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Posted: 6/21/2023 2:08:11 PM EDT
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Total rounds on board are not as important as the gun actually working.....they all have issues
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Posted: 6/21/2023 2:18:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I recently saw a documentary where a Top Gun instructor pulled 10. Swiss hornets are rated for 9 |
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Posted: 6/21/2023 2:26:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The F-16 dies in beautiful fission cloud. Natives everywhere talk about the pretty cloud in the sky. Canadians die. Win. Win. Win. Dat Genie doe The Voodoo and Delta Dart might've had the terrible Falcon but the Genie made up for it |
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Posted: 6/21/2023 2:57:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Never flew Cs, how often were they flying with live rounds? On the Es, setting the counter to >799 (900 was standard) hydraulically safed the gun. In such instances, the gun would also be mechanically safed (with like 3 different pins). He also said they do not typically load to 500 rounds (even with the combat ammo) because it's a PITA to get the last segment loaded in there. (I assume they would make the effort, outside of a training environment.) Edit: Found this regarding the F15  Loading 20mm Rounds into F-15's M61 Vulcan | Universal Ammunition Loading System Looks like the F16 uses a whole different "ammunition drum" that I assume is easier to load. https://www.f-16.net/f-16_armament_article5.html |
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Posted: 6/21/2023 3:00:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Swiss hornets are rated for 9 |
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Posted: 6/21/2023 3:17:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Depends if the F-16 driver has an awesome soundtrack strapped to his leg. Fuck yeah!! Doug Masters for the win! |
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Posted: 6/21/2023 3:20:06 PM EDT
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Eagle
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Posted: 6/21/2023 3:21:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Dat Genie doe The Voodoo and Delta Dart might've had the terrible Falcon but the Genie made up for it I seem to recall hearing an interview with a 106 pilot who went into quite a bit of detail about how the Falcon wasn’t actually terrible. It’s awful combat record was the result of a mismatch with onboard computers. The F4s computer especially. But since the problem was never fixed I suppose one can just say, tomatoe, tomahtoe in this case. 
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Posted: 6/21/2023 3:21:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: SPNI If it's a classical turning, WW2 style dogfight, F16 all the way Modern "dogfight" that's BVR? F15 So we are using the most up to date versions of all these birds and assuming engagement of 80 years ago? |
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Posted: 6/21/2023 3:25:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: When I was in the navy I was an F-14 plane captain for a while so I spent a lot of time out on the flight line when we were back at the beach. The hangar next to ours was some sort of skunk works type that had all sort of fighter aircraft. My favorite was the F-16. It was tiny compared to the F-14 and F-15 and even the FA-18. Just from what I’ve seen from the ground my guess is it can fly circles around the bigger aircraft. I can’t speak to the weapons systems (only the F14) but I’m certain it remains supreme in maneuverability. Do you actually need to carry fuel and weapons on the 16? |
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Posted: 6/21/2023 3:26:10 PM EDT
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If you want to get anywhere and do anything you do...
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Posted: 6/21/2023 3:26:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So do these various models have a "hard" never-exceed rating, or do they just kinda pick an arbitrary number and advise that to pilots, so as not to induce too much stress on the airframe (and thereby shorten its overall service life)? Swiss hornets have their airframe slightly modified. |
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Posted: 6/22/2023 9:15:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Never flew Cs, how often were they flying with live rounds? On the Es, setting the counter to >799 (900 was standard) hydraulically safed the gun. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I have worked C's for a long time, I always see 880 as the number. I need to ask them why. Also I've noticed that when they are ferrying with 3 tanks and travel pods the round count will be really low, like REALLY low. Weight is my guess, they seem to struggle to get off the deck in full burner (I know better but you get my drift). Never flew Cs, how often were they flying with live rounds? On the Es, setting the counter to >799 (900 was standard) hydraulically safed the gun. Always live, pins removed at EOR. The Aggressors fly inert I believe for ballast. |
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Posted: 6/22/2023 10:00:04 PM EDT
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Posted: 6/22/2023 11:15:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What if you throw one of these in the mix? https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/111848/IMG_0815_jpeg-2860773.JPG It wasn't built for dogfighting, so not great on that front. |
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Posted: 6/26/2023 4:08:38 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I have worked C's for a long time, I always see 880 as the number. I need to ask them why. Also I've noticed that when they are ferrying with 3 tanks and travel pods the round count will be really low, like REALLY low. Weight is my guess, they seem to struggle to get off the deck in full burner (I know better but you get my drift). Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Look up F-15C 940 rounds I have worked C's for a long time, I always see 880 as the number. I need to ask them why. Also I've noticed that when they are ferrying with 3 tanks and travel pods the round count will be really low, like REALLY low. Weight is my guess, they seem to struggle to get off the deck in full burner (I know better but you get my drift). I have flown with 3 tanks, full gun, and full load of 8 missiles. It gets of the ground just fine. I flew it for 15 straight years and not once did I ever takeoff without a full gun with 940 rounds. Not once, even training. We kept them full all the time. One less thing to load if you need to fly with weapons. I did land with an empty gun a few or more times. |
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Posted: 6/26/2023 4:09:40 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Never flew Cs, how often were they flying with live rounds? On the Es, setting the counter to >799 (900 was standard) hydraulically safed the gun. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I have worked C's for a long time, I always see 880 as the number. I need to ask them why. Also I've noticed that when they are ferrying with 3 tanks and travel pods the round count will be really low, like REALLY low. Weight is my guess, they seem to struggle to get off the deck in full burner (I know better but you get my drift). Never flew Cs, how often were they flying with live rounds? On the Es, setting the counter to >799 (900 was standard) hydraulically safed the gun. I flew As and Cs for 15 straight years, every single time I took off it had a full 940 rounds. |
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Posted: 6/26/2023 9:58:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I flew As and Cs for 15 straight years, every single time I took off it had a full 940 rounds. Guns on Es were only loaded the day of, sometimes day prior, planned use. Majority of training flights went with empty guns. |
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