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Posted: 8/28/2019 7:15:15 AM EST
I work in manufacturing and a large sheet metal manufacturing facility. We recently hired a guy for pretty good money as a CAD designer. The shop starts at 8am, but most people show up and are ready to go 15-20min early. Some show up over an hour early…which I think is a little nuts.
This guy consistently shows up at 7:59,8:00…sometimes a few minutes after 8. I’ve heard his boss talking to him several times about it……”if you are not early, you are late….8:01 is late”. The guy will show up at 7:55 for a few days, and then he’s back to the 7:59-8:01 deal again. I have a feeling that the guy is eventually going to get fired because of this…..he's only been with the company for a couple of months....he should be trying to make an impression. Is it really that hard to show up a few minutes early for work so that if something unexpected happens (traffic jam, accident, flat time, etc, etc….) you aren’t walking in late? This isn’t a McDonald's or Pizza Hut job……this is a professional position. Or in today's day and age.....it getting buy with the least amount of effort acceptable?? 
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Posted: 8/28/2019 7:18:01 AM EST
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I show up when I'm paid to show up.
Not "early". |
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Posted: 8/28/2019 7:19:49 AM EST
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I show up when I'm paid to show up. Not "early". Boomers trying to milk him OP? 
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Posted: 8/28/2019 7:20:17 AM EST
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How late does he work?
Why are you worrying about his habit? |
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Posted: 8/28/2019 7:20:25 AM EST
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Posted: 8/28/2019 7:22:12 AM EST
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Why are you worrying about his habit? |
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Posted: 8/28/2019 7:22:36 AM EST
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A professional position that is worried about minutes.
Sounds like McDonalds. |
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Posted: 8/28/2019 7:22:43 AM EST
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You should be at your job early enough to take care of whatever it is and be ready to work at the appointed time.
Not walk in 2 minutes before 8 then go take a shit then make coffee then maybe start work. |
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Posted: 8/28/2019 7:23:19 AM EST
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You're watching the clock on a CAD guy who by your own admission is for the most part coming in on time at his expected start time? You guys must have totally solved all the rest of your companies problems.
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Posted: 8/28/2019 7:23:49 AM EST
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I show up when I'm paid to show up. Not "early". |
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Posted: 8/28/2019 7:23:58 AM EST
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I show up when I'm paid to show up. Not "early". |
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Posted: 8/28/2019 7:24:22 AM EST
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I show up when I'm paid to show up. Not "early". I get paid from the minute my foot leaves my front porch. Want me to drive to the other side of the state to work? Windshield time does NOT include $.58/mile vehicle reimbursement (2019 Schedule C - IRS.gov) 
don't think I'm going to stay through my lunch just because you bought cheap-ass Subway sandwiches for everyone in the "meeting" either. Pay me. |
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Posted: 8/28/2019 7:24:29 AM EST
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Show up late, leave early, get paid well.... Sounds like he figured it out lol
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Posted: 8/28/2019 7:24:54 AM EST
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I don't disagree with you, OP, but this thread won't go well for you.
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Posted: 8/28/2019 7:24:59 AM EST
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I'm at work 10-15 minutes early. I just hate being late.
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Posted: 8/28/2019 7:25:03 AM EST
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I work in manufacturing and a large sheet metal manufacturing facility. We recently hired a guy for pretty good money as a CAD designer. The shop starts at 8am, but most people show up and are ready to go 15-20min early. Some show up over an hour earlywhich I think is a little nuts. This guy consistently shows up at 7:59,8:00sometimes a few minutes after 8. I've heard his boss talking to him several times about it"if you are not early, you are late.8:01 is late". The guy will show up at 7:55 for a few days, and then he's back to the 7:59-8:01 deal again. I have a feeling that the guy is eventually going to get fired because of this..he's only been with the company for a couple of months....he should be trying to make an impression. Is it really that hard to show up a few minutes early for work so that if something unexpected happens (traffic jam, accident, flat time, etc, etc.) you aren't walking in late? This isn't a McDonald's or Pizza Hut jobthis is a professional position. Or in today's day and age.....it getting buy with the least amount of effort acceptable?? |
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Posted: 8/28/2019 7:25:12 AM EST
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Hourly or salary? What is the actual impact of him showing up at 8:01?
I also work in manufacturing. Line guys have an attendance points policy because the guy they are relieving can’t leave until they are there. Their window for clocking in is +\- 3 minutes. Office hourly and salary are not subject to this policy. As long as we get our work done and show up to meetings nobody cares when we get in. |
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Posted: 8/28/2019 7:25:47 AM EST
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You should be at your job early enough to take care of whatever it is and be ready to work at the appointed time. Not walk in 2 minutes before 8 then go take a shit then make coffee then maybe start work. |
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Posted: 8/28/2019 7:25:50 AM EST
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How late does he work? Why are you worrying about his habit? The guys does good work, but he's going to get fired. Something as simple as getting there 5min early is cheap insurance to keep a well paying job. Same reason you fill up your gas tank in your car before the needle is barried in the red....cheap insurance. |
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Posted: 8/28/2019 7:26:32 AM EST
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You should be at your job early enough to take care of whatever it is and be ready to work at the appointed time. Not walk in 2 minutes before 8 then go take a shit then make coffee then maybe start work. |
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Posted: 8/28/2019 7:26:33 AM EST
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I show up when I'm paid to show up. Not "early". |
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Posted: 8/28/2019 7:27:00 AM EST
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I show up when I'm paid to show up. Not "early". When I was hourly I had my commute pretty well planned and I would arrive with 5 minutes to spare every time. If traffic was unusually light and I was more than a few minutes early when pulling into the parking lot, I'd read a book in my truck until it was time. I'm salaried now and I don't have a start time at all. My current employer does nearest 15 minutes for time rounding for hourly employees. 7:53 and 8:07 both round to 8:00. Seems far more practical. |
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Posted: 8/28/2019 7:27:03 AM EST
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Such a dumb attitude. Time spent at work is minimized. My time is more valuable to me than the company.
That doesn't mean show up late, but one minute isn't hurting anyone. |
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Posted: 8/28/2019 7:27:14 AM EST
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I'd quit if someone was watching the clock for me... I've worked my entire life in environments where I managed my own time, put in way more than was required, etc.
The if you're not early, you're late would piss me off too. No. On time is on time. Early is early. Early can't be a requirement, by definition. I would want to know more about this player - are their contributions worth having him there? Is he putting in the time and energy into his work and making the team successful? If so, not sure I can care if they are there at 759 or 820. Anyway, Guess I am fortunate. |
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Posted: 8/28/2019 7:27:16 AM EST
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Is his job performance less than acceptable? Micromanagement will drive away good employees...
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Posted: 8/28/2019 7:27:27 AM EST
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If the guy shows up 5 days a week without taking at least a day off a week because of some shit like....." Can't make it today. My cat has anxiety."
Then don't complain. Biggest problem I hear from local employers is that nobody works a full week anymore. A lot have even stopped writing people up or firing for it because those that replace them might only make it 3 days a week. I always try to make it early for my customers. I'm usually 10 minutes early. I believe I've only been late to an appointment 3 times. But.....it's my business and I give a shit. |
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Posted: 8/28/2019 7:27:53 AM EST
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no flame, O_P, but it sounds like you need to try decaffeinated and find a better job.
Hiring is good out there, no time to put up with this shit. |
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Posted: 8/28/2019 7:28:28 AM EST
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The real question is, “is he affecting production by showing up 1 minute late?” If the answer is no, then it is no big deal.
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Posted: 8/28/2019 7:28:43 AM EST
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If you want me at work at 7:45, schedule me at 7:45.
That said, when I was hourly, I did try to get to work with a buffer but I'd sit in the parking lot for that extra 5-10 minutes. Clock in time is 8:00? That's when I punch the clock. |
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Posted: 8/28/2019 7:28:50 AM EST
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So if work starts at 8.....and you show up at 8....but one day you show up at 8:05 because of traffic....that's piss poor planning on your part. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I show up when I'm paid to show up. Not "early". |
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Posted: 8/28/2019 7:29:07 AM EST
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LOL
your place of employment sounds ridiculous. |
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Posted: 8/28/2019 7:29:10 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Bingo...... |
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Posted: 8/28/2019 7:29:27 AM EST
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He leaves right at the bell....... The guys does good work, but he's going to get fired. Something as simple as getting there 5min early is cheap insurance to keep a well paying job. Same reason you fill up your gas tank in your car before the needle is barried in the red....cheap insurance. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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How late does he work? Why are you worrying about his habit? The guys does good work, but he's going to get fired. Something as simple as getting there 5min early is cheap insurance to keep a well paying job. Same reason you fill up your gas tank in your car before the needle is barried in the red....cheap insurance. Surely there are more important things you can worry about at your company. Or are you run by insufferable boomers? In that case letting him go might be doing him a favor. |
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Posted: 8/28/2019 7:30:17 AM EST
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A professional position that is worried about minutes. Sounds like McDonalds. |
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Posted: 8/28/2019 7:30:42 AM EST
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I used to think exactly like you.
If not 15 early then your late. But with age comes wisdom , at least from my perspective. As long as the job gets done, and no one else has to pull your weight, a few minutes is no big deal. If the work doesn’t get done, or your performance is sub par , then even a few seconds is a big deal. Life isn’t the military once you are in civilian life. Life happens and everyone has different things that are important to them. Helping your children or spouse for a few more minutes each morning, or not blasting through a yellowish light to shave a few moments off your trip is probably a better way to go. YMMV |
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Posted: 8/28/2019 7:30:49 AM EST
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You should be at your job early enough to take care of whatever it is and be ready to work at the appointed time. Not walk in 2 minutes before 8 then go take a shit then make coffee then maybe start work. |
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Posted: 8/28/2019 7:31:12 AM EST
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I get to work an hour early and work through lunch to get maximum OT with the least time wasted.
My co workers show up whenever, I couldn't care less. It isn't like they are opening a business for customers or getting paid. |
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Posted: 8/28/2019 7:31:37 AM EST
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Glad I don’t work in a culture like that. I’ve sat on conference calls on mute while digging through one of my beehives.
My company respects me, and trusts I will get done what I need to get done. Any place tapping its toes at me over not showing up early can eat a dick. |
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Posted: 8/28/2019 7:32:06 AM EST
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My military experience is probably the reason I still freak out inside when I run late which isn't often. That was 35 years ago and shit got real ugly for anyone being late. I work on an appointment
schedule that has customers coming at a predetermined time. I would rather be 10 minutes early than 1 minute late. Being on time is also a sign of respect. |
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Posted: 8/28/2019 7:33:04 AM EST
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If you can consistently come in at 8:05, you can damn sure consistently come in at 7:55.
Totally unprofessional. |
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Posted: 8/28/2019 7:33:31 AM EST
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How late does he work? Why are you worrying about his habit? People always seem to notice when a person shows up late, but never seem to acknowledge when a person works late to make up for it. If he's putting in his 8 hours, does it really matter if it's 8:00 am to 5:00 pm, or 8:05 am to 5:05 pm? One of the hardest workers I've ever seen would show up each morning around 9 or 10, but then work as late as needed every night until the job was done. It took 3 people to replace her when she retired. According to those that live and die by the time clock, she would have been considered a bad employee.
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Posted: 8/28/2019 7:34:23 AM EST
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You should be at your job early enough to take care of whatever it is and be ready to work at the appointed time. Not walk in 2 minutes before 8 then go take a shit then make coffee then maybe start work. ETA: this also depends on what said employee is hired to do. Back in my IT days I DGAF as long as work was completed on time and up to standard, employees could work whenever they wanted or from home. |
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Posted: 8/28/2019 7:34:29 AM EST
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I show up when I'm paid to show up. Not "early". |
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Posted: 8/28/2019 7:35:06 AM EST
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Do you pay the minutes that the early crowd is onsite? If no then fuck the company. The guy is basically on time. I would be happy to have him.
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Posted: 8/28/2019 7:35:26 AM EST
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Are you his boss? Is it your company? If not, why worry about it?
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Posted: 8/28/2019 7:35:45 AM EST
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I work in manufacturing and a large sheet metal manufacturing facility. We recently hired a guy for pretty good money as a CAD designer. The shop starts at 8am, but most people show up and are ready to go 15-20min early. Some show up over an hour earlywhich I think is a little nuts. This guy consistently shows up at 7:59,8:00sometimes a few minutes after 8. I've heard his boss talking to him several times about it"if you are not early, you are late.8:01 is late". The guy will show up at 7:55 for a few days, and then he's back to the 7:59-8:01 deal again. I have a feeling that the guy is eventually going to get fired because of this..he's only been with the company for a couple of months....he should be trying to make an impression. Is it really that hard to show up a few minutes early for work so that if something unexpected happens (traffic jam, accident, flat time, etc, etc.) you aren't walking in late? This isn't a McDonald's or Pizza Hut jobthis is a professional position. Or in today's day and age.....it getting buy with the least amount of effort acceptable?? I agree that that people need to get to work a few minutes early to get their shit handled before they're supposed to be on the clock and I spent years doing that every day. In the current labor market, he's probably going to get away with it. When things tighten up and there is competition, maybe not. |
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Posted: 8/28/2019 7:36:57 AM EST
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You bring up a good point. People always seem to notice when a person shows up late, but never seem to acknowledge when a person works late to make up for it. If he's putting in his 8 hours, does it really matter if it's 8:00 am to 5:00 pm, or 8:05 am to 5:05 pm? One of the hardest workers I've ever seen would show up each morning around 9 or 10, but then work as late as needed every night until the job was done. It took 3 people to replace her when she retired. According to those that live and die by the time clock, she would have been considered a bad employee. |
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Posted: 8/28/2019 7:37:10 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: He leaves right at the bell....... The guys does good work, but he's going to get fired. Something as simple as getting there 5min early is cheap insurance to keep a well paying job. Same reason you fill up your gas tank in your car before the needle is barried in the red....cheap insurance.
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Posted: 8/28/2019 7:37:26 AM EST
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Do you clock in 15-60 minutes early? If not, then no thanks, I’ll get there early, then sit in my car till 7:58.
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Posted: 8/28/2019 7:37:29 AM EST
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I'm glad I work for a company that cares about getting the job done more than following arbitrary rules.
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Posted: 8/28/2019 7:38:12 AM EST
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A professional position that is worried about minutes. Sounds like McDonalds. I work whenever the hell I want to. As long as I work 80hrs every 2 weeks and pump out all the work I'm required to pump out, I don't hear shit but praise from my boss. Hes told me to stop telling him when I'm going to leave early, he doesn't care. If the guy does good work who gives a shit if he is a few minutes late. |
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