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Posted: 1/20/2022 3:57:53 AM EDT
[#1]
Dead men tell no tales.
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Posted: 1/20/2022 3:59:16 AM EDT
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Posted: 1/20/2022 4:01:39 AM EDT
[#3]
Nothing will happen.
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Posted: 1/20/2022 4:04:06 AM EDT
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Or they really wanted the headline "SWAT Team Storms Building; Hostages Freed" despite the fact that the two things aren't directly related.
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Posted: 1/20/2022 4:08:59 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Dead men tell no tales. Dead men who were previously handled by the FBI tell no tales of how they were manipulated by the fbi |
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Posted: 1/20/2022 4:12:21 AM EDT
[#6]
lol
Some dude that worked at State. Right. You spend a lot of time reviewing HRT's SOPs while you were there? |
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Posted: 1/20/2022 4:15:13 AM EDT
[#7]
Nice copy and paste.
 HRT are assaulters by trade. Those guys don’t do barricades. They had several hours to draw up an assualt plan. Yeah they could have sat back and gassed the shit out of the building treating it like a barricade and he might have come out, or they use speed surprise and violence to control the outcome and dominate the structure. From a technical aspect at the level HRT operates at, there is probably less variables for them to execute a planned assualt vs turning it into a barricade and leaving the decision making in the hands of the suspect. But this is GD so logic isn’t as fun. 
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Posted: 1/20/2022 4:15:28 AM EDT
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Probably made entry to ensure there wasn’t an accomplice or explosives, secure the scene, and make sure no injured hostages were left behind.
That they had to take out the hostage taker was just the most efficient way to do it. |
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Posted: 1/20/2022 4:17:23 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: lol Some dude that worked at State. Right. You spend a lot of time reviewing HRT's SOPs while you were there? Quote HistoryQuoted: lol Some dude that worked at State. Right. You spend a lot of time reviewing HRT's SOPs while you were there? I belive his post is a quote from the linked article, not the OP's actual verbiage. OP, it's best to use the quote function when quoting from an article Something like this as it allows the reader to understand that you're quoting an article. |
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Posted: 1/20/2022 4:24:36 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: lol Some dude that worked at State. Right. You spend a lot of time reviewing HRT's SOPs while you were there? "Deputy Director of the Anti-Terrorism Assistance Training Program" Maybe? |
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Posted: 1/20/2022 4:27:51 AM EDT
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No defender of the feds here, but what would they have gained by staging this particular event? If it was meant to push gun control, it would have involved a legally-purchased AR, and dead victims. This particular time, they just made asses of themselves saying initially that it wasn't targeting the Jewish community.
I haven't followed all the details, but maybe they went in to arrest the guy after the hostages were freed, he raised a gun and got shot. |
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Posted: 1/20/2022 4:40:49 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No defender of the feds here, but what would they have gained by staging this particular event? If it was meant to push gun control, it would have involved a legally-purchased AR, and dead victims. This particular time, they just made asses of themselves saying initially that it wasn't targeting the Jewish community. I haven't followed all the details, but maybe they went in to arrest the guy after the hostages were freed, he raised a gun and got shot. |
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Posted: 1/20/2022 4:42:14 AM EDT
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I’m buying more stock in Alcoa.
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Posted: 1/20/2022 5:00:25 AM EDT
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If "Staged", They Lacked the important Feature of "White Supremacism" Perp with "Huge Social Media History against Democrats & People of Colors & Jews" - a key component to keep it boosted in the Media.
Crazy Islamic Radicals stories tends to be quickly swept under the rug by media as "Not Helpful for the 'Narrative' " . BIGGER_HAMMER 
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Posted: 1/20/2022 5:00:58 AM EDT
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Because the HRT is the best and highest trained professional SWAT outfit in the nation, or so I was told. They had a duty of care to keep him from killing himself so they killed him to keep him from killing himself.
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Posted: 1/20/2022 5:08:49 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Nice copy and paste. HRT are assaulters by trade. Those guys don’t do barricades. They had several hours to draw up an assualt plan. Yeah they could have sat back and gassed the shit out of the building treating it like a barricade and he might have come out, or they use speed surprise and violence to control the outcome and dominate the structure. From a technical aspect at the level HRT operates at, there is probably less variables for them to execute a planned assualt vs turning it into a barricade and leaving the decision making in the hands of the suspect. But this is GD so logic isn’t as fun. Here's the author's email. Contact him and ask him the questions. https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/author/larryj/ |
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Posted: 1/20/2022 5:13:54 AM EDT
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Remember when Dallas SWAT drove a robot strapped with C4 to murder a suspect?
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Posted: 1/20/2022 5:19:57 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Nice copy and paste. HRT are assaulters by trade. Those guys don’t do barricades. They had several hours to draw up an assualt plan. Yeah they could have sat back and gassed the shit out of the building treating it like a barricade and he might have come out, or they use speed surprise and violence to control the outcome and dominate the structure. From a technical aspect at the level HRT operates at, there is probably less variables for them to execute a planned assualt vs turning it into a barricade and leaving the decision making in the hands of the suspect. But this is GD so logic isn’t as fun. They are HRT in name only. Ultimately, they care more about taking out "bad guys" than saving "innocents". Can we just start calling them ALMOST DELTA? |
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Posted: 1/20/2022 5:23:12 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Remember when Dallas SWAT drove a robot strapped with C4 to murder a suspect? Well, this guy had actually ambushed & killed police so he was fair game in their eyes. This was a first and I hope this doesn't become SOP. |
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Posted: 1/20/2022 7:12:57 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Remember when Dallas SWAT drove a robot strapped with C4 to murder a suspect? Very heroic. Much sheepdog. They're not military you know. Civilians like you and I. |
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Posted: 1/20/2022 7:20:39 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Very heroic. Much sheepdog. They're not military you know. Civilians like you and I. I recall the discussion here at the time had some posters upset because the murderous son of a bitch didn't have a fighting chance against the bomb bot. |
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Posted: 1/20/2022 7:37:21 AM EDT
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Hut, hut, hut, hut, hut, hut, hut, hut....
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Posted: 1/20/2022 7:41:43 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Dead men tell no tales. |
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Posted: 1/20/2022 7:59:46 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Or they really wanted the headline "SWAT Team Storms Building; Hostages Freed" despite the fact that the two things aren't directly related. Showtime! |
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Posted: 1/20/2022 8:02:26 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Remember when Dallas SWAT drove a robot strapped with C4 to murder a suspect? The Gold star award goes the Philly cops when they assaulted the MOVE "compound".  Attached FileWe said move, motherfuckers!! |
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Posted: 1/20/2022 8:04:49 AM EDT
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If this thread were a woman the response would be "never stick it in crazy".
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Posted: 1/20/2022 8:05:33 AM EDT
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Quoted: Because they had to take out their operative before he spoke to the media or public. Let me make it clear up front that I have no problem with killing a terrorist. But the death of Malik Akram, who had been holding four hostages at a synagogue north of Dallas, does not make sense. The FBI Hostage Rescue Team did not follow the standard operating procedure for conducting an assault. I have more than 35 years experience with counter-terrorism and police training. I was the Deputy Director of the Anti-Terrorism Assistance Training Program when I was at the Department of State. There is a checklist that SWAT teams follow in evaluating a threat and deciding on a course of action. When you have a hostage incident the prime objective is to end the situation peacefully with no harm to the hostages. If the hostage taker escalates the threat to the hostages or begins to physically harm them, that should trigger an assault. But if the hostages escape and are no longer in jeopardy and there are no other civilians at risk, there is no need to put the lives of SWAT officers in danger by conducting an armed assault. Anytime you are firing automatic weapons and using flash bang grenades in a confined space, the good guys can be wounded or killed. Using force is a last resort when all other options are closed. The movie Joe Hoft posted this morning of the immediate moments before the assault was launched shows the hostages running from the building. You also see the failed hostage taker poke his head out the door with a pistol in his hand. Malik Akram was now alone in the synagogue. There was no need to kill him and put the lives of the HRT at risk. The FBI needs to do some explaining. https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/01/fbi-violate-protocol-launch-swat-assault-hostages-escaped/ Full auto while conducting CQB? Hmmmmmmm Flash bangs in confined spaces? That’s what they are for and I’ll bet anything that they toss tons of them during a training iteration There were no hostages but the suspect had a weapon and kept insisting that he also had explosives. |
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Posted: 1/20/2022 8:10:00 AM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Or they really wanted the headline "SWAT Team Storms Building; Hostages Freed; Not Necessarily In That Order" despite the fact that the two things aren't directly related. |
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Posted: 1/20/2022 8:15:46 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The Gold star award goes the Philly cops when they assaulted the MOVE "compound". https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/696/GettyImages-515241528_jpeg-2247055.JPGWe said move, motherfuckers!! Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Remember when Dallas SWAT drove a robot strapped with C4 to murder a suspect? The Gold star award goes the Philly cops when they assaulted the MOVE "compound". https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/696/GettyImages-515241528_jpeg-2247055.JPGWe said move, motherfuckers!! "Or we'll drop a bomb on you. We'll burn the whole fucking neighborhood down!" |
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Posted: 1/20/2022 8:19:05 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Remember when Dallas SWAT drove a robot strapped with C4 to murder a suspect? That was during an active fire fight. |
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Posted: 1/20/2022 8:19:30 AM EDT
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Quoted: Because they had to take out their operative before he spoke to the media or public. Let me make it clear up front that I have no problem with killing a terrorist. But the death of Malik Akram, who had been holding four hostages at a synagogue north of Dallas, does not make sense. The FBI Hostage Rescue Team did not follow the standard operating procedure for conducting an assault. I have more than 35 years experience with counter-terrorism and police training. I was the Deputy Director of the Anti-Terrorism Assistance Training Program when I was at the Department of State. There is a checklist that SWAT teams follow in evaluating a threat and deciding on a course of action. When you have a hostage incident the prime objective is to end the situation peacefully with no harm to the hostages. If the hostage taker escalates the threat to the hostages or begins to physically harm them, that should trigger an assault. But if the hostages escape and are no longer in jeopardy and there are no other civilians at risk, there is no need to put the lives of SWAT officers in danger by conducting an armed assault. Anytime you are firing automatic weapons and using flash bang grenades in a confined space, the good guys can be wounded or killed. Using force is a last resort when all other options are closed. The movie Joe Hoft posted this morning of the immediate moments before the assault was launched shows the hostages running from the building. You also see the failed hostage taker poke his head out the door with a pistol in his hand. Malik Akram was now alone in the synagogue. There was no need to kill him and put the lives of the HRT at risk. The FBI needs to do some explaining. https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/01/fbi-violate-protocol-launch-swat-assault-hostages-escaped/ Like the KGB, the FBI explains nothing. They are above the law in this communist regime. |
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Posted: 1/20/2022 8:21:13 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Remember when Dallas SWAT drove a robot strapped with C4 to murder a suspect? That was a brilliant tactical decision, and completely justified. |
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Posted: 1/20/2022 8:26:11 AM EDT
[#33]
How are we so sure that the FBI knew the guy was in the building by himself?
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Posted: 1/20/2022 8:30:29 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How are we so sure that the FBI knew the guy was in the building by himself? That's most likely what drove the in extremis assault. That and they felt that had the initiative for whatever reason. The suspect most likely didn't surrender and met the criteria to be shot…..means, opportunity, intent… It's always fun to bash cops, in particular the FBI, but I don't how this was going to self resolve any other way. The way this works is once HRT rolled up they developed an emergency assault plan….simple and brutal. One they did the hand-off and took command of the scene their emergency assault force was put in place and the closest tactically viable position and the other members began planning for a deliberate assault, e.g. a well orchestrated assault. At a certain point the the emergency assaulters will hand off with those assaulters that have rehearsed the briefed and approved deliberate assault plan and they will become the primary effort. What most likely occurred was when the hostages were released HRT took advantage of that confusion and executed the assault to #1 secure any remaining hostages and #2 capture the suspect or suspects. During that assault he'll be given verbal commands. If he fails to comply or remains armed he's going to get schwacked……pretty simple stuff. |
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Posted: 1/20/2022 8:36:09 AM EDT
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Quoted: Because they had to take out their operative before he spoke to the media or public. Let me make it clear up front that I have no problem with killing a terrorist. But the death of Malik Akram, who had been holding four hostages at a synagogue north of Dallas, does not make sense. The FBI Hostage Rescue Team did not follow the standard operating procedure for conducting an assault. I have more than 35 years experience with counter-terrorism and police training. I was the Deputy Director of the Anti-Terrorism Assistance Training Program when I was at the Department of State. There is a checklist that SWAT teams follow in evaluating a threat and deciding on a course of action. When you have a hostage incident the prime objective is to end the situation peacefully with no harm to the hostages. If the hostage taker escalates the threat to the hostages or begins to physically harm them, that should trigger an assault. But if the hostages escape and are no longer in jeopardy and there are no other civilians at risk, there is no need to put the lives of SWAT officers in danger by conducting an armed assault. Anytime you are firing automatic weapons and using flash bang grenades in a confined space, the good guys can be wounded or killed. Using force is a last resort when all other options are closed. The movie Joe Hoft posted this morning of the immediate moments before the assault was launched shows the hostages running from the building. You also see the failed hostage taker poke his head out the door with a pistol in his hand. Malik Akram was now alone in the synagogue. There was no need to kill him and put the lives of the HRT at risk. The FBI needs to do some explaining. https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/01/fbi-violate-protocol-launch-swat-assault-hostages-escaped/ Based on some of the terminology you used, I'm not so sure you're the SME you claim you are. |
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Posted: 1/20/2022 8:36:11 AM EDT
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These situations can be chaotic and fluid no matter how elite the "SWAT" team. Sometimes the guys in the inner perimeter see or hear something and they have to respond. I've been involved in some call-out where guys had to respond to something unexpected: the suspect falling asleep and the hostage walking out, the suspect coming out a back door, or killing himself.
It is also common to have a standing "green light" if the suspect exposes himself. Having said that, I'm confident that the fbi is totally corrupted and has become our own modern Stasi and nothing would surprise me. |
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Posted: 1/20/2022 8:43:05 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Dead men tell no tales. I truly believe this was a false flag terrorist that went off the rails on his own. He was a known terrorist and was given a visa 2 weeks ago. |
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Posted: 1/20/2022 8:45:12 AM EDT
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Why was the FBI there at all? This seemed like a minor incident. Couldn’t local PD have handled it?
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Posted: 1/20/2022 8:46:49 AM EDT
[#39]
This story will go away as fast as the terrorist who attacked the parade.
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Posted: 1/20/2022 8:47:12 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The Gold star award goes the Philly cops when they assaulted the MOVE "compound". https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/696/GettyImages-515241528_jpeg-2247055.JPGWe said move, motherfuckers!! Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Remember when Dallas SWAT drove a robot strapped with C4 to murder a suspect? The Gold star award goes the Philly cops when they assaulted the MOVE "compound". https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/696/GettyImages-515241528_jpeg-2247055.JPGWe said move, motherfuckers!! Didn’t they drop satchel charges from a helicopter, starting a fire? |
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Posted: 1/20/2022 8:48:38 AM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Why was the FBI there at all? This seemed like a minor incident. Couldn’t local PD have handled it? All two maybe three of them that were on duty at the time??? |
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Posted: 1/20/2022 8:55:10 AM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Dead men tell no tales. Yo..Ho..Ho and a bottle of rum. 
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Posted: 1/20/2022 8:57:22 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Based on some of the terminology you used, I'm not so sure you're the SME you claim you are. @Jacare Brain dead , did you read the link posted below. Not my fucking words! There from the article. Duh! |
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Posted: 1/20/2022 8:57:23 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:Some dude that worked at State. Right. You spend a lot of time reviewing HRT's SOPs while you were there? Welcome fellow FBI enthusiast. 
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Posted: 1/20/2022 8:59:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Didn’t they drop satchel charges from a helicopter, starting a fire? Yup. Some type of glob-o-bomb. IIRC, over 50lbs of HE to effect a roof breach…..or burn down a city block. Whichever occurred first I suppose. |
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Posted: 1/20/2022 8:59:36 AM EDT
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There is a checklist that SWAT teams follow in evaluating a threat and deciding on a course of action.  Attached File |
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Posted: 1/20/2022 9:01:13 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Based on some of the terminology you used, I'm not so sure you're the SME you claim you are. The OP is a newbie and I don't think he understands how to use quotes. That verbiage isn't his. It's copy/pasta from the article. |
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Posted: 1/20/2022 9:01:25 AM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted:HRT are assaulters by trade. Those guys don’t do barricades. They had several hours to draw up an assualt plan. Yeah they could have sat back and gassed the shit out of the building treating it like a barricade and he might have come out, or they use speed surprise and violence to control the outcome and dominate the structure. From a technical aspect at the level HRT operates at, there is probably less variables for them to execute a planned assualt vs turning it into a barricade and leaving the decision making in the hands of the suspect. But this is GD so logic isn’t as fun. The HRT doesn’t make the decision to go. Someone much higher in the COC takes the input of the HRT and the input of the public relations supervisor and lots of other inputs and the gives the HRT the go. 
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Posted: 1/20/2022 9:02:28 AM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Dead men tell no tales. |
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Posted: 1/20/2022 9:03:11 AM EDT
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All loaded up with nowhere to go........ nah they getting it on.
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