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Posted: 8/9/2020 8:20:56 AM EDT
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Just curious as to what the benefit to not eating vegetables is.
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Posted: 8/9/2020 8:23:38 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Just curious as to what the benefit to not eating vegetables is. Plants often produce toxins as their defense against predation, since they can’t run. The theory is that less toxins equals less inflammation and immune system issues. I personally think that as long as you’re getting enough fat it’ll probably work out just fine. |
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Posted: 8/9/2020 8:24:57 AM EDT
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I’ve been looking into this also, and I’m pretty curious as to how much to eat.
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Posted: 8/9/2020 8:28:14 AM EDT
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I did it for 4 months, solid results, no bad side effects at all.
I stopped simply because I wanted to eat an apple or something once in awhile. |
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Posted: 8/9/2020 8:29:37 AM EDT
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Check out the Wooded Beardsman on YT. He does a series called wilderness living challenge. Weighs himself, goes into the woods for a week or so, and needs to weigh the same or heavier when he comes out. It's way better than the channels where people go in and basically just starve until they get out. He does an episode with Fowler where its bear meat cooked in bear fat, fish, beaver, every day. He talks about how the body reacts to what he eats.
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Posted: 8/9/2020 8:35:41 AM EDT
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Posted: 8/9/2020 8:48:22 AM EDT
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Not me, but I knew a family from a club that did the Cave man diet as they called it, only meat
They were all slim and fit looking, and bat shit crazy. All of them Probably nothing to do with the diet....but |
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Posted: 8/9/2020 8:51:02 AM EDT
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I’m carnivore. I do drink milk and have some cheese. I eat tons of bacon and eggs as well. It’s a very hard transition physically that makes the “keto flu” seem like nothing in comparison.
Google Dr Shawn Baker |
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Posted: 8/9/2020 8:57:44 AM EDT
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We had a lot of men in our church do it a few years back. Most lost some, but now are fatter than ever.
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Posted: 8/9/2020 9:11:17 AM EDT
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I predominately eat meat. I'd say it's 80/20 with rice (and some specific veggies here and there).
Works very well for me as the bulk of veggies I try to eat cause my guts to get angry. So I stick with what I know Fwiw, I'm also celiac. eta: I should also add that I have been the same lean weight of 168 for years now. Very consistent as long as I moderate the beer ;) |
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Posted: 8/9/2020 9:16:32 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: We had a lot of men in our church do it a few years back. Most lost some, but now are fatter than ever. Well, it is Georgia 
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Posted: 8/9/2020 4:29:03 PM EDT
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Checking her out; interesting about the carnivore flu, I figured since I usually am in ketosis when I check in the morning I wouldn't miss the few carbs I get through a normal keto day, but. . .
 Carnivore Diet: What I Eat, A Month of Meals Part 2 |
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Posted: 8/9/2020 4:29:59 PM EDT
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It’s some dumb neckbeard shit to sound cool.
Don’t do it. Humans are meant to eat both meat and vegetables. |
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Posted: 8/9/2020 4:34:45 PM EDT
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I don't see any harm in it, though I couldn't do it indefinitely. I like vegetables.
A day without onion is like a day without sunshine. |
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Posted: 8/9/2020 4:34:46 PM EDT
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Please read the carb night soloution
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Posted: 8/9/2020 4:39:15 PM EDT
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I've been researching it, and am actually starting it tomorrow. So this thread is of interest to me to hear from any that have done it.
Planning to run with it for a month. I bought a side of beef a few weeks ago, have elk and bison for a flavor change. Then also have a shit load of chicken, tuna steaks and eggs ready to roll. |
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Posted: 8/9/2020 4:47:12 PM EDT
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My wife and I are probably 95% carnivore.
I added a small bowl of oatmeal in the morning to help my digestion and also eat nuts for a snack in the afternoon. I usually do burger for breakfast, chicken for lunch, steak or burgers for dinner. Ive lost 35+ pounds and its done a lot of good for both of us.  eta: @compass |
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Posted: 8/9/2020 4:51:20 PM EDT
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Zeroing in on Health, a Facebook group of folks that follow this diet. They're currently at 31.5 thousand members. There is a lot of great info.
Kelly Hogan is my hero. My Zero Carb Life: Kelly's journey. ETA: I've lost about 20-25lbs. Not really sure since I didn't weigh myself. I'm experiencing an incredibly slow weight loss. My body has a lot of healing to do hormonally. I'm not doing it for weight loss. I'm trying to cure being sick. It's the total elimination diet. And it works. Eat meat. Drink water. |
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Posted: 8/9/2020 5:00:03 PM EDT
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I lost my first 30 or so pounds on it. Its very effective.
90 days: Breakfast: 6 eggs, 3 strips of bacon Lunch: 2 eggs, 2 cheese sticks Dinner: 1 pound ribeye or 1 pound hamburger patty fried in bacon grease Drink only flavored water or black coffee. This combined with both cardio and weights work great. The carb withdrawals at this level are a bitch. Your digestive system will not be happy with you at first. I transitioned into a lower carb diet as I feel like its more sustainable long term but occasionally go back to short rounds of carnivore when my weight starts creeping up. |
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Posted: 8/9/2020 5:02:33 PM EDT
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I'm far from a doctor, but my understanding is that you need glycogen to burn fat. A few carbs can help get you lean.
I think when the diet pendulum swings too far to one side, we get lesser results. If I go too extreme in calorie cutting, my workout suffers. I don't build muscle and my energy levels are way off. If I ingest too many carbs, I get bloated and my energy level is off. So I reduce carb intake, eat high protein fish (salmon, tuna, and Asian carp) and chicken, combined with high fiber veggies. It seems to work well and I can sneak a whole wheat bread turkey sandwich from time to time. |
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Posted: 8/9/2020 5:07:04 PM EDT
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A friend of mine did it for a few months and said he felt great and had loads of energy.
Then he started drinking again and fucked it all up. |
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Posted: 8/9/2020 5:08:36 PM EDT
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Plants don't run so they produce toxins. That is some essential oils bullshit level stuff right there.
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Posted: 8/9/2020 5:12:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm far from a doctor, but my understanding is that you need glycogen to burn fat. A few carbs can help get you lean. I think when the diet pendulum swings too far to one side, we get lesser results. If I go too extreme in calorie cutting, my workout suffers. I don't build muscle and my energy levels are way off. If I ingest too many carbs, I get bloated and my energy level is off. So I reduce carb intake, eat high protein fish (salmon, tuna, and Asian carp) and chicken, combined with high fiber veggies. It seems to work well and I can sneak a whole wheat bread turkey sandwich from time to time. Do you really want to maximize your weight sessions and feel great Carb back load |
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Posted: 8/9/2020 5:28:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I did it for 4 months, solid results, no bad side effects at all. I stopped simply because I wanted to eat an apple or something once in awhile. I did it for two months and then beer flu hit. Then the meat shortage hit. Then beef skyrocketing to 11lb financially made me stop. Best I have felt in a very very long time. |
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Posted: 8/9/2020 5:35:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Plants don't run so they produce toxins. That is some essential oils bullshit level stuff right there. Quote HistoryQuoted: Plants don't run so they produce toxins. That is some essential oils bullshit level stuff right there. Many plants have an inbuilt defence system that, when activated, releases hydrogen cyanide to ward off insects and fungi. https://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2013/10/01/228221063/when-edible-plants-turn-their-defenses-on-us Plant defenses include: Mechanical protection on the surface of the plant; complex polymers that reduce plant digestibility to animals; and toxins that kill or repel herbivores. sciencedaily.com/terms/plant_defense_against_herbivory.htm Scientists have characterized multiple functions of benzoxazinoids in wheat: The toxic form of the substances makes the plant directly resistant to lepidopteran larvae, whereas a less toxic form regulates indirect defense mechanisms against aphids. The researchers identified the 'switch' between these different functions as a methyltransferase enzyme, which is activated by caterpillar feeding. This switch enables wheat plants to adapt their defense response to different herbivores. All life is in a constant state of competition. |
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Posted: 8/9/2020 5:43:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: https://sciencenordic.com/denmark-food-and-nutrition-videnskabdk/how-plants-use-chemical-weapons-to-protect-themselves/1439939 https://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2013/10/01/228221063/when-edible-plants-turn-their-defenses-on-us sciencedaily.com/terms/plant_defense_against_herbivory.htm https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/12/181205142716.htm All life is in a constant state of competition. Some plants do rely on herbivores eating them for propagation and dispersal. |
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Posted: 8/9/2020 5:50:58 PM EDT
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I only eat meat, eggs, and butter. When I first transitioned to keto, I ate nuts, cheese, and veggies. Eventually, I found I felt better eliminating the non-animal products. I stopped eating cheese simply because it's WAY too easy for me to overeat it.
Keto to carnivore is a normal progression path, and many eventually find some middle ground. You need to find what works for you and go with it. |
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Posted: 8/10/2020 8:23:07 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Do you really want to maximize your weight sessions and feel great Carb back load Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I'm far from a doctor, but my understanding is that you need glycogen to burn fat. A few carbs can help get you lean. I think when the diet pendulum swings too far to one side, we get lesser results. If I go too extreme in calorie cutting, my workout suffers. I don't build muscle and my energy levels are way off. If I ingest too many carbs, I get bloated and my energy level is off. So I reduce carb intake, eat high protein fish (salmon, tuna, and Asian carp) and chicken, combined with high fiber veggies. It seems to work well and I can sneak a whole wheat bread turkey sandwich from time to time. Do you really want to maximize your weight sessions and feel great Carb back load Hadn't heard of that. I work out in the mornings. Usually 5 to 6. It would seem that I'd need to eat my carbs in the morning? This goes slightly contrary to the idea that the carbs would help burn fat while I sleep. Any ideas? |
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Posted: 8/10/2020 8:30:06 AM EDT
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My experience is was extreme gastrointestinal distress. Bad pain, difficultiy taking a shit, not fun. The farts were legendary though.
Eta: I should add i tried it for a week or so. |
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Posted: 8/10/2020 8:30:48 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Hadn't heard of that. I work out in the mornings. Usually 5 to 6. It would seem that I'd need to eat my carbs in the morning? This goes slightly contrary to the idea that the carbs would help burn fat while I sleep. Any ideas? Carbs don’t help burn fat, if anything it’s the opposite, the body has to prioritize carbs to get your blood sugar down. |
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Posted: 8/10/2020 8:38:02 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: My experience is was extreme gastrointestinal distress. Bad pain, difficultiy taking a shit, not fun. The farts were legendary though. Eta: I should add i tried it for a week or so. |
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Posted: 8/10/2020 8:41:01 AM EDT
[#32]
Unless you like pooping your pants it's a good idea to ease into it - a day or two the first week and add from there.
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Posted: 8/10/2020 10:48:41 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: My experience is was extreme gastrointestinal distress. Bad pain, difficultiy taking a shit, not fun. The farts were legendary though. Eta: I should add i tried it for a week or so. Depending on your body, it can take a while for your body to adjust to such a change. It takes me about a week for my body to adjust whereas it takes kalanikid about two weeks. Everyone is different and I can guarantee you that you didn't give it enough time. |
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Posted: 8/10/2020 11:40:03 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Hadn't heard of that. I work out in the mornings. Usually 5 to 6. It would seem that I'd need to eat my carbs in the morning? This goes slightly contrary to the idea that the carbs would help burn fat while I sleep. Any ideas? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I'm far from a doctor, but my understanding is that you need glycogen to burn fat. A few carbs can help get you lean. I think when the diet pendulum swings too far to one side, we get lesser results. If I go too extreme in calorie cutting, my workout suffers. I don't build muscle and my energy levels are way off. If I ingest too many carbs, I get bloated and my energy level is off. So I reduce carb intake, eat high protein fish (salmon, tuna, and Asian carp) and chicken, combined with high fiber veggies. It seems to work well and I can sneak a whole wheat bread turkey sandwich from time to time. Do you really want to maximize your weight sessions and feel great Carb back load Hadn't heard of that. I work out in the mornings. Usually 5 to 6. It would seem that I'd need to eat my carbs in the morning? This goes slightly contrary to the idea that the carbs would help burn fat while I sleep. Any ideas? Carbs don’t help burn fat. But it’s really about when you eat your carbs I haven’t really looked into how to do it when you work out in the AM |
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Posted: 8/10/2020 11:40:53 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Depending on your body, it can take a while for your body to adjust to such a change. It takes me about a week for my body to adjust whereas it takes kalanikid about two weeks. Everyone is different and I can guarantee you that you didn't give it enough time. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: My experience is was extreme gastrointestinal distress. Bad pain, difficultiy taking a shit, not fun. The farts were legendary though. Eta: I should add i tried it for a week or so. Depending on your body, it can take a while for your body to adjust to such a change. It takes me about a week for my body to adjust whereas it takes kalanikid about two weeks. Everyone is different and I can guarantee you that you didn't give it enough time. Absolutely My pelican shits stop in 2 days |
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Posted: 8/10/2020 11:46:52 AM EDT
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I did it for a while. Ate a few pounds of beef per day. A lot of bacon as well.
Unfortunately I didn’t stick to it long enough but immediate results were there for certain things. I felt like fucking Superman in the gym. Energy was unreal, strength gains quicker than anytime in my life. Slept much better as well. I didn’t really drop weight unfortunately, but I think I was eating too fatty of meats for where my BMI is. It got to the point where I’d barely finish a meal and I’d be running to the shitter because my body couldn’t handle that much fat. Carnivore is no joke, though and in my opinion it is proper human nutrition/diet. |
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Posted: 8/10/2020 2:06:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Hadn't heard of that. I work out in the mornings. Usually 5 to 6. It would seem that I'd need to eat my carbs in the morning? This goes slightly contrary to the idea that the carbs would help burn fat while I sleep. Any ideas? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I'm far from a doctor, but my understanding is that you need glycogen to burn fat. A few carbs can help get you lean. I think when the diet pendulum swings too far to one side, we get lesser results. If I go too extreme in calorie cutting, my workout suffers. I don't build muscle and my energy levels are way off. If I ingest too many carbs, I get bloated and my energy level is off. So I reduce carb intake, eat high protein fish (salmon, tuna, and Asian carp) and chicken, combined with high fiber veggies. It seems to work well and I can sneak a whole wheat bread turkey sandwich from time to time. Do you really want to maximize your weight sessions and feel great Carb back load Hadn't heard of that. I work out in the mornings. Usually 5 to 6. It would seem that I'd need to eat my carbs in the morning? This goes slightly contrary to the idea that the carbs would help burn fat while I sleep. Any ideas? I tend to gravitate towards that type of eating anyway. If I go carb heavy in the middle of the day it makes me feel heavy and tired most of the time, so try to minimize them until the afternoon, and at supper I'll load up on them. |
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Posted: 8/10/2020 2:23:41 PM EDT
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I never went carnivore, but I did go raw meat for a while.
I ate my beef, chicken breast and eggs raw. Beef and chicken are extremely delicious raw. There is a delicate sweetness to both that gets lost when cooked, raw chicken especially. Eggs are kind of gross raw, but it's quick and convenient. Havn't tried many other meats raw, but I've heard of people eating all sorts of raw meats. Not only that, I feel that eating meat raw conveys plenty of health benefits. For one, you don't need to buy uber fatty cuts of beef for tenderness because you're not cooking it. Cooking beef tends to dry it out, so having that extra marbling keeps it full of juice and flavor. When you eat it raw, you can get leaner cuts and have a succulent and tasty meal. Another benefit is that cooking meat tends to add bad stuff to it, afaik. I'm not an expert so take this with a grain of salt, but from what I've heard is that cooking steak adds carcinogens that are obviously avoided when eating raw. Last benefit is prep time. Far easier to prepare when you're not cooking it. I might just add some salt and pepper, and eat! I can't recommend raw meats enough. If you do it, make sure you get your meats are a reputable butcher shop, and let them know what you're planning to do. If you are nervous, freezing meats at or below 32 degrees for 14 days will kill everything. I never did that, so I can't comment on the resulting flavor, but something to think about. |
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Posted: 8/10/2020 2:23:51 PM EDT
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My ex GF would do the meat diet from time to time. It worked, she lost lots of weight. It's not healthy, you need to take vitamins.
She used to joke that she wasn't sure if it was the "diet" that caused her to lose weight or that you get sick of eating meat all the time... 
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Posted: 8/10/2020 2:50:35 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It's not healthy, you need to take vitamins. |
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Posted: 8/10/2020 2:54:03 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Plants don't run so they produce toxins. That is some essential oils bullshit level stuff right there. Yeah my first thought too. And “inflammation” |
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Posted: 8/10/2020 2:54:33 PM EDT
[#42]
Life without peppers, onions, and garlic? Nah.
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Posted: 8/10/2020 3:09:00 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: We had a lot of men in our church do it a few years back. Most lost some, but now are fatter than ever. Meat is really tasty, but there's lots of other non-meat stuff that's really tasty too. Nah. Diets that are highly restrictive tend to have results like this. |
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Posted: 8/10/2020 3:11:34 PM EDT
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There was a guy on here I think it was last year that ate nothing but bacon for 30 days and would post his numbers every time he would get checked out and from what he posted it looked pretty good. He lost a bunch of weight and his blood pressure dropped I believe
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Posted: 8/10/2020 3:13:26 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Carbs don’t help burn fat. But it’s really about when you eat your carbs I haven’t really looked into how to do it when you work out in the AM Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I'm far from a doctor, but my understanding is that you need glycogen to burn fat. A few carbs can help get you lean. I think when the diet pendulum swings too far to one side, we get lesser results. If I go too extreme in calorie cutting, my workout suffers. I don't build muscle and my energy levels are way off. If I ingest too many carbs, I get bloated and my energy level is off. So I reduce carb intake, eat high protein fish (salmon, tuna, and Asian carp) and chicken, combined with high fiber veggies. It seems to work well and I can sneak a whole wheat bread turkey sandwich from time to time. Do you really want to maximize your weight sessions and feel great Carb back load Hadn't heard of that. I work out in the mornings. Usually 5 to 6. It would seem that I'd need to eat my carbs in the morning? This goes slightly contrary to the idea that the carbs would help burn fat while I sleep. Any ideas? Carbs don’t help burn fat. But it’s really about when you eat your carbs I haven’t really looked into how to do it when you work out in the AM When I was trying it I would wake up around 430, chug a bottle of sugar-free Powerade with some unflavored creatine in it, go to the gym, then as soon as I got back eat some overnight oats I prepared with almond milk and chocolate protein powder. |
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Posted: 8/10/2020 3:18:28 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm far from a doctor, but my understanding is that you need glycogen to burn fat. A few carbs can help get you lean. I think when the diet pendulum swings too far to one side, we get lesser results. If I go too extreme in calorie cutting, my workout suffers. I don't build muscle and my energy levels are way off. If I ingest too many carbs, I get bloated and my energy level is off. So I reduce carb intake, eat high protein fish (salmon, tuna, and Asian carp) and chicken, combined with high fiber veggies. It seems to work well and I can sneak a whole wheat bread turkey sandwich from time to time. I think we all have varying tolerances for different kinds of food and if you listen to your body you can figure out what makes you feel best and perform the best that you can. Pick a method, stick with it long enough to get results and then start modifying as necessary. The most important thing is to be as healthy and strong as you can be with whatever works for your body. Feeling tired, bloated and sick all the time sucks. And for all of the under 40 crowd, do the work now, it gets harder the older you get.
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Posted: 8/10/2020 3:26:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Plants don't run so they produce toxins. That is some essential oils bullshit level stuff right there. Look up Oxalates and what they can do to the human body if you are sensitive to them. Level 2-3 Carnivore is not for everyone, YMMV. It has been shown to help people with autoimmune issues and can kick start weight loss if you stall while being Keto. You have to know your body and keep track of your macros to make it work. Check out “The Carnivore Cookbook” by Maria and Craig Emmerich, it explains the diet. While I do not agree with everything in the book, it has some very valuable knowledge in it. There is no one solution, BTW. |
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Posted: 8/10/2020 4:56:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
I think that this is a perfect example of the old saw that "we are an experiment of one". I think that you have to find what works for you. I have done keto and carnivore in varying amount for the last few years with a few breaks in there due to indulgence or laziness and I have maintained my initial 30 lb loss consistently. What I haven't done is go any lower weight wise (which is frustrating), but I have had a some bigger body changes with no change in the scale. Around 3" inches on the waist reduction with zero weight change and I have maintained muscle mass. This was important to me as I age. I think we all have varying tolerances for different kinds of food and if you listen to your body you can figure out what makes you feel best and perform the best that you can. Pick a method, stick with it long enough to get results and then start modifying as necessary. The most important thing is to be as healthy and strong as you can be with whatever works for your body. Feeling tired, bloated and sick all the time sucks. And for all of the under 40 crowd, do the work now, it gets harder the older you get. I've tried eliminating carbs and just didn't like the way I felt and my workouts suffered. I like fruit and vegetables and I'll keep eating them. I agree with you 100%, we're all a little different. From mid-November to late April I lost ~55lbs of water and fat. Cut about 6" off my waist (42 to 36). I've increased my weight, but my waist is down to 35". I'm adding muscle mass, but trying not to bulk up. I'm just looking for more definition, but have no desire to be a muscle-head. I'm 42. It sucks trying to do this now. That said, I'm in the midst of a divorce and I can say unequivocally that high-intensity cardio and weight training have helped me keep my sanity. In a world where you don't have total control over many things, you can control how you look and feel. Just takes perseverance and dedication. |
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Posted: 8/10/2020 5:57:12 PM EDT
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Wife’s friend has been mostly carnivore for 4-5 years. Zero carbs at least. It’s kept her alive from cancer. She was very lean with an athletic build but around year four added on a few pounds of fat. She is still slender but perceives herself heavy. Whatever, The point I’m trying to make is that her body changed to compensate and apparently your metabolism can slow down enough or compensate even on carnivore to gain a bit of weight.
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Posted: 8/10/2020 6:02:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Plants don't run so they produce toxins. That is some essential oils bullshit level stuff right there.  CarnivoryCon 2019: George M. Diggs, PhD — “Plant Defense Chemicals: The Dark Side of Food Plants“ |
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