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Posted: 1/6/2024 9:24:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Mike Tyson in his prime would kick the holy hell out of the rest while in their prime if it were possible to put such an event together. My opinion. I think the Ali that faced Foreman would frustrate and wear down any form of Tyson, prime or not. Ali had slowed down a bit from his prime, but he was wiser and mentally stronger than any form of Tyson. Foreman is one of the all time great punchers and Ali ate his punches all night. The damage he sustained in that fight likely contributed to his deterioration later in life. Again, it is an excellent example of his durability and mental toughness. That form of Ali would KO Tyson or have him quit. |
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Posted: 1/6/2024 9:26:24 PM EDT
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The best heavyweight boxer in the world does not lose to Buster Douglas at 42-1 odds.
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Posted: 1/6/2024 9:26:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You know that Douglas knocked Tyson out in that time frame, right? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: No one who's ever walked the earth could go toe to toe with Tyson early in his career, talking like 1985-1990. Knocked out Michael Spinks in 90 seconds, Carl Williams in less than a minute, Marvis Frazier in 20 seconds, and was the only person to ever knock out Larry Holmes. Not sure we'll ever see another fighter as dominant as he was in that 5 year period. You know that Douglas knocked Tyson out in that time frame, right? |
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Posted: 1/6/2024 9:32:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The best heavyweight boxer in the world does not lose to Buster Douglas at 42-1 odds.  Attached File |
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Posted: 1/6/2024 9:34:35 PM EDT
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Tyson was exciting to watch in his prime. But those saying he is the best heavyweight in history need to watch more than his highlight videos on YouTube.
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Posted: 1/6/2024 9:34:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You know that Douglas knocked Tyson out in that time frame, right? Douglas fought a hell of a fight that night. Regardless of Tyson not taking him seriously enough, Buster was on fire that night and earned that victory. |
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Posted: 1/6/2024 9:35:37 PM EDT
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FPNI
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Posted: 1/6/2024 9:37:03 PM EDT
[#8]
C. Clay
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Posted: 1/6/2024 9:41:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Because Arfcom refuses to accept reality. Ali, in his prime, was an amazing fighter. This. If anyone has never seen Ali/Frazier I, then they really don't understand at all. |
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Posted: 1/6/2024 9:47:19 PM EDT
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Are all the Tyson proponents forgetting about Mitch Green?
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Posted: 1/6/2024 9:48:34 PM EDT
[#11]
As stated previously Jack Johnson
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Posted: 1/6/2024 9:53:32 PM EDT
[#12]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Are all the Tyson proponents forgetting about Mitch Green? He beat him in the ring and damn near killed him out of it.  We're also talking Prime/ Young Tyson, not the one after Gus was out of the picture. |
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Posted: 1/6/2024 9:54:42 PM EDT
[#13]
Jack Johnson
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Posted: 1/6/2024 9:55:32 PM EDT
[#14]
 Jack Dempsey - Brutal Destruction - Highlight Reel Colorized |
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Posted: 1/6/2024 9:56:17 PM EDT
[#15]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Tyson |
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Posted: 1/6/2024 9:58:44 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/6/2024 10:08:28 PM EDT
[#17]
Butterbean
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Posted: 1/6/2024 10:14:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: He beat him in the ring and damn near killed him out of it. We're also talking Prime/ Young Tyson, not the one after Gus was out of the picture. Tyson was 23 YOA when he lost to Douglas. He was 30 YOA when he lost his 1st fight to Evander Holyfield. He was in his prime both fights. |
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Posted: 1/6/2024 10:19:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Tyson was 23 YOA when he lost to Douglas. He was 30 YOA when he lost his 1st fight to Evander Holyfield. He was in his prime both fights. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: He beat him in the ring and damn near killed him out of it. We're also talking Prime/ Young Tyson, not the one after Gus was out of the picture. Tyson was 23 YOA when he lost to Douglas. He was 30 YOA when he lost his 1st fight to Evander Holyfield. He was in his prime both fights. no, he wasn't. |
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Posted: 1/6/2024 10:19:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Rocky Marciano. Could knock you out with a 6" punch. |
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Posted: 1/6/2024 10:33:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Tyson was an animal. So fast. So much rage. I'd like to see a methed and/or coked up Prime Mike Tyson fight. Actshully, Tyson was coked out for many of his fights... https://bleacherreport.com/articles/1847985-mike-tyson-says-he-was-on-drugs-in-major-fights-reveals-how-he-passed-tests?hpt=hp_t2 Anyway I've got Ali over Tyson, since Tyson struggled against elite mobile "outside" fighters, and he also had stamina issues that would cost him against someone of Ali's caliber after about the 5th round or so. I could see Tyson blasting out some of the fighters Ali had major issues with though, like Norton, or even Frazier. |
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Posted: 1/6/2024 10:42:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Tyson was 23 YOA when he lost to Douglas. He was 30 YOA when he lost his 1st fight to Evander Holyfield. He was in his prime both fights. Prime Tyson was right before Douglas. Everything after was crazy post prison paycheck Tyson. He was always a mental mess, but after Gus he couldn't keep it together at all. |
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Posted: 1/6/2024 10:42:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: no, he wasn't. 23-30 YOA, not in prime. Gotcha. Go checkout the age for champion fighters in boxing and MMA and find out how wrong you are, Spanky. |
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Posted: 1/6/2024 10:45:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 23-30 YOA, not in prime. Gotcha. Go checkout the age for champion fighters in boxing and MMA and find out how wrong you are, Spanky. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: no, he wasn't. 23-30 YOA, not in prime. Gotcha. Go checkout the age for champion fighters in boxing and MMA and find out how wrong you are, Spanky. jfc, 23-30 year old wasn't Tyson's prime. |
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Posted: 1/6/2024 10:46:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 23-30 YOA, not in prime. Gotcha. Go checkout the age for champion fighters in boxing and MMA and find out how wrong you are, Spanky. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: no, he wasn't. 23-30 YOA, not in prime. Gotcha. Go checkout the age for champion fighters in boxing and MMA and find out how wrong you are, Spanky. As noted above Tyson was coked out before the Douglas fight. He had partied way too hard to be considered prime. |
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Posted: 1/6/2024 10:48:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Prime Tyson was right before Douglas. Everything after was crazy post prison paycheck Tyson. He was always a mental mess, but after Gus he couldn't keep it together at all. Excuses, excuses. Cus D’Amatto died when Tyson was 19 YOA, you know when Tyson, according to you, was over the hill. |
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Posted: 1/6/2024 10:50:02 PM EDT
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IMO Tyson was only at an All Time Great level from sometime after his pro debut in 1985 to when he fought Michael Spinks in 1988.
After that he was clearly on the downswing and largely costing off the reputation he built during that time. |
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Posted: 1/6/2024 10:50:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Excuses, excuses. Cus D’Amatto died when Tyson was 19 YOA, you know when Tyson, according to you, was over the hill. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Prime Tyson was right before Douglas. Everything after was crazy post prison paycheck Tyson. He was always a mental mess, but after Gus he couldn't keep it together at all. Excuses, excuses. Cus D’Amatto died when Tyson was 19 YOA, you know when Tyson, according to you, was over the hill. Tyson wrecked his own career, we will never know what he could have been. |
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Posted: 1/6/2024 10:55:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: IMO Tyson was only at an All Time Great level from sometime after his pro debut in 1985 to when he fought Michael Spinks in 1988. After that he was clearly on the downswing and largely costing off the reputation he built during that time. and that was because of Don King, because he made Tyson fire Rooney which game him the only structure in his life at the time. After Rooney was gone, his skill dropped off, his relationship with Robin Givens, his rape conviction, drugs, etc all impacted his boxing, he was never the same. |
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Posted: 1/6/2024 10:56:23 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Excuses, excuses. Cus D’Amatto died when Tyson was 19 YOA, you know when Tyson, according to you, was over the hill. Excuses? Excuses for what? Tyson was the youngest champ ever, a compete hood with mental issues since childhood. Prime Tyson simply means when he was young and had some influences to keep him focused. Early Tyson was a bad bad man. |
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Posted: 1/6/2024 10:56:30 PM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: As noted above Tyson was coked out before the Douglas fight. He had partied way too hard to be considered prime. If Tyson was past his prime at 23 yoa, which he wasn’t, then that means he was never the all time greatest heavyweight boxer, by your own reasoning. 
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Posted: 1/6/2024 10:59:57 PM EDT
[#32]
Ali in his prime would have danced around Tyson rocking him with his jabs.Tyson never faced anybody with Ali’s feet or hand speed.
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Posted: 1/6/2024 11:00:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Excuses? Excuses for what? Tyson was the youngest champ ever, a compete hood with mental issues since childhood. Prime Tyson simply means when he was young and had some influences to keep him focused. Early Tyson was a bad bad man. The question posed was who was the all time best heavyweight. Tyson could not be in this category under your own logic, because, according to you, he lost his focus at an early age. |
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Posted: 1/6/2024 11:04:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ali in his prime would have danced around Tyson rocking him with his jabs.Tyson never faced anybody with Ali’s feet or hand speed. I call BS on that too, Tyson hand speed was faster and harder than Ali's. Tyson fought close-in while Ali used a jabbed to keep other away. |
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Posted: 1/6/2024 11:11:42 PM EDT
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In his prime, with his original trainer, Tyson was unbeatable by anyone, including Ali. Tyson was a schizo asshole but at his peak he was the greatest and toughest brawler ever.
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Posted: 1/6/2024 11:15:40 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If Tyson was past his prime at 23 yoa, which he wasn’t, then that means he was never the all time greatest heavyweight boxer, by your own reasoning. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: As noted above Tyson was coked out before the Douglas fight. He had partied way too hard to be considered prime. If Tyson was past his prime at 23 yoa, which he wasn’t, then that means he was never the all time greatest heavyweight boxer, by your own reasoning. It is a fact he was coked out and on the decline. Only dilettantes consider him the greatest, he will be the first to admit he isn’t. |
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Posted: 1/6/2024 11:16:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I call BS on that too, Tyson hand speed was faster and harder than Ali's. Tyson fought close-in while Ali used a jabbed to keep other away. Ali was faster with single punches and the 1-2, while Tyson was faster with combinations, and certainly the harder puncher. He wasn't actually that great on the inside though unless he was pressing a guy that was already hurt. Tyson was unusual in that he did his best work from medium range. An elite "inside" or "outside" fighter could beat him at their preferred range, and there weren't too many outside fighters at heavyweight better than Ali. |
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Posted: 1/6/2024 11:17:46 PM EDT
[#38]
Larry Holmes.
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Posted: 1/6/2024 11:23:57 PM EDT
[#39]
I'll go with any of the old guys.
 EP23 Boxing with Ghosts |
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Posted: 1/6/2024 11:25:34 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Tyson No question |
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Posted: 1/6/2024 11:25:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Tyson |
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Posted: 1/6/2024 11:52:09 PM EDT
[#42]
Tyson...
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Posted: 1/7/2024 12:44:45 AM EDT
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Posted: 1/7/2024 12:51:00 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Don King has been a cancer to boxing , imo . George Foreman was my favorite .  Wasn't Foreman also practically impervious to punches? Which boxer could have shaken Tyson's punches off? |
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Posted: 1/7/2024 1:09:01 AM EDT
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Holyfield beat Tyson , Bowe , Botha , Holmes , and Foreman
Lost to Lennox Lewis |
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Posted: 1/7/2024 2:15:04 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Holyfield beat Tyson , Bowe , Botha , Holmes , and Foreman Lost to Lennox Lewis Bowe beat a prime-ish Holyfield 2 out of 3, once by stoppage. Like Tyson he was a major threat for a short period. I would have loved to have seen Bowe fight Tyson, but unfortunately he was basically shot by the time Tyson got out of prison and had worked himself back into contention. |
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Posted: 1/7/2024 2:18:18 AM EDT
[#47]
Jem Mace
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Posted: 1/7/2024 2:39:08 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ali in his prime would have danced around Tyson rocking him with his jabs.Tyson never faced anybody with Ali’s feet or hand speed. Ali's most underrated ability is his chin. He could eat punches from anyone. He was also amazing at taking a charging bull and corralling him inside. If you got inside Ali could frustrate the best with his long arms and ability to clinch. Ali takes Tyson to the deep water and drowns him in the later rounds. |
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Posted: 1/7/2024 2:40:39 AM EDT
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Tyson in a three way ticket with him, a big male chimp and a grizzly bear all in the ring simultaneously. All three high on meth and jabbed with cattle prods if they come within reach of the ropes.
Winner takes all. |
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Posted: 1/7/2024 5:35:30 AM EDT
[#50]
Ingemar Johansson
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