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Link Posted: 12/13/2018 9:18:28 AM EST
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I wish American LE would do the European paint schemes.
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They look so queer though and I’m not convinced they’re any more visible than any other vehicle covered in rapidly blinking lights.

Also the Euros use unmarked cars as well.

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Link Posted: 12/13/2018 9:18:35 AM EST
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Nope. That scheme is fugly.
Link Posted: 12/13/2018 9:22:41 AM EST
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Because it used to be that people painted them black and white so to be easily identified to allow the civilians to find them when they needed help. You know. To serve and protect.

Now they just want to ticket you and abuse their power. Easier to do that when they can sneak up on you in a black squad with low profile lights.
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This seems to be the case. Since policing is a profit center for governments
Link Posted: 12/13/2018 9:31:26 AM EST
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I might bet trashed (wouldn't be the first time ) but I think the Michigan State Police car is badass.

https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8247/8489849347_2315d7c67d_b.jpg
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I agree.
Link Posted: 12/13/2018 9:33:42 AM EST
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Ours still are. Costs 3000 more per car and makes it a bitch to sell at auction when we surplus them.
Link Posted: 12/13/2018 9:34:18 AM EST
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And their traffic enforcement methods as well?
Link Posted: 12/13/2018 9:37:26 AM EST
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They are all about looking cool now.
Link Posted: 12/13/2018 9:41:42 AM EST
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Why aren’t police cars still cars?

Forfeiture of drug money’s.

Yet we pay for the gas to feed a fleet of sawed off suburbans
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Okay, find me a 4-door sedan that allows more then you lunchbox in the trunk.
Link Posted: 12/13/2018 9:53:26 AM EST
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God that looks like hell.
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Besides cost and aesthetics, some departments believe that all white is easier to discern and better for roadside safety.  Even many fire trucks have gone to putting flourescent red and yellow on the back for this purpose.
Dade County, always being difficult and different from the rest of the state. Has never painted their trucks Red. Always been Highlighter Green longer than I've been alive.

http://www.miamisprings.com/images/july42003/metro-dade-fire-rescue.jpg

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God that looks like hell.
One of the fire depts in north Texas has BLACK fire trucks with matching BLACK bunker gear. Nastiest thing you have ever seen.
Link Posted: 12/13/2018 9:56:27 AM EST
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Sure. Come up with about $5K per car.
Link Posted: 12/13/2018 9:57:00 AM EST
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ive seen a trend where police cars reflect some aspect of their community. For instance Myrtle Beach uses bright baby blue like water. Another city with music history has music notes around the name. I like it. But I also like black and white classic colors
Link Posted: 12/13/2018 10:07:11 AM EST
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Besides cost and aesthetics, some departments believe that all white is easier to discern and better for roadside safety.  Even many fire trucks have gone to putting flourescent red and yellow on the back for this purpose.
Dade County, always being difficult and different from the rest of the state. Has never painted their trucks Red. Always been Highlighter Green longer than I've been alive.

http://www.miamisprings.com/images/july42003/metro-dade-fire-rescue.jpg

https://cdn.firehouse.com/files/base/cygnus/fhc/image/2015/06/960w/Harrisburg_2015_081.556c6346554c7.jpg
God that looks like hell.
One of the fire depts in north Texas has BLACK fire trucks with matching BLACK bunker gear. Nastiest thing you have ever seen.
I’ve seen some non traditional colors on trucks that look good but chemo patient piss yellow has never been one of them. Black gear looks fine IMO if you’re talking about what FDNY wears as an example. I’d prefer it to the tan colored stuff we wear since it doesn’t show as much filth. I hate washing bunker gear.
Link Posted: 12/13/2018 10:29:21 AM EST
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Since the days of when color even became an option, cars here were always just white.
Link Posted: 12/13/2018 10:56:31 AM EST
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If it hasn't been mentioned, resale value.
In our area, the vehicles are mostly all white, with black wrap applied, or white vehicles, with predominately black graphics.

White vehicles have higher resale value.

Jay
Link Posted: 12/13/2018 10:59:23 AM EST
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It’s cheaper to use off the shelf colors and helps the resale value.
Link Posted: 12/13/2018 11:35:18 AM EST
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Me too.

It would probably reduce how many get hit on the side of the road.
Link Posted: 12/13/2018 12:45:31 PM EST
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They are.

Penguins have a rare condition called Synesthesiac Color Blindness.

When you hear a siren, you see colors that aren't actually there
Link Posted: 12/13/2018 12:51:32 PM EST
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Toronto in the 70s/80s

Link Posted: 12/13/2018 12:55:19 PM EST
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The black part would be racist......have you been living under a rock?
Link Posted: 12/13/2018 12:57:44 PM EST
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DMPD has SUV's instead of cruisers now, but they still do black and white.
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Link Posted: 12/13/2018 1:10:36 PM EST
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Because it used to be that people painted them black and white so to be easily identified to allow the civilians to find them when they needed help. You know. To serve and protect.

Now they just want to ticket you and abuse their power. Easier to do that when they can sneak up on you in a black squad with low profile lights.
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Your concern is noted.
Link Posted: 12/13/2018 1:16:11 PM EST
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Because it used to be that people painted them black and white so to be easily identified to allow the civilians to find them when they needed help. You know. To serve and protect.

Now they just want to ticket you and abuse their power. Easier to do that when they can sneak up on you in a black squad with low profile lights.
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+1

Scum bucket move imo.
Link Posted: 12/13/2018 1:16:15 PM EST
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I thought that was a Taxi
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I thought that was a Taxi
Taxis are orange and green

Link Posted: 12/13/2018 1:23:44 PM EST
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Sure. Come up with about $5K per car.
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It costs five grand to paint a car?
Link Posted: 12/13/2018 1:24:16 PM EST
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Because two tone costs more than a solid color.
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Sometimes the simplest answers....
Link Posted: 12/13/2018 1:25:11 PM EST
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Besides cost and aesthetics, some departments believe that all white is easier to discern and better for roadside safety.  Even many fire trucks have gone to putting flourescent red and yellow on the back for this purpose.
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The chevrons are required by the current NFPA standard for fire trucks.
Link Posted: 12/13/2018 1:26:15 PM EST
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I might bet trashed (wouldn't be the first time ) but I think the Michigan State Police car is badass.

https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8247/8489849347_2315d7c67d_b.jpg
The Shark Fin ia stupid. The Bubble Light is cool.
I think they might still light up!!!

https://img.gta5-mods.com/q75/images/michigan-state-police-cvpi/e44f47-2015-11-25_00001.jpg
They are fuck ugly, but I do respect the tradition.  
Link Posted: 12/13/2018 1:34:35 PM EST
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Austin had also done the same going to Black & White.
both used to run Blue & White color schemes.
Sheriffs cars in most counties in S.E. to Central Texas tend to Brown-Gold or Gray-Silver.
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I'm seeing a lot of new centex area sheriff vehicles in black with gold reflective markings
Link Posted: 12/13/2018 1:35:52 PM EST
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What gets me is that here in Arizona (not sure about elsewhere) police cars are coming out either solid white with white marking or solid black with black markings!  Just enough of a shade difference that you could only tell if you're staring at it.  At a glance it just looks plain-jane.  Most likely to say "it's marked, see".
Link Posted: 12/13/2018 1:38:15 PM EST
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I might bet trashed (wouldn't be the first time ) but I think the Michigan State Police car is badass.

https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8247/8489849347_2315d7c67d_b.jpg
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I wonder what that gumball costs in terms of MPG and tops speed.
Link Posted: 12/13/2018 1:40:45 PM EST
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If it hasn't been mentioned, resale value.
In our area, the vehicles are mostly all white, with black wrap applied, or white vehicles, with predominately black graphics.

White vehicles have higher resale value.

Jay
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And the stripped down 2WD Tahoe's have a higher resale value than the sedans.
Link Posted: 12/13/2018 2:02:19 PM EST
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I wonder what that gumball costs in terms of MPG and tops speed.
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All light bars are giant speed brakes.

Less than an old one, but still aerodynamics isn’t high on the design criteria.
Link Posted: 12/13/2018 3:18:41 PM EST
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All light bars are giant speed brakes.

Less than an old one, but still aerodynamics isn’t high on the design criteria.
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Back when I cared enough to look the aerodynamics was a huge selling point in light bars.
Link Posted: 12/13/2018 3:36:59 PM EST
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Pretty sure Va State police have been gray and blue for as long as I can remember.
Link Posted: 12/13/2018 4:14:59 PM EST
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What gets me is that here in Arizona (not sure about elsewhere) police cars are coming out either solid white with white marking or solid black with black markings!  Just enough of a shade difference that you could only tell if you're staring at it.  At a glance it just looks plain-jane.  Most likely to say "it's marked, see".
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We call them ghosts.
Hard to see the graphics in the day, and highly reflective at night.

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Link Posted: 12/13/2018 4:16:27 PM EST
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And the stripped down 2WD Tahoe's have a higher resale value than the sedans.
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If it hasn't been mentioned, resale value.
In our area, the vehicles are mostly all white, with black wrap applied, or white vehicles, with predominately black graphics.

White vehicles have higher resale value.

Jay
And the stripped down 2WD Tahoe's have a higher resale value than the sedans.
I've heard of 4 year old 2007-2014 PPV Tahoes going for 25K at auction.

Jay
Link Posted: 12/13/2018 7:07:58 PM EST
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I wonder what that gumball costs in terms of MPG and tops speed.
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I might bet trashed (wouldn't be the first time ) but I think the Michigan State Police car is badass.

https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8247/8489849347_2315d7c67d_b.jpg
I wonder what that gumball costs in terms of MPG and tops speed.
MSP claims that the gumball is actually more aerodynamic and as a result doesn't cost them as much fuel efficiency or top speed as a regular lightbar.

I'm somewhat suspicious that whatever study they cite for their source predates modern low-profile LED lightbars, but that's what they claim.
Link Posted: 12/13/2018 7:10:54 PM EST
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They are still black and white in my AO.
Both local pd and state troopers.

Our cops also wear cowboy hats.
Link Posted: 12/13/2018 7:19:28 PM EST
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Because you can buy fancy sticker a lot cheaper the a 2 color paint job.
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Cost, even though they could get reflective decals or wraps.
Link Posted: 12/13/2018 10:42:58 PM EST
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They do, if for no other reason than tradition.

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Link Posted: 12/13/2018 10:46:08 PM EST
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Okay, find me a 4-door sedan that allows more then you lunchbox in the trunk.
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And two guys in the front, with a computer and controls between the front seats and a partition behind the seats and allow it to be not only somewhat comfortable but also safe if the airbags go off.

J-
Link Posted: 12/13/2018 10:50:12 PM EST
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MSP claims that the gumball is actually more aerodynamic and as a result doesn't cost them as much fuel efficiency or top speed as a regular lightbar.

I'm somewhat suspicious that whatever study they cite for their source predates modern low-profile LED lightbars, but that's what they claim.
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They probably cite their own study since they conduct the yearly study of patrol vehicles that pretty much every other agency in the nation use for purchasing and the automakers use to come up with new trends in patrol cars. That said about 99% of the stuff that MSP does is out of tradition and no other reason,

J-
Link Posted: 12/14/2018 7:23:33 AM EST
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They probably cite their own study since they conduct the yearly study of patrol vehicles that pretty much every other agency in the nation use for purchasing and the automakers use to come up with new trends in patrol cars. That said about 99% of the stuff that MSP does is out of tradition and no other reason,

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MSP claims that the gumball is actually more aerodynamic and as a result doesn't cost them as much fuel efficiency or top speed as a regular lightbar.

I'm somewhat suspicious that whatever study they cite for their source predates modern low-profile LED lightbars, but that's what they claim.
They probably cite their own study since they conduct the yearly study of patrol vehicles that pretty much every other agency in the nation use for purchasing and the automakers use to come up with new trends in patrol cars. That said about 99% of the stuff that MSP does is out of tradition and no other reason,

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The police have investigated themselves and found that their light is the best.
Link Posted: 12/14/2018 7:28:01 AM EST
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They are fuck ugly, but I do respect the tradition.  
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I might bet trashed (wouldn't be the first time ) but I think the Michigan State Police car is badass.

https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8247/8489849347_2315d7c67d_b.jpg
The Shark Fin ia stupid. The Bubble Light is cool.
I think they might still light up!!!

https://img.gta5-mods.com/q75/images/michigan-state-police-cvpi/e44f47-2015-11-25_00001.jpg
They are fuck ugly, but I do respect the tradition.  
Not bad!!!

Link Posted: 12/14/2018 7:30:00 AM EST
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I might bet trashed (wouldn't be the first time ) but I think the Michigan State Police car is badass.

https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8247/8489849347_2315d7c67d_b.jpg
I wonder what that gumball costs in terms of MPG and tops speed.
I have read the opposite......it creates less wind drag then the bar lights.
Link Posted: 12/14/2018 7:33:25 AM EST
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The NSP has also added some light colored stripes to the rear bumper to add to their visibility on the side of the road.  And their black cars look a lot sharper than their old white color scheme.

ETA:  Omaha PD still has black and whites.
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The NSP has also added some light colored stripes to the rear bumper to add to their visibility on the side of the road.  And their black cars look a lot sharper than their old white color scheme.

ETA:  Omaha PD still has black and whites.
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The NSP has also added some light colored stripes to the rear bumper to add to their visibility on the side of the road.  And their black cars look a lot sharper than their old white color scheme.

ETA:  Omaha PD still has black and whites.
https://www.AR15.Com/media/mediaFiles/66085/index_jpg-771605.JPG
I likey!!!
Link Posted: 12/14/2018 7:45:58 AM EST
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In the 90's, manufacturers of police package vehicles stopped offering cars in multi colors. It was a cost cutting measure. Some agencies held fast to tradition and opted to go the extra expense and have the multi color paint done after market. Other's simply changed their traditional looks and added stripping decals. These days, decals and wrapping have replaced the after market painting. Our largest local agency has never strayed from their black and white design. However, their cars come all black and they wrap the white.

Short answer is that solid colors are less expensive.

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I may be full of shit, but I did manage a PD fleet of over 50 vehicles for a few years in the early 2000's.
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You aren't full of shit at all. In fact, you are exactly right.

Back in the nineties I was the commercial and fleet leasing manager for a large Ford dealer. We sold a lot of CVPIs, and many local agencies were pissed when certain paint choices became an option.

It also surprised me how much it actually cost to put a new cruiser on the road. Radio, PA, light bar, push bar, cage, gun rack or locker, decals, spot lights, ruggedized laptop and mount ... It's far worse today.
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