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Posted: 8/19/2015 1:16:47 AM EDT
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I'm a huge classical music fan, and have been for years. Something I just don't get is the abandonment of the art form by the vast majority of contemporary music listeners. Is it the image of the old aloof fuddy-duddy that they are trying to avoid? Is it the actual music they dislike? Is it the instrumentation? And besides the cause for their dislike, what does it say about the state of western culture as a whole? Is it a rejection of western traditions and art forms as some sort of rebellion? Just something I though would toss out to discuss..... Didn't play enough GTA III 
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Posted: 8/19/2015 1:19:10 AM EDT
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Since film music is covered under the umbrella of Classical:
And for those who say that film music doesn't classify (heh) as Classical, this was a film score for a film with Myrna Loy and Robert Mitchum, but is now mainly known as a Classical piece:
And got another one: Pat Metheny AND Jerry Goldsmith:
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Posted: 8/19/2015 1:43:51 AM EDT
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Can't link one due to nudity, CoC and all that, copy/paste this into Google. Bram Stoker's Dracula"The Brides"Wojciech Kilar |
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Posted: 8/19/2015 1:49:44 AM EDT
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Bad parenting.
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Posted: 8/19/2015 1:52:46 AM EDT
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I enjoy listening to classical music while playing space sims, especially during docking maneuvers. Tell us more about your space docking... Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 8/19/2015 3:20:17 AM EDT
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Dvorak is my homeboy.
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Posted: 8/19/2015 4:04:28 AM EDT
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The uninformed would have a hell of a time putting together a mix tape.
1. They don't know how to search for it 2. The songs have been played by hundreds of people and performers over the years 3. Much of it is foreign named 4. Classical music enjoyment is a logistics nightmare |
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Posted: 8/19/2015 4:24:03 AM EDT
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The uninformed would have a hell of a time putting together a mix tape. 1. They don't know how to search for it 2. The songs have been played by hundreds of people and performers over the years 3. Much of it is foreign named 4. Classical music enjoyment is a logistics nightmare Spot on. |
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Posted: 8/19/2015 4:44:33 AM EDT
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Personal favorite. |
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Posted: 8/19/2015 4:48:25 AM EDT
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Posted: 8/19/2015 5:58:35 AM EDT
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Posted: 8/19/2015 6:03:11 AM EDT
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I play baroque music in the background for my mathematics classroom
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Posted: 8/19/2015 6:05:22 AM EDT
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I enjoy listening to classical music while playing space sims, especially during docking maneuvers. Hello Mr. Kubrik |
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Posted: 8/19/2015 6:30:29 AM EDT
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It requires intelligence. We don't do intelligence much anymore. Really. It's the popular music of it's day. Being really old doesn't mean that it requires any special skill to listen to. In a couple of hundred years people will be saying the same shit about Metallica and Britney. This is precisely what drives a lot of people away from it. |
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Posted: 8/19/2015 7:47:58 AM EDT
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Too many notes. That you Salieri? oh and I get chills when listening to this piece. .
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Posted: 8/19/2015 8:48:19 AM EDT
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As someone who has fairly specific interests in classical music: It can be quite uninteresting. Very repetitive at times with little dynamic range that just doesn't go anywhere or capture the imagination at all. Hmm, a lot like pop music today!  But again, that's why I don't really like much of it.
However, all seriousness aside...  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCct_tSQ8WY
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It sucks. That may be... but WHY does it suck... to say it simply sucks does not answer the question. What don't YOU like about it? As someone who has fairly specific interests in classical music: It can be quite uninteresting. Very repetitive at times with little dynamic range that just doesn't go anywhere or capture the imagination at all. Hmm, a lot like pop music today! But again, that's why I don't really like much of it.
However, all seriousness aside... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCct_tSQ8WY
At first i was like, is that Jaws? Then i realized oh no, its even better, its Conan! |
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Posted: 8/19/2015 10:46:44 AM EDT
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I'm more Classic and Baroque, not so much romantic era. Bach and Vivaldi, Hayden and Beethoven, Mozart really nails it. Then as many, hard rock as well. This guy gets it ...... except you have got to throw in Wagner as well! |
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Posted: 8/19/2015 11:36:22 AM EDT
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I think it's primarily because the good pieces are 100+ years old. Not many modern composers producing work of comparable quality. Movie soundtracks are probably the closest thing, but even those are generally a pale imitation. It's kind of like Latin - still around though nobody really uses it any more.
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Posted: 8/19/2015 11:42:06 AM EDT
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I don't know. I like it and I also like Industrial and Death Metal. Ditto on the Western tradition thing too.
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Posted: 8/19/2015 11:50:54 AM EDT
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I like it but I don't often enjoy spending an hour listening to one song.
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Posted: 8/19/2015 12:03:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I like some classical music, but generally find it boring. |
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Posted: 8/19/2015 12:09:41 PM EDT
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I like it but I don't often enjoy spending an hour listening to one song. Classical music is not about "songs" (unless you're talking about operatic arias, or German lieder). |
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Posted: 8/19/2015 12:16:29 PM EDT
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That may be... but WHY does it suck... to say it simply sucks does not answer the question. What don't YOU like about it? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It sucks. That may be... but WHY does it suck... to say it simply sucks does not answer the question. What don't YOU like about it? It'd doesn't "SUCK" and anyone who says or thinks it does, is a brainless twit. Having said that... I love all forms of music (except rap/hipop), but I've got to be in the mood to listen to classical -- which isn't all of the time. Still... the musical perfection of Bach, Mozart, Beethoven, Bizet, Rossini, etc cannot be denied by a thinking man. 
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Posted: 8/19/2015 12:55:35 PM EDT
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I listen to classical quite a bit.
I listen to Beethoven's 9th for an hour a day when I go on my walks. 
So many great classical pieces out there. I'm a huge fan of anything String. |
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Posted: 8/19/2015 12:56:41 PM EDT
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You can't twerk to it.
ETA: Should have read the thread before I replied. I was beaten by about 22 hours. |
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Posted: 8/19/2015 12:57:40 PM EDT
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It requires a nice stereo to truly appreciate, and a lot of people are baroque in this economy. 
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Posted: 8/19/2015 1:04:05 PM EDT
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Music has consistently been behind the curve when it comes to advancements in the other parts of culture. Art, poetry, and other forms of high culture have made consistent advancements in the last 100 years and have finally caught up to where the other mediums are today. What we hear when we listen to classical music is often the inability to convey emotion and ideas in a manner that painters as sculptures were able to do so during that time. This is why most classical music meanders and has tons of notes and parts that don't particularly evoke an emotion or response. And, if they do, it is staggeringly small compared to the works of most modern composers and musicians. Very few classical pieces used motifs, which is an incredibly powerful and essential song writing tool. It isn't because there was some lofty goal that exists outside the motif. It's because they had no fucking clue how to write a song. You must be smoking crack if none of the movements evoke emotion in you. All you hear is birds twerping I suppose. 
Classical music is defined by pure emotion. Most current music is rabble for the masses to not think or emote over. I'd say you'd have to be deaf to not hear it in classical music but then one of the greatest composers of all time wrote his best symphony deaf. So you can't even use that as an excuse! You're bad and should feel bad. 
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Posted: 8/19/2015 1:07:07 PM EDT
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It requires an adult attention span. Nailed it. |
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Posted: 8/19/2015 1:08:37 PM EDT
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I listen to theatrical stuff all the time. Not much classical though. Some pieces are incredible but are overplayed or referenced.
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Posted: 8/19/2015 1:18:46 PM EDT
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I find it easier to listen to classical on vinyl with real speakers not headset or bookshelf or the micros under a monitor. I really can't explain why it is different but the tones sound fuller/ warmer and the music is more alive. most techno-files won't even understand what I'm' talking about (hell, I don't) but Classical is just flat and empty on modern tech. the younger generation have no reason to even miss what they haven't been exposed to.
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Posted: 8/19/2015 3:34:10 PM EDT
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Classical music is not about "songs" (unless you're talking about operatic arias, or German lieder). Quote HistoryQuoted:
I like it but I don't often enjoy spending an hour listening to one song. Classical music is not about "songs" (unless you're talking about operatic arias, or German lieder). THANK YOU!!!!!! |
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Posted: 8/19/2015 4:01:29 PM EDT
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Does this count?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9NUBwDtWAmk https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gEIVzWCRSg8 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=aHjpOzsQ9YI https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jvipPYFebWc https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RrutzRWXkKs https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FqmrWithcF0 |
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Posted: 8/19/2015 4:05:07 PM EDT
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I didn't read ANY of the responses OP but, if I had to guess (Why people don't listen to classical music)
it's because most of them have never been exposed to it. |
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Posted: 8/19/2015 4:10:31 PM EDT
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Harpsichords. They should be banned.
Also the quiet-talking DJ's, like they're golf announcers or NPR faghoots. |
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Posted: 8/19/2015 4:57:46 PM EDT
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I didn't read ANY of the responses OP but, if I had to guess (Why people don't listen to classical music) it's because most of them have never been exposed to it. Most people think that all music is supposed to be like popular music - the same throughout, no development or musical story, and just the length of the average attention span. When they hear classical music and it's NOT like that, they think that it's boring. It's like someone who has only ever seen sitcoms, and then watches Citizen Kane and says, "WTF kind of crap is this? It's so boring and long!" I remember listening to the last movement of one of my favorite pieces, Berlioz's Symphonie Fantastique. After about six minutes an acquaintance who was in the car with me said, "how long does this go for?" 
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Posted: 8/19/2015 4:58:08 PM EDT
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Harpsichords. They should be banned. Also the quiet-talking DJ's, like they're golf announcers or NPR faghoots. I hate harpsichords. The pianoforte was the greatest invention in human history. |
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Posted: 8/19/2015 5:03:39 PM EDT
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Personal tastes.
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Posted: 8/19/2015 5:26:21 PM EDT
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If I had to choose one musician to listen to the rest of forever, it would probably be Chopin- his music speaks to me like no other. I'm surprised no one has pointed it out yet- but they listen to classical music all the time. They just don't realize it. Observe, and if you are a music nut, be prepared to suddenly hear Pachebel everywhere you go: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JdxkVQy7QLMDammit. hmmm... http://www.geneseetheatre.com/events/detail/awakenings-comedy-putting-the-spotlight-on-local-artists He currently lives in Brooklyn, New York but maintains his loyalty to Chicago sports teams and thin crust pizza cut in squares. It's tough not to like the guy. He's got the important stuff about life figured out. |
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Posted: 8/19/2015 5:39:19 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/19/2015 6:21:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryMetal really is the closest heir to classical music. I wouldn't say that in regards to all metal as a lot of it is simplistic and boring, but a lot of metal uses elements in composition found in classical that you won't find too often in most other genres. This isn't very surprising as metal is most popular in areas of the world that historically enjoyed a greater presence of classical music. 
This track starts modest enough, but it get's bigger as it goes...
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Posted: 8/19/2015 6:38:10 PM EDT
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Metal really is the closest heir to classical music. I wouldn't say that in regards to all metal as a lot of it is simplistic and boring, but a lot of metal uses elements in composition found in classical that you won't find too often in most other genres. This isn't very surprising as metal is most popular in areas of the world that historically enjoyed a greater presence of classical music. http://www.geocurrents.info/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/Metal-Bands-Map.png This track starts modest enough, but it get's bigger as it goes... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsh9xzTCFRkQuote HistoryQuoted:
Metal really is the closest heir to classical music. I wouldn't say that in regards to all metal as a lot of it is simplistic and boring, but a lot of metal uses elements in composition found in classical that you won't find too often in most other genres. This isn't very surprising as metal is most popular in areas of the world that historically enjoyed a greater presence of classical music. http://www.geocurrents.info/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/Metal-Bands-Map.png This track starts modest enough, but it get's bigger as it goes... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsh9xzTCFRkThere's so much classical in a lot of metal.... Skip to about 2:15
And 2:40 here
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Posted: 8/19/2015 6:40:01 PM EDT
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I feel the same way about Jazz. It should be more popular, but it isn't.
But in today's world if you aren't a woman who dresses like a stripper or a black drug addict, nobody really cares about your music. |
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Posted: 8/19/2015 6:49:35 PM EDT
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Most people think that all music is supposed to be like popular music - the same throughout, no development or musical story, and just the length of the average attention span. When they hear classical music and it's NOT like that, they think that it's boring. It's like someone who has only ever seen sitcoms, and then watches Citizen Kane and says, "WTF kind of crap is this? It's so boring and long!" Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I didn't read ANY of the responses OP but, if I had to guess (Why people don't listen to classical music) it's because most of them have never been exposed to it. Most people think that all music is supposed to be like popular music - the same throughout, no development or musical story, and just the length of the average attention span. When they hear classical music and it's NOT like that, they think that it's boring. It's like someone who has only ever seen sitcoms, and then watches Citizen Kane and says, "WTF kind of crap is this? It's so boring and long!" This is also true. I find some pop music to be fun, kind of like junk food, but after a while it starts to bog me down with its sameness. Same with any music that has a format of "3-minutes, singing, refrain, repeat." There's a place for it, there's nothing wrong with it per se, but to live a lifetime listening to only that format? Not for me. I was raised on Classical, and by age 10 was a big fan. I got lots of bitching from my friends at school about it. (Which only made me dig my heels in more. Why wasn't I "allowed" to like it?) A full-on "shame" campaign went on to try to pressure me into giving it up. This went on for most of my school years. I now realize that some of my friends were thinking I was 'putting on airs' and that NO ONE really likes that stuff. Or in other words, if they don't "get" it, then anyone who seems to "get" it must be making it up, pretending to like it just to look "smart." It was their own insecurities or lack of understanding that was fueling the extreme reaction to it. (And it wasn't like I was constantly trying to force others to listen to it. Just the mere mention of Bach or Chopin would send some people into fits.) But I will say now, my car will only run on Classical music. I'm not listening to anyone else's shit in my own car. The way some people carry on, it's like they think it's like torture to have to listen to Classical at all. But that's too bad, I listen to everyone else's shit when I'm out and about, with nary a complaint, but I don't have to put up with it in my own car. I remember listening to the last movement of one of my favorite pieces, Berlioz's Symphonie Fantastique. After about six minutes an acquaintance who was in the car with me said, "how long does this go for?" I know I know, the poor darling, he had to listen to something unfamiliar for 6 minutes!
The thing that gets me is that it's always one sided. Some people expect me to listen to their shit all day, I never complain (because I'm so used to it—everywhere I go there is music I don't like), but if they have to listen to 5 minutes of something orchestral, it's like the world is freakin' ending for them, they bitch and complain so much. |
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Posted: 8/19/2015 7:49:29 PM EDT
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Metal really is the closest heir to classical music. I wouldn't say that in regards to all metal as a lot of it is simplistic and boring, but a lot of metal uses elements in composition found in classical that you won't find too often in most other genres. This isn't very surprising as metal is most popular in areas of the world that historically enjoyed a greater presence of classical music. http://www.geocurrents.info/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/Metal-Bands-Map.png This track starts modest enough, but it get's bigger as it goes... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsh9xzTCFRkQuote HistoryQuoted:
Metal really is the closest heir to classical music. I wouldn't say that in regards to all metal as a lot of it is simplistic and boring, but a lot of metal uses elements in composition found in classical that you won't find too often in most other genres. This isn't very surprising as metal is most popular in areas of the world that historically enjoyed a greater presence of classical music. http://www.geocurrents.info/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/Metal-Bands-Map.png This track starts modest enough, but it get's bigger as it goes... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsh9xzTCFRkThanks for that one, I like it. |
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Posted: 8/19/2015 8:40:33 PM EDT
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Thanks for that one, I like it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Metal really is the closest heir to classical music. I wouldn't say that in regards to all metal as a lot of it is simplistic and boring, but a lot of metal uses elements in composition found in classical that you won't find too often in most other genres. This isn't very surprising as metal is most popular in areas of the world that historically enjoyed a greater presence of classical music. http://www.geocurrents.info/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/Metal-Bands-Map.png This track starts modest enough, but it get's bigger as it goes... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsh9xzTCFRkThanks for that one, I like it. Their name is Latin for "Forget Not" which happens to be the title of the track. The band is from Australia. The album that track is from, Portal of I, is excellent. They have a newer album called Citadel that I'm not as familiar with, but I like what I've heard. There's a lot to digest. |
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Posted: 8/19/2015 8:53:00 PM EDT
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I'm a huge classical music fan, and have been for years. Something I just don't get is the abandonment of the art form by the vast majority of contemporary music listeners. Is it the image of the old aloof fuddy-duddy that they are trying to avoid? Is it the actual music they dislike? Is it the instrumentation? And besides the cause for their dislike, what does it say about the state of western culture as a whole? Is it a rejection of western traditions and art forms as some sort of rebellion? Just something I though would toss out to discuss..... I like it. I like all genres. Pictures at an Exhibition to 99 Problems. 2112 to Evenflow to Rhinosaur to Bulls on Parade. 1000 miles to nowhere to the Anthrax/Public Enemy Bring the Noise. Rhapsody in Blue to Hero of the Day. Damn its Good to be a gangster. |
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Posted: 8/19/2015 9:14:07 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/19/2015 10:47:17 PM EDT
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The Album that got me started...
Which lead to this...
Then this...
And finally this...
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Posted: 8/20/2015 9:43:10 AM EDT
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This is also true. I find some pop music to be fun, kind of like junk food, but after a while it starts to bog me down with its sameness. Same with any music that has a format of "3-minutes, singing, refrain, repeat." There's a place for it, there's nothing wrong with it per se, but to live a lifetime listening to only that format? Not for me. I was raised on Classical, and by age 10 was a big fan. I got lots of bitching from my friends at school about it. (Which only made me dig my heels in more. Why wasn't I "allowed" to like it?) A full-on "shame" campaign went on to try to pressure me into giving it up. This went on for most of my school years. I now realize that some of my friends were thinking I was 'putting on airs' and that NO ONE really likes that stuff. Or in other words, if they don't "get" it, then anyone who seems to "get" it must be making it up, pretending to like it just to look "smart." It was their own insecurities or lack of understanding that was fueling the extreme reaction to it. (And it wasn't like I was constantly trying to force others to listen to it. Just the mere mention of Bach or Chopin would send some people into fits.) But I will say now, my car will only run on Classical music. I'm not listening to anyone else's shit in my own car. The way some people carry on, it's like they think it's like torture to have to listen to Classical at all. But that's too bad, I listen to everyone else's shit when I'm out and about, with nary a complaint, but I don't have to put up with it in my own car. I know I know, the poor darling, he had to listen to something unfamiliar for 6 minutes!
The thing that gets me is that it's always one sided. Some people expect me to listen to their shit all day, I never complain (because I'm so used to it—everywhere I go there is music I don't like), but if they have to listen to 5 minutes of something orchestral, it's like the world is freakin' ending for them, they bitch and complain so much. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I didn't read ANY of the responses OP but, if I had to guess (Why people don't listen to classical music) it's because most of them have never been exposed to it. Most people think that all music is supposed to be like popular music - the same throughout, no development or musical story, and just the length of the average attention span. When they hear classical music and it's NOT like that, they think that it's boring. It's like someone who has only ever seen sitcoms, and then watches Citizen Kane and says, "WTF kind of crap is this? It's so boring and long!" This is also true. I find some pop music to be fun, kind of like junk food, but after a while it starts to bog me down with its sameness. Same with any music that has a format of "3-minutes, singing, refrain, repeat." There's a place for it, there's nothing wrong with it per se, but to live a lifetime listening to only that format? Not for me. I was raised on Classical, and by age 10 was a big fan. I got lots of bitching from my friends at school about it. (Which only made me dig my heels in more. Why wasn't I "allowed" to like it?) A full-on "shame" campaign went on to try to pressure me into giving it up. This went on for most of my school years. I now realize that some of my friends were thinking I was 'putting on airs' and that NO ONE really likes that stuff. Or in other words, if they don't "get" it, then anyone who seems to "get" it must be making it up, pretending to like it just to look "smart." It was their own insecurities or lack of understanding that was fueling the extreme reaction to it. (And it wasn't like I was constantly trying to force others to listen to it. Just the mere mention of Bach or Chopin would send some people into fits.) But I will say now, my car will only run on Classical music. I'm not listening to anyone else's shit in my own car. The way some people carry on, it's like they think it's like torture to have to listen to Classical at all. But that's too bad, I listen to everyone else's shit when I'm out and about, with nary a complaint, but I don't have to put up with it in my own car. I remember listening to the last movement of one of my favorite pieces, Berlioz's Symphonie Fantastique. After about six minutes an acquaintance who was in the car with me said, "how long does this go for?" I know I know, the poor darling, he had to listen to something unfamiliar for 6 minutes!
The thing that gets me is that it's always one sided. Some people expect me to listen to their shit all day, I never complain (because I'm so used to it—everywhere I go there is music I don't like), but if they have to listen to 5 minutes of something orchestral, it's like the world is freakin' ending for them, they bitch and complain so much. Yeah, I've noticed how people play their own music really loud in their car, but it feels like I'm committing a crime if I play my own music at a decent volume in my own car when there's someone else there. When you actually understand classical music, you understand how incredibly deep and purely human it is, and when you can understand orchestration, harmonic progression, rhythm, dynamics, meter, tempo, etc. and understand how those tools are used to tell the musical story, it's even more amazing. Popular music is all about the superficial, musically and emotionally. Nothing wrong with that - it's fun - but it's not for me. |
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Posted: 8/20/2015 9:51:41 AM EDT
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Because if you go to the symphony, only one of the two or three pieces they play will be any good to someone without technical interest in the music. And it will be the last piece. The first two will either be technical pieces--ones that are difficult to play, but boring to listen to. A lot of Rachmaninoff falls into this category. The alternative for the first two will be some sort of "alternative" classical, where there's some gimmick to it, like playing four percussion instruments by holding two sticks in each hand. Again, the chances of this being interesting from a listener perspective is slim.
My wife and I love classical music--but we listen at home, since we got tired of listening to crap at the symphony. |
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