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Posted: 10/3/2022 11:25:23 AM EDT

I would suppose this is normal for quite a bit of Europe.

Posted: 10/3/2022 11:26:58 AM EDT

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Napalm? Burn the bastards out.

Posted: 10/3/2022 11:29:35 AM EDT

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I would think x39 might be a better choice than 5.56 or 5.45 for penetration through those trees.

Posted: 10/3/2022 11:29:56 AM EDT

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Posted: 10/3/2022 11:30:17 AM EDT

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20mm

Posted: 10/3/2022 11:31:56 AM EDT

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105mm airburst?

Posted: 10/3/2022 11:33:57 AM EDT

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7.62 x 51.

Posted: 10/3/2022 11:35:52 AM EDT

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Posted: 10/3/2022 11:36:11 AM EDT

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22 LR. If the bullet hits them anywhere it will travel all the way around in their body until it goes up into the skull and bounces around for a while.

Posted: 10/3/2022 11:37:47 AM EDT

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30.06

Posted: 10/3/2022 11:38:45 AM EDT

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Well 30-30 is the best brush gun according to popular wisdom.

Posted: 10/3/2022 11:41:14 AM EDT

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06, 303, 8mm, 54r

Posted: 10/3/2022 11:41:47 AM EDT

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Better barrier penetration but same load out as 5.56? Sounds like a job for 300 Blackout.

Posted: 10/3/2022 11:42:57 AM EDT

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I know a 7.62x39 will go slam through pretty decent sizes trees.

Posted: 10/3/2022 11:43:17 AM EDT

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still about number of rounds carried
so still 223

Posted: 10/3/2022 11:43:59 AM EDT

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That looks like SS 300blk land. Trees aplomb, need something to cut through vegetation without worrying about deflection (as much). A 308 would be nice but recoil and less ammo. Something in 125gr doing 2200fps would hit hard with tame recoil. Maybe even 115gr with a little more velocity.

Posted: 10/3/2022 11:44:56 AM EDT

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Shoot your target, not the trees

Not a tree-hugger

Posted: 10/3/2022 11:45:13 AM EDT

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Chainsaws

Posted: 10/3/2022 11:45:59 AM EDT

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6.8 spc

Posted: 10/3/2022 11:47:19 AM EDT

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Honestly I would say anything you can hit your target with. Not magical cartridge or bullet is going to be the perfect answer no matter what anyone says. A bullet that hits another object is not going to behave in a very predictable way even 50BMG can have issues with some barriers or deflection from plant life.

Posted: 10/3/2022 11:48:48 AM EDT

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Agent Orange

Posted: 10/3/2022 11:51:29 AM EDT

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I’d still take 5.56. Nod to the trashcan crowd with a x39 still being a good choice.

Distances are short.

Second best is probably going to require AP rounds to be effective, if you honestly want to waste ammo trying to make it through trees.

Posted: 10/3/2022 11:55:10 AM EDT

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There are anecdotal stories of 6.5x55 FMJ penetrating through trees better than 30-06 AP.

Posted: 10/3/2022 11:55:13 AM EDT

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12 gauge buck

Posted: 10/3/2022 11:55:26 AM EDT

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Claymore. Some of the ball bearings are going to make it through the treeline

Posted: 10/3/2022 11:58:17 AM EDT

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I heard on a hunting podcast about a study that was done on bullet deflection when shooting through brush. Kind of a myth busters of brush gun cartridges. Study was done by shooting through wooden dowels at a specified distance into a target beyond them. Dowels were replaced after each test. They tested cartridges between .22 and 45-70. Including magnum rounds like .338 win mag.

The hypothesis was that larger diameter/heavier bullets would have less deflection than smaller/lighter ones. This is the understanding that many have, and why you will hear things like “The .35 Remington is a better brush gun than the .30-30”

The results of the test somewhat busted that myth. The results were that bullet energy was the biggest factor. Higher velocity heavy bullets had the least amount of deflection. .338 win mag had much less bullet deflection than 45-70.

Not a direct answer to the OPs question, but it made me think about this study.

Posted: 10/3/2022 11:59:44 AM EDT

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As much as I am not a fan of the '06, it's the '06.

Load it with Armor Piercing ammo and it takes out tree cancer like a surgeon.

And it can be a pretty big tree.

Posted: 10/3/2022 11:59:53 AM EDT

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HE ammunition. Death by shivers (wood splinters). We lost a lot of guys KIA or WIA from it in Huertgen Forest. Foxholes had to have a wood covering to protect its occupants from flying wood.

Posted: 10/3/2022 12:00:43 PM EDT

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5.45x39 was basically developed in a crash program by the Soviets (who historically are loathe to change anything) because the 5.56 round's performance in Vietnam (a place not exactly devoid of trees) scared the everloving shit out of them.

Posted: 10/3/2022 12:02:31 PM EDT

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I like my 308's with 175-180's

hate me, IDGAF

Posted: 10/3/2022 12:03:03 PM EDT

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50cal cuts through things pretty darn well.

Posted: 10/3/2022 12:06:14 PM EDT

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It's like deer hunting in the East where the areas are densely wooded. The ranges aren't going to be far and you want a bullet to cut through twigs and branches with the least amount of deflection. That necessitates in a heavy bullet. A good cartridge for deer hunting in such conditions is the 30-30. For 2 legged critters I would imagine 7.62x39mm with a 123 grain bullet. Or perhaps 6.5 Grendel with a 120 grain or a 130 grain bullet. The heavier the better.

Posted: 10/3/2022 12:07:18 PM EDT

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5.45x39 was basically developed in a crash program by the Soviets (who historically are loathe to change anything) because the 5.56 round's performance in Vietnam (a place not exactly devoid of trees) scared the everloving shit out of them.

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I would think x39 might be a better choice than 5.56 or 5.45 for penetration through those trees.

5.45x39 was basically developed in a crash program by the Soviets (who historically are loathe to change anything) because the 5.56 round's performance in Vietnam (a place not exactly devoid of trees) scared the everloving shit out of them.

I've heard the opposite, although the History Channel is not much of a source. They claimed the x39 was the better round in Vietnam because it did not scatter on brush the way the 5.56 did.

Posted: 10/3/2022 12:12:21 PM EDT

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I'm gonna say 60mm or M67 frag. Wonder if a 40mm round would have enough force to lodge itself in a tree and detonate there or if it'd bounce off and possibly come back at you...

Posted: 10/3/2022 12:19:55 PM EDT

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JDAM

Posted: 10/3/2022 12:26:19 PM EDT

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Artillery.

Posted: 10/3/2022 12:33:56 PM EDT

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Posted: 10/3/2022 12:36:34 PM EDT

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Posted: 10/3/2022 12:36:43 PM EDT

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ShAK-12 12.7 mm assault rifle system

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jYibVsp8N0U

Posted: 10/3/2022 12:39:48 PM EDT

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I've shot clean through good sized pine trees with 5.56. And this was years ago, with lead ammo,long before Ap ammo was as common. I guarantee Ap 5.56 will slice right through a tree.

Posted: 10/3/2022 12:44:14 PM EDT

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7.62 'Merican, 155 and 30 Mike death rain

Posted: 10/3/2022 12:45:46 PM EDT

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Tree-fiddy Legend, of course.

Posted: 10/3/2022 12:46:08 PM EDT

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This shotgun, with a wheelbarrel of loaded mags full of 1oz slugs, and a debarked chihuahua...

The Fastest Shotgun in the World

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2DMQ85zKMo

Posted: 10/3/2022 12:46:30 PM EDT

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I've heard the opposite, although the History Channel is not much of a source. They claimed the x39 was the better round in Vietnam because it did not scatter on brush the way the 5.56 did.

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You hear all manner of dumb shit, especially on mainstream TV. But watching the Soviets bring the 5.45 into service 87 times faster than they did pretty much anything else is undeniable, and I don't think Ivan did it for the hell of it.