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Posted: 11/1/2018 1:18:12 PM EST
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Only this one- https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn-origin-etr.akc.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/12234942/Caucasian-Shepherd-Dog-On-White-01-e1516203386771.jpg Caucasian Ovcharka. All the other breeds will and do lose.  
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Posted: 11/1/2018 1:20:02 PM EST
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Yes.That's part of what they were originally bred for. Also originally bred for turning boar. Most American bred lines concentrate less on the fur drive aspect of their pedigree and focus on the upland aspect. A proper German bred line will come from a hunt test line that is bred for fur and upland. There are a few breeders in the states but not many. Admittedly Draath's and GWP's are better choices.  . I'll have to check that out.
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Posted: 11/1/2018 1:20:10 PM EST
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LOL. They specifically crossbred bulldogs and terriers for dog fighting and baiting. This wasn't a breed that was created to guard chickens, track/retrieve game or raise children. |
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Posted: 11/1/2018 1:21:43 PM EST
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A Dogo doesnt quit, doesn’t get scared and doesn’t give up. If you knew the first thing about Dogo Argentinos you'd know that. Not only the power and athleticism, the Dogo is larger as well. It was made to kill wild boars and cougars. An APBT is little more than a snack. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: No chance - I guarantee a Pit would chew on the Dogos big ass face until It turned tail and ran down the street. You gotta realize those damn pit bull fights lasted HOURS  .Compared to a Tosa match that’s under 20 min. . .
A Dogo doesnt quit, doesn’t get scared and doesn’t give up. If you knew the first thing about Dogo Argentinos you'd know that. Not only the power and athleticism, the Dogo is larger as well. It was made to kill wild boars and cougars. An APBT is little more than a snack. 
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Posted: 11/1/2018 1:22:27 PM EST
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Couldn't have been a real Pit. Did you do the DNA test? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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About 25 years ago I had a Rottie that kicked one's ass. Pit came in backyard loose while I was there with my Rottie, also loose. The Pit came after the Rottie, the Rottie latched on to the dogs neck and shook it like a rag doll and tore it up fairly bad. My dog was a big dog, went close to a hundred pounds, a head like a bowling ball. Pit took off running, never returned. |
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Posted: 11/1/2018 1:23:55 PM EST
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My folks had a wolf-malemute hybrid they brought back from AK back in the 60's that would shred a pit.
140lbs of your worst nightmare if it came at you. Insanely loyal and gentle with the family, terror to intruders. |
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Posted: 11/1/2018 1:25:23 PM EST
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Had some greasy neighbors on the adjoining property. Discovered they had two pits on logging chains when I went back there to check the fence. My pooch was with me. Mine was a mixed mutt, about 70lbs and what I always guessed was mostly Walker hound blood. My dog makes a bee-line for the closest pit. This was about 80 yards from my fence. My dog is just going over to sniff butts and say Hi. I'm trying to call him back, but got ignored. The pit lit right in to him. Thought for about ten seconds that I was going to see my dog die. My pooch dragged out a hidden demon and gave better than he got, broke away and trotted back to me with his tail wagging like it was nothing. I am sure it might have gone worse if that pit had not been hampered by the chain, but I was impressed with the Houdini my dog pulled.
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Posted: 11/1/2018 1:25:42 PM EST
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Back in my youger days of hanging with unsavory types of people, a real trained fighting APBT tore the shit out of a Dogo and a German Shepard almost 2x its size, different fights. Game bred APBTs are no fucking joke. Not talking about your house trained dogs here though.
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Posted: 11/1/2018 1:26:00 PM EST
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Bring me a legitimate bite source. I have seen pits fold car tires. But my pit can't one bite pop tennis balls, the Cane can.. She grinds out any of the "indestructable" chew toys we get her in a minute as she works her way through her jaw growth and teething ( just turned 10 months.) My Rott, she could waste tennis and racquetballs in a few minutes, and was known to drag and throw 5 gallon propane tanks for fun. Chewed through a 2x4 4 times in about 20 minutes when she was an adolescent. Just look at the head of a pit versus a molosser, block vs wedge..far more attachment for muscles on the mastiffs. |
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Posted: 11/1/2018 1:30:29 PM EST
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Anecdote warning. But my pit can't one bite pop tennis balls, the Cane can.. She grinds out any of the "indestructable" chew toys we get her in a minute as she works her way through her jaw growth and teething ( just turned 10 months.) My Rott, she could waste tennis and racquetballs in a few minutes, and was known to drag and throw 5 gallon propane tanks for fun. Chewed through a 2x4 4 times in about 20 minutes when she was an adolescent. Just look at the head of a pit versus a molosser, block vs wedge..far more attachment for muscles on the mastiffs. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Bring me a legitimate bite source. I have seen pits fold car tires. But my pit can't one bite pop tennis balls, the Cane can.. She grinds out any of the "indestructable" chew toys we get her in a minute as she works her way through her jaw growth and teething ( just turned 10 months.) My Rott, she could waste tennis and racquetballs in a few minutes, and was known to drag and throw 5 gallon propane tanks for fun. Chewed through a 2x4 4 times in about 20 minutes when she was an adolescent. Just look at the head of a pit versus a molosser, block vs wedge..far more attachment for muscles on the mastiffs. they're 14% angel dust plus 16% retard strength that's science |
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Posted: 11/1/2018 1:31:17 PM EST
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Several of the pit fans authoritatively claim the pit's superiority. May I ask--hypothetically, of course, since admitting illegal activities would violate COC--on what hypothetical experience your opinion might be based? Tales of fights? Records of fights between different breeds? (I freely admit my ignorance of dogfighting.)
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Posted: 11/1/2018 1:35:40 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: all true pit pulls have supernatural strength so it doesn't matter that they have far less musculature they're 14% angel dust plus 16% retard strength that's science  Failed To Load Title |
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Posted: 11/1/2018 1:36:28 PM EST
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Several of the pit fans authoritatively claim the pit's superiority. May I ask--hypothetically, of course, since admitting illegal activities would violate COC--on what hypothetical experience your opinion might be based? Tales of fights? Records of fights between different breeds? (I freely admit my ignorance of dogfighting.)
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Posted: 11/1/2018 1:37:37 PM EST
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Pit Bulls are a force to be recokened with, but I'd choose a wolf hybrid any day. They are huge, instinctually know how to kill, and have too much furr for the Pit to deal with. A Pit might get a lucky strike on the neck, but any animal has a puncher's chance in that scenario.
90% of the time, the wolf hybrid will kill the Pit, then fuck it's owner. |
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Posted: 11/1/2018 1:38:27 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No eating of children is a big advantage. https://i.imgur.com/r38k9GZh.jpg Eating of any wild animal is a disadvantage. https://i.imgur.com/Kt2ePP5h.png So the Dogo isn’t inherently dog aggressive, or shouldn’t be at least. However, they are a very dominant breed and are same sex aggressive. Give them a task with another same sex dog such as hunting or a trek through the woods, and they are fine. But let another same sex dog challenge them, and while the Dogo isn’t going to start the fight, it’s going to end it. Because they aren’t inherently dog aggressive, they tend to not be the best at dog fighting (especially given an opposite sex fight). Anyway, awesome dogs but just like a pit bull, it depends on lineage/the breeder. The original breed standards are excellent. You will need to seek out a purpose bred dog fighting lineage within the Dogo line if you want a dog fighting Dogo. They are used in other countries for dog fighting. Here, I did this before....
Pit Bull Bit My Dog Even just playing around, the strength advantage in favor of the Dogo is insane. Loco has also ran circles around every legitimate pit bull he has been around. And these are legitimate real APBT’s. https://i.imgur.com/VKkGhkb.jpg?1 |
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Posted: 11/1/2018 1:38:38 PM EST
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Posted: 11/1/2018 1:39:34 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yet again PLEASE show the 4 hour Dogos. Ones that’ll keep going to death. http://dogolacocha.com/index-0.php De la Cocha kennel is still run by the Nores Martinez family, creator of the Dogo Argentino. For years they had a letter in their website, accepting the challenge of any other pure breed dog any other kennel would want to try against their Dogos. I dont see it anymore but feel free to contact them, take your APBT and have it fight one of their Dogos. I’ll save you some time. No other kennel has taken them up on it. These are working dog, hunting year round. As for Dogos fighting to the death it happens all the time in Argentina. I'm sure you can find tons of videos if you bother to look for them. |
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Posted: 11/1/2018 1:40:03 PM EST
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Dogo
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Posted: 11/1/2018 1:40:18 PM EST
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This. Weren't they bred to fight bears or something? https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/24334/8fee210a15fcb4fa21a4340dbbdfccbf_jpg-724318.JPG 
https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/24334/AmpJxyU_jpg-724319.JPG https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/24334/Caucasian_Shepherd_Dog_28_jpg-724321.JPG Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Only this one- https://s3.amazonaws.com/cdn-origin-etr.akc.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/12234942/Caucasian-Shepherd-Dog-On-White-01-e1516203386771.jpg Caucasian Ovcharka. All the other breeds will and do lose. Weren't they bred to fight bears or something? https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/24334/8fee210a15fcb4fa21a4340dbbdfccbf_jpg-724318.JPG
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Posted: 11/1/2018 1:40:46 PM EST
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Several of the pit fans authoritatively claim the pit's superiority. May I ask--hypothetically, of course, since admitting illegal activities would violate COC--on what hypothetical experience your opinion might be based? Tales of fights? Records of fights between different breeds? (I freely admit my ignorance of dogfighting.) I was heavily into gladiator dogs prior and then some. |
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Posted: 11/1/2018 1:41:42 PM EST
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Quoted: all true pit pulls have supernatural strength so it doesn't matter that they have far less musculature they're 14% angel dust plus 16% retard strength that's science  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9oie6JclF8U |
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Posted: 11/1/2018 1:41:43 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Try reading a book. Talk to some old timers who were involved in fighting back in the day. Use the internet..........
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Posted: 11/1/2018 1:42:28 PM EST
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Silly my ass. You have much to learn. Those fat fucking bloated wanna bees are not real pits. Nice try. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Don't be silly. In a small space, maybe they don't appear to gas out, but in the open, they wear down rapidly. Same as humans. Take away the ring, and a heavy weight never lays a solid punch on a middle weight. George Foreman in his prime, on a basketball court, never touches Sugar Ray L. Point I'm trying to make is my pit runs circles around my shepherd in my fenced 1acre yard. he never quits. she goes and lays down long before he gives up on whatever they are playing. |
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Posted: 11/1/2018 1:42:59 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Dogos are watered down Pit crosses with mastiff added in for size. |
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Posted: 11/1/2018 1:43:24 PM EST
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The amount of ignorance I read about pitbulls on this forum is like going to DU and reading about "omg scary black assault rifles"
This thread isnt even that bad. Just sayin. Some if the shit I read on here is 
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Posted: 11/1/2018 1:44:22 PM EST
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Several of the pit fans authoritatively claim the pit's superiority. May I ask--hypothetically, of course, since admitting illegal activities would violate COC--on what hypothetical experience your opinion might be based? Tales of fights? Records of fights between different breeds? (I freely admit my ignorance of dogfighting.) Look up Richard Stratton books, might be some parts online |
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Posted: 11/1/2018 1:45:36 PM EST
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I love my pitties, but I'm pretty confident it wouldn't stand a snowball's chance in hell against a puma/cougar if we go with a 55lb pit (which is on the high side for the breed standard) and an average sized puma at 135lb (with weights ranging from 115lb to 220lb). You can talk about how pitties were "bred to fight" all you want, but a puma was genetically engineered by nature to fucking kill shit. Quote HistoryQuoted:
I love my pitties, but I'm pretty confident it wouldn't stand a snowball's chance in hell against a puma/cougar if we go with a 55lb pit (which is on the high side for the breed standard) and an average sized puma at 135lb (with weights ranging from 115lb to 220lb). You can talk about how pitties were "bred to fight" all you want, but a puma was genetically engineered by nature to fucking kill shit. |
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Posted: 11/1/2018 1:45:37 PM EST
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Pit Bulls are a force to be recokened with, but I'd choose a wolf hybrid any day. They are huge, instinctually know how to kill, and have too much furr for the Pit to deal with. A Pit might get a lucky strike on the neck, but any animal has a puncher's chance in that scenario. 90% of the time, the wolf hybrid will kill the Pit, then fuck it's owner.  Attached File |
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Posted: 11/1/2018 1:46:00 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: In can do better than that. http://dogolacocha.com/index-0.php De la Cocha kennel is still run by the Nores Martinez family, creator of the Dogo Argentino. For years they had a letter in their website, accepting the challenge of any other pure breed dog any other kennel would want to try against their Dogos. I dont see it anymore but feel free to contact them, take your APBT and have it fight one of their Dogos. I’ll save you some time. No other kennel has taken them up on it. These are working dog, hunting year round. As for Dogos fighting to the death it happens all the time in Argentina. I'm sure you can find tons of videos if you bother to look for them. Also, didn't you live there? You should know better. They APBT is king down there. |
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Posted: 11/1/2018 1:47:14 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: trained and engineered for running up walls and grabbing tires. neat useless trick.
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Posted: 11/1/2018 1:47:38 PM EST
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We have a pit bull and a cane corso and the cane corso dominates the pit.
Our cane corso is fucking MEAN. He's already bit 2 people and absolutely hates everybody and everything except us. We have to put him inside in a cage anytime company is over. Temperament has a lot to do with it in my opinion. People think they want a big mean guard dog but it's a lot of work and headache. I always find it funny how people say guard dogs are useless lol. Hey drop by any night and try to walk up to our house if you think so. My dad lives next door and calls before coming over.  Attached File |
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Posted: 11/1/2018 1:47:39 PM EST
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Aaand you just went full retard. I'm out. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Dogos are watered down Pit crosses with mastiff added in for size. |
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Posted: 11/1/2018 1:50:18 PM EST
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I used to work in animal control. I worked directly with the local PD on plenty of underground dog fighting rings. I was heavily into gladiator dogs prior and then some. |
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Posted: 11/1/2018 1:50:25 PM EST
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The dog was designed to only be dog aggressive and not human aggressive. This was so referees or handlers can walk right into the pit without any fear of being attacked to gather, or break the bite from a pit bull that wont let go of the deceased opponent. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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one thing that always gets me when folks talk about pit aggression and talk about how long they were bred to fight, they never mention that for them same amount of years the human aggression was culled out of them. |
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Posted: 11/1/2018 1:51:20 PM EST
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I love dogs, but not interested in fighting them or owning a dog that could kill my kids.
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Posted: 11/1/2018 1:52:16 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: @forker. Look up Richard Stratton books, might be some parts online |
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Posted: 11/1/2018 1:54:54 PM EST
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Several of the pit fans authoritatively claim the pit's superiority. May I ask--hypothetically, of course, since admitting illegal activities would violate COC--on what hypothetical experience your opinion might be based? Tales of fights? Records of fights between different breeds? (I freely admit my ignorance of dogfighting.) Talking to some of them and looking at old scrap books and pictures. The guys showing the small whippity type dogs are dead on with what the old winners looked like. It was also a more... um .. well.. red neck or hillbilly kind of thing it seems only recently crossing over into urban black and Hispanic culture. For myself, I don't remember pits being a thing in El Paso in the 70's and 80's. Dobermans were the bad dog of choice, with Rotts coming in after that. They also claim it was rare to go to the death, but that could also be a bit of selective memory to gloss it over. There is a lot of information on dog fighting on the web factual and fanciful, and it still goes on throughout the country. I didn't get interested in it until I had enough of the mis/dis-info from the BoP, baby killing monster or the Super Dog of doom greatest killer EVAH!!! and even the my pibbo dindunuffin people describing my obviously defective pit. You know, the one that does need discipline and responsibility but has not eaten any children or bested a 'roid raged Ovcharka or meth adled Presa Canario with one paw caught in a snare trap... |
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Posted: 11/1/2018 1:57:12 PM EST
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They were designed to take bulls down. You people are delusional |
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Posted: 11/1/2018 1:57:26 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Where I live in middle Tennessee, there are still quite a few ol timers that go on about it. Talking to some of them and looking at old scrap books and pictures. The guys showing the small whippity type dogs are dead on with what the old winners looked like. It was also a more... um .. well.. red neck or hillbilly kind of thing it seems only recently crossing over into urban black and Hispanic culture. For myself, I don't remember pits being a thing in El Paso in the 70's and 80's. Dobermans were the bad dog of choice, with Rotts coming in after that. They also claim it was rare to go to the death, but that could also be a bit of selective memory to gloss it over. There is a lot of information on dog fighting on the web factual and fanciful, and it still goes on throughout the country. I didn't get interested in it until I had enough of the mis/dis-info from the BoP, baby killing monster or the Super Dog of doom greatest killer EVAH!!! and even the my pibbo dindunuffin people describing my obviously defective pit. You know, the one that does need discipline and responsibility but has not eaten any children or bested a 'roid raged Ovcharka or meth adled Presa Canario with one paw caught in a snare trap... |
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Posted: 11/1/2018 1:58:11 PM EST
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With what? You ignorant post of breeds that would win would actually all lose and fast to this small skinny pit- https://i.ytimg.com/vi/PkBgRHYQbUA/hqdefault.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted:
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LOL...go on You ignorant post of breeds that would win would actually all lose and fast to this small skinny pit- https://i.ytimg.com/vi/PkBgRHYQbUA/hqdefault.jpg Horse fights are still the worst animal fights I have ever witnessed. |
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Posted: 11/1/2018 1:58:18 PM EST
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Ok. Thanks. |
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Posted: 11/1/2018 1:58:57 PM EST
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I love dogs, but not interested in fighting them or owning a dog that could kill my kids. If a person has children, it behooves them to research breeds, carefully select a breed with characteristics that mesh well with their particular family, and then find an excellent breeder breeding that particular breed. Unfortunately, most people put less effort into researching and finding a dog that’s theoretically going to be with them for 10+ years, in their home, playing with their children, sleeping at their feet, than they do into buying a new dishwasher or refridgerator. |
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Posted: 11/1/2018 1:59:03 PM EST
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I love my pitties, but I'm pretty confident it wouldn't stand a snowball's chance in hell against a puma/cougar if we go with a 55lb pit (which is on the high side for the breed standard) and an average sized puma at 135lb (with weights ranging from 115lb to 220lb). You can talk about how pitties were "bred to fight" all you want, but a puma was genetically engineered by nature to fucking kill shit. Quote HistoryQuoted:
I love my pitties, but I'm pretty confident it wouldn't stand a snowball's chance in hell against a puma/cougar if we go with a 55lb pit (which is on the high side for the breed standard) and an average sized puma at 135lb (with weights ranging from 115lb to 220lb). You can talk about how pitties were "bred to fight" all you want, but a puma was genetically engineered by nature to fucking kill shit. |
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Posted: 11/1/2018 2:00:53 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Those are the pits that I saw both in New Mexico and Mexico. Those skinny half starved looking things are murder in the ring. The big fat ones here while aggressive and large are not in the same league as the skinny ones. Horse fights are still the worst animal fights I have ever witnessed. 
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Posted: 11/1/2018 2:00:58 PM EST
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No vote for cat? I vote any cat of equal size over any dog/dog breed. Too bad cats are shitheads and they can't be domesticated or I'd have a couple 65# cats guarding my farm instead of the two buckets of fleas and slobber I currently have.
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Posted: 11/1/2018 2:01:39 PM EST
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My first dogo was purchased from them. What you wrote is deceiving. The challenge was for catching in the plethora of environments and NOT fighting. Also, didn't you live there? You should know better. They APBT is king down there.
King of hunting? No King as a security/defense dog? Nope. King at eating its owner and attacking small children in the trailer park. Yeah, that they do very well. I've got nothing againt the APBT, and some good people have them and love them, but in general their owners are pretty trashy people. Its a dog that is rather unstable of character and not particularly well suited for anything. |
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Posted: 11/1/2018 2:02:47 PM EST
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another solid point that you'll never get these people to understand. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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one thing that always gets me when folks talk about pit aggression and talk about how long they were bred to fight, they never mention that for them same amount of years the human aggression was culled out of them. |
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Posted: 11/1/2018 2:03:14 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Anecdote warning. But my pit can't one bite pop tennis balls, the Cane can.. She grinds out any of the "indestructable" chew toys we get her in a minute as she works her way through her jaw growth and teething ( just turned 10 months.) My Rott, she could waste tennis and racquetballs in a few minutes, and was known to drag and throw 5 gallon propane tanks for fun. Chewed through a 2x4 4 times in about 20 minutes when she was an adolescent. Just look at the head of a pit versus a molosser, block vs wedge..far more attachment for muscles on the mastiffs. |
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Posted: 11/1/2018 2:03:22 PM EST
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I think we've identified our resident hillbilly dog fighting enthusiast
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Posted: 11/1/2018 2:04:43 PM EST
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We have a pit bull and a cane corso and the cane corso dominates the pit. Our cane corso is fucking MEAN. He's already bit 2 people and absolutely hates everybody and everything except us. We have to put him inside in a cage anytime company is over. Temperament has a lot to do with it in my opinion. People think they want a big mean guard dog but it's a lot of work and headache. I always find it funny how people say guard dogs are useless lol. Hey drop by any night and try to walk up to our house if you think so. My dad lives next door and calls before coming over. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/135920/20170107_162747_jpg-724418.JPG Canes are no joke and hard headed, they need a lot of work and attention. |
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