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He fell victim to one of the classic blunders.

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He could have 'won' easily if he had declared victory in 1940 after the fall of France.

Don't invade Russia, attempt a separate peace with Britain (or just ignore them) and spend the next several years creating a Fortress Europe Uber Recih of Germany + France + Belgium + Czech Republic + 1/2 Poland.  

At that point in the War, he had more then achieved 'liebenstraum' and had suffered minimal casualties, and had all of Germany's industrial base intact.

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iv always wondered what would have happened had hitler waited until 1940 and instead of fucking with france, belgium, england etc, had instead built up his forces and attacked russia much harder and only had them to deal with.

i think he might have beaten them. Stalin treated most of russia  like absolute shit, murdering and starving them by the millions. the germans were welcomed in many areas as saviors and were treated as such. if hitler could have made it to moscow and removed stalin and taken control of russia he would have been in a great position. he would have had russias oil fields, vast resources, factories and shitloads of russians who would have likely happily worked to build war machines for germany and maybe even serve in the military in exchange for decent treatment, food, farms, and land as rewards and such. i also doubt russia would have gotten any aid from the united states while fighting germany, as long as hitler left the western countries alone.

then once he defeated russia, he could rebuild his military with the aid of russian factories, that would be much more difficult to bomb than german factories were. then with a rebuilt military, secure oil, resources, and increased manpower he could go after france, england etc and likely be unstoppable with russians manufacturing his war materials in massive quantities. if he left the west alone i doubt they would have been able to band together and build their militaries until germany started attacking them, and it would have been too late by then.

its a interesting scenerio.

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Hitler lost because he did it in the first place.  No amount of planning would have allowed Germany to win.  None.

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Russian winter will always remain undefeated in conventional warfare.

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iv always wondered what would have happened had hitler waited until 1940 and instead of fucking with france, belgium, england etc, had instead built up his forces and attacked russia much harder and only had them to deal with.

i think he might have beaten them. Stalin treated most of russia  like absolute shit, murdering and starving them by the millions. hell, stalin murdered his own citizens on a scale hitler could only dream of doing, and stalin had been doing it long before WWII ever kicked off. the germans were welcomed in many areas as saviors and were treated as such. if hitler could have made it to moscow and removed stalin and taken control of russia he would have been in a great position. he would have had russias oil fields, vast resources, factories and shitloads of russians who would have likely happily worked to build war machines for germany and maybe even serve in the military in exchange for decent treatment, food, farms, and land as rewards and such. i also doubt russia would have gotten any aid from the united states while fighting germany, as long as hitler left the western countries alone.

then once he defeated russia, he could rebuild his military with the aid of russian factories, that would be much more difficult to bomb than german factories were. then with a rebuilt military, secure oil, resources, and increased manpower he could go after france, england etc and likely be unstoppable with russians manufacturing his war materials in massive quantities. if he left the west alone i doubt they would have been able to band together and build their militaries until germany started attacking them, and it would have been too late by then.

its a interesting scenerio.

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He could have 'won' easily if he had declared victory in 1940 after the fall of France.

Don't invade Russia, attempt a separate peace with Britain (or just ignore them) and spend the next several years creating a Fortress Europe Uber Recih of Germany + France + Belgium + Czech Republic + 1/2 Poland.  

At that point in the War, he had more then achieved 'liebenstraum' and had suffered minimal casualties, and had all of Germany's industrial base intact.

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Its pretty nuts they did as well as they did IMHO for a single country whose armament rebuild from the first world war was hindered by the Treaty of Versailles

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He could have 'won' easily if he had declared victory in 1940 after the fall of France.

Don't invade Russia, attempt a separate peace with Britain (or just ignore them) and spend the next several years creating a Fortress Europe Uber Recih of Germany + France + Belgium + Czech Republic + 1/2 Poland.  

At that point in the War, he had more then achieved 'liebenstraum' and had suffered minimal casualties, and had all of Germany's industrial base intact.

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He could have 'won' easily if he had declared victory in 1940 after the fall of France.

Don't invade Russia, attempt a separate peace with Britain (or just ignore them) and spend the next several years creating a Fortress Europe Uber Recih of Germany + France + Belgium + Czech Republic + 1/2 Poland.  

At that point in the War, he had more then achieved 'liebenstraum' and had suffered minimal casualties, and had all of Germany's industrial base intact.

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He could have 'won' easily if he had declared victory in 1940 after the fall of France.

Don't invade Russia, attempt a separate peace with Britain (or just ignore them) and spend the next several years creating a Fortress Europe Uber Recih of Germany + France + Belgium + Czech Republic + 1/2 Poland.  

At that point in the War, he had more then achieved 'liebenstraum' and had suffered minimal casualties, and had all of Germany's industrial base intact.

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Stalin was going to invade Western Europe in late 1941 - 1942.  

Barbarossa was a pre-emptive strike.  

He didn’t have a choice in attacking the Soviet Union.

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Failure at Dunkirk set all else in motion.  Practically everything afterwards is irrelevant.  

Most of the British government except Churchill was in a panic as the French disintegrated and the bulk of the BEF was pinned against the coast.  Lord Halifax, who had been an architect of the appeasement policy, had just declined to be Prime Minister - in my opinion because he intended Churchill to eat the shit sandwich when the BEF was captured and the British were forced into a humiliating and costly peace, at best.  Lord Halifax would then be the logical choice to pick up the pieces and work with the "new normal" of a German superpower; he thought they had lost and he'd rather rule in hell.  Halifax was now foreign secretary and attempted a coup in the war cabinet by convincing them that the war was lost, which would tie Churchill's hands and set him up for the fall.  (This is strikingly similar to the successful Petain/Laval bloodless coup in France that resulted in the armistice and the collaborationist Vichy regime)  But Churchill saw Halifax coming and tripled down on continuing the war with a speech that rallied the war cabinet on May 28th, while the odds of a successful evacuation appeared slim.  Then the BEF slipped away and Churchill's position as PM and his policy of total resistance for the duration was set in stone.  

Results are that the Luftwaffe was badly weakened by the Battle of Britain; the Kriegsmarine was bottled up and global resources were denied to Germany; Spain stayed out of the war; U-boats fought a costly and ultimately failed war against the convoys; the Germans poured panzers into North Africa and lost because the British were sinking their Mediterranean convoys; the Americans would have an unsinkable aircraft carrier from which to bomb Germany without mercy and ultimately to invade North Africa, Italy, and France; a huge portion of the Luftwaffe and millions of men working hundreds of thousands of guns would be diverted to resisting the bombing campaign; a large number of laborers and troops were forced to build and man expensive fortifications; the extraordinarily expensive V2 program drained strategic resources; on and on.  

Britain would probably have had to pay significant reparations in cash or strategic resources that would give the German economy a steroid boost and provide protection to German merchantmen.  Britain exiting the war almost certainly would have freed up enough resources to take Moscow.  With no easy way to get at each other and no convoys causing an ongoing exchange of fire it's less likely that Hitler would carelessly declare war on the US and Roosevelt would have a hell of a hard time politically declaring war on Germany since the difficulties of strategic bombing or invasion would have been magnified a thousand fold.  Germany would end up taking and keeping the Soviet and Middle East oil fields and become energy self sufficient.  Most likely result is that a US vs Germany cold war fought in Asia would develop while both sides lacked the conventional arms to fight a decisive war with each other and this would settle into a long term nuclear-armed cold war.

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Its pretty nuts they did as well as they did IMHO for a single country whose armament rebuild from the first world war was hindered by the Treaty of Versailles

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Hitler lost because he did it in the first place.  No amount of planning would have allowed Germany to win.  None.

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Impossible. There is credible evidence that Russia was getting seriously ready to attack Germany after the 1939 Molotov pact and he was in fact forced into a position to attack.

His fate was decided with the august 1939 pact when UK+france declared war upon them.

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Should've done Barbarossa before invading Poland

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Hitler lost because he did it in the first place.  No amount of planning would have allowed Germany to win.  None.

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I'm sure Poland would have been eager to volunteer to be the meat in that shit sandwich.  

I guess they were fucked regardless as the Soviets had ambitions just like the Nazis.

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Living space was just an early goal, world domination is what he was after.

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winning hearts and minds.......if they had not gone scorched earth in Russia, it may have been far different, many civilians at first viewed the Germans as liberators......a smart leader would have used that.

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So to the man on the street and average Party member...identical in every way.  Got it.  Much massive difference, lol.

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He could have 'won' easily if he had declared victory in 1940 after the fall of France.

Don't invade Russia, attempt a separate peace with Britain (or just ignore them) and spend the next several years creating a Fortress Europe Uber Recih of Germany + France + Belgium + Czech Republic + 1/2 Poland.

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Russia was going to smoke the Germans one way or the other. Being a Nazi retard did affect how poorly the Germans did but the outcome wouldn't have changed even if they'd have chilled out after absorbing Austria.

Imagine how different the world would be if we would've had to prop up German Nationalists to keep France from falling to the Russians. Crazy.

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Suvorov: Icebreak is a great book

in fact the Soviet Union was far ahead of Germany technology-wise, numbers-wise, in every category. Suvorov documents it.

Today and in pop-culture (movies like Enemy at the Gates) make the Russian look like peasants who shared one rifle between 3 people but in fact they exceeded Germans. Consider just the T34 tank that could not be stopped in 1941.

The reason why the Soviets lost heavily in 1941-1942 time frame is because they had 80% of their technology captured at the border, as they moved everything close to the border, getting ready to attack.
80% of their airplanes burned at the airports without taking off, massive ammo depots captured, etc. etc.

Suvorov documents they weren't getting ready for a defensive war at all and that explains why all the equipment was right on the border.

Essentially they won the war with 20% that was left and by relocating tank factories far east.

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He could have 'won' easily if he had declared victory in 1940 after the fall of France.

Don't invade Russia, attempt a separate peace with Britain (or just ignore them) and spend the next several years creating a Fortress Europe Uber Recih of Germany + France + Belgium + Czech Republic + 1/2 Poland.  

At that point in the War, he had more then achieved 'liebenstraum' and had suffered minimal casualties, and had all of Germany's industrial base intact.

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Its pretty nuts they did as well as they did IMHO for a single country whose armament rebuild from the first world war was hindered by the Treaty of Versailles

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He could have 'won' easily if he had declared victory in 1940 after the fall of France.

Don't invade Russia, attempt a separate peace with Britain (or just ignore them) and spend the next several years creating a Fortress Europe Uber Recih of Germany + France + Belgium + Czech Republic + 1/2 Poland.  

At that point in the War, he had more then achieved 'liebenstraum' and had suffered minimal casualties, and had all of Germany's industrial base intact.

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He flat out rejected the Treaty in 1935- 36. Openly said he was finished with the terms of it. Germany pretty much had  been violating the terms since the late 1920s.

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iv always wondered what would have happened had hitler waited until 1940 and instead of fucking with france, belgium, england etc, had instead built up his forces and attacked russia much harder and only had them to deal with.

i think he might have beaten them. Stalin treated most of russia  like absolute shit, murdering and starving them by the millions. hell, stalin murdered his own citizens on a scale hitler could only dream of doing, and stalin had been doing it long before WWII ever kicked off. the germans were welcomed in many areas as saviors and were treated as such. if hitler could have made it to moscow and removed stalin and taken control of russia he would have been in a great position. he would have had russias oil fields, vast resources, factories and shitloads of russians who would have likely happily worked to build war machines for germany and maybe even serve in the military in exchange for decent treatment, food, farms, and land as rewards and such. i also doubt russia would have gotten any aid from the united states while fighting germany, as long as hitler left the western countries alone.

then once he defeated russia, he could rebuild his military with the aid of russian factories, that would be much more difficult to bomb than german factories were. then with a rebuilt military, secure oil, resources, and increased manpower he could go after france, england etc and likely be unstoppable with russians manufacturing his war materials in massive quantities. if he left the west alone i doubt they would have been able to band together and build their militaries until germany started attacking them, and it would have been too late by then.

its a interesting scenerio.