandish 1 of 2 verb bran·?dish 'bran-dish brandished; brandishing; brandishes Synonyms of brandish transitive verb 1 : to shake or wave (something, such as a weapon) menacingly brandished a knife at them 2 : to exhibit in an ostentatious or aggressive manner brandishing her intellect brandish 2 of 2 noun : an act or instance of waving something menacingly or exhibiting something ostentatiously or aggressively : an act or instance of brandishing View Quote |
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Firearms are a tool of last resort. If the situation has degraded to that level, you better be ready for the ride.
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Never assume that pulling the gun will make the bad guy run away. If you’re only planning to threaten but unwilling to actually pull the trigger, then don’t draw.
And never pull your pistol just because someone’s pissed you off. They better be a legitimate threat. |
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To me it means you should not count on the mere presentation of a gun to end the confrontation. If it does and you don’t have to shoot, great, but be prepared for the attack to continue and even escalate until you stop the threat with bullets.
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Quoted: Never assume that pulling the gun will make the bad guy run away. If you’re only planning to threaten but unwilling to actually pull the trigger, then don’t draw. And never pull your pistol just because someone’s pissed you off. They better be a legitimate threat. View Quote No disagrement But people on this site say that if you draw a gun and don't pull the trigger "the threat wasn't real enough" to draw the gun. |
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It doesn't mean you have too. It means you better be prepared too.
Although, let's step back, if you |
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To me it means don't treat it as a guarantee that the threat alone will be a sufficient deterrent. Training and practice is the "prepared" part, which needs to happen beforehand.
Basically, shit isn't a talisman. |
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If you are not prepared to use it the weapon will be taken and used on you.
Of course you don’t have to use it but if the threat advances you must use it. It is wise to watch your mouth too. It is not good to talk shit. If you need to do something no matter how stupid it might be do not announce it. |
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To me it means if you are faced with a determined assailant and you chicken out, they will take it from you and shoot you with it.
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A lot of folks know little about guns much less carrying guns. The same folks who talk about filing firing pins or "illegal spring holsters"
If you carry a gun you should be prepared to responsibly use it. Don't wave it like a retard. |
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"If you think you might need your gun, you're a damn fool to have in anywhere but in your hand."
I think it was the good Col. Cooper said something like that. |
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I honestly don't want to kill anybody if I don't have to.
I will if I need to, especially when it comes to protecting my kids or other children. |
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Prepared to use it, is not the same thing as having to use it.
It simply means, don't draw a gun and expect just the sight of it to stop someone. If you feel, for whatever reason, you couldn't pull the trigger, then don't carry a gun. |
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Quoted: I love this site but I have reason to believe that some of the people here might not be the best and brightest that society has to offer. View Quote |
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Quoted: To me it means you should not count on the mere presentation of a gun to end the confrontation. If it does and you don’t have to shoot, great, but be prepared for the attack to continue and even escalate until you stop the threat with bullets. View Quote This You need to be willing to use it, it doesn't mean the situation can't change where you don't need to. |
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Quoted: To me it means you should not count on the mere presentation of a gun to end the confrontation. If it does and you don't have to shoot, great, but be prepared for the attack to continue and even escalate until you stop the threat with bullets. View Quote To me, it just means that when you decide to draw your firearm, you have the intention of using it. If things change in the time it takes to draw the firearm and it's no longer a necessity, it doesn't mean that you've committed yourself to shooting no matter what. As far as the brandishing the firearm, I don't recall specifically the video but Massad Ayoob had a video where he talked about this topic. He was aware of a few cases where a person was charged and convicted with brandishing for simply raising or removing their concealment to show the firearm. He didn't get into the cases specifically so I imagine there is probably more to the story. Maybe that person was instigating or something else to get the charge. ETA: I don't have the time but I've told my self defense story on here a few times. I have drawn and presented my firearm and that alone stopped the other party. I was well within the law had I decided to pull the trigger. I called the cops afterward, told my story and was never charged with anything. |
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Quoted: Plus, other interpretations of things in the self-defense world. "If you pull/draw a gun you'd better be prepared to use it" Why do some people think that just because you draw a gun you had better pull the trigger or there was no real reason to draw the gun? Rather than just being able to pull the trigger if you need to. Forgetting that in some circumstances drawing the gun may be enough. For example. A person coming at you with a knife... you draw your handgun...they drop the knife and run away.... no need to shoot. And on a second note why do people think just holding a gun without a threatening action along with it is "Brandishing" brandish 1 of 2 verb bran ?dish 'bran-dish brandished; brandishing; brandishes Synonyms of brandish transitive verb 1 : to shake or wave (something, such as a weapon) menacingly brandished a knife at them 2 : to exhibit in an ostentatious or aggressive manner brandishing her intellect brandish 2 of 2 noun : an act or instance of waving something menacingly or exhibiting something ostentatiously or aggressively : an act or instance of brandishing View Quote View Quote Some states have passed "defensive display" laws, and really the gun rights orgs need to be pushing this as well. This is to protect people from brandishing charges when they display a gun to deter an attacker. Yes, you need to be prepared to use it. But if showing it to a potential assailant changes their mind about attacking, that's way, way better than having to shoot someone, for everyone involved. |
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Growing up my mom was pretty anti gun. A few years ago I had a nephew with drug issues and she wanted to get a gun for protection from him. I asked her if she would be willing to shoot him if she had to. Her answer was “No.”. I told her she shouldn’t get a gun because if he was on drugs and out of his mind he could see a gun, take it from her and the situation would be worse. She wanted it as a shield. Drawing a gun potentially escalates the situation. She ended up not getting a gun. She wasn’t prepared to use it.
The phrase is a good one. Just like the phrase … treat all guns like they’re loaded. |
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My personal philosophy is the first time you will know I am armed is when you see my muzzle flash. You pull a knife on me I am not going to flap my lips making idle threats. You have demonstrated to me your intent to kill me or one of my loved ones. At that point I have no duty of care towards you.
My advice is don’t fuck with old people. |
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I look at it as ‘there are behavioral lines there that have to be crossed before I’ll pull a gun. And, there is a line beyond that where I’ll pull the trigger.’
I’ll go way out of my way to avoid confrontation let alone actually getting to the point where I have to pull a gun. |
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Why do some people think that just because you draw a gun you had better pull the trigger or there was no real reason to draw the gun? View Quote It means if a situation gets to the point where deadly force in justified, if you don't have the guts to use it, and the bad guy senses that, that drawn gun isn't going to stop him. If the sight of a drawn gun doesn't stop the miscreant, you'd better send some lead downrange or you've lost. |
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Quoted: I love this site but I have reason to believe that some of the people here might not be the best and brightest that society has to offer. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: But people on this site say that if you draw a gun and don't pull the trigger "the threat wasn't real enough" to draw the gun. I love this site but I have reason to believe that some of the people here might not be the best and brightest that society has to offer. Yeah. I mean, I've never seen that sentiment, but maybe it's tied to the quick draw McGraw obsession some people have here. Could also maybe apply to a concealed carry in some cases where you lose a huge tactical advantage my introducing a weapon. Then again, that is often enough. And, you would still want to be "prepared" to use it, not always use it. So, yeah, cornfused. This place does that to me so often I just hang on for the ride. |
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Quoted: My personal philosophy is the first time you will know I am armed is when you see my muzzle flash. You pull a knife on me I am not going to flap my lips making idle threats. You have demonstrated to me your intent to kill me or one of my loved ones. At that point I have no duty of care towards you. My advice is don’t fuck with old people. View Quote but as you draw they drop the knife are you still going to shoot them. That is the core question. |
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Just pulling a gun isn't an automatic "Get out of trouble" card. Bad guy can attack and take your gun if you lack the will to use it.
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Quoted: No disagrement But people on this site say that if you draw a gun and don't pull the trigger "the threat wasn't real enough" to draw the gun. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Never assume that pulling the gun will make the bad guy run away. If you’re only planning to threaten but unwilling to actually pull the trigger, then don’t draw. And never pull your pistol just because someone’s pissed you off. They better be a legitimate threat. No disagrement But people on this site say that if you draw a gun and don't pull the trigger "the threat wasn't real enough" to draw the gun. IMO this isn't Arrakis and your firearm isn't a crysknife that once pulled can't be holstered until it's drawn blood. I'm sure I'll take some flak for this opinion, but if you sincerely believe a fight is coming get on the gun early. Hell, get your friends on theirs. I'm not saying display it or point it toward the threat, but if you can draw discretely, or at least get a good grip, in a way that is unlikely to escalate the situation go ahead and do it. |
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Quoted: Because some people (not me) think that it means "If you pull a gun you'd better shoot it" View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: This. Really confused by the OP, it contradicts itself. Because some people (not me) think that it means "If you pull a gun you'd better shoot it" Some people are retarded. But, "you'd better shoot it" and "you'd better be prepared to shoot it" are two very different sentiments. |
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Quoted: Plus, other interpretations of things in the self-defense world. "If you pull/draw a gun you'd better be prepared to use it" Why do some people think that just because you draw a gun you had better pull the trigger or there was no real reason to draw the gun? Rather than just being able to pull the trigger if you need to. Forgetting that in some circumstances drawing the gun may be enough. For example. A person coming at you with a knife... you draw your handgun...they drop the knife and run away.... no need to shoot. And on a second note why do people think just holding a gun without a threatening action along with it is "Brandishing" brandish 1 of 2 verb bran·?dish 'bran-dish brandished; brandishing; brandishes Synonyms of brandish transitive verb 1 : to shake or wave (something, such as a weapon) menacingly brandished a knife at them 2 : to exhibit in an ostentatious or aggressive manner brandishing her intellect brandish 2 of 2 noun : an act or instance of waving something menacingly or exhibiting something ostentatiously or aggressively : an act or instance of brandishing View Quote View Quote Sig Sauer Academy teaches to constantly re-evaluate the situation. Like you said, as you draw, the attacker may immediately change their actions to where you don’t have to shoot. |
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It means don't be the stereotypical chick in a horror movie who finds a gun, the psycho killer is closing in, points the gun right at him, he's getting closer, she frantically cocks the hammer to show him she means business, he keeps coming, she's losing her shit at this point, he's at point blank range, he simply grabs the gun out of her hands and slashes her throat.
Don't do that. Some people carry a gun like it's a magical protection charm, but they don't really have the mentality to pull the trigger on someone. |
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FAFO
Or as my dear father used to say, "don't let your mouth write checks your ass can't cash" |
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You draw a gun when you have to eliminate a threat as fast as possible. No other reason to do so. Fucking none.
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The concealed weapon doesn’t become unconcealed unless it’s time to pull the trigger.
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Quoted: Plus, other interpretations of things in the self-defense world. "If you pull/draw a gun you'd better be prepared to use it" Why do some people think that just because you draw a gun you had better pull the trigger or there was no real reason to draw the gun? Rather than just being able to pull the trigger if you need to. Forgetting that in some circumstances drawing the gun may be enough. For example. A person coming at you with a knife... you draw your handgun...they drop the knife and run away.... no need to shoot. And on a second note why do people think just holding a gun without a threatening action along with it is "Brandishing" brandish 1 of 2 verb bran·?dish 'bran-dish brandished; brandishing; brandishes Synonyms of brandish transitive verb 1 : to shake or wave (something, such as a weapon) menacingly brandished a knife at them 2 : to exhibit in an ostentatious or aggressive manner brandishing her intellect brandish 2 of 2 noun : an act or instance of waving something menacingly or exhibiting something ostentatiously or aggressively : an act or instance of brandishing View Quote View Quote Ignorance. Probably people hear the first statement, which is true you should be prepared mentally and competence wise. And they extrapolate the second retarded notion out of ignorance. Some FoF training dispels that notion right quick. If you dont draw until you know you have to shoot you'll be behind the curve. If you shoot just because you drew and thought you had to, but the situation changed before you pulled the trigger, you could see prison. |
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