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Posted: 9/11/2024 8:01:01 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: For Me, the BHP was the most naturally pointing pistol I've ever owned. But I HATED the safety. You had to have fingers like a chipmunk to actuate it - what a shitty design. Perfect you ask??? The Hi Power with the 1911 slide cut and safety, in 9mm - OMG.. Pertfect Pistol. All that I could ever ask for. The "upgraded" BHP, with the same funky safety and an extended lever is still worthless in my eyes. You might as well buy a staccato. |
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Posted: 9/11/2024 8:01:06 PM EST
[#2]
Glock 17
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Posted: 9/11/2024 8:02:13 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: And most importantly it looks cool as fuck. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: It's an automatic AND a revolver! Ha! Beat that! https://www.shootingillustrated.com/media/py2fwamv/webly.jpg And most importantly it looks cool as fuck. Actually think about that. The process of the fuck isn't cool at all and in fact the humping in and out motion is kind of silly looking. |
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Posted: 9/11/2024 8:03:45 PM EST
[#4]
Rohm
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Posted: 9/11/2024 8:07:10 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You might as well buy a staccato. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: For Me, the BHP was the most naturally pointing pistol I've ever owned. But I HATED the safety. You had to have fingers like a chipmunk to actuate it - what a shitty design. Perfect you ask??? The Hi Power with the 1911 slide cut and safety, in 9mm - OMG.. Pertfect Pistol. All that I could ever ask for. The "upgraded" BHP, with the same funky safety and an extended lever is still worthless in my eyes. You might as well buy a staccato. Or DWX. |
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Posted: 9/11/2024 8:37:01 PM EST
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The 1911 is legendary in the USA The BHP is legendary globally |
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Posted: 9/11/2024 8:40:12 PM EST
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Quote HistoryIf we're talking relative, not absolute scale. |
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Posted: 9/11/2024 8:43:46 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Maybe you’re trying to be funny, but this overrated pistol sucked so bad, hardly anywhere made, it’s no longer in production, and even though the patents have long since expired, not even the turks will copy it. If it’s so great, why isn’t it in production? Pretty much every other gun being disgusting this thread is still in production. Maybe it's that.  |
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Posted: 9/11/2024 8:48:19 PM EST
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This thread smells like gertol and whether originals.
Browning (and FN) had to design around patents on the far superior 1911 style trigger to make the down syndrome mechanical abortion that is the BHP. Stock USGI 1940s 1911 vs 1940s BHP...The hi-power is obviously better. Basically double the capacity with an equivalently shitty military trigger, and better sights (at least the tangent sight BHP). Commercially made now...9mm 1911 platform smokes the BHP. You can have a far better trigger and more ammo. Alien vs Platypus is the question for today. |
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Posted: 9/11/2024 9:02:47 PM EST
[#10]
1911 - why is this even a question?
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Posted: 9/11/2024 9:05:28 PM EST
[#11]
For any combat, Law Enforcement or self defense purpose, it's the Glock 17.
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Posted: 9/11/2024 9:05:48 PM EST
[#12]
HK USP.
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Posted: 9/11/2024 10:01:29 PM EST
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Between the two, I’d say the BHP is a better all around pistol. Better locking design, better capacity, but worse trigger.
But it didn’t take off quite as big as the 1911. So that does tell you something. I’d actually argue for the sake of arguing that the P365 is the best pistol ever made. It’s light, super concealable, very shootable, good trigger, and astounding capacity for its size. |
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Posted: 9/11/2024 10:15:32 PM EST
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Posted: 9/11/2024 10:23:45 PM EST
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Quote HistoryJarvis barrel in mine also.  |
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Posted: 9/11/2024 10:27:24 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: P210 Yes! 
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Posted: 9/11/2024 10:39:59 PM EST
[#17]
USP 45
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Posted: 9/11/2024 10:40:30 PM EST
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Quote HistoryNailed it. |
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Posted: 9/11/2024 10:41:01 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: But it didn’t take off quite as big as the 1911. So that does tell you something. It was adopted and used by many many more countries than the 1911 ever did. Sure in the US commercial market, it was minor compared to the 1911. But on a global perspective, the BHP blows the 1911 out of the water. The BHP is akin to the FAL or G3. Adopted and used basically everywhere across the western world besides the US. |
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Posted: 9/11/2024 10:46:30 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Jarvis barrel in mine also. Quote HistoryQuoted: Jarvis barrel in mine also. Great minds and all that
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Posted: 9/11/2024 10:49:33 PM EST
[#21]
John Browning designed the Hi-Power after designing the 1911 the way the Army wanted. (At least thats what I've read)
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Posted: 9/11/2024 11:07:39 PM EST
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In terms of advancing civilian CCW and having people actually carry a gun regularly, its the KelTec P3AT, whose design lead to the hugely successful uber CCW success of the Ruger LCP.
Probably the most important pistol design of the 21st Century (yes, i'm counting 1999) 
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Posted: 9/11/2024 11:24:01 PM EST
[#23]
P38/Beretta 92
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Posted: 9/11/2024 11:25:16 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: S&W M&P 2.0  |
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Posted: 9/11/2024 11:46:56 PM EST
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I was thinking this at 1st because I’ve bought a few recently. I was basing this on historical significance and longevity of production. Pretty much in production 1873 - present. But only 38 years later the 1911 was adopted and is still in production by MANY manufacturers and is still relevant as a combat weapon. So 1911 for me. |
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Posted: 9/11/2024 11:56:34 PM EST
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Hi Powers were just not as popular here, they were less familiar and probably usually cost more. 9 mm ammo sucked for a long time and marketing and manufacture for them never really gained momentum. US gun buyers follow marketing trends like lemmings.
They are a better gun. |
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Posted: 9/12/2024 12:03:18 AM EST
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Hi Powers were just not as popular here, they were less familiar and probably usually cost more. 9 mm ammo sucked for a long time and marketing and manufacture for them never really gained momentum. US gun buyers follow marketing trends like lemmings. They are a better gun. |
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Posted: 9/12/2024 12:18:25 AM EST
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Top 3 are
Colt 1873 1911 Glock Honorable Mention goes to S&W M&P revolver (model 10) Sig Sauer P226 L frame S&W 357 or Colt Python |
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Posted: 9/12/2024 12:24:59 AM EST
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: In designing a pistol would you make the tigger act on a lever that acts on another lever in the slide, then go back into the frame to act on the sear? |
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Posted: 9/12/2024 12:50:17 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If I was the most prominent gun designer of the time and knew the military would require some stupid shit, yeah. |
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Posted: 9/12/2024 3:25:08 AM EST
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Rast & Gasser.
Just because of the name. |
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Posted: 9/12/2024 4:47:48 AM EST
[#32]
Glock 18
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Posted: 9/12/2024 5:12:07 AM EST
[#33]
Glock
Not even a Glock fanboy |
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Posted: 9/12/2024 5:54:27 AM EST
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Luger pre-dates it by several years. The Broomhandle by even more tho it comes up short on the ergonomic aspect. Calling the Luger "ergonomic" is extraordinarily generous. |
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Posted: 9/12/2024 6:46:50 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The 1911 is a cult. JMB's magnum opus is the Hi-Power. The proof is in how every pistol today is a doublestack 9. Not a single stack 45. It's somewhat dishonest to call the BHP a Browning design, it's really a Saive design. Its FCG was specifically designed around what is widely recognized as the best (e.g. DWX, 2011s, etc...) whereas continuous evolution of the 1911 have addressed the capacity and caliber considerations on which your contention seems to hinge. There is not a single pistol available today that is available in as wide an array of configurations as the 1911. |
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Posted: 9/12/2024 9:44:32 AM EST
[#36]
 The SAS Iranian Embassy Siege, 1980 - Animated |
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Posted: 9/12/2024 9:46:54 AM EST
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1911
Glock Colt SAA revolver all 'transformed' what was happening with handguns in their time |
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Posted: 9/12/2024 10:01:26 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This thread smells like gertol and whether originals. Browning (and FN) had to design around patents on the far superior 1911 style trigger to make the down syndrome mechanical abortion that is the BHP. Stock USGI 1940s 1911 vs 1940s BHP...The hi-power is obviously better. Basically double the capacity with an equivalently shitty military trigger, and better sights (at least the tangent sight BHP). Commercially made now...9mm 1911 platform smokes the BHP. You can have a far better trigger and more ammo. Alien vs Platypus is the question for today. Quote HistoryQuoted: This thread smells like gertol and whether originals. Browning (and FN) had to design around patents on the far superior 1911 style trigger to make the down syndrome mechanical abortion that is the BHP. Stock USGI 1940s 1911 vs 1940s BHP...The hi-power is obviously better. Basically double the capacity with an equivalently shitty military trigger, and better sights (at least the tangent sight BHP). Commercially made now...9mm 1911 platform smokes the BHP. You can have a far better trigger and more ammo. Alien vs Platypus is the question for today. The Platypus is a DS 1911 with a plastic grip that takes glock mags, so it seems we know where your vote is. Quoted: Here we go again. Whenever you post a thread like this all you’re going to do is get a bunch of people nominating their favorite pistol. Before we can even have this discussion, we have to agree on what “greatest” means. Greatest does not necessarily mean best. To me, greatest means the handgun design had the largest overall impact on subsequent handgun designs. Both of the choices were great handguns. There’s no doubt about that. But when it comes to great-est, there can only be one. That is the Glock 17. No I do not own one anymore, no it is not my favorite, and no it is not the best. But it is the greatest. Here’s why. When the Glock 17 appeared on the market, there was nothing else like it. You HK fanboys can shut the fuck up. There was nothing like the Glock 17 when it appeared. Within a few years, every single MAJOR manufacturer had introduced or was working on a compact polymer framed high capacity 9 mm semi automatic that was striker fired, with no external safeties. In other words, literally every major manufacturer came out with their version of the Glock. You can’t say that about the 1911, you can’t say that about the high-power, you can’t say that about any other handgun of modern times. One handgun came along and completely changed the handgun market. That was the Glock 17. Glock didn't really invent anything so much as he combined the Sig P220's locking mechanism (an evolution of the 1911's) with a polymer frame (HK did this over a decade earlier) and striker ignition (which had already been used by HK and others). Where he excelled was in lowering production costs and marketing to get them into as many LEOs holsters as he could. Sort of like Sig is doing with the P320. |
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Posted: 9/12/2024 10:15:43 AM EST
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: But this one has a poll, so all people need to do is to pick between the two greatest handguns of all time. Simple.   
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Posted: 9/12/2024 10:16:50 AM EST
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Quote HistoryNo mention of the fact that the P210 used a Browning derived system. Or the fact that the P210 is essentially a slightly modernized and 9mm chambered version of the French M1935A…. When you get down to it, the 1911 is ultimately the origin of every modern system making it the best handgun design of all time. |
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Posted: 9/12/2024 10:17:18 AM EST
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I read somewhere that even JMB himself preferred the Hi-Power.
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Posted: 9/12/2024 10:20:08 AM EST
[#42]
CZ75
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Posted: 9/12/2024 10:20:57 AM EST
[#43]
The G17 and the 1911 are the two most influential handguns ever made.
What’s the “greatest”? Tough call. ETA I neglected the BHP. It’s an excellent handgun, and I’ve loved shooting them (I don’t own one, for some reason). I just don’t think it was as impactful in the history of the handgun. |
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Posted: 9/12/2024 10:21:48 AM EST
[#44]
GLOCK
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Posted: 9/12/2024 10:26:42 AM EST
[#45]
Colt 1849 pocket revolver
It took away the excuse for not carrying a gun. |
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Posted: 9/12/2024 10:29:02 AM EST
[#46]
1911
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Posted: 9/12/2024 10:33:22 AM EST
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: The 1911 is a cult. JMB's magnum opus is the Hi-Power. The proof is in how every pistol today is a doublestack 9. Not a single stack 45. Except for the 1911... Still going strong. |
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Posted: 9/12/2024 10:46:47 AM EST
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The question was greatest designed, which I would think means the most revolutionary, not the most optimized over time.
From the suggestions above, the finalists are: Colt Navy (or the earlier Patterson if you want to get to the start of the revolution) Colt Peacemaker 1911 Glock 17 And the winner is: 1911 |
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Posted: 9/12/2024 10:54:21 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: As much as I love 1911s, I’ll have to say the CZ75. Exactly, although I like the Grand Power line of pistols, too, especially .45 and 10mm models, and the select fire version 9mm.  Grand Power K105 Full Auto Handgun (Courtesy of Grand Power s.r.o.) Note how controllable it is.  And if I don't like something, I have the designer's personal contact info.
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Posted: 9/12/2024 11:00:01 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I read somewhere that even JMB himself preferred the Hi-Power. He couldn't have, because he died before it was ever produced. |
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