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Posted: 3/10/2022 8:07:23 PM EST
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Posted: 3/10/2022 8:12:31 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/224415/B6FE6D25-1C44-4849-AD33-A94B30EA946C_jpe-2308966.JPGOh for fucks sake. There is only one true Lightning. Yes. 
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Posted: 3/10/2022 8:13:49 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: My 2021 f150 lariat had to have its computer reprogrammed right after delivery because most of the functions weren’t turned on from the factory Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I don't trust Ford and electronics. Always seems to be the first thing to start glitching in them. My 2021 f150 lariat had to have its computer reprogrammed right after delivery because most of the functions weren’t turned on from the factory Almost sounds like the dealer didn't take it out of transport mode during PDI. |
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Posted: 3/10/2022 10:06:39 PM EST
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It will be $40K like the Bronco was supposed to be $32K
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Posted: 3/10/2022 10:15:07 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Won't be $40K. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I just now started reading about this. Looks to be a hit so far. Ford's ramping up their production and are completely sold out on 200,000 preorders. 230mi on a charge for standard range battery isn't bad. Its still not near the flexability of gas for long trips, but for around town and local commute? Sounds good to me. Best thing I think is the price. Basic full sized truck is $40k! Tesla had the market cornered with upper-middle to upperclass incomes but I think Ford will make EV more affordable and available. Won't be $40K. |
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Posted: 3/10/2022 10:17:15 PM EST
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Quoted: I just now started reading about this. Looks to be a hit so far. Ford's ramping up their production and are completely sold out on 200,000 preorders. 230mi on a charge for standard range battery isn't bad. Its still not near the flexability of gas for long trips, but for around town and local commute? Sounds good to me. Best thing I think is the price. Basic full sized truck is $40k! Tesla had the market cornered with upper-middle to upperclass incomes but I think Ford will make EV more affordable and available. Just like those $30k full size broncos |
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Posted: 3/10/2022 10:19:35 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/224415/B6FE6D25-1C44-4849-AD33-A94B30EA946C_jpe-2308966.JPGOh for fucks sake. There is only one true Lightning. Had one just like it except slightly modded. For 19 years. Best vehicle I ever owned. |
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Posted: 3/10/2022 10:22:58 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I talked with the dealer I bought my 2019 XLT from and the same truck in the lightning is almost 65k. My XLT has all the bells and whistles you can get on an XLT level truck. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I just now started reading about this. Looks to be a hit so far. Ford's ramping up their production and are completely sold out on 200,000 preorders. 230mi on a charge for standard range battery isn't bad. Its still not near the flexability of gas for long trips, but for around town and local commute? Sounds good to me. Best thing I think is the price. Basic full sized truck is $40k! Tesla had the market cornered with upper-middle to upperclass incomes but I think Ford will make EV more affordable and available. Won't be $40K. I talked with the dealer I bought my 2019 XLT from and the same truck in the lightning is almost 65k. My XLT has all the bells and whistles you can get on an XLT level truck. An XLT can be over 60k. |
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Posted: 3/10/2022 10:39:42 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What prevents electric car makers from installing something that uses the vehicle to charge itself, like an alternator in a gas powered vehicle? Mount a few wind generators to re-harness & recharge the battery on the road!  BIGGER_HAMMER 
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Posted: 3/10/2022 10:41:21 PM EST
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given how well the ford mustang mach e battery is showing in the cold weather, those trucks won't have the range to go anywhere doing truck things. Given how poorly the rivian truck performed towing on the TFL channel, it's a hard pass.
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Posted: 3/10/2022 10:44:04 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/224415/B6FE6D25-1C44-4849-AD33-A94B30EA946C_jpe-2308966.JPGOh for fucks sake. There is only one true Lightning. Yes. https://i.imgur.com/23Df1lO.jpg I didn't care for the rounded features of that generation back then. If only I knew what was coming  
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Posted: 3/10/2022 11:06:07 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Trucks are used to tow and haul. What the range while towing a 6,000 lb trailer? Every thread, this fucking guy. Not the same guy, but always this fucking guy. A TINY percentage of people use trucks like that. If you are (really, not in your ego fantasies) one of those people, buy something else. Done. But you knew that, right? |
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Posted: 3/10/2022 11:06:39 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I have no clue how batteries work so if my question is absurd, please accept my apologies. Would it be possibly to recover the discharged liquid electrolyte solution in a liquid cell battery then replenish it with charged electrolyte solution? A reclamation and refill method in one swoop? I'm gonna guess, you're an engineer? Odd, odd people. |
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Posted: 3/10/2022 11:53:00 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Nobody lining up for the EV Hummer? seems way too expensive for me and I need a truck bed |
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Posted: 3/10/2022 11:55:58 PM EST
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6,171lb curb weight
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Posted: 3/10/2022 11:58:30 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What prevents electric car makers from installing something that uses the vehicle to charge itself, like an alternator in a gas powered vehicle?  Attached FileDamn. Beat like a trigger happy mule  Looked at the bottom of p1 like that’s my post but that’s not my post
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Posted: 3/11/2022 12:55:02 AM EST
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Should be a decent truck. With gas prices closer to most of the rest of the "Western world" you'll see a lot more of these types of vehicles. Energy density and charging sucks for poor aero towing, but they're otherwise pretty neat. I'm in no hurry to buy one, but I'm glad they're making them and will continue to make them better before China eats our lunch making them for pennies on the dollar.
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Posted: 3/11/2022 5:31:11 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 6,171lb curb weight Hummer EV weighs 9,046lbs.
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Posted: 3/11/2022 5:37:06 AM EST
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Quoted: I just now started reading about this. Looks to be a hit so far. Ford's ramping up their production and are completely sold out on 200,000 preorders. 230mi on a charge for standard range battery isn't bad. Its still not near the flexability of gas for long trips, but for around town and local commute? Sounds good to me. Best thing I think is the price. Basic full sized truck is $40k! Tesla had the market cornered with upper-middle to upperclass incomes but I think Ford will make EV more affordable and available. The problem is Ford limited the number of trucks that could be ordered in the 40k work truck spec. Most everyone who wanted that spec couldn’t get it. |
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Posted: 3/11/2022 5:42:15 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What prevents electric car makers from installing something that uses the vehicle to charge itself, like an alternator in a gas powered vehicle? Don't even need that. Moving parts are inefficient power wise. All they need to do is add another plug and run a cable from it to the charging port and let the vehicle's battery charge itself. You would never need to recharge the battery. |
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Posted: 3/11/2022 5:44:39 AM EST
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Posted: 3/11/2022 7:33:23 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If they want to push EV, they need to do more Hybrid types We just got a VIA VTrux for the Dealership and it is the perfect Hybrid. VIA converted Silverado W/T to Hybrids. Basically, the 4.3L v6 is just a generator and charges the batteries when need be and the electric motor drives the truck. Can get get about 80 miles just on the batteries or if the gas engine is charging the batteries as your driving it is 100 miles per gallon. The truck can be charged like a ev if you want, or the best part, the truck had a panel with electric hookups and can be used as one huge generator for power, welders, whatever equipment you need running off the batteries and gas engine. That is useful and makes sense. I suspect that if they were commonplace they would see a great deal of commercial usage. Two issues I see: 1) a lot of the profit in the truck industry is not commercial but people who have trucks but don't need them; these are the same people who want this year's newest top of the line king raptor power country wagon. 2) it still uses gasoline. It's smart but it doesn't fit America's desires and it certainly doesn't fit the desires of the |
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Posted: 3/11/2022 7:51:28 AM EST
[#23]
FUCK ev's
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Posted: 3/11/2022 7:52:39 AM EST
[#24]
I am but they're sold with a mark up or have a huge waitlist.
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Posted: 3/11/2022 8:13:40 AM EST
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I was a fairly early reservation - and to get the mandatory (to me) big battery pack - it turned out to be ~$72,500. So I was already on the fence, and then I sat for 6 months waiting to possibly order (typical repeat of the Bronco and Mustang E fiasco). I cancelled my reservation.
If you try to buy one now - it's going to be 2025 and you'll end up with a reduced content truck with a tiny battery at the same price. |
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Posted: 3/11/2022 9:43:27 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: BURN THE WITCH Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: 88 mile round trip to work. Gonna need more miles than that. Maybe I can put a 6500 watt generator in the box and charge whenever I want to. Wouldn't you still have 142 miles left per day? BURN THE WITCH 
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Posted: 3/11/2022 9:50:52 AM EST
[#27]
Truck will be more than 40k. Prob buy a new raptor for what it will cost.
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Posted: 3/11/2022 9:54:59 AM EST
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted:  and what does it cost you to go that 700 miles? I would guess 150.00? 200.00? Depending on fuel prices. I charge my Tesla mostly at home and can drive about 6,000 miles for the same money. You don't need a "fancy" charging station. Just an outlet. I installed a 14-50 240v outlet for about 150.00 bucks.Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: My current F150 gets about 700 miles on a tank (36 gallon). And I don't need no fancy-pants charging station at home. and what does it cost you to go that 700 miles? I would guess 150.00? 200.00? Depending on fuel prices. I charge my Tesla mostly at home and can drive about 6,000 miles for the same money. You don't need a "fancy" charging station. Just an outlet. I installed a 14-50 240v outlet for about 150.00 bucks.I paid $11,000 for my used f150. I haul stuff constantly. I can’t afford / justify a new gas truck, much less a electric truck. Want a electric car ? Fine, buy one if you can afford it, just don’t increase fuel prices and fuck everyone over while trying to force them into buying one. |
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Posted: 3/11/2022 9:56:07 AM EST
[#29]
It could be pedal powered by the driver / passengers.
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Posted: 3/11/2022 9:57:46 AM EST
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It will be $40K like the Bronco was supposed to be $32K The base Bronco is $30,800...... |
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Posted: 3/11/2022 10:02:09 AM EST
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: FUCK ev's Yup. Want one, buy one, but don’t try to fuck gas prices and force everyone else to buy one. #1. They are not ready for practical sales / use for much of the country, battery tech no where near ready, Get the price reasonable, and offer standardized quick swap battery packs a gas station can swap in 5 minutes like a dewalt power tool, swap and continue traveling and your getting there. 2. I can’t afford / justify a new gas truck, paid $11k for my f150 and use it daily for hauling. A payment on a $50k new vehicle or replacing a $6000 battery in a cheap used electric vehicle that’s 10 years old would bankrupt many people. I do think they have their place, and will probably EVENTUALLY replace liquid fuel vehicles… charged via nuke plants, but not until the battery tech advances a lot more. Minimum your going to need easy swap battery packs, which would also fix expensive battery replacement problems for older electric vehicles. |
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Posted: 3/11/2022 10:11:15 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's "DC Fast Charging" info you are looking for. Maybe they haven't posted it but the Lightning can be charged via DC Fast Charging the same as Tesla, just not at Tesla stations (so far). There are lots of non-Tesla DC Fast Charging stations out there but I don't think it's quite as developed as the Tesla charging network. |
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Posted: 3/11/2022 10:13:53 AM EST
[#33]
It's cool that it's coming but yeah not me for me yet, might be interested in a decent SUV ev or a good phev truck .
Now the free energy conversation is gold
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Posted: 3/11/2022 10:14:38 AM EST
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: What prevents electric car makers from installing something that uses the vehicle to charge itself, like an alternator in a gas powered vehicle? Look at regenerative braking. |
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Posted: 3/11/2022 10:17:58 AM EST
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I'm definitely getting an EV for running around town and quick trips. I have a F350 for towing which I'm keeping. I had a chevy volt 10 years ago and in summer I could commute to work and back. I would drive 35 mile to work. Plug in and drive 35 miles back. Went 4 months without filling up. Added about $30 a month to my electric bill. The torque when on battery was awesome. EVs have a place but liberals try to make them a panacea for all things travel.
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Posted: 3/11/2022 10:29:11 AM EST
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Quoted: That is useful and makes sense. I suspect that if they were commonplace they would see a great deal of commercial usage. Two issues I see: 1) a lot of the profit in the truck industry is not commercial but people who have trucks but don't need them; these are the same people who want this year's newest top of the line king raptor power country wagon. 2) it still uses gasoline. It's smart but it doesn't fit America's desires and it certainly doesn't fit the desires of the The aftermarket hybrids are a horrible solution. A facory hybrid is much better. This is why Ford is selling a bunch of them. I get that a lot of people are pissy about the "heritage" of the Lightning, but frankly the OG Lightning was slow as fuck and the performance was dog shit, even compared to some vehicles of the time (think Syclone). The added bonus was the horrific quality of OBS Fords. Nowadays, virtually any well specced half ton beats one in every way. |
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Posted: 3/11/2022 10:44:29 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No. I'm jazzed and put down $100 reservation for the new Chevy Avalanche. Starts at $30k. Is it based on a midsize truck? That sounds perfect for my wife. I paid 40k for my old 2004 I used to have when it was new. |
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Posted: 3/11/2022 11:34:58 AM EST
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: What prevents electric car makers from installing something that uses the vehicle to charge itself, like an alternator in a gas powered vehicle?  |
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Posted: 3/11/2022 11:53:42 AM EST
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Got excited thinking they were bringing back a supercharged v8 f150 single cab  This. It’s as blasphemous as using the Mustang name on the 4 door electric thing |
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Posted: 3/11/2022 11:55:17 AM EST
[#40]
I've got one pre-ordered but not in production yet. First wave of orders at least.
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Posted: 3/11/2022 11:57:36 AM EST
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Won’t be 230mi range either. Unless maybe if you drive around at 32 mph. The 230/300 is with 1k in the bed. Several youtubers got 450-470 miles range for the extended range version with it unloaded. I haven't seen the regular range but estimated 280 or so. |
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Posted: 3/11/2022 12:03:13 PM EST
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: 88 mile round trip to work. Gonna need more miles than that. Maybe I can put a 6500 watt generator in the box and charge whenever I want to. 230 mile range - 88 round trip = it will work for the task. |
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Posted: 3/11/2022 12:03:58 PM EST
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You aren’t touching one for $40,000. VERY true. |
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Posted: 3/11/2022 12:06:17 PM EST
[#44]
No fucking thank you
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Posted: 3/11/2022 12:15:26 PM EST
[#45]
The $40,000 one has vinyl seats.
Any upgrade from vinyl seats costs you an extra 10 grand. The vinyl seat version would actually meet my needs quite well. At current market rates I’d be able to trade in my 21 stx for more than I paid. Then add in the bull shit uaw only tax discounts I’d be ahead by thousands. Last year I drove 4800 miles. Averaged 17.5mpg (2.7, 4 door, 4wd), and had about 2/5 of all engine on time be idle time At 4 bucks a gallon It would cost me 1100 a year in gas. Not a huge deal. Maintenance reductions would be nice. It would take a long time for electric to make monetary sense for me. Imo the most appealing aspect of an electric truck would be the ability to be more independent of supply issues. I can’t make gasoline but I can acquire solar panels and lithium iron phosphate batteries. For ten grand one can be energy independent. That’s the true green revolution. |
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Posted: 3/11/2022 12:17:10 PM EST
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It will be $40K like the Bronco was supposed to be $32K I've seen plenty of people order stock Broncos and get the for that price. My dealer took orders at $1k below invoice. My $57k Badlands will be $52k. |
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Posted: 3/11/2022 12:23:12 PM EST
[#47]
I put in a reservation for one in November. From the production schedule, I probably won't see one until 2023 or even 2024.
I think the Silverado EV looks better, but it is not currently eligible for the $7500 tax credit. |
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Posted: 3/11/2022 12:26:30 PM EST
[#48]
There is something goofy going on with the F150 lightning underside. All of the pictures they have show a bunch of blocky blacked out shapes on the underside.
It is either extremely poor photoshop skills or the truck has total shit ground clearance. |
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Posted: 3/11/2022 5:07:30 PM EST
[#49]
I'd take a steam engined pickup over an electric any day.
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Posted: 3/11/2022 5:14:48 PM EST
[#50]
So it’s a truck that does less truck stuff than a raptor, and it has the range of the biggest gas guzzler (with the smallest gas tank), but long EV charge times?
Pass. |
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