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Posted: 8/1/2017 2:09:29 PM EST
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Because the Armed Forces reward valuable, highly trained people? 
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Posted: 8/1/2017 2:17:46 PM EST
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Most pilots are O-3s (Captains or Lieutenants).
Aviation training takes a long time 2-3 years to be winged and type rated, so they spend their time as O-1s and a good portion of O-2 in the training pipeline. In the Navy, aviation duty is much easier than surface line, so the retention of aviators is higher. So you'll see a lot of aviation trained officers of midgrade rank O-4 and O-5 filling a lot of general billets. So it's likely if you see an officer of this rank, it is an aviator. It's simply a numbers game. |
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Posted: 8/1/2017 2:18:41 PM EST
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Don't question the zipper suited sun gods. They all deserve 4 stars and designated parking spots at the commissary. NOW we're getting somewhere! |
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Posted: 8/1/2017 2:19:40 PM EST
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I get that, but it seems like a lot of them are over LT and in the major/col range Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Because they're trusted with expensive and powerful shit thousands of feet off the ground? |
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Posted: 8/1/2017 2:28:22 PM EST
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But an E-6 can run an M109 with a crew of 6. M109s rarely operate independently in and around foreign countries. |
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Posted: 8/1/2017 2:30:24 PM EST
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OP is overlooking the hordes of buffer pilots.
But an E-6 can run an M109 with a crew of 6. |
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Posted: 8/1/2017 2:33:07 PM EST
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It takes a while to get through flight school. Most USMC pilots hit Capt right about the time they get to the fleet. However in the Army the Warrants typically have more experience than the Commissioned types. It's actually fairly typical to have a CW2 as the pilot in command and a CPT or 1LT as a pilot. ETA Pilots also have a much longer service commitment. When you have to stick around 6/8/10 years, you tend to be higher ranking. Ground types often get out after 4 and a much shorter training pipeline. |
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Posted: 8/1/2017 2:41:33 PM EST
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Did he get it back on the ground in usable condition, or did he pile it in? I don't remember the incident. |
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Posted: 8/1/2017 2:56:19 PM EST
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I see a lot of majors and even colonels. What's the reason for this? What's the highest rank the Usaaf or usaf sends into combat? My buddy is a Warrant Officer and he was having trouble getting flight hours because a senior officer in his unit would always take the hours that were available because he outranked my buddy. |
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Posted: 8/1/2017 3:02:07 PM EST
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He landed it with no issues. He had about 100 hours in the simulator for it. |
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Posted: 8/1/2017 3:03:00 PM EST
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Also the training lasts long enough most are 1st Lts before they get to their first duty station. And not long after that they'll make captain. 2 years as second "luey" . 2 years as first 6 years as captain. Everybody at my 10 year reunion who was still active duty had just pinned on Major. It used to be....back in the day...you had to be married (to a woman....if you were a man) and have a Master's degree to get promoted to Major. And of course you have to do Squadron Officer's School (SOS). |
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Posted: 8/1/2017 4:00:48 PM EST
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He landed it with no issues. He had about 100 hours in the simulator for it. |
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Posted: 8/1/2017 4:07:31 PM EST
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He was also an accomplished glider pilot, IIRC. |
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Posted: 8/3/2017 6:47:37 PM EST
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Anybody who advocates for enlisted aircrew highlights their lack of understanding. It works in helicopters, but not in fixed wing.
Enlisted fixed wing pilots in the air force or navy would end up turning over faster than officers due to worse pay and that they would be older than a typical 2lt. The best pilots are usually senior captains and above. |
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Posted: 8/3/2017 6:53:48 PM EST
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Anybody who advocates for enlisted aircrew highlights their lack of understanding. It works in helicopters, but not in fixed wing. Enlisted fixed wing pilots in the air force or navy would end up turning over faster than officers due to worse pay and that they would be older than a typical 2lt. The best pilots are usually senior captains and above. |
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Posted: 8/3/2017 9:09:50 PM EST
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The enlisted pilot debate has never been about if enlisted dudes have the capacity or capability to do the job. The issue is that the AF can't keep officers in the service to fly airplanes. And now they are exploring the possibility of having dudes who they give 1/3 the paycheck to do the same job. It is a bullshit personnel cop out to fix the undermanning issues. But it would only make things worse. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Anybody who advocates for enlisted aircrew highlights their lack of understanding. It works in helicopters, but not in fixed wing. Enlisted fixed wing pilots in the air force or navy would end up turning over faster than officers due to worse pay and that they would be older than a typical 2lt. The best pilots are usually senior captains and above. Im a full time part timer. Most old guys take a pay cut to do this job because they love it. They make half of what they do at fedex while in uniform. Take away the balance of good and bs and they retire early. Make a good unit, that takes care of the mission & people, and they max out their extension waivers. |
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Posted: 8/6/2017 10:37:20 AM EST
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Anybody who advocates for enlisted aircrew highlights their lack of understanding. It works in helicopters, but not in fixed wing. Enlisted fixed wing pilots in the air force or navy would end up turning over faster than officers due to worse pay and that they would be older than a typical 2lt. The best pilots are usually senior captains and above. 
The best pilots are Warrants. |
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Posted: 8/6/2017 11:39:38 AM EST
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Would you give a Marine Lance Corporal an aircraft? |
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Posted: 8/6/2017 12:09:45 PM EST
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I get that, but it seems like a lot of them are over LT and in the major/col range |
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Posted: 8/6/2017 12:24:58 PM EST
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Lt colonel is the first rank that matters like E-7 ON ENLISTED SIDE.
up until them alot of promotion is based on time in service so by the time you finish flight school, sere school, ect you are likely a captain, by the time you re approved to fly combat missions a Major, and combat missions solo ready for Lt colonel. |
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Posted: 8/7/2017 6:45:32 PM EST
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Lt colonel is the first rank that matters like E-7 ON ENLISTED SIDE. up until them alot of promotion is based on time in service so by the time you finish flight school, sere school, ect you are likely a captain, by the time you re approved to fly combat missions a Major, and combat missions solo ready for Lt colonel. |
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Posted: 8/7/2017 6:51:01 PM EST
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Lt colonel is the first rank that matters like E-7 ON ENLISTED SIDE. up until them alot of promotion is based on time in service so by the time you finish flight school, sere school, ect you are likely a captain, by the time you re approved to fly combat missions a Major, and combat missions solo ready for Lt colonel. |
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