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Posted: 6/28/2014 6:47:18 AM EST
The cost savings would be huge I'd think.
And after shooting surplus commie ammo for over 20 years without issue why use brass? 
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Posted: 6/28/2014 6:50:15 AM EST
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We still use steel in some of the larger calibers.
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Posted: 6/28/2014 6:50:47 AM EST
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The shell casings will rust on the battlefield, the rust will leach into the ground, it might possibly inadvertently kill some obscure wildlife creature...that ain't Green.
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Posted: 6/28/2014 6:51:32 AM EST
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Brass is shinier.
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Posted: 6/28/2014 6:55:50 AM EST
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The shell casings will rust on the battlefield, the rust will leach into the ground, it might possibly inadvertently kill some obscure wildlife creature...that ain't Green. Ouch good point!
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Posted: 6/28/2014 6:58:35 AM EST
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You do know we recycle our brass don't you?
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Posted: 6/28/2014 7:00:07 AM EST
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You do know we recycle our brass don't you? As in reload? No I honestly didn't. |
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Posted: 6/28/2014 7:02:02 AM EST
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You do know we recycle our brass don't you? Never seen re-man or reloaded ammo in inventory. Do tell us more..... |
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Posted: 6/28/2014 7:04:42 AM EST
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Never seen re-man or reloaded ammo in inventory. Do tell us more..... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You do know we recycle our brass don't you? Never seen re-man or reloaded ammo in inventory. Do tell us more..... I believe it gets melted down...think recycled aluminum cans. |
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Posted: 6/28/2014 7:04:43 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: As in reload? No I honestly didn't. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: You do know we recycle our brass don't you? As in reload? No I honestly didn't. Sell it, not reload it.
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Posted: 6/28/2014 7:05:12 AM EST
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Never seen re-man or reloaded ammo in inventory. Do tell us more..... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You do know we recycle our brass don't you? Never seen re-man or reloaded ammo in inventory. Do tell us more..... As in sell it. Not reload it. I fucking second! |
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Posted: 6/28/2014 7:05:37 AM EST
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Brass looks like gold
Our military is just redistributing the wealth. |
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Posted: 6/28/2014 7:08:25 AM EST
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It would make it too easy on privates when it comes to policing up a range after shooting all day, they could just use a magnet on wheels and not have to scrounge around on their hands and knees
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Posted: 6/28/2014 7:08:47 AM EST
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Steel can be recycled as well, and you can pick it up with a magnet, no need to bend over
ETA I see I was beaten why several seconds 
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Posted: 6/28/2014 7:10:08 AM EST
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We did. In WWII steel cased 45 and 30 carb were produced
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Posted: 6/28/2014 7:10:25 AM EST
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because the gobernment doesn't care about cost savings
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Posted: 6/28/2014 7:11:11 AM EST
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It would make it too easy on privates when it comes to policing up a range after shooting all day, they could just use a magnet on wheels and not have to scrounge around on their hands and knees Sure, next thing you know, you're going to want to get rid of the floor buffers. |
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Posted: 6/28/2014 7:11:16 AM EST
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Steel can be recycled as well, and you can pick it up with a magnet, no need to bend over We have a saying in the Marine Corps. Lift with your LCpl and not with your back!
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Posted: 6/28/2014 7:12:38 AM EST
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They've used steel in the past. It's been a while since I've seen it, but a friend has some WWII M2 ball that IIRC was steel cased. I know for a fact steel cased .45 ACP was manufactured during WWII.
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Posted: 6/28/2014 7:13:03 AM EST
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Steel can be recycled as well, and you can pick it up with a magnet, no need to bend over We have a saying in the Marine Corps. Lift with your LCpl and not with your back! Lmao |
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Posted: 6/28/2014 7:19:04 AM EST
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They've used steel in the past. It's been a while since I've seen it, but a friend has some WWII M2 ball that IIRC was steel cased. I know for a fact steel cased .45 ACP was manufactured during WWII. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile I have some headstamped EC i think. but the AR chamber was designed for brass case, other rounds i have no idea. |
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Posted: 6/28/2014 7:22:36 AM EST
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On Fort Hood in the 80's we were on a life fire range shootin 20MM Vulcans. After a couple tracks had maneuvered downrange firing from several points, they turned around and came back to the starting point. A Humvee came up out of the impact area, in full view of all of us, and a couple guys jumped out and shoveled the brass into the back. After collecting several thousand rounds of spent 20MM they went back into the impact area. No one would follow them into there. We were shut down and could not fire on them, we asked to though. Later we were told that there were several HUMVEE S that were missing and presumed stolen. The belief was that the scavenger families that lived on the edges of post had the Hummvee s stashed in the Permanant no entry impact areas and that is who we watched take all that brass.
Without the US Army, those folks would have starved. 
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Posted: 6/28/2014 7:30:05 AM EST
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Commies used brass to, but I've had better luck with their steel cased.
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Posted: 6/28/2014 7:32:09 AM EST
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You do know we recycle our brass don't you? Never seen re-man or reloaded ammo in inventory. Do tell us more..... I believe it gets melted down...think recycled aluminum cans. well, in that case we could do the same with steel right? |
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Posted: 6/28/2014 7:32:59 AM EST
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give the e-1s a job. they all polish the brass
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Posted: 6/28/2014 7:33:36 AM EST
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well, in that case we could do the same with steel right? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You do know we recycle our brass don't you? Never seen re-man or reloaded ammo in inventory. Do tell us more..... I believe it gets melted down...think recycled aluminum cans. well, in that case we could do the same with steel right? Ain't brass worth more? |
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Posted: 6/28/2014 7:35:22 AM EST
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They've used steel in the past. It's been a while since I've seen it, but a friend has some WWII M2 ball that IIRC was steel cased. I know for a fact steel cased .45 ACP was manufactured during WWII. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Prior too. I've got steel cased 1918 dated .45acp. |
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Posted: 6/28/2014 7:38:28 AM EST
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We still use steel in some of the larger calibers. When I was in from 93-97 25mm was steel cased. |
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Posted: 6/28/2014 7:40:06 AM EST
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When I was in from 93-97 25mm was steel cased. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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We still use steel in some of the larger calibers. When I was in from 93-97 25mm was steel cased. 40mm is steel, 105 is brass |
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Posted: 6/28/2014 7:50:34 AM EST
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because the gobernment doesn't care about cost savings It's not real money if you didn't have to work for it. |
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Posted: 6/28/2014 8:04:49 AM EST
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Ain't brass worth more? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You do know we recycle our brass don't you? Never seen re-man or reloaded ammo in inventory. Do tell us more..... I believe it gets melted down...think recycled aluminum cans. well, in that case we could do the same with steel right? Ain't brass worth more? What's the cost difference in actual manufacturing (not including material costs)? Brass is softer and easier to work than steel, if the old brass is sold it could actually be cheaper to use brass than steel if the working costs are low enough. Also, at least some of the small arms brass is sold intact making it more valuable than scrap, this can't be done with steel due to it not being reloadable. |
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Posted: 6/28/2014 8:08:23 AM EST
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Commies used brass to, but I've had better luck with their steel cased. <a href="http://s57.photobucket.com/user/tom2147/media/polishammo.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g235/tom2147/polishammo.jpg</a> Is that Polish 7.62x25? If so mine looked exactly like that. In fact alot of them already had slight cracks in the neck before they were even shot off. All worked fine |
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Posted: 6/28/2014 8:15:50 AM EST
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Aluminum cases are the way to go.
They are: 1: Lighter than both steel and brass. 2: More brass-like in case behavior under pressure than steel, and thus a better replacement for brass than steel. 3: Cheaper finished product than brass or steel. 4: Not prone to rust like steel. 5: Easier to work than steel. |
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Posted: 6/28/2014 8:18:22 AM EST
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What's the cost difference in actual manufacturing (not including material costs)? Brass is softer and easier to work than steel, if the old brass is sold it could actually be cheaper to use brass than steel if the working costs are low enough. Also, at least some of the small arms brass is sold intact making it more valuable than scrap, this can't be done with steel due to it not being reloadable. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Never seen re-man or reloaded ammo in inventory. Do tell us more..... I believe it gets melted down...think recycled aluminum cans. well, in that case we could do the same with steel right? Ain't brass worth more? What's the cost difference in actual manufacturing (not including material costs)? Brass is softer and easier to work than steel, if the old brass is sold it could actually be cheaper to use brass than steel if the working costs are low enough. Also, at least some of the small arms brass is sold intact making it more valuable than scrap, this can't be done with steel due to it not being reloadable. Boxer primed steel cases would be easily reloadable. Though they probably wouldn't last nearly as long as brass... Or maybe they would, considering primer pocket life as a limiting factor. |
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Posted: 6/28/2014 8:18:36 AM EST
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Is that Polish 7.62x25? If so mine looked exactly like that. In fact alot of them already had slight cracks in the neck before they were even shot off. All worked fine Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Commies used brass to, but I've had better luck with their steel cased. <a href="http://s57.photobucket.com/user/tom2147/media/polishammo.jpg.html" target="_blank">http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g235/tom2147/polishammo.jpg</a> Is that Polish 7.62x25? If so mine looked exactly like that. In fact alot of them already had slight cracks in the neck before they were even shot off. All worked fine Sure is. |
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Posted: 6/28/2014 8:22:06 AM EST
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We still use steel in some of the larger calibers. When I was in from 93-97 25mm was steel cased. 40mm is steel, 105 is brass Older 05 is brass, newer ones are spun steel |
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Posted: 6/28/2014 8:25:01 AM EST
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weight.
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Posted: 6/28/2014 8:25:27 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You do know we recycle our brass don't you? You can recycle or re-use steel as well.
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Posted: 6/28/2014 8:36:51 AM EST
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You can recycle or re-use steel as well.
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You do know we recycle our brass don't you? You can recycle or re-use steel as well.
Steel rusts Brass just tarnishes |
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Posted: 6/28/2014 8:38:58 AM EST
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Boxer primed steel cases would be easily reloadable. Though they probably wouldn't last nearly as long as brass... Or maybe they would, considering primer pocket life as a limiting factor. I was under the impression that steel, being harder than brass, is much more likely to crack, even after a single firing. I don't think I could bring myself to trust steel reloads. |
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Posted: 6/28/2014 8:42:25 AM EST
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I would imagine it has something to do with headspace and timing, and the carbon deposits steel leaves in chambers.
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Posted: 6/28/2014 8:43:06 AM EST
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Not a single correct answer so far. I'm not going to type up the reasons on my cell phone. Meanwhile, I'll wait for the correct answers...
btw The WWII steel cased ammunition was for stateside use only... |
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Posted: 6/28/2014 8:44:53 AM EST
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Anaconda had really effective lobbyists
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Posted: 6/28/2014 8:45:41 AM EST
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Steel doesn't work at high pressures.
That's why it's only been used by the US on low pressure small arms ammo. Some of the bigger stuff uses more expensive allows than are used in small arms ammo. |
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Posted: 6/28/2014 8:47:03 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Never seen re-man or reloaded ammo in inventory. Do tell us more..... Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: You do know we recycle our brass don't you? Never seen re-man or reloaded ammo in inventory. Do tell us more..... |
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Posted: 6/28/2014 8:48:42 AM EST
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On Fort Hood in the 80's we were on a life fire range shootin 20MM Vulcans. After a couple tracks had maneuvered downrange firing from several points, they turned around and came back to the starting point. A Humvee came up out of the impact area, in full view of all of us, and a couple guys jumped out and shoveled the brass into the back. After collecting several thousand rounds of spent 20MM they went back into the impact area. No one would follow them into there. We were shut down and could not fire on them, we asked to though. Later we were told that there were several HUMVEE S that were missing and presumed stolen. The belief was that the scavenger families that lived on the edges of post had the Hummvee s stashed in the Permanant no entry impact areas and that is who we watched take all that brass. Without the US Army, those folks would have starved. Don't worry....those people are still there...Brought Here/Left Here Gen 3 as I recall. |
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Posted: 6/28/2014 8:48:46 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Aluminum cases are the way to go. They are: 1: Lighter than both steel and brass. 2: More brass-like in case behavior under pressure than steel, and thus a better replacement for brass than steel. 3: Cheaper finished product than brass or steel. 4: Not prone to rust like steel. 5: Easier to work than steel. |
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Posted: 6/28/2014 8:49:55 AM EST
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On Fort Hood in the 80's we were on a life fire range shootin 20MM Vulcans. After a couple tracks had maneuvered downrange firing from several points, they turned around and came back to the starting point. A Humvee came up out of the impact area, in full view of all of us, and a couple guys jumped out and shoveled the brass into the back. After collecting several thousand rounds of spent 20MM they went back into the impact area. No one would follow them into there. We were shut down and could not fire on them, we asked to though. Later we were told that there were several HUMVEE S that were missing and presumed stolen. The belief was that the scavenger families that lived on the edges of post had the Hummvee s stashed in the Permanant no entry impact areas and that is who we watched take all that brass. Without the US Army, those folks would have starved. They're still there. "Brass pickers" as the range ops/support contractors called 'em: "Don't fuck with the brass pickers, they kill you for a shell casing or a sabot petal." I never saw the HMMWVs but they do hide in the impact area waiting for lulls in the firing so they can run out and grab whatever they can. |
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Posted: 6/28/2014 8:50:04 AM EST
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weight. The weight difference between brass cases and steel isn't that big. Now, brass cases and aluminum, on the other hand... Big difference. We would be using aluminum cased 5.56 right now if Congress hadn't gutted various small arms R&D projects during the Vietnam war. |
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Posted: 6/28/2014 8:50:09 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: On Fort Hood in the 80's we were on a life fire range shootin 20MM Vulcans. After a couple tracks had maneuvered downrange firing from several points, they turned around and came back to the starting point. A Humvee came up out of the impact area, in full view of all of us, and a couple guys jumped out and shoveled the brass into the back. After collecting several thousand rounds of spent 20MM they went back into the impact area. No one would follow them into there. We were shut down and could not fire on them, we asked to though. Later we were told that there were several HUMVEE S that were missing and presumed stolen. The belief was that the scavenger families that lived on the edges of post had the Hummvee s stashed in the Permanant no entry impact areas and that is who we watched take all that brass. Without the US Army, those folks would have starved. WTF?  |
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Posted: 6/28/2014 8:50:57 AM EST
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Sure, next thing you know, you're going to want to get rid of the floor buffers. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It would make it too easy on privates when it comes to policing up a range after shooting all day, they could just use a magnet on wheels and not have to scrounge around on their hands and knees Sure, next thing you know, you're going to want to get rid of the floor buffers. Floor buffers MUST stay!!!!! I've gotten and seen many a bruise from riding floor buffers
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