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Posted: 7/26/2021 12:09:49 AM EDT
[#1]
1911
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Posted: 7/26/2021 12:11:40 AM EDT
[#2]
Is there any optics limitation?
1903 Springfield |
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Posted: 7/26/2021 12:12:36 AM EDT
[#3]
I'd go as far back as the 1898 Mauser.
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Posted: 7/26/2021 12:13:14 AM EDT
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A club?
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Posted: 7/26/2021 12:13:21 AM EDT
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Trebuchet
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Posted: 7/26/2021 12:14:01 AM EDT
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Posted: 7/26/2021 12:14:39 AM EDT
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Are we allowed to switch them to modern calibers?
Because frankly 308 Enfields could be useful in the right circumstances. 556 M1 Carbines would really not be much worse then any AR without an optic. |
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Posted: 7/26/2021 12:14:50 AM EDT
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Quoted: My vote is for the M1 carbine. Sure the STG34 and the AK 47 are no-brainers, but what would be the oldest? Did something come before the M1 carbine that could hold a town on a modern battlefield? I’m talking entire companies armed with this particular weapon. What would work from the 1930s or even earlier? Prototypes and concept weapons don’t count. It Has to be a weapon that was actually widely issued. M2, caliber 50, heavy barrel... |
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Posted: 7/26/2021 12:17:06 AM EDT
[#9]
Samurai sword! (Secondary)
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Posted: 7/26/2021 12:17:41 AM EDT
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Maxim.
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Posted: 7/26/2021 12:18:02 AM EDT
[#11]
Rock throwing.
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Posted: 7/26/2021 12:18:48 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Trebuchet NUCLEAR Trebuchet. |
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Posted: 7/26/2021 12:19:14 AM EDT
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By "viable" you mean that a unit equipped with this primary infantry weapon could hold its own against a similarly-sized unit equipped with a primary infantry weapon from today? Not counting LMG's/grenades/
Etc? Probably the M-1 Garand. Anything other than a semiauto is going to get wrecked. |
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Posted: 7/26/2021 12:19:43 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'd go as far back as the 1898 Mauser. If we are going that far back, might as well go for the 1891 Mosin-Nagant. It's a rifle AND a pike/ceiling fan destroyer. |
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Posted: 7/26/2021 12:20:56 AM EDT
[#15]
Winchester model 94.
Same 8 round capacity as a Garand but much easier to top off during a lull. |
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Posted: 7/26/2021 12:21:08 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 1911 
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Posted: 7/26/2021 12:21:21 AM EDT
[#17]
a knife....
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Posted: 7/26/2021 12:21:39 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: By "viable" you mean that a unit equipped with this primary infantry weapon could hold its own against a similarly-sized unit equipped with a primary infantry weapon from today? Not counting LMG's/grenades/ Etc? Probably the M-1 Garand. Anything other than a semiauto is going to get wrecked. I'm thinking Garand too. Yeah, you're limited by the 8 round capacity, but if we started issuing M2 AP again with it one hit would be enough. |
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Posted: 7/26/2021 12:21:42 AM EDT
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Model 1897 shotgun. It can probably breech with the best of them, and I'll bet the M1917 bayonet would make a real statement when guarding detainees/prisioners.
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Posted: 7/26/2021 12:24:16 AM EDT
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I hear those 58 cal blunderbusses can ruin your day it aimed at close quarters.
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Posted: 7/26/2021 12:24:30 AM EDT
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M2 machine gun. Predates ww2 and still in use today.
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Posted: 7/26/2021 12:25:06 AM EDT
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1873 lever action gun would do quite well. M1919 and the m2 do quite well. M1918 Thompson.
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Posted: 7/26/2021 12:26:01 AM EDT
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As already posted M2.
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Posted: 7/26/2021 12:26:11 AM EDT
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Madsen LMG.
 
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Posted: 7/26/2021 12:28:09 AM EDT
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M2 .50BMG
M1911A1 MP38/40 (I'd argue a Thompson as well, but that'd probably lead to a fight) BAR and 1919 (in A6 configuration) K31 would be an alright DMR Also, if someone attached an electrical firing/cycling mechanism and belt feed, I'd bet a Gatling gun would be pretty likable and a versatile platform that would work well in multiple calibers as a vehicle mounted weapon
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Posted: 7/26/2021 12:28:13 AM EDT
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Ma Duece was designed in 1918 and is still the standard issue heavy gun.
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Posted: 7/26/2021 12:29:09 AM EDT
[#27]
Federov
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Posted: 7/26/2021 12:30:59 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryI'm changing my vote. Recoil Rifle Syndicate FTW |
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Posted: 7/26/2021 12:32:02 AM EDT
[#29]
Gladius. Seriously, worked great for the Romans.
 Why the Gladius Was the Perfect Weapon for the Roman Army |
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Posted: 7/26/2021 12:32:46 AM EDT
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How is ‘general issue’ defined for this exercise? As interesting as the M2 is, I can’t see issuing one to every soldier.
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Posted: 7/26/2021 12:35:52 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How is ‘general issue’ defined for this exercise? As interesting as the M2 is, I can’t see issuing one to every soldier. With enough roids anything is possible |
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Posted: 7/26/2021 12:40:35 AM EDT
[#32]
Probably the Garand, assuming purely arguing rifles. A decent case could be made for the many variants of the 1903, mauser 98, and enfield if incorporating everything else which makes a modern combined arms assault. Anything of lesser technology than the garand would absolutely be decimated in close combat once the city limit signs are crossed should the enemy have some kind of light carbine with a box magazine.
I think the Garand would hold its own in this day in rural areas where simple fire superiority is just dumping ammo. Slapping triggers and going cyclic doesn’t get you shit for hits past 100 yards. Optics would really be the limiting factor. Obviously the 1911 for pistols. |
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Posted: 7/26/2021 12:42:33 AM EDT
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Quoted: My vote is for the M1 carbine. Sure the STG34 and the AK 47 are no-brainers, but what would be the oldest? Did something come before the M1 carbine that could hold a town on a modern battlefield? I’m talking entire companies armed with this particular weapon. What would work from the 1930s or even earlier? Prototypes and concept weapons don’t count. It Has to be a weapon that was actually widely issued. Johnson Automatic Rifle. Developed as a competitor to the M1 Garand but too late for the Army to seriously consider. Was sold to the Dutch for sale in their overseas colonies but not delivered due to being overrun by the Japanese. So they wound up getting bought and used by the USMC in the Pacific theater. I think they slightly predated the M1 carbine. Anyways, probably usable on the modern battlefield. Another good one would be the Mas 39/40. Development was essentially completed in time for WW2, but the factory got overrun before production could get up to speed. It would later go on to be revised after the war and see extensive service by the French well into the 1970s. |
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Posted: 7/26/2021 12:52:30 AM EDT
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I'm not sold on the Garand. I love them, think they dominated WW2, but going against a bunch of third-worlders with AKs? I don't think the Garand is going to work. It was great against guys using bolt-actions, but the battlefield today is different. Its bullets are too heavy to carry, and it doesn't hold enough ammo.
The obvious choice is the M-14, which gives us more than twice the ammo/magazine as well as faster reloads...but I think the round is wrong. I'm not a doorkicker, and I'm more than willing to be corrected...but I'd think our frontline guys would rather have more ammo, vice less, on their person per pound...and I'm not sold on the M-14's reliability and ease of maintenance in the field, and I believe they were horrible when fired FA. M1 carbine? Our guys already have pistols. They need a rifle. I'm...guessing the M-16 is about as far back as I'd go, and still think our frontline guys had a good-enough weapon to win with. Optics and gear ready. The platform is...what...70+ years old? (I disregarded the M2 because it wouldn't be "general issue") Thoughts? |
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Posted: 7/26/2021 12:53:36 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm changing my vote. Recoil Rifle Syndicate FTW Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm changing my vote. Recoil Rifle Syndicate FTW Original design from 1901. The one being fired in the gif/video is from 1905. |
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Posted: 7/26/2021 12:54:35 AM EDT
[#36]
Ithaca Model 37 it was based off the John Browning designed Remington Model 17
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Posted: 7/26/2021 12:57:10 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: M2 machine gun. Predates ww2 and still in use today. Obvious answer. Also, most of the LMG’s from WW-1 |
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Posted: 7/26/2021 12:58:19 AM EDT
[#38]
Probably s&w 1903 and colt m1892
No different from the modern double action revolvers except for the anemic cartridge. |
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Posted: 7/26/2021 12:58:32 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: With enough roids anything is possible Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: How is ‘general issue’ defined for this exercise? As interesting as the M2 is, I can’t see issuing one to every soldier. With enough roids anything is possible When I had a smart mouth private in my infantry platoon, he got to carry the M2.
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Posted: 7/26/2021 12:58:48 AM EDT
[#40]
Obsidian knife.
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Posted: 7/26/2021 12:59:50 AM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: M2, caliber 50, heavy barrel... |
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Posted: 7/26/2021 1:03:34 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm not sold on the Garand. I love them, think they dominated WW2, but going against a bunch of third-worlders with AKs? I don't think the Garand is going to work. It was great against guys using bolt-actions, but the battlefield today is different. Its bullets are too heavy to carry, and it doesn't hold enough ammo. The obvious choice is the M-14, which gives us more than twice the ammo/magazine as well as faster reloads...but I think the round is wrong. I'm not a doorkicker, and I'm more than willing to be corrected...but I'd think our frontline guys would rather have more ammo, vice less, on their person per pound...and I'm not sold on the M-14's reliability and ease of maintenance in the field, and I believe they were horrible when fired FA. M1 carbine? Our guys already have pistols. They need a rifle. I'm...guessing the M-16 is about as far back as I'd go, and still think our frontline guys had a good-enough weapon to win with. Optics and gear ready. The platform is...what...70+ years old? (I disregarded the M2 because it wouldn't be "general issue") Thoughts? The M14 is too heavy but you don't like the carbine because its "not rifle enough" Ok. |
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Posted: 7/26/2021 1:08:01 AM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Ithaca Model 37 it was based off the John Browning designed Remington Model 17 Feeds and ejects from the same port, ever have one jam up on you? It sucks. |
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Posted: 7/26/2021 1:10:42 AM EDT
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I read today the Turks used medieval era bombard cannons against the royal navy in the Dardanelles during WWI when managing to damage and injure British ship with a 2500lb iron cannon ball
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Posted: 7/26/2021 1:16:41 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: By "viable" you mean that a unit equipped with this primary infantry weapon could hold its own against a similarly-sized unit equipped with a primary infantry weapon from today? Not counting LMG's/grenades/ Etc? Probably the M-1 Garand. Anything other than a semiauto is going to get wrecked. And number of SMGs would work |
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Posted: 7/26/2021 1:24:20 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The M14 is too heavy but you don't like the carbine because its "not rifle enough" Ok. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I'm not sold on the Garand. I love them, think they dominated WW2, but going against a bunch of third-worlders with AKs? I don't think the Garand is going to work. It was great against guys using bolt-actions, but the battlefield today is different. Its bullets are too heavy to carry, and it doesn't hold enough ammo. The obvious choice is the M-14, which gives us more than twice the ammo/magazine as well as faster reloads...but I think the round is wrong. I'm not a doorkicker, and I'm more than willing to be corrected...but I'd think our frontline guys would rather have more ammo, vice less, on their person per pound...and I'm not sold on the M-14's reliability and ease of maintenance in the field, and I believe they were horrible when fired FA. M1 carbine? Our guys already have pistols. They need a rifle. I'm...guessing the M-16 is about as far back as I'd go, and still think our frontline guys had a good-enough weapon to win with. Optics and gear ready. The platform is...what...70+ years old? (I disregarded the M2 because it wouldn't be "general issue") Thoughts? The M14 is too heavy but you don't like the carbine because its "not rifle enough" Ok. Educate me. Show me where I'm wrong. I'm under the impression that an M1 carbine's effective range is 200 yards...isn't the AK47 twice that? I'm an M1A guy. I love the rifle. I love the Garand. I just think that...they're historically amazing. I think the M16 puts us on...at least par with our enemies. In both range, weight of weapon, and how much ammo a soldier can comfortable field. |
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Posted: 7/26/2021 1:25:24 AM EDT
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Grenades.
The concept is old AF but is still virtually the same today. Easy to train and generally issue. Excellent short-range AOE and area denial weapon depending upon payload. The History of the Hand Grenade |
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Posted: 7/26/2021 1:29:18 AM EDT
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A Schofield revolver could be used as a viable self-defense arm.
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Posted: 7/26/2021 1:33:37 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 1911 Yep and still in service in a few special units. As far as a long gun the M1 Carbine is perfect for close quarters. But quite a bit older and much more effective at range is the BAR. M1918 Browning Automatic Rifle. Maximum firing range: approx. 4,500–5,000 yards (4,100–4,600 m) Effective firing range: 100–1,500 yards (91–1,372 m) sight adjustments (maximum effective range) In service: 1918–1973 (United States) Action: Gas-operated, rising bolt lock Designer: John Browning Produced: 1917–1945 Rate of fire 500–650 rounds/min (M1918, M1922, M1918A1) 20-round detachable box magazine (7oz empty; 1lb, 7oz full) 40-round detachable box magazine (14 oz empty; 2lb 7oz full. Used for anti-aircraft)  |
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Posted: 7/26/2021 1:34:02 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: M2 machine gun. Predates ww2 and still in use today. this. |
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