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Posted: 9/15/2024 8:23:06 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I absolutely hated the paddle release on the HK USP I owned. What a horrible design. Using a high hand hold, my middle finger got in the way of activating the mag release. I see why HK thought it was a good idea to put indentations on the base of the grip so you could tear the magazine out. The USP 45 is one of the few guns I don't regret trading off, years ago. I have never considered buying another one. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/41568/USP_45_jpg-3322914.JPG LOL, you can use the the finger you are saying is " in the way" to push the paddle. |
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Posted: 9/15/2024 8:30:45 AM EST
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Quoted: Everyone knows the HK paddle mag release is one of God's gifts too the world. Yet almost nobody even copies one. Ive heard Walther does....But ive never actually seen one in the wild. I don't have small hands but on most handguns I need to shift my grip to hit the mag release on most of these things. WTF gives? Does anyone actually shoot their guns? or Try to do a rapid mag change. I just don't understand.... I wan't to buy a pistol other than an HK but why even bother with such a disgusting mag release. Guess that makes me an HK "fanboi" ....such a low bar, they came out with the paddle mag release in what the 80's? And nobody else uses it? Gun companies are a joke. It sounds like you need to practice what you preach and maybe train, even a little bit. |
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Posted: 9/15/2024 8:33:51 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: LOL, you can use the the finger you are saying is " in the way" to push the paddle. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I absolutely hated the paddle release on the HK USP I owned. What a horrible design. Using a high hand hold, my middle finger got in the way of activating the mag release. I see why HK thought it was a good idea to put indentations on the base of the grip so you could tear the magazine out. The USP 45 is one of the few guns I don't regret trading off, years ago. I have never considered buying another one. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/41568/USP_45_jpg-3322914.JPG LOL, you can use the the finger you are saying is " in the way" to push the paddle. How about just no. |
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Posted: 9/15/2024 8:36:58 AM EST
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Quoted: Everyone knows the HK paddle mag release is one of God's gifts too the world. Yet almost nobody even copies one. Ive heard Walther does....But ive never actually seen one in the wild. I don't have small hands but on most handguns I need to shift my grip to hit the mag release on most of these things. WTF gives? Does anyone actually shoot their guns? or Try to do a rapid mag change. I just don't understand.... I wan't to buy a pistol other than an HK but why even bother with such a disgusting mag release. Guess that makes me an HK "fanboi" ....such a low bar, they came out with the paddle mag release in what the 80's? And nobody else uses it? Gun companies are a joke. It's so great and the best that no one else does it, lmao. How many hk pistols are used in ipsc or uspsa or 3 gun? I hear they do some quick mag changes, quick, someone should let them know their shits inferior. |
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Posted: 9/15/2024 8:48:19 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's significantly slower, and isn't Ambidextrous. |
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Posted: 9/15/2024 8:50:26 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I couldn't care less about it being ambidextrous as I am only right handed and it's my gun. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: It's significantly slower, and isn't Ambidextrous. You’ve only got one hand? |
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Posted: 9/15/2024 8:51:31 AM EST
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Posted: 9/15/2024 8:55:12 AM EST
[#8]
OP preaching truths over here.
Walther USED TO be all about paddles like HK, and their P99/PPQ paddles were actually better. Then they went gay and started fucking up. |
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Posted: 9/15/2024 9:01:35 AM EST
[#9]
The paddle release is superior, ya got that right.
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Posted: 9/15/2024 9:10:36 AM EST
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Posted: 9/15/2024 9:18:29 AM EST
[#11]
Is it weird that I'm right handed and depress the right side paddle of the HK mag release with the middle finger of my right hand? I feel like that's how everybody would feel most comfortable doing it.
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Posted: 9/15/2024 9:20:14 AM EST
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I've had a lot of Walthers and HKs and like that style of mag release.
But now, I'm big into 2011s so I've become used to that style. It's kind of "whatever" at this point. |
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Posted: 9/15/2024 9:42:18 AM EST
[#13]
Grow longer thumbs? It’s quicker to reposition a thumb than your middle finger? Who is breaking their grip to press the mag release?
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Posted: 9/15/2024 10:02:07 AM EST
[#14]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Is it weird that I'm right handed and depress the right side paddle of the HK mag release with the middle finger of my right hand? I feel like that's how everybody would feel most comfortable doing it. That's how I've been doing it for 25 years. A previous poster said his middle finger was " in the way". |
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Posted: 9/15/2024 10:05:15 AM EST
[#15]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It's significantly slower, and isn't Ambidextrous. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I have a button on two of my guns and I don’t shift my grip at all to depress it. The paddle release is cool and I had it on a Walter. But it’s not some requirement for a fast and efficient reload. It's significantly slower, and isn't Ambidextrous. It's not, you just suck. |
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Posted: 9/15/2024 10:14:05 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You’ve only got one hand? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: It's significantly slower, and isn't Ambidextrous. You’ve only got one hand? You can't hit a mag release with your index finger? Isn't that what you guys are advocating for with the paddle release? |
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Posted: 9/15/2024 10:23:57 AM EST
[#17]
Quote HistoryQuoted: That’s a holster problem, not a mag release button problem. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Forget about all that, how about how vulnerable a button release is to getting hit unintentionally? I've found my mag ejected multiple times in the holster. Now I'm paranoid about it and periodically check it. That's a better argument for a paddle release than any concerns about user intentional manipulation. That’s a holster problem, not a mag release button problem. Maybe, but which is easier to activate unintentionally? There are plenty of stories of AR mags getting ejected by something bumping the button. There are plenty of stories of LE using a quality retention holster losing their mags. What's the downside to reducing the chance of having a problem you don't discover until it could kill you? |
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Posted: 9/15/2024 10:34:58 AM EST
[#18]
Either way is fine. Though I have stumbled on a Glock after using a paddle for a bit.
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Posted: 9/15/2024 11:43:41 AM EST
[#19]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You can't hit a mag release with your index finger? Isn't that what you guys are advocating for with the paddle release? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: It's significantly slower, and isn't Ambidextrous. You’ve only got one hand? You can't hit a mag release with your index finger? Isn't that what you guys are advocating for with the paddle release? No, that would be awkward as heck. |
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Posted: 9/15/2024 11:45:51 AM EST
[#20]
Quote HistoryQuoted: That's how I've been doing it for 25 years. A previous poster said his middle finger was " in the way". Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Is it weird that I'm right handed and depress the right side paddle of the HK mag release with the middle finger of my right hand? I feel like that's how everybody would feel most comfortable doing it. That's how I've been doing it for 25 years. A previous poster said his middle finger was " in the way". Crazy, he's doing it very wrong. He must be trying to use his thumb to press down on the left side paddle. The problem there is that he refuses to adapt himself to the better system and is holding tight to his push button mag release methodology. |
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Posted: 9/15/2024 11:58:02 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: OP, are you Jared Goff? https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/240289/IMG_7758_jpeg-3322712.JPG The paddles are not good. The VP9 are especially bad because they don’t always sit flush to the trigger guard and can poke your finger: https://i.postimg.cc/FRMdjB1j/IMG-2774.jpg Buttons are best and if you’re a lefty, many allow for swapping over to the other side. If you’re going to tout the one in a billion chance that you get into a gunfight where you lose the use of your right hand and need to reload, you’re living in a world of make believe and picked the wrong fight. You're sticking your finger through too far, you've got to be centered on the trigger with your first knuckle to be hitting the mag release like that. |
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Posted: 9/15/2024 12:23:37 PM EST
[#22]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Maybe, but which is easier to activate unintentionally? There are plenty of stories of AR mags getting ejected by something bumping the button. There are plenty of stories of LE using a quality retention holster losing their mags. What's the downside to reducing the chance of having a problem you don't discover until it could kill you? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Forget about all that, how about how vulnerable a button release is to getting hit unintentionally? I've found my mag ejected multiple times in the holster. Now I'm paranoid about it and periodically check it. That's a better argument for a paddle release than any concerns about user intentional manipulation. That's a holster problem, not a mag release button problem. Maybe, but which is easier to activate unintentionally? There are plenty of stories of AR mags getting ejected by something bumping the button. There are plenty of stories of LE using a quality retention holster losing their mags. What's the downside to reducing the chance of having a problem you don't discover until it could kill you? |
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Posted: 9/15/2024 12:26:03 PM EST
[#23]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It's significantly slower, and isn't Ambidextrous. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I have a button on two of my guns and I don’t shift my grip at all to depress it. The paddle release is cool and I had it on a Walter. But it’s not some requirement for a fast and efficient reload. It's significantly slower, and isn't Ambidextrous. I have pistols from two different makers with ambi button realeases. Not saying it's common but it's a thing. |
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Posted: 9/15/2024 12:27:14 PM EST
[#24]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I carry a reload, not because I envision an extended shootout with the local cartel, but because malfunctions happen. And many malfunctions are mag related. |
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Posted: 9/15/2024 12:27:25 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Maybe, but which is easier to activate unintentionally? There are plenty of stories of AR mags getting ejected by something bumping the button. There are plenty of stories of LE using a quality retention holster losing their mags. What's the downside to reducing the chance of having a problem you don't discover until it could kill you? Train with whatever you use and it’s a non-issue. |
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Posted: 9/15/2024 12:31:30 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's your funeral pal. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I don't carry spare pistol mags. With my carry p365 I'm going to use my 12 rounds to create the opportunity to GTFO of whatever bad place I'm in. With the 92fs in my nightstand if 17 rounds isn't enough I'm going to use it to get to my closet and pick up my loaded 30rd AR. I just don't see pistol reloads as something I'm likely to do, so I don't prioritize making it faster. It's your funeral pal. He died doing what he loved. Being unprepared for the worst bad time. |
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Posted: 9/15/2024 12:44:58 PM EST
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As someone who has all the generations of Walther's plastic guns and who has owned and a USP and a Mk 23, the difference in paddle vs button reloads seem negligible to me.
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Posted: 9/15/2024 12:53:22 PM EST
[#28]
I much prefer the HK release mechanism. I use my index finger on the right hand side.
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Posted: 9/15/2024 12:59:02 PM EST
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I am a fan of the HK mag release  it is the ONLY thing i like about the USPc |
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Posted: 9/15/2024 1:01:41 PM EST
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: My first pistol was a USP so that's how I learned. Nowadays with configurable releases, I move the mag release to the right side and use my middle finger as it feels more natural and the motion is mechanically identical to a HK paddle release for me. when my duty weapon (16 years )?was a USPc, I was not allowed to carry it off duty, and I did not want to anyway, too big and clunky, so i put the mag release on the right side of a glock for the same reason to be consistent in habits. |
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Posted: 9/15/2024 1:12:51 PM EST
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: OP, are you Jared Goff? https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/240289/IMG_7758_jpeg-3322712.JPG The paddles are not good. The VP9 are especially bad because they don’t always sit flush to the trigger guard and can poke your finger: https://i.postimg.cc/FRMdjB1j/IMG-2774.jpg Buttons are best and if you’re a lefty, many allow for swapping over to the other side. If you’re going to tout the one in a billion chance that you get into a gunfight where you lose the use of your right hand and need to reload, you’re living in a world of make believe and picked the wrong fight. Agreed on the paddle irritating the trigger finger. I found that removing one side of the mag release was easy. Problem solved. As for lefties, I've swapped a few buttons over to the other side. Swapped 'em back. My thumb isn't long enough to properly reach the button on most pistols. Whereas if the button is on the left side then there's never a problem pressing it with the middle finger of my left hand. |
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Posted: 9/15/2024 1:14:56 PM EST
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Ah, you must carry a 1911. Makes sense! Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I carry a reload, not because I envision an extended shootout with the local cartel, but because malfunctions happen. And many malfunctions are mag related. |
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Posted: 9/15/2024 1:20:32 PM EST
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't think u understand what ambidextrous actually means. It takes time and usually tools and disassemby to "switch" that's a "conversion" But, That's ok I am merely spreading the good word of HK. It's your funeral FYI.....most modern hand guns do have ambi mag releases. And like anything.....if you actually practice doing mag changes, you'll get pretty fast. Which makes me wonder......how come 99.9% of competitive shooters aren't using HK ??? Glock, CZ, Staccato, SIG, 1911's, 2011's.....Hell, even Springfield and CANIK are more popular than any HK. OP......your rant is . Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Everyone knows the HK paddle mag release is one of God's gifts too the world. Yet almost nobody even copies one. Ive heard Walther does....But ive never actually seen one in the wild. I don't have small hands but on most handguns I need to shift my grip to hit the mag release on most of these things. WTF gives? Does anyone actually shoot their guns? or Try to do a rapid mag change. I just don't understand.... I wan't to buy a pistol other than an HK but why even bother with such a disgusting mag release. Guess that makes me an HK "fanboi" ....such a low bar, they came out with the paddle mag release in what the 80's? And nobody else uses it? Gun companies are a joke. I don't think u understand what ambidextrous actually means. It takes time and usually tools and disassemby to "switch" that's a "conversion" But, That's ok I am merely spreading the good word of HK. It's your funeral Quoted: It's significantly slower, and isn't Ambidextrous. FYI.....most modern hand guns do have ambi mag releases. And like anything.....if you actually practice doing mag changes, you'll get pretty fast. Which makes me wonder......how come 99.9% of competitive shooters aren't using HK ??? Glock, CZ, Staccato, SIG, 1911's, 2011's.....Hell, even Springfield and CANIK are more popular than any HK. OP......your rant is . |
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Posted: 9/15/2024 1:27:19 PM EST
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Train with whatever you use and it's a non-issue. |
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Posted: 9/15/2024 1:35:52 PM EST
[#35]
Quote HistoryQuoted: True But As a Freedom loving American I appreciate improvements in life. Just like Electricity, Running water, and Air conditioning improves lives. So does the Paddle mag release. I know most most people on here are stuck living in the old ways, believing an M1 or M14 is a superior rifle to the AR-15. But it does not make it so, the Paddle mag release is an improvement over the button. |
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Posted: 9/15/2024 5:02:15 PM EST
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You're sticking your finger through too far, you've got to be centered on the trigger with your first knuckle to be hitting the mag release like that. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: OP, are you Jared Goff? https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/240289/IMG_7758_jpeg-3322712.JPG The paddles are not good. The VP9 are especially bad because they don’t always sit flush to the trigger guard and can poke your finger: https://i.postimg.cc/FRMdjB1j/IMG-2774.jpg Buttons are best and if you’re a lefty, many allow for swapping over to the other side. If you’re going to tout the one in a billion chance that you get into a gunfight where you lose the use of your right hand and need to reload, you’re living in a world of make believe and picked the wrong fight. You're sticking your finger through too far, you've got to be centered on the trigger with your first knuckle to be hitting the mag release like that. So I’m guessing you’re one of the “first distal pad” cultists (based on your post and join date)? Know what that looks like with man sized hands?  Yeah, that’s not at all comfortable, nor is it at all necessary. In short, the problem isn’t with how I place my trigger finger. It’s a problem with the paddles. |
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Posted: 9/15/2024 5:02:39 PM EST
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You're sticking your finger through too far, you've got to be centered on the trigger with your first knuckle to be hitting the mag release like that. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: OP, are you Jared Goff? https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/240289/IMG_7758_jpeg-3322712.JPG The paddles are not good. The VP9 are especially bad because they don’t always sit flush to the trigger guard and can poke your finger: https://i.postimg.cc/FRMdjB1j/IMG-2774.jpg Buttons are best and if you’re a lefty, many allow for swapping over to the other side. If you’re going to tout the one in a billion chance that you get into a gunfight where you lose the use of your right hand and need to reload, you’re living in a world of make believe and picked the wrong fight. You're sticking your finger through too far, you've got to be centered on the trigger with your first knuckle to be hitting the mag release like that. So I’m guessing you’re one of the “first distal pad” cultists (based on your post and join date)? Know what that looks like with man sized hands? Yeah, that’s not at all comfortable, nor is it at all necessary. In short, the problem isn’t with how I place my trigger finger. It’s a problem with the paddles. |
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Posted: 9/15/2024 5:11:56 PM EST
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It's significantly slower, and isn't Ambidextrous. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The paddle release is cool and I had it on a Walter. It's significantly slower, and isn't Ambidextrous. ^ never owned a USP  |
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Posted: 9/15/2024 5:19:16 PM EST
[#39]
I also much prefer the HK mag release.+
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Posted: 9/15/2024 5:24:17 PM EST
[#40]
I have both, prefer the HK paddle.
I can't even fathom how bad of a shooter you must be if you can't shoot a pistol because of the paddle release. |
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Posted: 9/15/2024 5:26:21 PM EST
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So I’m guessing you’re one of the “first distal pad” cultists (based on your post and join date)? Know what that looks like with man sized hands? https://i.postimg.cc/9031ZNVT/IMG-2780.jpg Yeah, that’s not at all comfortable, nor is it at all necessary. In short, the problem isn’t with how I place my trigger finger. It’s a problem with the paddles. Do you live at the top of a bean stalk? |
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Posted: 9/15/2024 6:00:39 PM EST
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So I’m guessing you’re one of the “first distal pad” cultists (based on your post and join date)? Know what that looks like with man sized hands? https://i.postimg.cc/9031ZNVT/IMG-2780.jpg Yeah, that’s not at all comfortable, nor is it at all necessary. In short, the problem isn’t with how I place my trigger finger. It’s a problem with the paddles. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: OP, are you Jared Goff? https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/240289/IMG_7758_jpeg-3322712.JPG The paddles are not good. The VP9 are especially bad because they don’t always sit flush to the trigger guard and can poke your finger: https://i.postimg.cc/FRMdjB1j/IMG-2774.jpg Buttons are best and if you’re a lefty, many allow for swapping over to the other side. If you’re going to tout the one in a billion chance that you get into a gunfight where you lose the use of your right hand and need to reload, you’re living in a world of make believe and picked the wrong fight. You're sticking your finger through too far, you've got to be centered on the trigger with your first knuckle to be hitting the mag release like that. So I’m guessing you’re one of the “first distal pad” cultists (based on your post and join date)? Know what that looks like with man sized hands? https://i.postimg.cc/9031ZNVT/IMG-2780.jpg Yeah, that’s not at all comfortable, nor is it at all necessary. In short, the problem isn’t with how I place my trigger finger. It’s a problem with the paddles. Had to go and take some comparison pictures. You may very well have a valid concern as your index finger looks longer than mine. Though I can also make contact with the left side paddle if I'm centered on the trigger at my first knuckle. Now no one has ever thought I had small hands, but they might be in comparison to yours.       
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Posted: 9/15/2024 6:58:57 PM EST
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: True But As a Freedom loving American I appreciate improvements in life. Just like Electricity, Running water, and Air conditioning improves lives. So does the Paddle mag release. I know most most people on here are stuck living in the old ways, believing an M1 or M14 is a superior rifle to the AR-15. But it does not make it so, the Paddle mag release is an improvement over the button. What do competition shooters use? Their equipment is the benchmark for speed and efficiency. |
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Posted: 9/15/2024 7:01:37 PM EST
[#44]
Dang your picky. You would probably whine about the heel release on a makarov.
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Posted: 9/15/2024 7:22:58 PM EST
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: We should go back to heel mag releases and fixed mags if you're so concerned with accidental mag drops. Or (gasp!) revolvers. Or just use a better mag release design that allows quick mag changes with either hand with the same motions from either side and less chance of unintentional release. Other than "I'm not used to it" I've yet to hear a serious argument against paddles on their merits. I don't really have a dog in this fight, I'm a revolver fudd. But if I were to get a bottom feeder, paddles are a big selling point. |
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Posted: 9/15/2024 7:30:50 PM EST
[#46]
I just wish my 1st gen S&W Bodyguard 380 had a heel release. I hate that button on a pocket pistol.
Stats say a real world fight is over in three rounds anyway. |
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Posted: 9/16/2024 5:11:26 AM EST
[#47]
I don't mind the button at all, but the Hk paddle is superior. Most people that don't like it use their thumb to activate it. Your trigger finger is much faster and easier to use.
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Posted: 9/16/2024 5:32:37 AM EST
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Have a Walther PPQ with the paddle and it's actually better than HKs design because it is longer. My wife stole it as it's her favorite 'fun' pistol. I too wish they were more common but I don't shun guns with button releases because it works fine as well. This. P99AS did it right. The HK USP version was okay, the P30 and VP9 version sucked since they would pinch your finger or get caught on gloves. It’s a true ambi mag catch that doesn’t have the potential to be disengaged by accident when holstered. It is, objectively, a better design than the button style. But it never caught on here. For the neanderthals on here, you hit it with the trigger or middle finger of your dominant hand, so it works without breaking grip for everyone except andre the giant or johnny bench. |
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Posted: 9/16/2024 5:42:13 AM EST
[#49]
USP / VP9 Fanboi checking in.
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Posted: 9/16/2024 5:53:36 AM EST
[#50]
I have a good number of handguns.
They're ALL master race. |
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