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Posted: 8/28/2019 7:58:12 AM EST
[#1]
As a business owner the only thing I got from your original post is you need to mind your own fuckin business and worry about you.
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Posted: 8/28/2019 7:58:29 AM EST
[#2]
It really depends on the place.
In past jobs, I always showed up 10-15 minutes early. Nobody batted an eye or acted like it was anything but normal. In my current job, I would do the same, until the boss came by one morning and basically asked "what are you doing here so early?" Of course, once I was late, he gave me guff over that, as well. (We'd had a lot of people showing up late at the time and nearly all of them were worse offenders than I was, but that's not really here nor there) Currently, we have a woman in my department, who's scheduled in at 8:30, who almost never shows up at 8:30. Sometimes, it's just before 9. The boss has talked to her on several occasions, sent her home over it. and used to complain about it profusely. Now it's just "business as usual". Shed rolled in right around 8:48 this morning. For most of us, the rule is "be clocked in by your start time", for some, it's more fluid, which I understand in some cases. in others, it's downright baffling. I don't own the place, though, and it's not my name on the checks, so I just roll with it. |
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Posted: 8/28/2019 7:58:55 AM EST
[#3]
5-6 min early equates to 2 hours or more a month of working without pay. Fuck that shit. They should have said works starts at 7:55...but then they'd want you there at 7:50 wouldnt they.
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Posted: 8/28/2019 7:59:07 AM EST
[#4]
I actually show up around two hours early for work consistently.
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Posted: 8/28/2019 7:59:55 AM EST
[#5]
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I figured it would be full of the "screw you, I start work at 8:05 and leave at 4:58" type guys. .....because bitching about freeloaders in society is ok......but screwing your employer out of money is cool too. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I don't disagree with you, OP, but this thread won't go well for you. .....because bitching about freeloaders in society is ok......but screwing your employer out of money is cool too. 
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Posted: 8/28/2019 8:00:59 AM EST
[#6]
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Was he dressed properly, OP? Are you the owner’s son? |
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Posted: 8/28/2019 8:01:38 AM EST
[#7]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I figured it would be full of the "screw you, I start work at 8:05 and leave at 4:58" type guys. .....because bitching about freeloaders in society is ok......but screwing your employer out of money is cool too. |
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Posted: 8/28/2019 8:01:48 AM EST
[#8]
8:01 is late?
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Posted: 8/28/2019 8:01:56 AM EST
[#9]
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Most people don't understand manufacturing. I have a set down talk with quite a bit of my new people and explain to them about how manufacturing is based on time/targets/output/efficiency . If the floor is waiting on one CAD guy, then the company has bigger issues than the CAD guy showing up at 8:00 or 8:01. |
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Posted: 8/28/2019 8:02:06 AM EST
[#10]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I figured it would be full of the "screw you, I start work at 8:05 and leave at 4:58" type guys. .....because bitching about freeloaders in society is ok......but screwing your employer out of money is cool too. The employee is getting paid to do a job. Focusing on them being there for exactly 8 hours is stupid. Unless they are a stupid person. For people with actual skills the employer should be focusing on how well the job is done. |
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Posted: 8/28/2019 8:03:11 AM EST
[#11]
In my army unit we had a saying 15 to the 15. A couple knuckle draggers were late to formation so for a 800 formation we had to be 15 mins early to the “preformation”. 731 was “late”. A lot of wasted time twiddling thumbs and smoking.
Currently hourly while I finish school. 800 work start, I’m there at 759, nothing critical is done in the first 15 mins of work where I am. |
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Posted: 8/28/2019 8:03:57 AM EST
[#12]
I'm all about "be at work on time."
But if you guys are bitching about 8:01 instead of 8:00, you're focusing on the wrong things. |
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Posted: 8/28/2019 8:04:39 AM EST
[#13]
I was an hour and 3 minutes late to work today, GF wanted to cuddle until she had to leave for work. Oh well.
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Posted: 8/28/2019 8:05:52 AM EST
[#14]
A friend of mine gave me some great advice for managing. "You can manage people, or you can manage results."
I know which one your company sounds like 
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Posted: 8/28/2019 8:06:45 AM EST
[#15]
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I show up when I'm paid to show up. Not "early". You want me to show up earlier? Pay me to show up earlier. |
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Posted: 8/28/2019 8:07:24 AM EST
[#16]
You want me there at 745 you’re paying me for that 15 minutes. Capitalism works both ways.
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Posted: 8/28/2019 8:07:54 AM EST
[#17]
I got assigned to 'watch' a production superintendent at a place I worked 30 years ago.
The guy was allegedly a 'boss' over floor production. He'd clock in promptly at 0755, with his newspaper already in-hand, walk into a private men's room (a head with no other occupants or adjacent stalls where you could tell someone to get back to work), and spend the next full hour working on the morning log. My office was across the hall from that particular facility and I was given the task to write down what time he went in and what time I came out for 5 days and then I was assigned to fire him. (The company president was a wuss and would sometimes schedule firings to happen while he was away at sales meetings and conventions.) this was also a place where I had to carry a white golf pencil in my shirt pocket, to hold between my fingers on breaks because I didn't smoke and only smokers got regular breaks. ...did I mention this was over 30 years ago? 
I didn't put up with this kind of shit, even back then |
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Posted: 8/28/2019 8:07:56 AM EST
[#18]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Sure, for the floor guys. Office guy working on CAD drawings? If the floor is waiting on one CAD guy, then the company has bigger issues than the CAD guy showing up at 8:00 or 8:01. If a CAD drawing being 1-2 minutes late can halt or delay production, the Production Manager is the one that should be fired, not the CAD guy. |
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Posted: 8/28/2019 8:08:30 AM EST
[#19]
I was taught by my Dad to show up on time. Old Army guy. You take a job and say, I will be there, you be there!
My Dad showed up to work during the Blizzard of 78. Everything was shut down. He didnt call to ask he just left. He went to work and nobody was there. He made coffee and took the snow plow out and took nurses back and forth to work. It was a company that managed parking garages and lots for the city and hospitals that he worked for over 40 years. |
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Posted: 8/28/2019 8:09:04 AM EST
[#20]
Do you get paid overtime for clocking in early or clocking out late? I'm thankful I haven't had to clock in/out for over 30 years.
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Posted: 8/28/2019 8:10:26 AM EST
[#21]
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I show up when I'm paid to show up. Not "early". 
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Posted: 8/28/2019 8:11:46 AM EST
[#22]
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This. If a CAD drawing being 1-2 minutes late can halt or delay production, the Production Manager is the one that should be fired, not the CAD guy. |
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Posted: 8/28/2019 8:11:48 AM EST
[#23]
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Such a dumb attitude. Time spent at work is minimized. My time is more valuable to me than the company. That doesn't mean show up late, but one minute isn't hurting anyone. One minute late...is late for work when you are getting paid by the hour (not salary). |
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Posted: 8/28/2019 8:11:48 AM EST
[#24]
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Currently, we have a woman in my department, who's scheduled in at 8:30, who almost never shows up at 8:30. Sometimes, it's just before 9. The boss has talked to her on several occasions, sent her home over it. and used to complain about it profusely. Now it's just "business as usual". Shed rolled in right around 8:48 this morning. |
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Posted: 8/28/2019 8:13:02 AM EST
[#25]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So if work starts at 8.....and you show up at 8....but one day you show up at 8:05 because of traffic....that's piss poor planning on your part. Since your company is the one that started tracking minutes..... This is like the 37 pieces of flare argument from office space. If you want people there at 7:55, tell them to be there at 7:55. Pretty fucking simple. |
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Posted: 8/28/2019 8:13:09 AM EST
[#26]
20-45 minutes to get through the Gate....
That's not paid for.... |
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Posted: 8/28/2019 8:13:21 AM EST
[#27]
Getting fired is only useful motivation when they can't walk out the door and find 5 other jobs paying the same rate to do the same stuff.
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Posted: 8/28/2019 8:18:19 AM EST
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: He leaves right at the bell....... The guys does good work, but he's going to get fired. Something as simple as getting there 5min early is cheap insurance to keep a well paying job. Same reason you fill up your gas tank in your car before the needle is barried in the red....cheap insurance. |
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Posted: 8/28/2019 8:19:30 AM EST
[#29]
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I'm glad I work for a company that cares about getting the job done more than following arbitrary rules. |
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Posted: 8/28/2019 8:21:10 AM EST
[#30]
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A professional position that is worried about minutes. Sounds like McDonalds. It never ceases to amaze me how, in the 21st century, we still have some managers working with 18th century ideas. |
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Posted: 8/28/2019 8:22:22 AM EST
[#31]
Lmfao @ OP.
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Posted: 8/28/2019 8:23:03 AM EST
[#32]
Got another question for you, OP.
For the guys who show up early, are they allowed to leave early after putting in their 8 hours, or are they required to finish their shift and are then paid for the extra time? 
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Posted: 8/28/2019 8:23:50 AM EST
[#33]
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20-45 minutes to get through the Gate....
That's not paid for.... I work in a field where results are more important than the time clock. Be at your meetings, make sure the work is done well, and schedule is extremely fluid. I'll never work a time clock shop again- fuck that. |
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Posted: 8/28/2019 8:24:02 AM EST
[#34]
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A professional position that is worried about minutes. Sounds like McDonalds. |
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Posted: 8/28/2019 8:25:04 AM EST
[#35]
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I start at 8am also and get here between 8:10-8:45, I've been warned about 30-40 times about it over the last 20 years. If your firing someone that starts at 8am but shows up at 7:55-8:05 its probably not a great business decision. Your office probably has no issue with the workers that spend a hour a day socializing or get hours less work done, but have a huge issue over 2 minutes. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: He leaves right at the bell....... The guys does good work, but he's going to get fired. Something as simple as getting there 5min early is cheap insurance to keep a well paying job. Same reason you fill up your gas tank in your car before the needle is barried in the red....cheap insurance. |
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Posted: 8/28/2019 8:26:14 AM EST
[#36]
This quote will be great in court: ”if you are not early, you are late."
Compelled uncompensated work? Cha ching! |
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Posted: 8/28/2019 8:26:16 AM EST
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So if work starts at 8.....and you show up at 8....but one day you show up at 8:05 because of traffic....that's piss poor planning on your part. Period |
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Posted: 8/28/2019 8:27:14 AM EST
[#38]
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5-6 min early equates to 2 hours or more a month of working without pay. Fuck that shit. They should have said works starts at 7:55...but then they'd want you there at 7:50 wouldnt they. I don't donate my time for free. As stated at the top of pg 3, sounds like OP needs to mind his own business. |
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Posted: 8/28/2019 8:27:55 AM EST
[#39]
Wouldn't even bother applying there.
Last place i worked, Owner said I get here by 8 and so can you. Start time varied between 6 and 8 depending on how busy we were. I am not a morning person so I was usually late. But there were days i was there 3 or 4 hours late and weekends I worked 20 to 28 hours because we had work to get done. If you are going to be a dick if im 1 minute late dont expect me to stay one minute late. |
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Posted: 8/28/2019 8:28:50 AM EST
[#40]
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I'm all about "be at work on time." But if you guys are bitching about 8:01 instead of 8:00, you're focusing on the wrong things. I’m salary now and still show up 30-45 minutes early every day, and normally end up staying late to get things done. For the hourly guys that work for me....I don’t count the minutes when they clock in. I’m my experience, people who are habitually late (more than 1 minute) are generally people that don’t excel in the job anyway and will likely get weeded out pretty quick. The salary guys that work for me....I couldn’t tell you what time they normally show up or leave....I don’t give a shit. Your either getting the job done or your not...they all work extra hours on the occasions that it’s required and if they leave a few minutes early today I don’t care, it all balances out eventually. |
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Posted: 8/28/2019 8:29:28 AM EST
[#41]
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Pretty sure a decent CAD operator can get a job just about anywhere with little effort. But you go ahead and keep pushing his buttons. Worrying about a minute or two is so short sighted. You can always tell bad management by how anal they get about the non-consequential details instead of focusing on balancing getting the job done well and on time with the happiness and growth of their employees. Happy, well treated employees, produce better work, faster than people treated as cogs in the machine. That whole part in Office Space about how he does just enough to not get fired... that is the mind set you are creating worrying about crap like this. |
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Posted: 8/28/2019 8:30:11 AM EST
[#42]
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If you can consistently come in at 8:05, you can damn sure consistently come in at 7:55. Totally unprofessional. |
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Posted: 8/28/2019 8:31:16 AM EST
[#43]
This is a parody thread, right?
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Posted: 8/28/2019 8:33:44 AM EST
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: He leaves right at the bell....... The guys does good work, but he's going to get fired. Something as simple as getting there 5min early is cheap insurance to keep a well paying job. Same reason you fill up your gas tank in your car before the needle is barried in the red....cheap insurance. I came to a conclusion as an employer: people have their own nuances. If he's a few minutes late, but a good employee, deal with it. If it becomes 20-30minutes, have a conversation..... This is part of why I work for myself. I work when I want to work and only answers to my customers and family. |
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Posted: 8/28/2019 8:34:24 AM EST
[#45]
When I worked at a trucking company I was pretty bad about strolling in 15-20 minutes late every day.
I was pretty much the go to guy for everything and the only person who would ever stay late if asked so they pretty much let me get away with it. One day we get a new terminal manager and he notices this and doesnt care much for it so my immediate boss comes to me one day and asks if we bump my come in time to 9 could I make it on time and still be counted on to stay late if need. Sure sounds great. So now Im getting up at the same time and bored at home so I start coming in at 8:30 anyways. Terminal manager quits and we get another new one. He notices me coming in a half hour later than everyone else and asks my boss about it. My boss tells him my come in time is an hour later than everyone else because I always stay late so to the new boss now it looks like Im going the extra mile by coming in early every day.
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Posted: 8/28/2019 8:34:39 AM EST
[#46]
Logically, a person that gets in trouble for being 2 minutes late to work, should also get in trouble for leaving 2 minutes late after their end of shift time.
Years ago they changed our (salaried)work hours to 40 per week including a lunch hour, so was a 35 hour work week. This also came along with a change of of duties. Several people complained and didnt think they would be able to complete their work in only 35 hours. (Because they still wanted to do the old duties in addition to the new responsibilities). The boss said if you cant get your job done in the alotted time, you were not the right person for the job. |
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Posted: 8/28/2019 8:34:52 AM EST
[#47]
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If you want me at work at 7:45, schedule me at 7:45. That said, when I was hourly, I did try to get to work with a buffer but I'd sit in the parking lot for that extra 5-10 minutes. Clock in time is 8:00? That's when I punch the clock. |
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Posted: 8/28/2019 8:35:05 AM EST
[#48]
If you’re important enough, people will wait for you
 Seriously though, I’ll admit I’ve struggled with tardiness my whole life. I run a land survey crew for a civil engineering firm. We’re expected to show up at 6:15am to get gear together/load trucks and be on our way to the site by 6:30. I usually get there between 6:15 and 6:20, but I’m fully dressed and ready to go, and am usually the first one out of the lot at 6:30 sharp. I also work about an hour longer than the other guys because I work until the job is done instead of blowing off that last little bit for tomorrow. And then stay even later at the office going over/prepping tomorrow’s work so I don’t have to do it in the am. We have several other employees that show up 15-30 minutes early, and they always give me shit. I always point out that those “early birds” show up in flip-flops and shorts (then change into required jeans & boots when they get to the site), they stand around bullshitting all morning and usually take turns stinking up the bathroom with their morning shits (I take care of this at home). Then they meander about and will leave 6:35-6:45 (15 minutes late). They are also the same ones who drop everything at “quitting time”. I may be habitually tardy, but I get the job done, and put in more hours than anyone else. I don’t argue that I should be on time, to set an example...but no one is perfect. In the long run, my employer knows what’s most important. |
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Posted: 8/28/2019 8:35:15 AM EST
[#49]
Are you responding to this thread while on the clock OP?
REPORTED |
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Posted: 8/28/2019 8:35:39 AM EST
[#50]
I’m exempt but am expected to use the punch clock...
Whatever, I’m paid well and it’s not that big of a deal but I see a fair amount of Animal farm going on with the clock. Yes, it’s aggravating, but it’s not a hill I’m willing to die on. If your guy can’t get his shit together and gets let go, he’ll learn. |
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