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Posted: 6/25/2023 6:21:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So what could I do to get you in a 220 Swift today? How much do you want to pay per month? Do you have a trade-in? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: If I had tons of money I would find some super flat 9000 cartridge that lasted one match but gave me an advantage There's no way it's that bad. |
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Posted: 6/25/2023 6:27:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:  poast practiscore results. |
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Posted: 6/25/2023 6:32:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There's no way it's that bad. .220 swift is a neat cartridge but its not going to be allowed at a lot of matches because of the velocity, and the bullets are the same as .223, just starting out faster. You are going to be better off with 6mm. But yeah just based on the way it looks and what causes barrels to burn out I would assume it torches a barrel even faster than 6 creed. |
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Posted: 6/25/2023 6:36:17 PM EDT
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6 Dasher with 105 Hybrids and 32.5 grains of Varget is the easy button for a PRS rifle
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Posted: 6/25/2023 6:50:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: poast practiscore results. He won't, if he even has any(doubt). I can imagine quite clearly what his "competition" handgun shooting entails. A middle C class would drag him without effort. |
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Posted: 6/25/2023 6:51:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Your reaction to that rational post is a laughing emoji, because you're ignorant of what comprises real shooting skill, especially in competition. |
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Posted: 6/25/2023 7:18:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Your reaction to that rational post is a laughing emoji, because you're ignorant of what comprises real shooting skill, especially in competition. No, my reaction was directed at an irrational post wanting people to do it harder instead of smarter, and your ignorance is enabling this behavior. And the people I respect in skill all run their guns and not their mouths at the community complete with insults and personal attacks. And they also won't be found with basic equipment unless they're being sponsored and paid to do so. No one is sponsoring or paying me, so I do what I want because it takes critical thinking to get me to where I am by doing it smartly and not stupid. And I only compete for the fun of it and to see if I am getting better than I was before because if there is defensive skillset to benefit from during a stressful event (stage) then I am all for it. The argument for making it done harder and not smarter is not training as we'd fight. In fact it's downright ignorant. There is absolute zero need to trash talk someone wanting the best and your zero the never hero was indeed talking down and belittling folks over a problem he has that doesn't exist with other people. |
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Posted: 6/25/2023 7:32:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: And the people I respect in skill all run their guns and not their mouths at the community complete with insults and personal attacks. If that comment isn't dripping with irony I don't know what is. No one is sponsoring or paying me, so I do what I want because it takes critical thinking to get me to where I am by doing it smartly and not stupid. And I only compete for the fun of it and to see if I am getting better than I was before. The problem is that you try to talk like an authority on competition shooting and you clearly... aren't. |
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Posted: 6/25/2023 7:34:37 PM EDT
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So here’s the thing, all the people arguing that you should practice and become good at shooting on lower quality guns/triggers technically aren’t wrong. The fastest I’ve ever improved my handgun shooting/trigger control skills was when I had a Ruger GP100 with a C-More Railway optic on a Weigand picatinny rail. Long, heavy DA trigger pull and a RDS to highlight every twitch and flinch of the muzzle will teach you how to hold a gun on target really well, and several cylinders of 357 Mag loads teach you how to manage significant recoil. Where it really helps is when you then switch back to shooting a hotted-up SAO pistol, suddenly the short, light, crisp trigger pull and comparatively dainty 9mm recoil feels like shooting a point-and-click BB gun.
The difference is when you’re talking about any situation where time, money, or life and limb are potentially on the line, I have zero interest in using the shitty trigger on a revolver or any striker-fired pistol just to prove to myself that I’m JuSt Az GuD when I have access to a tool that is FAR more forgiving and easier to achieve a high level of practical performance with. So yes, use shitty low-performance guns to practice with and increase your personal skill level. Then when it matters, apply that increased personal skill level to a tool with a much higher baseline of performance and capability |
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Posted: 6/25/2023 7:40:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If that comment isn't dripping with irony I don't know what is. The problem is that you try to talk like an authority on competition shooting and you clearly... aren't. Why? Because you ran your mouth at me and lashed out to deflect? That's not irony then, it's just saying so out of spite. No, the problem with you is that you are trying to talk with authority to me with a one sided POV without trying to understand the POV of where I'm coming from just like the other angry fudd, and you both clearly have no clue to why there is even a disconnect here. And the only authority that involves me, is ME in regards to only...ME. |
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Posted: 6/25/2023 7:41:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So here’s the thing, all the people arguing that you should practice and become good at shooting on lower quality guns/triggers technically aren’t wrong. The fastest I’ve ever improved my handgun shooting/trigger control skills was when I had a Ruger GP100 with a C-More Railway optic on a Weigand picatinny rail. Long, heavy DA trigger pull and a RDS to highlight every twitch and flinch of the muzzle will teach you how to hold a gun on target really well, and several cylinders of 357 Mag loads teach you how to manage significant recoil. Where it really helps is when you then switch back to shooting a hotted-up SAO pistol, suddenly the short, light, crisp trigger pull and comparatively dainty 9mm recoil feels like shooting a point-and-click BB gun. The difference is when you’re talking about any situation where time, money, or life and limb are potentially on the line, I have zero interest in using the shitty trigger on a revolver or any striker-fired pistol just to prove to myself that I’m JuSt Az GuD when I have access to a tool that is FAR more forgiving and easier to achieve a high level of practical performance with. So yes, use shitty low-performance guns to practice with and increase your personal skill level. Then when it matters, apply that increased personal skill level to a tool with a much higher baseline of performance and capability No said to do this in a self defense situation. People have tried to confuse the issue to justify why they say it's a requirement you spend $1500 in upgrade to take a class |
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Posted: 6/25/2023 7:43:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There's no way it's that bad. |
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Posted: 6/25/2023 7:45:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Why? Because you ran your mouth at me and lashed out to deflect? That's not irony then, it's just saying so out of spite. No, the problem with you is that you are trying to talk with authority to me with a one sided POV without trying to understand the POV of where I'm coming from just like the other angry fudd, and you both clearly have no clue to why there is even a disconnect here. And the only authority that involves me, is ME in regards to only...ME. LOL, you've been lashing out at multiple people in the thread, so yeah no, it had little to do with me. You seem to have a real problem where people point out that you're wrong. You wanna plink, that's fine. Lots of people do that. There's another world out there where shooting is concerned, and you clearly don't know a thing about it. Don't talk like you do. |
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Posted: 6/25/2023 7:45:37 PM EDT
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What's a typical B8 score shot cold with a Staccato? Just curious. 25 yards/10 shots. Chambers Customs has been posting targets lately scoring 100 7-8X's. I shot a 97 3X cold yesterday with my P80 Zev build at the start of my range day. I mean I'd like a badass custom pistol but I'd be splitting hairs.
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Posted: 6/25/2023 7:47:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No said to do this in a self defense situation. People have tried to confuse the issue to justify why they say it's a requirement you spend $1500 in upgrade to take a class That's what a class teaches. You don't show up with what you're not going to be using to defend yourself with. That's pants on head retarded. You are confusing what you think is needed versus what the other is justifiable in needing. |
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Posted: 6/25/2023 7:53:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That's what a class teaches. You don't show up with what you're not going to be using to defend yourself with. That's pants on head retarded. You are confusing what you think is needed versus what the other is justifiable in needing. Lol not all class are self defense related, most are shooting skill related. Once again, you have shown everyone, you know nothing about shooting. But keep telling everyone they need $1500 worth of gear instead of learning on stock gun |
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Posted: 6/25/2023 7:55:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So here's the thing, all the people arguing that you should practice and become good at shooting on lower quality guns/triggers technically aren't wrong. The fastest I've ever improved my handgun shooting/trigger control skills was when I had a Ruger GP100 with a C-More Railway optic on a Weigand picatinny rail. Long, heavy DA trigger pull and a RDS to highlight every twitch and flinch of the muzzle will teach you how to hold a gun on target really well, and several cylinders of 357 Mag loads teach you how to manage significant recoil. Where it really helps is when you then switch back to shooting a hotted-up SAO pistol, suddenly the short, light, crisp trigger pull and comparatively dainty 9mm recoil feels like shooting a point-and-click BB gun. The difference is when you're talking about any situation where time, money, or life and limb are potentially on the line, I have zero interest in using the shitty trigger on a revolver or any striker-fired pistol just to prove to myself that I'm JuSt Az GuD when I have access to a tool that is FAR more forgiving and easier to achieve a high level of practical performance with. So yes, use shitty low-performance guns to practice with and increase your personal skill level. Then when it matters, apply that increased personal skill level to a tool with a much higher baseline of performance and capability |
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Posted: 6/25/2023 7:55:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Its not talent if you can only do it with one gun Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: @BaconFat Its not talent if you can only do it with one gun 
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Posted: 6/25/2023 7:58:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: He's not entirely wrong 
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Posted: 6/25/2023 7:59:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So when someone hands you a stock handgun and you can't make the same shot, what excuses to you tell yourself so you don't hurt your ego and look like a fool The trigger is too heavy? The sights are different? I'm not used to this sun since I live in Mom's basement? |
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Posted: 6/25/2023 8:01:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: LOL, you've been lashing out at multiple people in the thread, so yeah no, it had little to do with me. You seem to have a real problem where people point out that you're wrong. You wanna plink, that's fine. Lots of people do that. There's another world out there where shooting is concerned, and you clearly don't know a thing about it. Don't talk like you do. LOL, you've been posting troll bait attacks at me the entire time in this thread, and those others atre not even close. One I was talking to telling him that he was incorrect. Your authority appeals hero then chimed in and lashed out at not just at me, then a post stalker troll came in being disingenuous and only posted because he wanted to troll me, and then here is you, also wanting to get in and fight with me over different POV's. You invited yourself to this with me, I never came to you. So yeah but no, it has everything to do with you since you made it this your purpose to argue with me in an unwinnable debate. First, I'd have to be wrong and your real problem with me is that you're not even trying to be fair and understand where I am coming from. And those that are trying to tell me that I am wrong have been unwilling to accept that they were wrong themselves. And the same for you, you want to plink, have at it. Lots of people do this, it's no big secret. However there is indeed another world out there where shooting defensively is concerned and you clearly don't know a thing about it, otherwise you would not be trying to justify doing it harder and not smarter. So don't talk about it like you do. |
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Posted: 6/25/2023 8:01:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: And no one that could win Le Man wouldn't be able to drive a civic well. But that's exactly what we have here. People that say you have to spend $1500 on a gun to take it to a class or that being proud that they can only make a shot with a tricked out gun. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: https://media.tenor.com/lNoJoH_pOrIAAAAC/cartman-poop.gif There’s a reason nobody’s trying to win Le Mans with a Honda Civic And no one that could win Le Man wouldn't be able to drive a civic well. But that's exactly what we have here. People that say you have to spend $1500 on a gun to take it to a class or that being proud that they can only make a shot with a tricked out gun. Nobody is saying that. |
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Posted: 6/25/2023 8:01:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So when someone hands you a stock handgun and you can't make the same shot, what excuses to you tell yourself so you don't hurt your ego and look like a fool The trigger is too heavy? The sights are different? I'm not used to this sun since I live in Mom's basement? Gun's fault. Duh. |
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Posted: 6/25/2023 8:06:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: LOL, you've been posting troll bait attacks at me the entire time in this thread, and those others atre not even close. One I was talking to telling him that he was incorrect. Your authority appeals hero then chimed in and lashed out at not just at me, then a post stalker troll came in being disingenuous and only posted because he wanted to troll me, and then here is you, also wanting to get in and fight with me over different POV's. You invited yourself to this with me, I never came to you. So yeah but no, it has everything to do with you since you made it this your purpose to argue with me in an unwinnable debate. First, I'd have to be wrong and your real problem with me is that you're not even trying to be fair and understand where I am coming from. And those that are trying to tell me that I am wrong have been unwilling to accept that they were wrong themselves. And the same for you, you want to plink, have at it. Lots of people do this, it's no big secret. However there is indeed another world out there where shooting defensively is concerned and you clearly don't know a thing about it, otherwise you would not be trying to justify doing it harder and not smarter. So don't talk about it like you do. "everyone else is wrong and just can't see that I'm right!"  Defensive shooting is not "another world." There is tons of overlap. It takes much longer to get a "tacticool defensive shooter" up to the level of a skilled competition shooter than it does to teach defensive tactics to that same skilled comp shooter. ETA - you started it off with the "CSB" bullshit response to a post not even directed at you. So, look in the mirror. |
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Posted: 6/25/2023 8:06:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Lol not all class are self defense related, most are shooting skill related. Once again, you have shown everyone, you know nothing about shooting. But keep telling everyone they need $1500 worth of gear instead of learning on stock gun Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: That's what a class teaches. You don't show up with what you're not going to be using to defend yourself with. That's pants on head retarded. You are confusing what you think is needed versus what the other is justifiable in needing. Lol not all class are self defense related, most are shooting skill related. Once again, you have shown everyone, you know nothing about shooting. But keep telling everyone they need $1500 worth of gear instead of learning on stock gun I know nothing about shooting and people need $2,500 worth of gear instead of learning on stock guns |
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Posted: 6/25/2023 8:07:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Lol not all class are self defense related, most are shooting skill related. Once again, you have shown everyone, you know nothing about shooting. But keep telling everyone they need $1500 worth of gear instead of learning on stock gun Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: That's what a class teaches. You don't show up with what you're not going to be using to defend yourself with. That's pants on head retarded. You are confusing what you think is needed versus what the other is justifiable in needing. Lol not all class are self defense related, most are shooting skill related. Once again, you have shown everyone, you know nothing about shooting. But keep telling everyone they need $1500 worth of gear instead of learning on stock gun Nobody is saying that. |
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Posted: 6/25/2023 8:07:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Lol not all class are self defense related, most are shooting skill related. Once again, you have shown everyone, you know nothing about shooting. But keep telling everyone they need $1500 worth of gear instead of learning on stock gun Lol, if the classes are to learn to shoot then they are indeed being used to learn how to defend at the basic level. So once again indeed, you have shown everyone yourself that you know nothing about defensive shooting. But indeed keep telling us that we don't need the best kit that we can afford and works to dominate, and to instead learn on a useless dead weight stock gun that is not going to be carried or put in the nightstand. A stock gun will not show you just how bad your presentations are but a red dot will, and a stock gun will enable bad habits. |
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Posted: 6/25/2023 8:08:21 PM EDT
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Damnit. I posted right in the middle of some poo flinging.
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Posted: 6/25/2023 8:09:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Nobody is saying that. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: That's what a class teaches. You don't show up with what you're not going to be using to defend yourself with. That's pants on head retarded. You are confusing what you think is needed versus what the other is justifiable in needing. Lol not all class are self defense related, most are shooting skill related. Once again, you have shown everyone, you know nothing about shooting. But keep telling everyone they need $1500 worth of gear instead of learning on stock gun Nobody is saying that. To be fair I'm leaning into it really hard and I just said that. 
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Posted: 6/25/2023 8:10:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So when someone hands you a stock handgun and you can't make the same shot, what excuses to you tell yourself so you don't hurt your ego and look like a fool The trigger is too heavy? The sights are different? I'm not used to this sun since I live in Mom's basement? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: So when someone hands you a stock handgun and you can't make the same shot, what excuses to you tell yourself so you don't hurt your ego and look like a fool The trigger is too heavy? The sights are different? I'm not used to this sun since I live in Mom's basement? Define “do it”. Win a competition? Hit a man sized target 10 feet away? If you are a serious shooter, you shoot the best gun you can. |
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Posted: 6/25/2023 8:12:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Damnit. I posted right in the middle of some poo flinging. Really stupid poo flinging at that. |
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Posted: 6/25/2023 8:14:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Nobody is saying that. Well, yeah it was said or strongly implied earlier in the thread, and a list was provided of what you "need" so you can shoot the Glock as good as the SVI Open gun. 
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Posted: 6/25/2023 8:17:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I know nothing about shooting and people need $2,500 worth of gear instead of learning on stock guns Damn, my new P226 X-Five was only $2,400 and will be stock from the time I pick it up to when I get home I guess I’ll have to throw it out and hide my shame
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Posted: 6/25/2023 8:19:21 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So when someone hands you a stock handgun and you can't make the same shot, what excuses to you tell yourself so you don't hurt your ego and look like a fool The trigger is too heavy? The sights are different? I'm not used to this sun since I live in Mom's basement? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: So when someone hands you a stock handgun and you can't make the same shot, what excuses to you tell yourself so you don't hurt your ego and look like a fool The trigger is too heavy? The sights are different? I'm not used to this sun since I live in Mom's basement? I can consistently shoot my STI better than my 226 and a lot better than I can shoot a glock 26 especially if it is at 50+ yards and/or a smaller target. Why is it that pretty much nobody at the top level shoots a stock glock? Something similar to my Edge is so much easier to shoot than a Glock 17. |
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Posted: 6/25/2023 8:20:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Damn, my new P226 X-Five was only $2,400 and will be stock from the time I pick it up to when I get home I guess I’ll have to throw it out and hide my shameQuote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I know nothing about shooting and people need $2,500 worth of gear instead of learning on stock guns Damn, my new P226 X-Five was only $2,400 and will be stock from the time I pick it up to when I get home I guess I’ll have to throw it out and hide my shameIt is okay just buy some MBX mags you can get over the hump easy |
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Posted: 6/25/2023 8:20:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: To be fair I'm leaning into it really hard and I just said that. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: That's what a class teaches. You don't show up with what you're not going to be using to defend yourself with. That's pants on head retarded. You are confusing what you think is needed versus what the other is justifiable in needing. Lol not all class are self defense related, most are shooting skill related. Once again, you have shown everyone, you know nothing about shooting. But keep telling everyone they need $1500 worth of gear instead of learning on stock gun Nobody is saying that. To be fair I'm leaning into it really hard and I just said that. 
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Posted: 6/25/2023 8:23:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: "everyone else is wrong and just can't see that I'm right!" Defensive shooting is not "another world." There is tons of overlap. It takes much longer to get a "tacticool defensive shooter" up to the level of a skilled competition shooter than it does to teach defensive tactics to that same skilled comp shooter. "I'm calling it everyone but really its just me and another narcist person telling him that he's wrong, and he won't listen to us as authority figures to supervise him with" ROFLMAO indeed. It's all overlap, but your disconnect is thinking that I want to be a Jerry Miculek or care to get to that level of mastery. I don't. I just want to be better than I was before which is a totally different world from why you two are doing it. I don't do gun golf to compete and make a name for myself. I do it for me and me alone. And I want it to be fun for me using what I would be using for real, not some piece of dead weight stock gun that has zero purpose or utility. |
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Posted: 6/25/2023 8:28:51 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted: If you are a serious shooter, you shoot the best gun you can. So the grandmasters at my club who got there with a stock Glock, they aren't serious shooters? LOL. |
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Posted: 6/25/2023 8:30:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: your disconnect is thinking that I want to be a Jerry Miculek or care to get to that level of mastery. Uh, no not at all. It's clear that you don't. And I never said that you did. But you're trying to dictate what others need to get there. |
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Posted: 6/25/2023 8:34:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't. I just want to be better than I was before |
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Posted: 6/25/2023 8:41:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Uh, no not at all. It's clear that you don't. And I never said that you did. But you're trying to dictate what others need to get there. No, uh, not at all as well. I have been more than clear that I never will be either, so I don't understand why you had to say that because it's not a goal of mine. Are your feelings hurt because I don't want to take competing seriously or even want to classify? That's strange to be upset over. And you were dictating to me what I need to do along with the other fudd, I was only dictating what my own needs are and saying from personal experiences what people are actually showing up with that I have seen in person or are using themselves that are way more advanced shooters than many on here. That is not dictating, that's an observation of things that ether happened or are currently ongoing. |
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Posted: 6/25/2023 8:42:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There's an easy button for that. It's calling training on guns that are harder to shoot. No one is suggesting you should handicap yourself with harder to shoot guns during competitions or defensive shootings. You should always carry and compete with the best you can afford. You train with the hard stuff so that the easy stuff becomes even easier. Yes the trigger on a 2011 is easy. Master the fundamentals on a revolver or Glock and the 2011 is even easier because the fundamentals transfer over. Just like shooting with a red dot makes you a better irons shooter because it forces better presentation. So too a worse trigger forces you to have better trigger control. That doesn't mean you handicap yourself when it counts. You do it during training so you'll be better when it counts. Most guys get good on some sort of "shit" gun then they get an Open gun and they all say it's "cheating." Yeah, it's easier, all else equal. But there are downsides, obviously the gun costing 6-10K, shooting 9 major breaks shit, more maintenance is needed, etc. |
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Posted: 6/25/2023 8:46:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I can consistently shoot my STI better than my 226 and a lot better than I can shoot a glock 26 especially if it is at 50+ yards and/or a smaller target. Why is it that pretty much nobody at the top level shoots a stock glock? Something similar to my Edge is so much easier to shoot than a Glock 17. Basically there are so many issues with 1911s that a slightly better trigger isn't really worth it. Probably the biggest Glock fans are the hardcore 1911 shooters. The US Army's Delta Force used to just run hand-built 1911s but went over to Glocks. You don't have to re-stake a plunger tube, tune a grip safety, tune an extractor, worry about weak mag springs, etc. For practical carry 1911s are extremely heavy and you can find that the thumb safety has been inadvertently swiped off if you're using a leather IWB holster. The Staccato actually fixes several issues with the 1911 like going to an integral plunger tube, which is nice. But has the superior doublestack 9mm 1911 already been invented and is it called the CZ-75, particularly the latest variants like the Shadow 2? Just a question. I thought my 1911 was awesome and since I had been practicing a ton with it, surely it would perform far better than my Gen 2 G22. The range results showed that I was shooting both about the same, and the old Gen 2 G22 in .40 isn't supposed to be that easy to shoot. Here is a good article: http://modernserviceweapons.com/?p=3563#more-3563 |
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Posted: 6/25/2023 8:53:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: A stock gun will not show you just how bad your presentations are but a red dot will, and a stock gun will enable bad habits.  WTF. Clown shoes |
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Posted: 6/25/2023 8:54:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There's an easy button for that. It's calling training on guns that are harder to shoot. No one is suggesting you should handicap yourself with harder to shoot guns during competitions or defensive shootings. You should always carry and compete with the best you can afford. You train with the hard stuff so that the easy stuff becomes even easier. Yes the trigger on a 2011 is easy. Master the fundamentals on a revolver or Glock and the 2011 is even easier because the fundamentals transfer over. Just like shooting with a red dot makes you a better irons shooter because it forces better presentation. So too a worse trigger forces you to have better trigger control. That doesn't mean you handicap yourself when it counts. You do it during training so you'll be better when it counts. That's a hard button actually, If I were to be training on a gun that won't be using it would make it harder for me to shoot to defend with. So yes, you are suggesting this exact thing. I have already stated to train and compete with the best that I can afford. Training on harder stuff that will not be used to do the other things does make it harder and not smarter. I master muscle memory with the 40/60. A worse trigger becomes not fun to shoot, so my skills would perish because I'd no longer want to be shooting such a useless piece of dead weight. Rather counterintuitive to suggest what you're saying because I would no longer want to participate. Do you want us to be proficient with what we are going to carry and compete with and to be fun that motivates us to get out there? Or do you want us to feel like it's a job that no one wants to do, a pained chore to that we won't care to remember, and ends up being not done and prolonged to the point where perishable skills suffer because of it? Choose wisely because those are the only two outcomes which is the reality here. |
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Posted: 6/25/2023 8:55:41 PM EDT
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Posted: 6/25/2023 8:58:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That's a hard button actually |
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Posted: 6/25/2023 9:01:30 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryQuote HistoryWhat was your old username |
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Posted: 6/25/2023 9:02:29 PM EDT
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there is really not much difference between a basic glock 45 with a timney alpha trigger and a tuned recoil spring and guide rod for your ammo versus a poors 2011 like a staccato
now a custom 2011 tuned to your ammo from a top 2011 pistol smith is better than sex |
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Posted: 6/25/2023 9:02:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: WTF. Clown shoes LOL, I missed that gem.
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