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Posted: 3/12/2017 11:39:49 PM EDT
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The Tomcat is a big sexy beast.
The F35 is a double bagger. |
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Posted: 3/12/2017 11:40:58 PM EDT
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I've never understood why the F-14 got so much attention when the F-15 did far more damage to the enemy. I suppose if Top Gun had been an Air Force movie things might be different
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Posted: 3/12/2017 11:41:07 PM EDT
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The Tomcat is a big sexy beast. The F35 is a double bagger. It is a fugly bird. |
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Posted: 3/12/2017 11:42:58 PM EDT
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I've never understood why the F-14 got so much attention when the F-15 did far more damage to the enemy. I suppose if Top Gun had been an Air Force movie things might be different All of the fight sequences would have taken place on a golf course. |
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Posted: 3/12/2017 11:44:58 PM EDT
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I've never understood why the F-14 got so much attention when the F-15 did far more damage to the enemy. I suppose if Top Gun had been an Air Force movie things might be different |
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Posted: 3/12/2017 11:45:00 PM EDT
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What is the deal with all these national interest dot org articles being posted here lately?
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Posted: 3/12/2017 11:46:34 PM EDT
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I fucking love the F14.
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Posted: 3/12/2017 11:55:29 PM EDT
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Navy>Air Force. That, but I enjoyed violating AF girls more than most sailor girls. AF had prettier women on average. 
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Posted: 3/13/2017 12:02:42 AM EDT
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The F15 had the Iron Eagle movies good movies just not top gun quality
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Posted: 3/13/2017 12:03:42 AM EDT
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This is probably a dumb question but why don't they create another rendition of the F-14, like F-14E, but with newer engines and electronics? There would be way less R&D to create it from start to finish. Or is that like putting a brand-new Ferrari engine in a Dodge Caravan mini-van from the 80s.
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Posted: 3/13/2017 12:04:28 AM EDT
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The F15 had the Iron Eagle movies good movies just not top gun quality Iron eagle was F-16 |
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Posted: 3/13/2017 12:15:42 AM EDT
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This is probably a dumb question but why don't they create another rendition of the F-14, like F-14E, but with newer engines and electronics? There would be way less R&D to create it from start to finish. Or is that like putting a brand-new Ferrari engine in a Dodge Caravan mini-van from the 80s. As much as I love the F14 and consider it the most beautiful plane ever built, it was a pig for maintenance, was not really a dog fighter, and in its age offered less and less to make it valuable to keep around. Cost to keep it in the air was getting too high. Perhaps KA3B will be along to slap me around for being wrong on some points.
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Posted: 3/13/2017 12:28:15 AM EDT
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This is probably a dumb question but why don't they create another rendition of the F-14, like F-14E, but with newer engines and electronics? There would be way less R&D to create it from start to finish. Or is that like putting a brand-new Ferrari engine in a Dodge Caravan mini-van from the 80s. They did eventually give it F110 engines to replace the TF30s. The F-14D had some upgrades to the radar but I don't know how extensive they were. |
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Posted: 3/13/2017 12:36:59 AM EDT
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Having to pull the AWG9 radar transmitter in and out of that bitch was NOT fun.
~185 pounds and the size of a medium suitcase positioned about 7 feet up, and it was always two of us scrawny fucks trying to lift one overhead and into the bay. Not much weight for two people if you think about it, but for a teenager that didn't know how to use leverage or lifting techniques, it was a bitch and not a fond memory. |
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Posted: 3/13/2017 12:50:46 AM EDT
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The entire Air Wing composition needs to be rethought.
The Cold War era air wings had excellent versatility. I imagine with tech being what it is today that an Air Wing could specialize once again but with half the variety of air frames. (Three different airframes can do the job of yesteryear's six airframes sort of thing) |
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Posted: 3/13/2017 12:58:06 AM EDT
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Iron eagle was F-16 damn what movie am i thinking of then with the F15 |
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Posted: 3/13/2017 1:03:17 AM EDT
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F18's and F35's are not good replacements for an air superiority fighter or an all weather attack plane (A6 intruder)
If it ever comes to war in the South China Sea, we will be hamstrung |
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Posted: 3/13/2017 1:06:51 AM EDT
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All of the fight sequences would have taken place on a golf course. No, they would have replaced the oiled up shirtless "tough guys" with fat females and obama voters in polo shirts. |
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Posted: 3/13/2017 1:14:06 AM EDT
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As much as I love the F14 and consider it the most beautiful plane ever built, it was a pig for maintenance, was not really a dog fighter, and in its age offered less and less to make it valuable to keep around. Cost to keep it in the air was getting too high. Perhaps KA3B will be along to slap me around for being wrong on some points. Plus I think they've already crunched most of them. I'd like to think they've at least stripped them of any serviceable parts, like LANTIRN pods, engines, etc. But it's the gov't, so they probably just chopped it up and tossed it in a dumpster. |
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Posted: 3/13/2017 1:16:53 AM EDT
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IIRC, the F-14 was decommissioned because the airframes essential wingbox that facilitates swing wing had expired in flight lifetime. It's a very complex system to maintain the wings.
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Posted: 3/13/2017 1:18:05 AM EDT
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F18's and F35's are not good replacements for an air superiority fighter or an all weather attack plane (A6 intruder) If it ever comes to war in the South China Sea, we will be hamstrung If we go to war with China, their aircraft are the least of our problems. Even if you believe the zipper suits, that Chinese shit planes are scary, we spent $62 Billion on the F22 for air superiority, and are about to spend a bunch more to update it already. Then we spent a trillion dollars on the F35 as a stealth strike aircraft. This was all done mostly in the name of China. If that money doesn't buy you the capability to defeat China...There's no amount of money or additional systems that our corrupt procurement could produce that will. China spends about $150 Billion a year on defense in total. We spent about 7 years of their entire defense budget on two stealth planes. |
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Posted: 3/13/2017 1:28:44 AM EDT
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Lots of maintainers would disagree. Cost per flight hour on the Tomcat became too much. Antiquated cockpit and flight controls....dead meat in today's environment.
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Posted: 3/13/2017 1:34:09 AM EDT
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Anyone who thinks the F-14 should've stuck around any longer should see what maintenance on those things had become. They needed to go unless someone was going to buy new ones.
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Posted: 3/13/2017 1:50:55 AM EDT
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Posted: 3/13/2017 1:59:08 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryI thought this was all fake... The F14 was great in its day, but, it was never meant to go head-to-head against the newer class of Russian and Chinese fighters. They all came out with more advanced models as well. This is as close to the F24 tomcat that you are going to see near the water. F24 Tomcat Boat |
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Posted: 3/13/2017 2:08:20 AM EDT
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300NM CAP stations, that's why.
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Posted: 3/13/2017 2:13:10 AM EDT
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If we go to war with China, their aircraft are the least of our problems. Even if you believe the zipper suits, that Chinese shit planes are scary, we spent $62 Billion on the F22 for air superiority, and are about to spend a bunch more to update it already. Then we spent a trillion dollars on the F35 as a stealth strike aircraft. This was all done mostly in the name of China. If that money doesn't buy you the capability to defeat China...There's no amount of money or additional systems that our corrupt procurement could produce that will. China spends about $150 Billion a year on defense in total. We spent about 7 years of their entire defense budget on two stealth planes. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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F18's and F35's are not good replacements for an air superiority fighter or an all weather attack plane (A6 intruder) If it ever comes to war in the South China Sea, we will be hamstrung If we go to war with China, their aircraft are the least of our problems. Even if you believe the zipper suits, that Chinese shit planes are scary, we spent $62 Billion on the F22 for air superiority, and are about to spend a bunch more to update it already. Then we spent a trillion dollars on the F35 as a stealth strike aircraft. This was all done mostly in the name of China. If that money doesn't buy you the capability to defeat China...There's no amount of money or additional systems that our corrupt procurement could produce that will. China spends about $150 Billion a year on defense in total. We spent about 7 years of their entire defense budget on two stealth planes. The F-35 A B and C are three different planes with some parts commonalities. |
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Posted: 3/13/2017 2:15:34 AM EDT
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4 planes. The F-35 A B and C are three different planes with some parts commonalities. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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F18's and F35's are not good replacements for an air superiority fighter or an all weather attack plane (A6 intruder) If it ever comes to war in the South China Sea, we will be hamstrung If we go to war with China, their aircraft are the least of our problems. Even if you believe the zipper suits, that Chinese shit planes are scary, we spent $62 Billion on the F22 for air superiority, and are about to spend a bunch more to update it already. Then we spent a trillion dollars on the F35 as a stealth strike aircraft. This was all done mostly in the name of China. If that money doesn't buy you the capability to defeat China...There's no amount of money or additional systems that our corrupt procurement could produce that will. China spends about $150 Billion a year on defense in total. We spent about 7 years of their entire defense budget on two stealth planes. The F-35 A B and C are three different planes with some parts commonalities. What a bargain, three for a trillion! |
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Posted: 3/13/2017 2:17:12 AM EDT
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Lots of maintainers would disagree. Cost per flight hour on the Tomcat became too much. Antiquated cockpit and flight controls....dead meat in today's environment. |
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Posted: 3/13/2017 2:21:35 AM EDT
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All but 5 or 6 Tomcats have been chopped up and scrapped, and those were just saved to go on sticks.
Was working in the Boneyard last year and got to see them, sad sight to see for this ex-squid. |
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Posted: 3/13/2017 2:30:43 AM EDT
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As a guy that worked on 'em, they sucked. They were a maintenance nightmare. Give me the hated Hornets any day of the week.
"Top Gun" movie fanbois miss them. Guys that worked on 'em don't. |
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Posted: 3/13/2017 2:31:52 AM EDT
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Tag for later to read, but the Tomcat was by far the worst of the teen series as an actual combat aircraft.
It is best thought of as the last interceptor. In an age when the Carrier has only 4 squadrons... it's more trouble than it's worth. Put an attack squadron back on a carrier... a VS squad... and a tanker detachment... and I'll rethink my position. |
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Posted: 3/13/2017 2:39:34 AM EDT
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The F15 had the Iron Eagle movies good movies just not top gun quality F-16s, Not F-15s |
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Posted: 3/13/2017 3:03:33 AM EDT
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Try return to base or black eagle. It's a ROK movie but pretty damn entertaining.
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Posted: 3/13/2017 3:34:09 AM EDT
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Iron eagle was F-16 I guess "Iron Falcon" sounded too lame. Almost like an 80's hair metal fag band. |
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Posted: 3/13/2017 4:59:06 AM EDT
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This is probably a dumb question but why don't they create another rendition of the F-14, like F-14E, but with newer engines and electronics? There would be way less R&D to create it from start to finish. Or is that like putting a brand-new Ferrari engine in a Dodge Caravan mini-van from the 80s. Because the F14 airframe was a maintenance nightmare. It's avionics were phenomenal (for it's generation), and it had new engines. |
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Posted: 3/13/2017 5:27:00 AM EDT
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damn what movie am i thinking of then with the F15 Huh. Are there any movies that feature F15s? Only one that immedlately comes to mind is Air Force One. |
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Posted: 3/13/2017 6:04:25 AM EDT
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Huh. Are there any movies that feature F15s? Only one that immedlately comes to mind is Air Force One. One gets shot down in red Dawn.
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Posted: 3/13/2017 6:15:16 AM EDT
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Iron eagle was F-16 and not quality |
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Posted: 3/13/2017 6:18:43 AM EDT
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The entire Air Wing composition needs to be rethought. The Cold War era air wings had excellent versatility. I imagine with tech being what it is today that an Air Wing could specialize once again but with half the variety of air frames. (Three different airframes can do the job of yesteryear's six airframes sort of thing) YOu are behind the times. The USAF tried the Composite Wing Idea. Not so good. It is a logistics nightmare dealing with various parts and fixing a F15 is not the same as fixing a F16 and both are different from the F22. We don't mix blocks of aircraft at a base if we can help it. |
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Posted: 3/13/2017 6:29:35 AM EDT
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I've never understood why the F-14 got so much attention when the F-15 did far more damage to the enemy. I suppose if Top Gun had been an Air Force movie things might be different 
Almost.... 
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Posted: 3/13/2017 6:51:08 AM EDT
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Airforce one featured F15s
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Posted: 3/13/2017 7:02:44 AM EDT
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I've never understood why the F-14 got so much attention when the F-15 did far more damage to the enemy. I suppose if Top Gun had been an Air Force movie things might be different The F-15 wasn't made to be at sea, and launch off of aircraft carriers. |
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Posted: 3/13/2017 7:12:29 AM EDT
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I guess "Iron Falcon" sounded too lame. Almost like an 80's hair metal fag band. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Iron eagle was F-16 I guess "Iron Falcon" sounded too lame. Almost like an 80's hair metal fag band. In those films the F16s were referred to as Vipers. |
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Posted: 3/13/2017 7:30:28 AM EDT
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Tag for later to read, but the Tomcat was by far the worst of the teen series as an actual combat aircraft. It is best thought of as the last interceptor. In an age when the Carrier has only 4 squadrons... it's more trouble than it's worth. Put an attack squadron back on a carrier... a VS squad... and a tanker detachment... and I'll rethink my position. Yep. We never replaced the long range attack of the A-6 Intruders and the tanking the KA-6Ds provided. Never replaced the S-3 Vikings capabilities. We have less planes on deck now total |
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Posted: 3/13/2017 7:38:12 AM EDT
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let's buy some of these
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Posted: 3/13/2017 7:40:37 AM EDT
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You can't have a F-14 thread without some Final Countdown!
 F-14 Tomcat Scenes from "The Final Countdown" HD Part3  Tomcat vs Zero And viewed with theme music!  The Final Countdown 1980 theme John Scott Other than Top Gun I bet The Final Countdown was the first time the general public ever got a good look at the F-14.....I was impressed.....Sexy Beast. |
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Posted: 3/13/2017 7:50:08 AM EDT
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I've never understood why the F-14 got so much attention when the F-15 did far more damage to the enemy. I suppose if Top Gun had been an Air Force movie things might be different Pffft, 5'ers with 300 posts.... 
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Posted: 3/13/2017 7:50:55 AM EDT
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In those films the F16s were referred to as Vipers. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Iron eagle was F-16 I guess "Iron Falcon" sounded too lame. Almost like an 80's hair metal fag band. In those films the F16s were referred to as Vipers. The F-16's official name is "Fighting Falcon", but "Viper" was commonly used by its pilots and crews back in the 80s, due to a perceived resemblance to a viper snake as well as the Battlestar Galactica Colonial Viper starfighter. |
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Posted: 3/13/2017 7:56:25 AM EDT
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I've never understood why the F-14 got so much attention when the F-15 did far more damage to the enemy. I suppose if Top Gun had been an Air Force movie things might be different |
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