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Lol. At first I wondered if you even read what I wrote. Now I wonder if you read what you write. So...Persian resources were given to Sparta & "just helped secure Ionia" you say? Yeah, no kidding. The Pelonnesian war was a sesaw war until Persian resources gave Sparta the upper hand. One generation after the peak of their strength the Spartans were getting their crap pushed in by a smaller Theban army while the Spartan relief army tucked tail and ran for their lives. You want to know what changed in that one generation? The B squad lost their support. View Quote If you had a fucking clue about the Peloponnesian War (at least get that name right if you want to appear as knowledgeable) you'd know your hyperbolic bullshit is completely wrong. Persia influenced the war, they did not win it, the Spartans did. While at one moment you're criticizing the Spartans from having allies, you're completely ignoring that the Delian League was MASSIVELY larger than the Peloponnesian league, that Athens, because of its maritime arm, was hugely richer than Sparta, who did not even have real currency. And a shitload happened in that generation after the Peloponnesian War. Many of the allies of the Spartans turned on them; not surprising since the war itself was not a war between Sparta and Athens, but between massive leagues of city states that were allied together but essentially under the control of those two super powers. Athens fucking lost the war. Ie., if your dumb shit B Squad crap made any sense in the world, it would be Athens, not Sparta, the winner. Even severely weakened after a generation long war with the Delian League Sparta still flounced the Corinthinian League numerous times before finally losing at Leuctra. And as I've mentioned in other threads, a primary reason for Sparta's decline had nothing at all to do with battle or the bullshit your read on cracked.com, but of birth rates and population and other social problems. The Spartiate population, through attrition in warfare, natural disasters, disease, long campaigns away from home (nobody is knocking boots when Spartan troops spend years away campaigning on the other side of Greece), and land ownership/mortgage issues back home, which caused a MASSIVE undermining of Spartan land and naval power. It simply could no longer feed the level of quality troops into battle in the same manner as it had done before, while at the same time dealing with enterprising new commanders like Pelopidas and Epaminondas. So when they started losing battles and most of the troops in them, they could not replace them. For fear of uprisings back in Sparta, they could not simply reinforce failure the same way the Corithinians could, who had been less affected by the Peloponnesian War. The Spartans overextended and paid for it. |
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Jesus christ, you're like a broken record of shitty internet history who reads an article from Cracked.com and thinks you know it all. If you had a fucking clue about the Peloponnesian War (at least get that name right if you want to appear as knowledgeable) you'd know your hyperbolic bullshit is completely wrong. Persia influenced the war, they did not win it, the Spartans did. While at one moment you're criticizing the Spartans from having allies, you're completely ignoring that the Delian League was MASSIVELY larger than the Peloponnesian league, that Athens, because of its maritime arm, was hugely richer than Sparta, who did not even have real currency. And a shitload happened in that generation after the Peloponnesian War. Many of the allies of the Spartans turned on them; not surprising since the war itself was not a war between Sparta and Athens, but between massive leagues of city states that were allied together but essentially under the control of those two super powers. Athens fucking lost the war. Ie., if your dumb shit B Squad crap made any sense in the world, it would be Athens, not Sparta, the winner. Even severely weakened after a generation long war with the Delian League Sparta still flounced the Corinthinian League numerous times before finally losing at Leuctra. And as I've mentioned in other threads, a primary reason for Sparta's decline had nothing at all to do with battle or the bullshit your read on cracked.com, but of birth rates and population and other social problems. The Spartiate population, through attrition in warfare, natural disasters, disease, long campaigns away from home (nobody is knocking boots when Spartan troops spend years away campaigning on the other side of Greece), and land ownership/mortgage issues back home, which caused a MASSIVE undermining of Spartan land and naval power. It simply could no longer feed the level of quality troops into battle in the same manner as it had done before, while at the same time dealing with enterprising new commanders like Pelopidas and Epaminondas. So when they started losing battles and most of the troops in them, they could not replace them. For fear of uprisings back in Sparta, they could not simply reinforce failure the same way the Corithinians could, who had been less affected by the Peloponnesian War. The Spartans overextended and paid for it. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Lol. At first I wondered if you even read what I wrote. Now I wonder if you read what you write. So...Persian resources were given to Sparta & "just helped secure Ionia" you say? Yeah, no kidding. The Pelonnesian war was a sesaw war until Persian resources gave Sparta the upper hand. One generation after the peak of their strength the Spartans were getting their crap pushed in by a smaller Theban army while the Spartan relief army tucked tail and ran for their lives. You want to know what changed in that one generation? The B squad lost their support. If you had a fucking clue about the Peloponnesian War (at least get that name right if you want to appear as knowledgeable) you'd know your hyperbolic bullshit is completely wrong. Persia influenced the war, they did not win it, the Spartans did. While at one moment you're criticizing the Spartans from having allies, you're completely ignoring that the Delian League was MASSIVELY larger than the Peloponnesian league, that Athens, because of its maritime arm, was hugely richer than Sparta, who did not even have real currency. And a shitload happened in that generation after the Peloponnesian War. Many of the allies of the Spartans turned on them; not surprising since the war itself was not a war between Sparta and Athens, but between massive leagues of city states that were allied together but essentially under the control of those two super powers. Athens fucking lost the war. Ie., if your dumb shit B Squad crap made any sense in the world, it would be Athens, not Sparta, the winner. Even severely weakened after a generation long war with the Delian League Sparta still flounced the Corinthinian League numerous times before finally losing at Leuctra. And as I've mentioned in other threads, a primary reason for Sparta's decline had nothing at all to do with battle or the bullshit your read on cracked.com, but of birth rates and population and other social problems. The Spartiate population, through attrition in warfare, natural disasters, disease, long campaigns away from home (nobody is knocking boots when Spartan troops spend years away campaigning on the other side of Greece), and land ownership/mortgage issues back home, which caused a MASSIVE undermining of Spartan land and naval power. It simply could no longer feed the level of quality troops into battle in the same manner as it had done before, while at the same time dealing with enterprising new commanders like Pelopidas and Epaminondas. So when they started losing battles and most of the troops in them, they could not replace them. For fear of uprisings back in Sparta, they could not simply reinforce failure the same way the Corithinians could, who had been less affected by the Peloponnesian War. The Spartans overextended and paid for it. Granted I was more laconic though. |
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Well my opinion on the matter is it always boils down to training and actual experience will determine how well a unit will perform when it really "counts".
I vote for the USS Yorktown CV-5. Damaged badly at Coral Sea, good damage control saved her, got her back to Pearl, 2 days of repairs (including a dry docking) it time to sortie for Midway. Hit again by 3 bombs at Midway, Damage control and Engineering had her back underway and launching planes in 2 hours before she was hit again but this time mortally. From wiki: " While the ship recovered from the damage inflicted by the dive-bombing attack, her speed dropped to 6 knots (7 mph; 11 km/h); and then at 14:40, about 20 minutes after the bomb hit that had shut down most of the boilers, Yorktown slowed to a stop, dead in the water. At about 15:40, Yorktown prepared to get underway; and, at 15:50, thanks to the black gang in No. 1 Fireroom having kept the auxiliaries operating to clear the stack gas from the other firerooms and bleeding steam from No. 1 to the other boilers to jump-start them, Chief Engineer Delaney reported to Captain Buckmaster that the ship's engineers were ready to make 20 knots (23 mph; 37 km/h) or better. It was a remarkable feat of damage control, one seldom equalled in the entire war." On a personal badass level? My vote is for Lieutenant-Colonel John Malcolm Thorpe Fleming Churchill (Mad Jack), DSO & Bar, MC & Bar (16 September 1906 – 8 March 1996), was a British Army officer who fought throughout the Second World War armed with a longbow, bagpipes, and a basket-hilted Scottish broadsword. Accomplishments and badassery are to much to list, read more at wiki: Crazy Badass |
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Quoted: Jesus christ, you're like a broken record of shitty internet history who reads an article from Cracked.com and thinks you know it all. If you had a fucking clue about the Peloponnesian War (at least get that name right if you want to appear as knowledgeable) you'd know your hyperbolic bullshit is completely wrong. Persia influenced the war, they did not win it, the Spartans did. While at one moment you're criticizing the Spartans from having allies, you're completely ignoring that the Delian League was MASSIVELY larger than the Peloponnesian league, that Athens, because of its maritime arm, was hugely richer than Sparta, who did not even have real currency. And a shitload happened in that generation after the Peloponnesian War. Many of the allies of the Spartans turned on them; not surprising since the war itself was not a war between Sparta and Athens, but between massive leagues of city states that were allied together but essentially under the control of those two super powers. Athens fucking lost the war. Ie., if your dumb shit B Squad crap made any sense in the world, it would be Athens, not Sparta, the winner. Even severely weakened after a generation long war with the Delian League Sparta still flounced the Corinthinian League numerous times before finally losing at Leuctra. And as I've mentioned in other threads, a primary reason for Sparta's decline had nothing at all to do with battle or the bullshit your read on cracked.com, but of birth rates and population and other social problems. The Spartiate population, through attrition in warfare, natural disasters, disease, long campaigns away from home (nobody is knocking boots when Spartan troops spend years away campaigning on the other side of Greece), and land ownership/mortgage issues back home, which caused a MASSIVE undermining of Spartan land and naval power. It simply could no longer feed the level of quality troops into battle in the same manner as it had done before, while at the same time dealing with enterprising new commanders like Pelopidas and Epaminondas. So when they started losing battles and most of the troops in them, they could not replace them. For fear of uprisings back in Sparta, they could not simply reinforce failure the same way the Corithinians could, who had been less affected by the Peloponnesian War. The Spartans overextended and paid for it. View Quote |
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Numbers wise. They planted more of their enemies. If they had been equally numbered and equipped, they could have been to Maine before 1862. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes |
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Operational: Mongols, easy answer.
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come on now...we're still arguing about whether or not the spartans were the great ancestors of bob ross....let's not bring the war of northern aggression into it just yet... View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Confederate soldier too bad they weren't better bad ass warriors, they could have won. Anytime I see these words, I immediately know that there is absolutely no saving you from your brainwashed revisionist history based on the Myth of the Lost Cause. At least make an attempt to recognize real facts about the American Civil War - not re-written sugar-coated history by a bitter, defeated people with a lost identity... Christ... |
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With a sword or spear and shield, only, David's mighty men, hands down
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"The War of Northern Aggression" Anytime I see these words, I immediately know that there is absolutely no saving you from your brainwashed revisionist history based on the Myth of the Lost Cause. At least make an attempt to recognize real facts about the American Civil War - not re-written sugar-coated history by a bitter, defeated people with a lost identity... Christ... View Quote |
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Elijah
Incinerating 100+ people sent to arrest him (that was one cripsy "Thin Baal Line") Killing 400+ false prophets with hands / handheld weapons Hiking for 40+ days into the wilderness, as a picture of Jesus's 40 day fast |
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Elijah Incinerating 100+ people sent to arrest him (that was one cripsy "Thin Baal Line") Killing 400+ false prophets with hands / handheld weapons Hiking for 40+ days into the wilderness, as a picture of Jesus's 40 day fast View Quote |
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The bombardiers of the Enola Gay and Bockscar.
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Spartans given that it was part of their social construction. Competition literally started from the moment you were born. Formation and toughness from a very early age. View Quote |
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This guy was pretty ruthless https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/61ZXey03FwL._SX327_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg View Quote |
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How about one of his descendants... Sir Christopher Lee. http://i.pinimg.com/736x/bd/31/22/bd3122521c8e9c3c2f833d8b0927ccf7--christopher-lee-military-uniforms.jpg View Quote Attached File Attached File Attached File Attached File |
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Quoted: Jesus christ, you're like a broken record of shitty internet history who reads an article from Cracked.com and thinks you know it all. If you had a fucking clue about the Peloponnesian War (at least get that name right if you want to appear as knowledgeable) you'd know your hyperbolic bullshit is completely wrong. Persia influenced the war, they did not win it, the Spartans did. While at one moment you're criticizing the Spartans from having allies, you're completely ignoring that the Delian League was MASSIVELY larger than the Peloponnesian league, that Athens, because of its maritime arm, was hugely richer than Sparta, who did not even have real currency. And a shitload happened in that generation after the Peloponnesian War. Many of the allies of the Spartans turned on them; not surprising since the war itself was not a war between Sparta and Athens, but between massive leagues of city states that were allied together but essentially under the control of those two super powers. Athens fucking lost the war. Ie., if your dumb shit B Squad crap made any sense in the world, it would be Athens, not Sparta, the winner. Even severely weakened after a generation long war with the Delian League Sparta still flounced the Corinthinian League numerous times before finally losing at Leuctra. And as I've mentioned in other threads, a primary reason for Sparta's decline had nothing at all to do with battle or the bullshit your read on cracked.com, but of birth rates and population and other social problems. The Spartiate population, through attrition in warfare, natural disasters, disease, long campaigns away from home (nobody is knocking boots when Spartan troops spend years away campaigning on the other side of Greece), and land ownership/mortgage issues back home, which caused a MASSIVE undermining of Spartan land and naval power. It simply could no longer feed the level of quality troops into battle in the same manner as it had done before, while at the same time dealing with enterprising new commanders like Pelopidas and Epaminondas. So when they started losing battles and most of the troops in them, they could not replace them. For fear of uprisings back in Sparta, they could not simply reinforce failure the same way the Corithinians could, who had been less affected by the Peloponnesian War. The Spartans overextended and paid for it. View Quote |
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That's almost as compelling as Gandalf defeating the Balrog. It was quite a battle but in the end Gandalf prevailed. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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No Roman Centurion?
OP would need to break it down by time periods, comparing a Greek Hoplite to a German SS soldier is a poor comparison. Different times,different weapons,tactics etc. Poll fail |
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Quoted: Took 3 pages you guys are slipping You can't kill this mother fucker. He just wouldn't die. Or quit. https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/262787/C9432738-2EA0-4498-A4E2-411059FFCE85-429310.JPG View Quote @cavgunner |
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The term "badass" is very, very general.
Some of the ones cited here, like the Mongols and Romans, were highly effective because they had superior numbers, superior tactics, superior training, fought as organized units and sometimes had superior weapons such as the composite bow of the Mongols. That doesn't necessarily mean the individual fighter was a true badass. When I think of a true badass warrior it has to be from the ages where face to face fighting with edged weapons was the norm, especially those in smaller group actions where the individual warrior could make a big difference. Among those who fit in that group would be the various Viking tribes, the Germanic tribes (Furor Teutonicus) going against each other and the Romans in Europe and the Celts (Gauls in what is modern day France) of Europe. These were truly fierce individual warriors. There are many others who fit this type description as well. In the age of firearms there also many of worthy note, including: The Confederate Soldier: Although my family fought on the other side, the Confederate soldier was always outnumbered, had fewer cannons, fewer ships, fewer railroads, fewer arms producers, poorly supplied and equipped and fewer factories to manufacturer basic supplies and equipment. At the beginning of the war, it is likely any trained military person who looked at overall capability of both sides would have predicted a quick victory for the Union. Yet the courage and tenacity of the individual Confederate soldier, along with mostly excellent Confederate leadership, fought for four years against always bad odds and at times overwhelming odds. The German Soldier in World War 2: Especially after the beginning of the Eastern Front and the Normandy invasion the German soldier was fighting a losing war, but fought with great courage and skill. Their cities and factories were bombed to rubble. The civilian population was slaughtered by the thousands with relentless Allied high explosive and fire bombing. They often did not even know if their families were alive or dead. Yet they fought hard right into the center of Berlin against the vast Soviet army. And unlike the Confederacy, the German soldier was continuously undermined by the stupidity of the Little Corporal Hitler, who made bad mistake after bad mistake in spite of good advice from the German General Staff. American Fighting Man regardless of the war: From the Revolutionary War to our current involvement in the Mid-East, the individual American military man has always come through with distinction regardless of the odds. Leadership has been up and down at times, especially the civilian leadership (here's looking at you George Bush and Obama) but the individual Marine, Soldier and Navy fighting man has always delivered. And in Vietnam, which was my own war, they had to do it in spite of a lying and hostile American media. There are many tribes, peoples, nations and individual military units throughout the word which have produced excellent fighting forces or fierce and skilled individual warriors. Humans have always been good a killing each other. For various reasons, some societies have been more successful at war and for certain times in history but, none could claim that they produced the "Most Badass" warriors in history. That would be just a myth. Bottom line is that there is no such thing as "Most Badass" warrior and anyone who thinks so is simply wrong. My opinion. |
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"The War of Northern Aggression" Anytime I see these words, I immediately know that there is absolutely no saving you from your brainwashed revisionist history based on the Myth of the Lost Cause. At least make an attempt to recognize real facts about the American Civil War - not re-written sugar-coated history by a bitter, defeated people with a lost identity... Christ... View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Confederate soldier too bad they weren't better bad ass warriors, they could have won. Anytime I see these words, I immediately know that there is absolutely no saving you from your brainwashed revisionist history based on the Myth of the Lost Cause. At least make an attempt to recognize real facts about the American Civil War - not re-written sugar-coated history by a bitter, defeated people with a lost identity... Christ... |
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Modern special forces are probably the most formidable warriors the planet has seen. well nourished, trained and supplemented and armed to the teeth View Quote Not only are they bigger, stronger, better trained and more well armed than their historical counterparts but they can also call in air strikes and artillery. |
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You left out the Roman legionaries. Easily one of the top most professional, accomplished and badass militaries the world has ever seen. View Quote |
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The toothless,henna bearded pederasts of Afghanistan. The Spartans,Mongols,Confederates,Normans, Landsknechts and Landsers all quit,these bastards will still be resisting getting dragged into the 12th century 200 years from now. They are the cockroaches of warfare.
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No Roman Centurion? OP would need to break it down by time periods, comparing a Greek Hoplite to a German SS soldier is a poor comparison. Different times,different weapons,tactics etc. Poll fail View Quote Romans were nothing like the bureaucratic US military today with its ridiculously fucked up award system. The Roman senior officers, tribunes, praefects, legates, imperator, did not sit idly on their horses lounging from the far rear of the battlefield like HBO's Rome shows, nothing at all like Napoleon commanding massive armies fighting independent actions over a large battlefield across the entirety of a day. A Roman battle typically lasted about 45 minutes in length, start to finish. The officers would call the men to arms in camp with trumpets, march them out of the camp and into battle lines, give them speeches, decide on battle, march them forward against the enemy. Once the clash begun, the officer's leadership job of the grander scheme ended, they could only control then what was right in front of them. As such they would commonly ride directly behind the front line (Romans typically deployed in multiple battle lines of infantry). Often these leaders fought on foot with the troops, or fought with the cavalry on horseback, but in the leading ranks. Partly because they too required recognition for zealous bravery for advancement politically, but also because a large part of their job was to lead from the front, by example. More so a common chief description of the senior leader's job in combat wasn't actually leadership, it was to spot courage (to later reward it) and to spot cowardice (to later punish it). What this left is a system where personal bravery even at the lower ranks was very much more recognized than it is in any modern times, with senior officers who would actually see it, whose job was to recognize it with awards handed out immediately after the close of the battle. The Romans FIRMLY understood the carrot and the stick, they knew what ticked in the heart of a true warrior, and everlasting glory is one of them, and awards play a large part in motivating men to fight harder and with more risk to themselves. As Napoleon said "A soldier will fight long and hard for a bit of colored ribbon" it was equally true with the Romans, especially its centurions, who would risk all to impress a general to gain bracelets, torques, ornamental disks, crowns, etc. |
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In all seriousness, one guy particularly came to mind: http://www.wnd.com/files/2015/03/Ripley-Goggin.jpg http://www.tfp.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/ripley2.jpg http://veterantributes.org/Photos/JohnWRipley.jpg Colonel John Ripley, USMC- read his story if you want to see someone that embodies badass. Navy Cross recipient Force Recon officer who is the only guy to graduate BUD/S, the Army's Vietnam era SOF pipeline, the British Royal Marines course, and the Marine Corps Amphibious Reconnaissance Course. And just a generally standup guy. View Quote |
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