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Posted: 11/22/2021 9:54:46 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Very nice. Where did you get the barrels? Spring change? Weight? I reload so I can get around the lack or scarcity of factory ammo. Like OP it would be nothing more than a range toy. I have a spare G17 floating around here somewhere.  |
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Posted: 11/22/2021 10:02:50 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Are those screwdriver bullets safe to shoot out of a stock Glock barrel? Ooh yes. No different than any other bullet. I’m getting 1730 -1745fps without breathing hard on the powder charge. I don’t k ow what the upper limit for velocity is on Copper, but there is considerable room for improvement with .357SIG, 9x23 or 9X25 Dillon. Only in a clown world is a 68gr slug at 2200fps or of a handgun not a laser death ray… I’m after a reduction in bullet drop in the 120-150m range as my Glocks have braces on them. |
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Posted: 11/22/2021 10:05:00 AM EDT
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38/45 clarke
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Posted: 11/22/2021 10:20:45 AM EDT
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I may believe we are overlooking 7.5FK…. 10mm case necked to 7.5 with identical ballistics to a short barrel AK…
Factory ammo is available for it as FK Brno makes their Field Pistol and PSD. |
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Posted: 11/22/2021 10:33:58 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: OP, it is the .356 TSW, not the TSC. The .356 TSW is a much better option, frankly. It is a cartridge with the overall length of 9x19mm, but since it is a longer case. It can replicate the 124gr .357 Magnum from a 9mm framed Automatic. No difference in capacity. A G17 holds 17rd of .356 TSW. So all the benefit and none of the negative like the .357 Sig. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/321106/117941BB-30BD-405F-B0FF-77F92AA3999F_jpe-1643089.JPG https://gunsmagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/G1220-Handguns-5.jpg https://gunsmagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/G1220-Handguns-4.jpg https://gunsmagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/G1220-Handguns-2.jpg Thanks for the clarification. Seems like a contender, especially since I'm sitting on 2,000 RNFP 147gr projectiles which would seem to be the ticket to maximize case capacity while keeping the same OAL. I think someone else asked, but what is the secret sauce for barrels and recoil springs in a Glock? Might want to go full silly and do a comp'd G34 to wring all the velocity out of it. |
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Posted: 11/22/2021 10:38:29 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Thanks for the clarification. Seems like a contender, especially since I'm sitting on 2,000 RNFP 147gr projectiles which would seem to be the ticket to maximize case capacity while keeping the same OAL. I think someone else asked, but what is the secret sauce for barrels and recoil springs in a Glock? Might want to go full silly and do a comp'd G34 to wring all the velocity out of it. Just load those bullets in 9mm cases to 9mm major pf. Thats all the tsw is. The longer case is just for segregation of ammo. You can get a 9mm major barrel if you want the longer throat. |
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Posted: 11/22/2021 11:12:22 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Thanks for the clarification. Seems like a contender, especially since I'm sitting on 2,000 RNFP 147gr projectiles which would seem to be the ticket to maximize case capacity while keeping the same OAL. I think someone else asked, but what is the secret sauce for barrels and recoil springs in a Glock? Might want to go full silly and do a comp'd G34 to wring all the velocity out of it. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: OP, it is the .356 TSW, not the TSC. The .356 TSW is a much better option, frankly. It is a cartridge with the overall length of 9x19mm, but since it is a longer case. It can replicate the 124gr .357 Magnum from a 9mm framed Automatic. No difference in capacity. A G17 holds 17rd of .356 TSW. So all the benefit and none of the negative like the .357 Sig. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/321106/117941BB-30BD-405F-B0FF-77F92AA3999F_jpe-1643089.JPG https://gunsmagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/G1220-Handguns-5.jpg https://gunsmagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/G1220-Handguns-4.jpg https://gunsmagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/G1220-Handguns-2.jpg Thanks for the clarification. Seems like a contender, especially since I'm sitting on 2,000 RNFP 147gr projectiles which would seem to be the ticket to maximize case capacity while keeping the same OAL. I think someone else asked, but what is the secret sauce for barrels and recoil springs in a Glock? Might want to go full silly and do a comp'd G34 to wring all the velocity out of it. |
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Posted: 11/22/2021 11:19:52 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Just load those bullets in 9mm cases to 9mm major pf. Thats all the tsw is. The longer case is just for segregation of ammo. You can get a 9mm major barrel if you want the longer throat. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Thanks for the clarification. Seems like a contender, especially since I'm sitting on 2,000 RNFP 147gr projectiles which would seem to be the ticket to maximize case capacity while keeping the same OAL. I think someone else asked, but what is the secret sauce for barrels and recoil springs in a Glock? Might want to go full silly and do a comp'd G34 to wring all the velocity out of it. Just load those bullets in 9mm cases to 9mm major pf. Thats all the tsw is. The longer case is just for segregation of ammo. You can get a 9mm major barrel if you want the longer throat. I looked into 9 Major loads a few years back when I was shooting more gun games pre-kiddo and it seemed like virgin or once fired factory brass which was toast after one loading at Major pressures was recommended. Could have be misremembering and happy to stand corrected if that's the case. I exclusively use range pick up for 147gr loads moving at 1030fps as I shoot suppressed PCC and just do one load for all the 9mm things at this point. If I ran 9 Major I'd have to start segregating brass that has no differences save maybe headstamp if I purchased a batch, right? If I'm going to be buying brass anyway, I was thinking I'd go with something that's visually different and allow me to wring out all the velocity I could. Like I said, happy to be corrected if my recollection of 9 Major dos and don'ts is off. |
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Posted: 11/22/2021 2:10:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Supposedly APEX is cranking out a few. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Very nice. Where did you get the barrels? Spring change? Weight? I reload so I can get around the lack or scarcity of factory ammo. Like OP it would be nothing more than a range toy. I have a spare G17 floating around here somewhere. Could be but a quick search of their web site doesn't turn any up. If I get motivated after the first of the year I guess a phone call or email is in order to see if they are still producing. Found a "kit" with a Briley barrel, guide rod and set of springs online but they wanted $300 for it. 
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Posted: 11/22/2021 2:11:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistorySo the one on the far right is a genuine "dickfer" cartridge? 
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Posted: 11/22/2021 2:11:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I've been using 9mm +P+ Federal 9BPLE 115. Its a street proven stone dead killer, used by numerous agencies because it works.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9iiaXoRaRYGood round. They also make that in 40 and 45 too. I have a bunch of all three. |
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Posted: 11/22/2021 2:14:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So the one on the far right is a genuine "dickfer" cartridge? Right? Figure someone just wanted to stuff a 45 in a 30 carbine? casing just to say they did. |
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Posted: 11/22/2021 2:30:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Could be but a quick search of their web site doesn't turn any up. If I get motivated after the first of the year I guess a phone call or email is in order to see if they are still producing. Found a "kit" with a Briley barrel, guide rod and set of springs online but they wanted $300 for it. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Very nice. Where did you get the barrels? Spring change? Weight? I reload so I can get around the lack or scarcity of factory ammo. Like OP it would be nothing more than a range toy. I have a spare G17 floating around here somewhere. Could be but a quick search of their web site doesn't turn any up. If I get motivated after the first of the year I guess a phone call or email is in order to see if they are still producing. Found a "kit" with a Briley barrel, guide rod and set of springs online but they wanted $300 for it. Just looked on the Briley website and didn't see the caliber listed in any of their pistol barrel offerings. Might be a one off thing. |
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Posted: 11/22/2021 2:47:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: OP, it is the .356 TSW, not the TSC. The .356 TSW is a much better option, frankly. It is a cartridge with the overall length of 9x19mm, but since it is a longer case. It can replicate the 124gr .357 Magnum from a 9mm framed Automatic. No difference in capacity. A G17 holds 17rd of .356 TSW. So all the benefit and none of the negative like the .357 Sig. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/321106/117941BB-30BD-405F-B0FF-77F92AA3999F_jpe-1643089.JPG https://gunsmagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/G1220-Handguns-5.jpg https://gunsmagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/G1220-Handguns-4.jpg https://gunsmagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/G1220-Handguns-2.jpg @Miami_JBT - in your evaluation is there much practical difference between 356TSW and 960Rowland, other than the TSW being a S&W derived ‘90s cartridge? Seems they follow the same formula: longer case length, same overall length as 9x19, higher pressure for higher velocity, no reduced capacity. 960Rowland can be reloaded using unmodified 9x23 brass rather than needing a proprietary cartridge like the TSW too, so seems like sourcing components would be a bit easier for the 960 |
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Posted: 11/22/2021 2:53:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: @Miami_JBT - in your evaluation is there much practical difference between 356TSW and 960Rowland, other than the TSW being a S&W derived '90s cartridge? Seems they follow the same formula: longer case length, same overall length as 9x19, higher pressure for higher velocity, no reduced capacity. 960Rowland can be reloaded using unmodified 9x23 brass rather than needing a proprietary cartridge like the TSW too, so seems like sourcing components would be a bit easier for the 960 |
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Posted: 11/22/2021 3:19:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: .356 TSW is not a wildcat. It is a recognized SAAMI spec cartridge. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: @Miami_JBT - in your evaluation is there much practical difference between 356TSW and 960Rowland, other than the TSW being a S&W derived '90s cartridge? Seems they follow the same formula: longer case length, same overall length as 9x19, higher pressure for higher velocity, no reduced capacity. 960Rowland can be reloaded using unmodified 9x23 brass rather than needing a proprietary cartridge like the TSW too, so seems like sourcing components would be a bit easier for the 960 Ok, but I can find more components that work unmodified for the 960 than I can for 356 (cases being the major issue). OP’s handloading, but that gives him the option of just getting standard commonly available 9x23 cases and loading them unmodified for the 960 or sourcing some kind of longer case and then trimming each one down (21.5, 22.5mm?) for the 356. SAAMI recognition doesn’t seem to have resulted in better availability in this case |
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Posted: 11/22/2021 3:25:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: OP, it is the .356 TSW, not the TSC. The .356 TSW is a much better option, frankly. It is a cartridge with the overall length of 9x19mm, but since it is a longer case. It can replicate the 124gr .357 Magnum from a 9mm framed Automatic. No difference in capacity. A G17 holds 17rd of .356 TSW. So all the benefit and none of the negative like the .357 Sig. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/321106/117941BB-30BD-405F-B0FF-77F92AA3999F_jpe-1643089.JPG https://gunsmagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/G1220-Handguns-5.jpg https://gunsmagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/G1220-Handguns-4.jpg https://gunsmagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/G1220-Handguns-2.jpg How did I know you'd be here prosthelytizing for 356TSW?  Kharn |
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Posted: 11/22/2021 3:25:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: For the 9mm Parabellum, try the Hornady 115 grain XTP together with 6.7 grains of Power Pistol. The cartridge overall length is 1.075". From a 5 inch barrel you will see close to 1300 fps. This is a maximum load so use this data with discretion. |
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Posted: 11/22/2021 3:32:25 PM EDT
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OP, if you decide to go with the 356TSW and want a very unique historical pistol to shoot it out of, there’s a brand new unfired S&W 3566 PC pistol with four extra magazines for sale on gunbroker:
https://www.gunbroker.com/item/909693541 Not cheap, but a neat piece of history |
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Posted: 11/22/2021 3:39:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: OP, if you decide to go with the 356TSW and want a very unique historical pistol to shoot it out of, there's a brand new unfired S&W 3566 PC pistol with four extra magazines for sale on gunbroker: https://www.gunbroker.com/item/909693541 Not cheap, but a neat piece of history |
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Posted: 11/22/2021 3:40:22 PM EDT
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One other factor to consider - with the 960Rowland conversion, you can still shoot off the shelf 9x19 loads through a converted pistol without any modifications if you can’t source the 960 loads:
 Ruger P85 MK II Converted to .960 Rowland (MAG DUMP) That’s a nice option to have, your pistol won’t be a fancy paperweight if you don’t have any of the rarer cartridges to shoot through it |
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Posted: 11/22/2021 3:40:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I've been using 9mm +P+ Federal 9BPLE 115. Its a street proven stone dead killer, used by numerous agencies because it works. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9iiaXoRaRYvery few agencies still us 9bple because many realized that it actually kinda sucks |
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Posted: 11/22/2021 3:43:49 PM EDT
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I say get a custom barrel in 7.5 fk if you want to go all out, 9x25 Dillon is always a crowd favorite too
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Posted: 11/22/2021 4:31:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I say get a custom barrel in 7.5 fk if you want to go all out, 9x25 Dillon is always a crowd favorite too Did you read any part of this thread other than the title? |
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Posted: 11/22/2021 6:42:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I looked into 9 Major loads a few years back when I was shooting more gun games pre-kiddo and it seemed like virgin or once fired factory brass which was toast after one loading at Major pressures was recommended. Could have be misremembering and happy to stand corrected if that's the case. I exclusively use range pick up for 147gr loads moving at 1030fps as I shoot suppressed PCC and just do one load for all the 9mm things at this point. If I ran 9 Major I'd have to start segregating brass that has no differences save maybe headstamp if I purchased a batch, right? If I'm going to be buying brass anyway, I was thinking I'd go with something that's visually different and allow me to wring out all the velocity I could. Like I said, happy to be corrected if my recollection of 9 Major dos and don'ts is off. Thats how most people load it yeah. But you likely have more 9mm brass and can buy it wayyyy easier than any of these suggestions. |
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Posted: 11/22/2021 8:29:50 PM EDT
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Quoted: Ok, but I can find more components that work unmodified for the 960 than I can for 356 (cases being the major issue). OP’s handloading, but that gives him the option of just getting standard commonly available 9x23 cases and loading them unmodified for the 960 or sourcing some kind of longer case and then trimming each one down (21.5, 22.5mm?) for the 356. SAAMI recognition doesn’t seem to have resulted in better availability in this case Doing some more research today and it seems like the Rowland does take the lead when it comes to sourcing reloading components. And I would reload this from day one, so factory cost/availability is moot. Quoted: OP, if you decide to go with the 356TSW and want a very unique historical pistol to shoot it out of, there’s a brand new unfired S&W 3566 PC pistol with four extra magazines for sale on gunbroker: https://www.gunbroker.com/item/909693541 Not cheap, but a neat piece of history Thanks for the heads up but I’d be looking to add a 1911 or Glock slide to the stable vice a new, very expensive historical piece. She is pretty though. Quoted: One other factor to consider - with the 960Rowland conversion, you can still shoot off the shelf 9x19 loads through a converted pistol without any modifications if you can’t source the 960 loads: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zozQKFDrfGMThat’s a nice option to have, your pistol won’t be a fancy paperweight if you don’t have any of the rarer cartridges to shoot through it A very good point. Looks like I’m off to research the finer points of dies, brass, and powders for reloading 960 Rowland as well as how to source a Gen 3 G34 slide and threaded barrel. Figure an RMR and a comp should make this quite the little laser gun 
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Posted: 11/22/2021 8:31:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Thats how most people load it yeah. But you likely have more 9mm brass and can buy it wayyyy easier than any of these suggestions. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I looked into 9 Major loads a few years back when I was shooting more gun games pre-kiddo and it seemed like virgin or once fired factory brass which was toast after one loading at Major pressures was recommended. Could have be misremembering and happy to stand corrected if that's the case. I exclusively use range pick up for 147gr loads moving at 1030fps as I shoot suppressed PCC and just do one load for all the 9mm things at this point. If I ran 9 Major I'd have to start segregating brass that has no differences save maybe headstamp if I purchased a batch, right? If I'm going to be buying brass anyway, I was thinking I'd go with something that's visually different and allow me to wring out all the velocity I could. Like I said, happy to be corrected if my recollection of 9 Major dos and don'ts is off. Thats how most people load it yeah. But you likely have more 9mm brass and can buy it wayyyy easier than any of these suggestions. I guess if I was going the 9 Major route I’d end up buying new brass for each run and just putting whatever I pick back up into the ‘normal 147gr subs’ bucket at the end of the day. Will do some more comparing/contrasting 960 Rowland data and 9 Major data. Will poke around Enos’ forum for a bit, I suspect. |
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Posted: 11/22/2021 9:11:46 PM EDT
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If going the 960Rowland route getting the correct barrel is a bit different, you don’t purchase a barrel already chambered for the 960 cartridge - you select your own 9x19 barrel of your choosing then send it off to Rowland to have the chamber reamed to accept the longer 960 case length, and that’s it:
https://www.460rowland.com/shop/960-rowland-conversions/full-size-9mm-to-true-357/ Given the higher gas pressure they do recommend using a threaded barrel with a compensator |
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Posted: 11/22/2021 9:30:54 PM EDT
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Spanish Santa Barbara 9x19 was pretty hot. My UZI ate it up like it was wet pussy
 I also ran it in a STAR Super B. OP, why not just buy a pistol in .357Sig (G31 or similar) if you want .357Sig ballistics? |
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Posted: 11/22/2021 9:34:58 PM EDT
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…nevermind…
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Posted: 11/22/2021 9:36:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I have some of the Underwood 68gr. +P XD's at like 1800fps. Stuff seems pretty nasty. That’s my HD loadout. Incredible ammo. |
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Posted: 11/22/2021 9:42:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Spanish Santa Barbara 9x19 was pretty hot. My UZI ate it up like it was wet pussy I also ran it in a STAR Super B. OP, why not just buy a pistol in .357Sig (G31 or similar) if you want .357Sig ballistics? Capacity and reload ability, as he explained previously |
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Posted: 11/22/2021 9:45:22 PM EDT
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Here’s a great thorough article on handloading the 960 I posted in the thread about 357Sig:
https://www.shootingtimes.com/editorial/handloading-960-rowland/99387 |
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Posted: 11/23/2021 9:17:43 AM EDT
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Quoted: If going the 960Rowland route getting the correct barrel is a bit different, you don’t purchase a barrel already chambered for the 960 cartridge - you select your own 9x19 barrel of your choosing then send it off to Rowland to have the chamber reamed to accept the longer 960 case length, and that’s it: https://www.460rowland.com/shop/960-rowland-conversions/full-size-9mm-to-true-357/ Given the higher gas pressure they do recommend using a threaded barrel with a compensator Quoted: Here’s a great thorough article on handloading the 960 I posted in the thread about 357Sig: https://www.shootingtimes.com/editorial/handloading-960-rowland/99387 @Rudukai13 You, sir, are a tremendous human being. Thanks Think I'll start searching for a Gen 3 G34 slide cut for an RMR, a 22lb recoil spring, and threaded barrel/comp to eventually send to 460Rowland. Have an extra P80 frame and LPK gathering dust which might be the perfect host for a silly long pistol for slinging laser beam-like 9mm projectiles
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Posted: 11/23/2021 9:53:37 AM EDT
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Maybe a dumb question but why do they call it a 960?
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Posted: 11/23/2021 10:01:04 AM EDT
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In a 9mm 1911?
Your choices are 38 Super (and that will depend on if the breechface in your slide is a true 9mm breechface, or if Kimber has a generic 38S/9mm breechface that'll fit both), 38 SuperComp (should fit in a 9mm breechface), and uh...9mm. Oh and 9x23, but the people saying to use that clearly either don't know that it's a dead caliber, or think everyone handloads...good luck finding a box whenever you want some. I can find 38Super, and even some 38SuperComp loads right now...haven't been able to find 9x23 in years in either plinking or self defense loads. You'll need to go the boutique / $$$ barrel way if you want a barrel chambered in it, too. 9x25 Dillon, .357 Sig, and others use a 10mm/40S&W casehead. Won't fit in a 9mm/38S breechface. Don't know about .356TSW, except it died on the vine years ago, and you can't find ammo for it. Maybe you can find some brass, but good luck sourcing dies and the rest. Edit - I suppose you could go 9mm Steyr, 9x21/Largo, and a few other Euro/non-military calibers...but, why?
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Posted: 11/23/2021 10:01:37 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Maybe a dumb question but why do they call it a 960? Not sure, but it might just be that Rowland wanted to stick with a similar naming convention for his earlier produced 460 Rowland that does the same things (longer chamber and case for more pressure/velocity) in a .45ACP pistol. https://www.460rowland.com/ |
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Posted: 11/23/2021 10:02:59 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 9X23 is pretty much the apex, in a 1911, if you're looking to get fancy, and don't want a 10mm or 9 X 25. |
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Posted: 11/23/2021 2:45:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Just looked on the Briley website and didn't see the caliber listed in any of their pistol barrel offerings. Might be a one off thing. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Very nice. Where did you get the barrels? Spring change? Weight? I reload so I can get around the lack or scarcity of factory ammo. Like OP it would be nothing more than a range toy. I have a spare G17 floating around here somewhere. Could be but a quick search of their web site doesn't turn any up. If I get motivated after the first of the year I guess a phone call or email is in order to see if they are still producing. Found a "kit" with a Briley barrel, guide rod and set of springs online but they wanted $300 for it. Just looked on the Briley website and didn't see the caliber listed in any of their pistol barrel offerings. Might be a one off thing. Nope, wasn't on the Briley site either. But the pictures clearly had their name on the Barrel/Kit packaging. Perhaps it too is "out of production"? I did find an old post in a forum that had similar pictures so it was a thing back in late 2019 / early 2020. |
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Posted: 11/23/2021 2:52:41 PM EDT
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.38 Super or Super Comp is what you seek.
I shoot a shit ton of 1400+ FPS 124 grain 9mm rounds out of my .38 Super Comp 2011. Only real difference between Super and Super Comp is the rim. I've been told many .38 Super guns shoot both interchangeably no problem. |
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Posted: 11/23/2021 4:33:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If I had the cash right now, I'd be all over that! Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: OP, if you decide to go with the 356TSW and want a very unique historical pistol to shoot it out of, there's a brand new unfired S&W 3566 PC pistol with four extra magazines for sale on gunbroker: https://www.gunbroker.com/item/909693541 Not cheap, but a neat piece of history I remember Summit Gun Broker dumping those for like $250-300. |
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Posted: 11/24/2021 7:50:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Maybe a dumb question but why do they call it a 960? Marketing. The idea is 960R is to 9x19 what 460R is to 45ACP |
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Posted: 11/24/2021 7:52:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: In a 9mm 1911? Your choices are 38 Super (and that will depend on if the breechface in your slide is a true 9mm breechface, or if Kimber has a generic 38S/9mm breechface that'll fit both), 38 SuperComp (should fit in a 9mm breechface), and uh...9mm. Oh and 9x23, but the people saying to use that clearly either don't know that it's a dead caliber, or think everyone handloads...good luck finding a box whenever you want some. I can find 38Super, and even some 38SuperComp loads right now...haven't been able to find 9x23 in years in either plinking or self defense loads. You'll need to go the boutique / $$$ barrel way if you want a barrel chambered in it, too. 9x25 Dillon, .357 Sig, and others use a 10mm/40S&W casehead. Won't fit in a 9mm/38S breechface. Don't know about .356TSW, except it died on the vine years ago, and you can't find ammo for it. Maybe you can find some brass, but good luck sourcing dies and the rest. Edit - I suppose you could go 9mm Steyr, 9x21/Largo, and a few other Euro/non-military calibers...but, why? Quote HistoryQuoted: In a 9mm 1911? Your choices are 38 Super (and that will depend on if the breechface in your slide is a true 9mm breechface, or if Kimber has a generic 38S/9mm breechface that'll fit both), 38 SuperComp (should fit in a 9mm breechface), and uh...9mm. Oh and 9x23, but the people saying to use that clearly either don't know that it's a dead caliber, or think everyone handloads...good luck finding a box whenever you want some. I can find 38Super, and even some 38SuperComp loads right now...haven't been able to find 9x23 in years in either plinking or self defense loads. You'll need to go the boutique / $$$ barrel way if you want a barrel chambered in it, too. 9x25 Dillon, .357 Sig, and others use a 10mm/40S&W casehead. Won't fit in a 9mm/38S breechface. Don't know about .356TSW, except it died on the vine years ago, and you can't find ammo for it. Maybe you can find some brass, but good luck sourcing dies and the rest. Edit - I suppose you could go 9mm Steyr, 9x21/Largo, and a few other Euro/non-military calibers...but, why? Quoted: .38 Super or Super Comp is what you seek. I shoot a shit ton of 1400+ FPS 124 grain 9mm rounds out of my .38 Super Comp 2011. Only real difference between Super and Super Comp is the rim. I've been told many .38 Super guns shoot both interchangeably no problem. Seriously, do people have something against reading beyond the thread title or something? |
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Posted: 11/24/2021 8:15:57 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: @Rudukai13 You, sir, are a tremendous human being. Thanks Think I'll start searching for a Gen 3 G34 slide cut for an RMR, a 22lb recoil spring, and threaded barrel/comp to eventually send to 460Rowland. Have an extra P80 frame and LPK gathering dust which might be the perfect host for a silly long pistol for slinging laser beam-like 9mm projectiles If you’re building a dedicated silly long niche cartridge comped pistol, I vote go all out: http://www.agencyarms.com/agency-optic-mount-aom |
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Posted: 11/24/2021 8:41:58 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Seriously, do people have something against reading beyond the thread title or something? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: In a 9mm 1911? Your choices are 38 Super (and that will depend on if the breechface in your slide is a true 9mm breechface, or if Kimber has a generic 38S/9mm breechface that'll fit both), 38 SuperComp (should fit in a 9mm breechface), and uh...9mm. Oh and 9x23, but the people saying to use that clearly either don't know that it's a dead caliber, or think everyone handloads...good luck finding a box whenever you want some. I can find 38Super, and even some 38SuperComp loads right now...haven't been able to find 9x23 in years in either plinking or self defense loads. You'll need to go the boutique / $$$ barrel way if you want a barrel chambered in it, too. 9x25 Dillon, .357 Sig, and others use a 10mm/40S&W casehead. Won't fit in a 9mm/38S breechface. Don't know about .356TSW, except it died on the vine years ago, and you can't find ammo for it. Maybe you can find some brass, but good luck sourcing dies and the rest. Edit - I suppose you could go 9mm Steyr, 9x21/Largo, and a few other Euro/non-military calibers...but, why? Quoted: .38 Super or Super Comp is what you seek. I shoot a shit ton of 1400+ FPS 124 grain 9mm rounds out of my .38 Super Comp 2011. Only real difference between Super and Super Comp is the rim. I've been told many .38 Super guns shoot both interchangeably no problem. Seriously, do people have something against reading beyond the thread title or something? We both literally answered his question as he asked about a 9mm 1911? What's the issue? None of it would work in a Glock, in that frame size anyway (not without some pretty radical changes anyway)...so in the Glock he's kind of stuck with 9mm or 357 Sig, give or take. If he steps up to the G20/21 frame size, 9x25 Dillon becomes a thing.. |
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Posted: 11/24/2021 8:57:04 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: One other factor to consider - with the 960Rowland conversion, you can still shoot off the shelf 9x19 loads through a converted pistol without any modifications if you can’t source the 960 loads: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zozQKFDrfGMThat’s a nice option to have, your pistol won’t be a fancy paperweight if you don’t have any of the rarer cartridges to shoot through it Are you saying you can fire 9mm through the .960 Rowland barrel? I've heard of people doing similar by firing .40S&W through a 10mm barrel, but I wouldn't recommend it. You're relying on the extractor to hold the cartridge in place while the firing pin hits the primer, rather than headspacing on the case mouth as intended. I can't imagine it being good for the longevity of the extractor, either. |
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Posted: 11/24/2021 9:02:36 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted: We both literally answered his question as he asked about a 9mm 1911? What's the issue? None of it would work in a Glock, in that frame size anyway (not without some pretty radical changes anyway)...so in the Glock he's kind of stuck with 9mm or 357 Sig, give or take. If he steps up to the G20/21 frame size, 9x25 Dillon becomes a thing.. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: In a 9mm 1911? Your choices are 38 Super (and that will depend on if the breechface in your slide is a true 9mm breechface, or if Kimber has a generic 38S/9mm breechface that'll fit both), 38 SuperComp (should fit in a 9mm breechface), and uh...9mm. Oh and 9x23, but the people saying to use that clearly either don't know that it's a dead caliber, or think everyone handloads...good luck finding a box whenever you want some. I can find 38Super, and even some 38SuperComp loads right now...haven't been able to find 9x23 in years in either plinking or self defense loads. You'll need to go the boutique / $$$ barrel way if you want a barrel chambered in it, too. 9x25 Dillon, .357 Sig, and others use a 10mm/40S&W casehead. Won't fit in a 9mm/38S breechface. Don't know about .356TSW, except it died on the vine years ago, and you can't find ammo for it. Maybe you can find some brass, but good luck sourcing dies and the rest. Edit - I suppose you could go 9mm Steyr, 9x21/Largo, and a few other Euro/non-military calibers...but, why? Quoted: .38 Super or Super Comp is what you seek. I shoot a shit ton of 1400+ FPS 124 grain 9mm rounds out of my .38 Super Comp 2011. Only real difference between Super and Super Comp is the rim. I've been told many .38 Super guns shoot both interchangeably no problem. Seriously, do people have something against reading beyond the thread title or something? We both literally answered his question as he asked about a 9mm 1911? What's the issue? None of it would work in a Glock, in that frame size anyway (not without some pretty radical changes anyway)...so in the Glock he's kind of stuck with 9mm or 357 Sig, give or take. If he steps up to the G20/21 frame size, 9x25 Dillon becomes a thing.. Read the actual posts throughout mostly the first page |
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Posted: 11/24/2021 9:04:31 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Are you saying you can fire 9mm through the .960 Rowland barrel? I've heard of people doing similar by firing .40S&W through a 10mm barrel, but I wouldn't recommend it. You're relying on the extractor to hold the cartridge in place while the firing pin hits the primer, rather than headspacing on the case mouth as intended. I can't imagine it being good for the longevity of the extractor, either. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: One other factor to consider - with the 960Rowland conversion, you can still shoot off the shelf 9x19 loads through a converted pistol without any modifications if you can’t source the 960 loads: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zozQKFDrfGMThat’s a nice option to have, your pistol won’t be a fancy paperweight if you don’t have any of the rarer cartridges to shoot through it Are you saying you can fire 9mm through the .960 Rowland barrel? I've heard of people doing similar by firing .40S&W through a 10mm barrel, but I wouldn't recommend it. You're relying on the extractor to hold the cartridge in place while the firing pin hits the primer, rather than headspacing on the case mouth as intended. I can't imagine it being good for the longevity of the extractor, either. I was just repeating information stated publicly by the manufacturer. Their website states you can still shoot standard 9x19 out of a converted 960 and the YouTube video I linked to shows them doing so. Somewhat weak ejection, but it works |
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Posted: 11/24/2021 11:34:41 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Read the actual posts throughout mostly the first page Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: In a 9mm 1911? Your choices are 38 Super (and that will depend on if the breechface in your slide is a true 9mm breechface, or if Kimber has a generic 38S/9mm breechface that'll fit both), 38 SuperComp (should fit in a 9mm breechface), and uh...9mm. Oh and 9x23, but the people saying to use that clearly either don't know that it's a dead caliber, or think everyone handloads...good luck finding a box whenever you want some. I can find 38Super, and even some 38SuperComp loads right now...haven't been able to find 9x23 in years in either plinking or self defense loads. You'll need to go the boutique / $$$ barrel way if you want a barrel chambered in it, too. 9x25 Dillon, .357 Sig, and others use a 10mm/40S&W casehead. Won't fit in a 9mm/38S breechface. Don't know about .356TSW, except it died on the vine years ago, and you can't find ammo for it. Maybe you can find some brass, but good luck sourcing dies and the rest. Edit - I suppose you could go 9mm Steyr, 9x21/Largo, and a few other Euro/non-military calibers...but, why? Quoted: .38 Super or Super Comp is what you seek. I shoot a shit ton of 1400+ FPS 124 grain 9mm rounds out of my .38 Super Comp 2011. Only real difference between Super and Super Comp is the rim. I've been told many .38 Super guns shoot both interchangeably no problem. Seriously, do people have something against reading beyond the thread title or something? We both literally answered his question as he asked about a 9mm 1911? What's the issue? None of it would work in a Glock, in that frame size anyway (not without some pretty radical changes anyway)...so in the Glock he's kind of stuck with 9mm or 357 Sig, give or take. If he steps up to the G20/21 frame size, 9x25 Dillon becomes a thing.. Read the actual posts throughout mostly the first page Yes, I did...did you? .355 bullets, 9mm 1911, barrel or spring change None of what we typed deviates from that...what are you on about? |
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Posted: 11/24/2021 11:37:28 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I've been using 9mm +P+ Federal 9BPLE 115. Its a street proven stone dead killer, used by numerous agencies because it works. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W9iiaXoRaRYI remember being able to buy this for $12.99 a box two yers ago. I kick myself for only getting a few boxes. It's definitely hot as hell. |
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