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Posted: 9/26/2018 9:37:57 PM EDT
WTF did I do?

I am jumping my 1984 Mercedes 300d from my Honda civic. Battery on the Mercedes is super dead.  Verified polarity. Mercedes tries to turn over, but not getting enough juice.  I checked the cables for good connection and noticed they are more than warm

Not an expert, but I have used jumper cables many times. Never noticed this before.

Is this because the Mercedes is a beast and pulling lots of current from the Civic?
Link Posted: 9/26/2018 9:39:03 PM EDT
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Short in the jumpee?
Link Posted: 9/26/2018 9:39:35 PM EDT
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Resistive Heating
Link Posted: 9/26/2018 9:39:36 PM EDT
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Current.
Link Posted: 9/26/2018 9:40:24 PM EDT
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You need bigger cables. Have some made out of 00 cable.
Link Posted: 9/26/2018 9:40:42 PM EDT
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Pulling more current than the wire thickness is rated for at that length.  Good jumper cables are fucking thick and heavy. Pick up a jump pack. Best money ever spent.
Link Posted: 9/26/2018 9:41:23 PM EDT
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Use two sets of cables so they don't have as much current going through each set
Link Posted: 9/26/2018 9:41:28 PM EDT
[#7]
Too much current for your cheap cables.
Link Posted: 9/26/2018 9:41:43 PM EDT
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The Mercedes?   possibly, I guess. I am experiencing electrical issues - I suspected I just needed a new alternator
Link Posted: 9/26/2018 9:41:44 PM EDT
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Lots of amps going through them.
Link Posted: 9/26/2018 9:42:19 PM EDT
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What's the wire gauge of your cables?
Link Posted: 9/26/2018 9:42:36 PM EDT
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Stop buying cheap jumper cables, the cheapos have a higher gauge of wire (Means less copper) and will not be able to handle the full amount of current going through them.
Link Posted: 9/26/2018 9:42:43 PM EDT
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Amps, resistance, voltage and all that jazz.

get bigger cables or clean the connections
Link Posted: 9/26/2018 9:43:07 PM EDT
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Too much current for your cheap cables.
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I jumped it yesterday with heavier cables. I noticed them getting a little warm
Link Posted: 9/26/2018 9:43:12 PM EDT
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Double aught not enough.
Link Posted: 9/26/2018 9:43:57 PM EDT
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Too much current for your cheap cables.
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$2.00 cables are not good enough for a Mercedes.
Link Posted: 9/26/2018 9:44:35 PM EDT
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Angry pixies be extra angry!
Link Posted: 9/26/2018 9:44:44 PM EDT
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The cables in my Civic are cheap. Have better one's in the Pilot,  but the wife has it now - carting kids around
Link Posted: 9/26/2018 9:45:12 PM EDT
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Cheap Wal-Mart cables, total junk.

If they're good cables, buy new battery for dead car, cell shorted out.

Edit: If you're jumping it every day maybe you should get a new battery, ya think?
Link Posted: 9/26/2018 9:45:14 PM EDT
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Shorted battery .

edit : beat by 2 seconds ^^
Link Posted: 9/26/2018 9:47:00 PM EDT
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You should be pulling the battery and putting it on a regular charger unless you're stranded.
Link Posted: 9/26/2018 9:47:12 PM EDT
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Your battery may have a shorted cell -- or two. It could be dangerous.
Link Posted: 9/26/2018 9:47:59 PM EDT
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Could be a bad connection between the cable and clamp, but not likely.
Link Posted: 9/26/2018 9:48:01 PM EDT
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Heat comes from resistance.

Resistance comes from several places...cables too small, poor connections, too much draw for the cables, cars touching, bad battery, and so on.

The big things- make sure the cars are not touching.  Ensure a rock solid connection to the terminals.  Go terminal to terminal instead of a heavy metal engine part.

Also...never loop a cable over itself and ensure the cables are dry, clean, and undamaged....not kinked or crushed anywhere.
Link Posted: 9/26/2018 9:48:33 PM EDT
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High compression OM617 diesel engine vs dinky Honda Civic alternator plus undersized cables = lots of heat.  Been there, done that.

I suggest leaving the cables on and let the battery charge for 10-20mins before attempting a start.
Link Posted: 9/26/2018 9:49:23 PM EDT
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I jumped it yesterday with heavier cables. I noticed them getting a little warm
Well.....there is your answer. Right out of your own finger tips.
Link Posted: 9/26/2018 9:50:43 PM EDT
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I totally understand the cheap cable issue. I just never experienced this before and wanted to make sure I wasn't doing something stupid
Link Posted: 9/26/2018 9:51:41 PM EDT
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An employee's gilfriend had a Triumph TR7.

The battery was low so he tried to trickle charge it. He reversed the polarity. The car caught on fire. Total write off.

She left him.
Link Posted: 9/26/2018 9:53:06 PM EDT
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Cheap Wal-Mart cables, total junk.

If they're good cables, buy new battery for dead car, cell shorted out.

Edit: If you're jumping it every day maybe you should get a new battery, ya think?
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Battery is brand new, but I haven't driven it in a few months. I jumped it yesterday and let it run for 30 minutes. I measured 12.5 volts across the battery while running and assume that meant the alternator was charging it

Measures 8 volts while car is off
Link Posted: 9/26/2018 9:54:35 PM EDT
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Call
Attachment Attached File

Then go have a beer and let them worry about it.  
Link Posted: 9/26/2018 9:55:49 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 9/26/2018 9:57:44 PM EDT
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I'd say 12.5 volts is way too low for proper charging. There might be something wrong with the charging system in the Mercedes.
Link Posted: 9/26/2018 9:57:52 PM EDT
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Battery is brand new, but I haven't driven it in a few months. I jumped it yesterday and let it run for 30 minutes. I measured 12.5 volts across the battery while running and assume that meant the alternator was charging it

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12.5V seems low.
Link Posted: 9/26/2018 9:58:32 PM EDT
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Electrical issue with the MB.

Try jumping with its battery disconnected, and have the Civic running.
Link Posted: 9/26/2018 9:59:00 PM EDT
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Lol.
Link Posted: 9/26/2018 9:59:42 PM EDT
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12.5V seems low.
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Battery is brand new, but I haven't driven it in a few months. I jumped it yesterday and let it run for 30 minutes. I measured 12.5 volts across the battery while running and assume that meant the alternator was charging it

Measures 8 volts while car is off
12.5V seems low.
Probably doing the best it can. 8 volts on battery while off says battery is FUBAR'd
Link Posted: 9/26/2018 10:01:03 PM EDT
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An employee's gilfriend had a Triumph TR7.

The battery was low so he tried to trickle charge it. He reversed the polarity. The car caught on fire. Total write off.

She left him.
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The shape of things that win
Link Posted: 9/26/2018 10:01:41 PM EDT
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Probably doing the best it can. 8 volts on battery while off says battery is FUBAR'd
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Battery is only a few months old. I put it in, and haven't driven the car
Link Posted: 9/26/2018 10:03:41 PM EDT
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Battery is only a few months old. I put it in, and haven't driven the car
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A new battery can be defective.
Link Posted: 9/26/2018 10:07:08 PM EDT
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You said you checked the polarity, but you didn't say HOW you connected them.

Red to red, or red to black?
Link Posted: 9/26/2018 10:08:59 PM EDT
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A new battery can be defective.
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Yeah.  I am stuck on the thought it drained due to the combination of the alternator not charging it and just sitting there for a few months.
Link Posted: 9/26/2018 10:09:51 PM EDT
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You said you checked the polarity, but you didn't say HOW you connected them.

Red to red, or red to black?
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+ to +
- to -
Link Posted: 9/26/2018 10:10:05 PM EDT
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Link Posted: 9/26/2018 10:10:09 PM EDT
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Internal short in dead battery, drawing too much current from good battery.

Or

Cheap ass cables of insufficient size.
Link Posted: 9/26/2018 10:11:01 PM EDT
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Too light of cable, damaged cable, or poor connection between the clamps and cable.
Link Posted: 9/26/2018 10:11:52 PM EDT
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Yeah.  I am stuck on the thought it drained the alternator not charging it and just sitting there for a few months.
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Remove the battery and take it in to have it charged and tested. Once the battery is either confirmed good or replaced under warranty, have the alternator tested.
Link Posted: 9/26/2018 10:13:35 PM EDT
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Battery is brand new, but I haven't driven it in a few months. I jumped it yesterday and let it run for 30 minutes. I measured 12.5 volts across the battery while running and assume that meant the alternator was charging it

Measures 8 volts while car is off
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A fully charged car battery should be around 12.8v. Battery should be 13-14v when the engine is running.
Link Posted: 9/26/2018 10:13:45 PM EDT
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You said you checked the polarity, but you didn't say HOW you connected them.

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Red and black terminals are a symptom of the cispolarity capitalist construct. There are more than two polarities and polarity is fluid.

Fight the polacrity and just hook up the cables anyway you want.

Link Posted: 9/26/2018 10:15:45 PM EDT
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Remove the battery and take it in to have it charged and tested. Once the battery is either confirmed good or replaced under warranty, have the alternator tested.
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That makes too much sense!

I have the cables hooked up and the Civic idling now
Link Posted: 9/26/2018 10:16:28 PM EDT
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If the battery has 8 volts with the car off, it is done for.

With the car running, and only outputting 12.5 volts, you might need an alternator too. It should be reading 14.4 to 14.6 volts when the vehicle is running.

Methinks you've got multiple issues.
Link Posted: 9/26/2018 10:18:25 PM EDT
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