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Posted: 12/4/2018 9:39:11 PM EDT

What made them more appealing then say a standard m4 with some upgrading?

Posted: 12/4/2018 9:42:19 PM EDT

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They has to be special. That is why they are called special forces.

Posted: 12/4/2018 9:42:35 PM EDT

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It says HK on the side.

Source: I made that up.

Posted: 12/4/2018 9:43:01 PM EDT

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Book deal sponsorship for later.

Posted: 12/4/2018 9:43:51 PM EDT

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The Hi-point C9 had a backlog.

Posted: 12/4/2018 9:44:18 PM EDT

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Because when it comes down to it, HK specializes in making wartime goodies, and their products, while expensive, just work.
If I was about to get into something serious, an HK is what I would trust.

Posted: 12/4/2018 9:44:24 PM EDT

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Woodland, mulitcam, woodland

Options are nice.

Posted: 12/4/2018 9:46:14 PM EDT

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Junk.

Rangers and M14s FTMFW.

Posted: 12/4/2018 9:47:10 PM EDT

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There's a bit of an art to getting a short barreled, suppressed AR15 running right. Buffer weights, gas port sizes, ejection pressure curves, etc etc.
We have that shit ironed out now, in 2018.

Back in the day, that wasn't the case. So the H&K 416 was selected- short barreled suppressed performance.
The heavy free floated barrel didn't hurt, either.

Posted: 12/4/2018 9:47:26 PM EDT

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Did they officially chose it? I would suspect that their arms room contains many many weapons and the HK416 happens to be one of many in there that they regularly use. I would be a bit surprised if every SEAL on every SEAL team always carries a 416 on every mission.

Posted: 12/4/2018 9:48:27 PM EDT

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Because when it comes down to it, HK specializes in making wartime goodies, and their products, while expensive, just work.
If I was about to get into something serious, an HK is what I would trust.

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It's just another brand. Many small arms manufacturers produce military arms that just work.

Posted: 12/4/2018 9:49:04 PM EDT

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In 2010 the SEAL's I was around had MK18's and SPR style rifles. All suppressed. No 416's.

Posted: 12/4/2018 9:49:51 PM EDT

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What made them more appealing then say a standard m4 with some upgrading?

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Its the sexy black satin finish on the receiver, it accents their hair gel.

Posted: 12/4/2018 9:51:29 PM EDT

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Probably a high ranking retired admiral that gets paid shit loads of money for consulting.

Posted: 12/4/2018 9:53:21 PM EDT

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Its the sexy black satin finish on the receiver, it accents their hair gel.

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What made them more appealing then say a standard m4 with some upgrading?

Its the sexy black satin finish on the receiver, it accents their hair gel.

The HK sheen?

Posted: 12/4/2018 9:53:51 PM EDT

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They wanted to get away from the sheen era

Posted: 12/4/2018 9:55:16 PM EDT

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Reliability while suppressed. Turned out that it had durability issues down the line though.

Buddy of mine is ATF SRT and they loved theirs, for a while, but they apparently haven’t aged well

Posted: 12/4/2018 9:55:34 PM EDT

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Because the SCAR had not been perfected yet.

Posted: 12/4/2018 9:55:46 PM EDT

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They really just wanted to butthurt the DI fanbois here.

Mission completed, Sir.

Posted: 12/4/2018 9:57:20 PM EDT

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Did they officially chose it? I would suspect that their arms room contains many many weapons and the HK416 happens to be one of many in there that they regularly use. I would be a bit surprised if every SEAL on every SEAL team always carries a 416 on every mission.

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They have a cage with the stuff they want and usually use. They get different stuff pretty quickly and easily, within reason.
My buddy trained a lot with the 416 but he had a colt m-4 as well and a SIG pistol
what did he frequently carry ? MP-5
he was attached or assigned to the "teams" his usual job was as a naval aviator

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Posted: 12/4/2018 9:58:43 PM EDT

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My understanding is that JSOC requested the development of and then bought HK416s forever ago, before the MK18 was really a thing, and that they're the only ones in SOCOM who use it. The rest of SOCOM uses M4s and MK18s.

Posted: 12/4/2018 9:59:06 PM EDT

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Because the SCAR had not been perfected yet.

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Is that why no one is using the SCAR in 5.56?

Posted: 12/4/2018 9:59:40 PM EDT

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Its the sexy black satin finish on the receiver, it accents their hair gel.

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What made them more appealing then say a standard m4 with some upgrading?

Its the sexy black satin finish on the receiver, it accents their hair gel.

Posted: 12/4/2018 10:00:27 PM EDT

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Because they hadn’t trialed the XCR yet

Posted: 12/4/2018 10:00:51 PM EDT

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416s used to show up more in DEVGRU vs. regular SEAL teams.

Posted: 12/4/2018 10:02:30 PM EDT

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PSA Daily Deals weren't a thing yet

or

They really wanted a KAC SR-15 but couldn't afford it

Posted: 12/4/2018 10:03:53 PM EDT

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It has a secret hair gel dispenser in the butt stock. Most people don't know that. People like you for example.

Posted: 12/4/2018 10:04:46 PM EDT

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Phaggotry.

Posted: 12/4/2018 10:10:19 PM EDT

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While in the Army, running a consolidated arms room at one of my duty stations, we had a group that kept their rifles in my arms room that had 416 uppers. At first they had 20, but then they had a guy come back from deployment and then they had 21 stored there. Well they didn't have a third rack, so I locked it up for them in one of my racks. Not exactly kosher, but better option than leaving it unsecured in the arms room until we could get them a third rack. One day they went to the range, came back and needed to store their weapons and leave, planning to come back and clean them another time. Before I locked up and left, I couldn't help but pull down that rifle and just take a look at it. I thought it was damn nice, and most impressive to me was how squeaky clean the action still looked after a day at the range.

Posted: 12/4/2018 10:11:53 PM EDT

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sr15 mod 2 didnt exist yet

Posted: 12/4/2018 10:15:02 PM EDT

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and their products, while expensive, just work.

HK is what I would trust.

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This post melted my trunnion.

Posted: 12/4/2018 10:33:33 PM EDT

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They saw that HK video of the guy coming out of the water all SEAL like...

Posted: 12/4/2018 10:39:14 PM EDT

[#32]

They’re heavy enough for the SEALS to get a workout in between gym sessions.

Posted: 12/4/2018 10:44:23 PM EDT

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In the last year as part of my job I have observed two east coast ST's doing weapons work ups immediately prior to deployment (24-48hrs prior) doing zero checks, battery changes on optics and last minute gear checks...I observed a grand total of zero H&K 416s present. Lots of Colt M4 lowers coupled to almost exclusively DD uppers.

Posted: 12/4/2018 10:46:00 PM EDT

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Thought the team guys hated the 416

Posted: 12/4/2018 10:47:23 PM EDT

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They hate the SCAR WORSE.

Posted: 12/4/2018 10:50:26 PM EDT

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It says HK on the side.

Source: I made that up.

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The roll mark means everything as far as quality goes.

If two lowers come off the assembly line one after the other, and one gets stamped with an economy logo and the other a name brand, the second one becomes tier one SEAL grade kit immediately!

Posted: 12/4/2018 10:54:00 PM EDT

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They hate the SCAR WORSE.

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Thought the team guys hated the 416

They hate the SCAR WORSE.

Was it the SCAR I’m thinking of? There was a thread about one of the rifles last week I believe.

Posted: 12/4/2018 10:54:26 PM EDT

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They're spending taxpayer money so they can afford it.

Posted: 12/4/2018 10:56:11 PM EDT

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Fake news

Posted: 12/4/2018 10:57:47 PM EDT

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Did one a y’all put Joglee up to this?

Posted: 12/4/2018 11:00:24 PM EDT

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Because its a piston gun! Let the triggering begin.

Posted: 12/4/2018 11:00:47 PM EDT

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It's just another brand. Many small arms manufacturers produce military arms that just work.

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Because when it comes down to it, HK specializes in making wartime goodies, and their products, while expensive, just work.
If I was about to get into something serious, an HK is what I would trust.

It's just another brand. Many small arms manufacturers produce military arms that just work.

That's true, that being said...

I've had Glocks malfunction on me(actually not firing), I've had Ruger revolvers go out of timing with heavy use, I've had Bushmasters and Colts malfunction, yet I have never experienced a malfunction with an HK.
I imagine some people here have, and the internet will tell me people have.
But based on my own experience, and their designs and building process, I just trust HK.

Posted: 12/4/2018 11:16:51 PM EDT

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Lol at all the people who are arguing what gun the seals love more.

Pretty sure were the only ones who actually care, I imagine for them it's much more of a "hey give me that gun over there and my hair gel and lets go scalp some baddies"

Posted: 12/4/2018 11:23:51 PM EDT

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I haven’t seen a good answer on this, but I probably could have looked harder: did they really get rid of bolt carrier tilt on the 416? If so, how?

Posted: 12/4/2018 11:26:01 PM EDT

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Lol at all the people who are arguing what gun the seals love more.

Pretty sure were the only ones who actually care, I imagine for them it's much more of a "hey give me that gun over there and my hair gel and lets go scalp some baddies"

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Every SEAL I talked to had an opinion about their weapons, optics, and other pieces of equipment. At the time they were all about Eotech 553's and MK18's.

Posted: 12/4/2018 11:26:33 PM EDT

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Firing an M4 with water that hasn’t fully drained out of the gas tube can potentially rupture the tube. The piston does not have this issue, and functions just fine with some water in it. Same reasoning behind why dive and maritime teams like the roller-lock recoil operated MP5. Or so a guy who actually knows his shit told me. Additionally, the SEALS just plain like sexy shit, though the regular seals still get DI M4’s like everyone else in SOCOM.

Maritime cups in the Glock also are designed to facilitate water draining out of the firing pin channel (they don’t enhance underwater firing like popular mythology states).