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Posted: 8/28/2019 9:33:57 AM EST
[#1]
People that can't show up on time, can't be trusted. They're word means nothing. I can't believe how many special snowflakes there are here that bought into the the indoctrination that they were special and can do what they want.
People that are consistently late are the first fired or receive little or no bonus at Christmas, in which case they bitch about that too. |
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Posted: 8/28/2019 9:35:29 AM EST
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Regularly being late tells everyone around you that you are a disorganized slob that doesn’t give a shit about others Do you'll pay them the 15mins when they're early? |
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Posted: 8/28/2019 9:37:52 AM EST
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It's not difficult / hard, and it's generally simple. Imo you're asking the wrong question. Why don't people arrive at work early? I think is closer.... which I think thr answer for the majority is, will always come back to, they don't want to. What's the plan when his replacement shows up early, but can only manage to do about 2/3 the work? |
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Posted: 8/28/2019 9:40:24 AM EST
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People that can't show up on time, can't be trusted. They're word means nothing. I can't believe how many special snowflakes there are here that bought into the the indoctrination that they were special and can do what they want. People that are consistently late are the first fired or receive little or no bonus at Christmas, in which case they bitch about that too. Disregard, I overlooked the part where he sometimes does arrive after 8. |
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Posted: 8/28/2019 9:40:24 AM EST
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the 8:01 employee probably has his watch 1 minute off of the supervisor's watch. Employee believes he's on time because his watch says 8:00, supervisor believes employee is late because his watch says 8:01.
If only there were a simple way to fix this that didn't involve sitting there early and unpaid for 15 minutes prior to 8:00... |
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Posted: 8/28/2019 9:41:10 AM EST
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I don’t work for free. If I start at 8 I will ready to work at 8. If you want me there 740 then pay me, and I will be there at 740. It goes both ways. If work starts at 8:00am........if you hit the parking lot at 7:59, and come walking in the office at 8:02, and by the time you have you PC fired up and start working it's 8:05.......you late..period. If you pull in at 7:50...hit the office at 7:53, have everything fired up and ready to go right at 8:00.....you are good to go. It's a very simple concept.....either you are working by 8:00 or you are not. |
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Posted: 8/28/2019 9:42:29 AM EST
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Honestly showing up at 8, or within a few minutes of 8, is right on time if you told him to be at work at 8. We have a guy who constantly shows up 30 minutes or an hour late everyday. Most guys show up on time. Some of the hourly paid guys who want extra money will show up an hour early. If he's hourly tell him you'd appreciate him showing up quarter till and that those extra 15 minutes add up for a larger paycheck. It'll help incentivize him to show up early. Or you can tell him if he shows up late again he's fired if he's salary.
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Posted: 8/28/2019 9:43:07 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So you need the CAD guy so you can do your job at 8? No reason the floor can't work without the CAD guy. If you're waiting on him, the company has bigger issues. Is that how it works now? |
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Posted: 8/28/2019 9:46:17 AM EST
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Worse yet are the people that show up early and then sit around drinking coffee and talking while doing nothing of importance. Then complain when their job gets busy and need help!
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Posted: 8/28/2019 9:46:28 AM EST
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Did you type this on company time?
Sounds like a fun place to work. |
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Posted: 8/28/2019 9:46:33 AM EST
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Splitting hairs. A sheet metal layout guy isn't going to hold up the line like a production associate. I'm guessing he's programming the laser or punches and those work stations have a stack of programs they need to get through in the morning anyway.
You're probably right, he's going to be fired, but if he's an otherwise good employee, it's your CAD managers fault for being so rigid on a position where he likely doesn't need to be. |
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Posted: 8/28/2019 9:47:19 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If it's a customer (external or internal) facing position that opens at a certain time, then the official work shift should start before that time. E.g. the helpdesk opens at 9:00am? Then the shift should start at 8:45, etc. Same thing at the end of the day. If the window closes at 5pm, then the shift should end at 5:15 or whatever. The problem is, this often creates shifts that are 8.5-9 hours long. Company management can't stand to pay for more than "8 hours", so they say the shift is 8 hours, when in reality it's longer. |
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Posted: 8/28/2019 9:49:15 AM EST
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Did you type this on company time?
Sounds like a fun place to work. |
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Posted: 8/28/2019 9:50:14 AM EST
[#14]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm ok with this....this is the whole point of my OP. If work starts at 8:00am........if you hit the parking lot at 7:59, and come walking in the office at 8:02, and by the time you have you PC fired up and start working it's 8:05.......you late..period. If you pull in at 7:50...hit the office at 7:53, have everything fired up and ready to go right at 8:00.....you are good to go. It's a very simple concept.....either you are working by 8:00 or you are not. |
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Posted: 8/28/2019 9:52:39 AM EST
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I've always tried to get to work early, mostly out of respect for myself, my job, and my employer. 15-20 minutes early is an easy way for me to show that I can be counted on and actually give a fuck about my job.
It's also a great way to stay off the boss's radar, which allows me to slack off in other ways. 
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Posted: 8/28/2019 9:53:38 AM EST
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I'm usually at work at least 15-20 minutes early. Too many calls stack up around shift change. If something comes in around that time, I need to be ready to bolt out the door to respond. For instance, yesterday one of the other on-coming zone car was dispatched to a four car wreck around ten minutes before the shift officially started. If you're on time, you're late, and you're making other people pull your weight if its a routine.
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Posted: 8/28/2019 9:54:47 AM EST
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A professional position that is worried about minutes. Sounds like McDonalds. Need more details about the position before I care. Salary or hourly? Stays late/works extra to complete deadline projects? Job getting done correctly on time/budget/schedule? I roll into work "around" my start time, too. Sometimes a little before, sometimes a little after. It's one of the perks of the position, I set my own hours. |
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Posted: 8/28/2019 9:54:47 AM EST
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I get to work 1 hour early so I can relax, miss traffic, and surf the web. I'm just one of 3 people at work and that includes the boss man.
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Posted: 8/28/2019 9:56:37 AM EST
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Guys showing up early are clock riders, fuck them. I tell my guys if they work their 8 they’re done.
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Posted: 8/28/2019 9:57:03 AM EST
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When I had a civilian job I used to show up early until the plant manager told me to not show up early. He didnt want to have people milling about that might get hurt while not on the clock. So I showed up at 755. 5 minute walk to punch in at 8. I then took 15 minutes or so to prepare for the day. Boss was happy after that.
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Posted: 8/28/2019 9:57:07 AM EST
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Do you even JIT bro?  Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Most manufacturing people don't understand engineering, and the time it takes to produce and double check CAD drawings. If his being 1-2 minutes late to work delayed his drawing by 1-2 minutes, which resulted in an immediate delay for production, you might have a point. Somehow I doubt that's the case here. If you are running your production shop so tight that having a drawing released 1-2 minutes late can halt or delay production, you are doing something wrong in my opinion.
If you're running JIT down to the minute regarding when drawings hit production, good luck with that! 
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Posted: 8/28/2019 9:57:45 AM EST
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As long as people get their work done, I don’t care what time they show up or leave. They can work from home or at work if they want. Why would you dream of firing someone so long as they got their work done and did a good job? Sounds like a power trip for the sake of “respect muh authority”.
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Posted: 8/28/2019 10:02:19 AM EST
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So heres a curveball. I have an employ who's always two or three minutes late. In the morning or back from lunch. He gets out of his truck goes right to work hes non stop all day.
The other employee is always 5 or 10 minutes early in the morning. But when 8 am rolls around he has to smoke a cigarette or go out to the porta potty and take a shit. This also happens at break time and lunch time. Hes a slow and steady kimd of guy. The question I ask is which employee would arfcom rather have. |
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Posted: 8/28/2019 10:02:34 AM EST
[#24]
Double tap.
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Posted: 8/28/2019 10:04:43 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm ok with this....this is the whole point of my OP. If work starts at 8:00am........if you hit the parking lot at 7:59, and come walking in the office at 8:02, and by the time you have you PC fired up and start working it's 8:05.......you late..period. If you pull in at 7:50...hit the office at 7:53, have everything fired up and ready to go right at 8:00.....you are good to go. It's a very simple concept.....either you are working by 8:00 or you are not. 
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Posted: 8/28/2019 10:04:50 AM EST
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So heres a curveball. I have an employ who's always two or three minutes late. In the morning or back from lunch. He gets out of his truck goes right to work hes non stop all day. The other employee is always 5 or 10 minutes early in the morning. But when 8 am rolls around he has to smoke a cigarette or go out to the porta potty and take a shit. This also happens at break time and lunch time. The question I ask is which employee would arfcom rather have. 
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Posted: 8/28/2019 10:06:13 AM EST
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The answer is obvious, who has the hotter wife? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So heres a curveball. I have an employ who's always two or three minutes late. In the morning or back from lunch. He gets out of his truck goes right to work hes non stop all day. The other employee is always 5 or 10 minutes early in the morning. But when 8 am rolls around he has to smoke a cigarette or go out to the porta potty and take a shit. This also happens at break time and lunch time. The question I ask is which employee would arfcom rather have. |
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Posted: 8/28/2019 10:06:14 AM EST
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I get there when I get there, usually between 8:30 and 9:00. I leave when I leave, between 4:30 and 5:30. I get paid to know stuff not do stuff. Anyone that needs to know the stuff I know has my number and can call anytime. I'm responsible for a department that runs 17 hours a day. I'm not working 17 hours a day.
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Posted: 8/28/2019 10:06:24 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So if work starts at 8.....and you show up at 8....but one day you show up at 8:05 because of traffic....that's piss poor planning on your part. |
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Posted: 8/28/2019 10:06:48 AM EST
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Are you sure your location is correct? Are you talking about me? It really seems like you’re talking about me.
 Honestly, the manufacturing company I work for tried to micromanage like this instead of worrying about its larger problems. They are currently facing bankruptcy. I will be leaving in two weeks.
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Posted: 8/28/2019 10:07:03 AM EST
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Do you get paid for the 7mins before 8? I get paid to start work...as in "be at your desk and working" at 8:00. I'm an adult...I can't use excuses like "I overslept" or "I got in a traffic jam" or "I had to wait for the train"....if I come strolling in late. My boss expects me to start my job at 8am......such an easy goal to meet. If I can't do something as easy as that, how would he trust me to get big projects done on time? |
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Posted: 8/28/2019 10:07:10 AM EST
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Piss off good employees with petty stuff like a few minutes in either direction and pretty soon you won't have any good employees left, and the only ones you are able to hire are the ones who are 20 minutes late, if they bother to show up at all.
It's not going to change, OP, the culture has shifted. But yet, somehow work still gets done! |
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Posted: 8/28/2019 10:08:47 AM EST
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260 days per year x 15 minutes = 65 unpaid hours a year.
You are out of your damn mind if you expect that from an employee. Do you stand outside the bathroom with a stopwatch as well? |
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Posted: 8/28/2019 10:08:50 AM EST
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You should be at your job early enough to take care of whatever it is and be ready to work at the appointed time. Not walk in 2 minutes before 8 then go take a shit then make coffee then maybe start work. |
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Posted: 8/28/2019 10:11:20 AM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Nope. And I didn't get paid for the drive to work either. And I didn't get paid for the time it took to drive home either. I get paid to start work...as in "be at your desk and working" at 8:00. I'm an adult...I can't use excuses like "I overslept" or "I got in a traffic jam" or "I had to wait for the train"....if I come strolling in late. My boss expects me to start my job at 8am......such an easy goal to meet. If I can't do something as easy as that, how would he trust me to get big projects done on time? |
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Posted: 8/28/2019 10:11:33 AM EST
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While they're both nice ladies both wives are ugly as hell I would also give them both as much overtime as possible, no need to punish them by sending them home too early. |
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Posted: 8/28/2019 10:11:35 AM EST
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If you're referring to showing up a few minutes early to account for traffic and other uncontrollable things, I agree with you. If you're saying get there early and prep work related things to be ready for work for that day. No, that's not correct and Comcast is the example of that. They were sued and had to pay out overtime pay for Comcast forcing call center employees to login to systems before their start time to be ready for a call exactly at the start of their day. What still amazes me is that my company still says in our work rules that were to be ready for a call at the start of our day despite Comcast having to pay out for this exact same thing. Personally, I typically don't touch my work computer until the start of my day. If my company wants me ready to work at exactly 4pm when I get there, my workstation should already be logged in with my systems opened. Otherwise they can eat a dick and I'll be ready in about 6 minutes because our outsourced IT should win an award for slowest performing applications known to man. Also, if my company decided to get a bug up their ass, they could bring the hammer down for using company systems off the clock. Gotta love working in a toxic Union/Management environment where rules and their interpretations can change at any given minute depending on who in management is enforcing. https://www.overtimepaylaws.org/comcast-overtime-lawsuit/ Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You should be at your job early enough to take care of whatever it is and be ready to work at the appointed time. Not walk in 2 minutes before 8 then go take a shit then make coffee then maybe start work. If you're saying get there early and prep work related things to be ready for work for that day. No, that's not correct and Comcast is the example of that. They were sued and had to pay out overtime pay for Comcast forcing call center employees to login to systems before their start time to be ready for a call exactly at the start of their day. What still amazes me is that my company still says in our work rules that were to be ready for a call at the start of our day despite Comcast having to pay out for this exact same thing. Personally, I typically don't touch my work computer until the start of my day. If my company wants me ready to work at exactly 4pm when I get there, my workstation should already be logged in with my systems opened. Otherwise they can eat a dick and I'll be ready in about 6 minutes because our outsourced IT should win an award for slowest performing applications known to man. Also, if my company decided to get a bug up their ass, they could bring the hammer down for using company systems off the clock. Gotta love working in a toxic Union/Management environment where rules and their interpretations can change at any given minute depending on who in management is enforcing. https://www.overtimepaylaws.org/comcast-overtime-lawsuit/ Prior to that ruling, there was another case where the company, a chemical plant I think, had to pay for the time it took for the employee to don job-required PPE. Wearing the PPE was ruled part of the job so the clock started when they got to the locker room. |
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Posted: 8/28/2019 10:12:07 AM EST
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OP sounds like much quality employee. Gripes about someone else showing up on-time because OP shows up early and doesn't get paid for it. But OP also shitposts on here on company time. OP must live very exciting life.
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Posted: 8/28/2019 10:13:03 AM EST
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In the 2nd example, would he be paid for starting at 7:53 or 8:00? Should he start getting paid as soon as he rolls out of bed? What about as soon as he gets in his car? You want to know a super simple and easy way to never have to worry about any of that shit? Pro Tip......walk in 10min early. BAM.....not only do you not have to worry about being late, you show the boss that you aren't a lazy shit and actually are motivated to work. Apparently this concept has died , along with common courtesy and everything else.... |
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Posted: 8/28/2019 10:13:04 AM EST
[#40]
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Nope. And I didn't get paid for the drive to work either. And I didn't get paid for the time it took to drive home either. I get paid to start work...as in "be at your desk and working" at 8:00. I'm an adult...I can't use excuses like "I overslept" or "I got in a traffic jam" or "I had to wait for the train"....if I come strolling in late. My boss expects me to start my job at 8am......such an easy goal to meet. If I can't do something as easy as that, how would he trust me to get big projects done on time? Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Do you get paid for the 7mins before 8? I get paid to start work...as in "be at your desk and working" at 8:00. I'm an adult...I can't use excuses like "I overslept" or "I got in a traffic jam" or "I had to wait for the train"....if I come strolling in late. My boss expects me to start my job at 8am......such an easy goal to meet. If I can't do something as easy as that, how would he trust me to get big projects done on time? Quoted:
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I don't disagree with you, OP, but this thread won't go well for you. .....because bitching about freeloaders in society is ok......but screwing your employer out of money is cool too. 
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Posted: 8/28/2019 10:14:16 AM EST
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm ok with this....this is the whole point of my OP. If work starts at 8:00am........if you hit the parking lot at 7:59, and come walking in the office at 8:02, and by the time you have you PC fired up and start working it's 8:05.......you late..period. If you pull in at 7:50...hit the office at 7:53, have everything fired up and ready to go right at 8:00.....you are good to go. It's a very simple concept.....either you are working by 8:00 or you are not. https://www.overtimepaylaws.org/comcast-overtime-lawsuit/ While I've never heard of it happening, at my company they could pull some shit with Security and or IT where they could question why I was on a company system when I was not scheduled to be on the clock. I wouldn't be surprised if it has happened in the past, or will happen in the future. |
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Posted: 8/28/2019 10:14:40 AM EST
[#42]
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Standing in an office with your PC off is not working......he needs to start work at 8....he starts getting paid at 8. Should he start getting paid as soon as he rolls out of bed? What about as soon as he gets in his car? You want to know a super simple and easy way to never have to worry about any of that shit? Pro Tip......walk in 10min early. BAM.....not only do you not have to worry about being late, you show the boss that you aren't a lazy shit and actually are motivated to work. Apparently this concept has died , along with common courtesy and everything else.... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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In the 2nd example, would he be paid for starting at 7:53 or 8:00? Should he start getting paid as soon as he rolls out of bed? What about as soon as he gets in his car? You want to know a super simple and easy way to never have to worry about any of that shit? Pro Tip......walk in 10min early. BAM.....not only do you not have to worry about being late, you show the boss that you aren't a lazy shit and actually are motivated to work. Apparently this concept has died , along with common courtesy and everything else.... |
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Posted: 8/28/2019 10:15:19 AM EST
[#43]
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Should you be getting paid for posting on arfcom on company time? 
And I'm salary....I usually work around 45+ hours a week.....and get paid for 40. I can afford to screw off a few minutes a day. |
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Posted: 8/28/2019 10:15:47 AM EST
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Nope. And I didn't get paid for the drive to work either. And I didn't get paid for the time it took to drive home either. I get paid to start work...as in "be at your desk and working" at 8:00. I'm an adult...I can't use excuses like "I overslept" or "I got in a traffic jam" or "I had to wait for the train"....if I come strolling in late. My boss expects me to start my job at 8am......such an easy goal to meet. If I can't do something as easy as that, how would he trust me to get big projects done on time? Work starts the instant you push the power button on the computer, not when you start typing. If I'm at my desk at 8:00, but it takes my computer 10 minutes to boot up, I'm still on the clock for those 10 minutes. If you want me typing by 8:00, then management needs to schedule work hours accordingly. |
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Posted: 8/28/2019 10:15:49 AM EST
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Standing in an office with your PC off is not working......he needs to start work at 8....he starts getting paid at 8. Should he start getting paid as soon as he rolls out of bed? What about as soon as he gets in his car? You want to know a super simple and easy way to never have to worry about any of that shit? Pro Tip......walk in 10min early. BAM.....not only do you not have to worry about being late, you show the boss that you aren't a lazy shit and actually are motivated to work. Apparently this concept has died , along with common courtesy and everything else.... |
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Posted: 8/28/2019 10:15:57 AM EST
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Let me get this right......as long as other people can do their jobs, it's ok for you to show up late?? Is that how it works now? |
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Posted: 8/28/2019 10:16:17 AM EST
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Should you be getting paid for posting on arfcom on company time? |
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Posted: 8/28/2019 10:17:08 AM EST
[#48]
If you have kids or a wife, things don't always go as planned. If the employer wants me there at 745, the clock starts if I'm paid hourly.
I'm teaching a MIG class, so i'm here 45 minutes early to get things organized. I've sat in a bunch of coffee shops and lobbies for 1 hr before the customer appointment, sometimes they only have 15 minutes and if you're late you miss it. I personally hate the rushed feeling. |
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Posted: 8/28/2019 10:18:27 AM EST
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As a counter-argument, if he can be trusted to get big projects done on time, why worry about 1-2 minutes? Work starts the instant you push the power button on the computer, not when you start typing. If I'm at my desk at 8:00, but it takes my computer 10 minutes to boot up, I'm still on the clock for those 10 minutes. If you want me typing by 8:00, then management needs to schedule work hours accordingly. |
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Posted: 8/28/2019 10:18:34 AM EST
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My last job in MN I had a 30+ mile commute. Had been the graphic designer for 6 years there (with about 20 years experience) and I was good at it. Particularly in winter, I might be a few minutes late punching in....like 5 minutes. I’d work that 5 minutes at the end of the day to make up for it. But still got bitched at about it.
Now on a typical January day I like to stroll out on my lunch break in the tropical wonderland where I currently work, making more than 10k more than what I did there ...and NO state income tax...., and check the winter weather up in Cottage Grove, MN ....and chuckle. |
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