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Quoted: My favorite is “I think it’s good to go through a hoe phase”. Usually said when they’re trying to recover from same. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: There is always going to be a simp out there willing to be the 200th guy. "The past shouldn't matter" says the women with a reckless past. ...and women actually think being a hoe can be just a "phase". If a women was ever a hoe, she will always be a hoe. She can't un-fuck all those guys she fucked in the past. If she did 150 guys, that number will never be less than 150. |
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Quoted: I’m not saying a man should chase after what is repugnant to him. I’m saying don’t prioritize appearance over substance. If you let a pretty face cover for a shitty or absent personality, the pretty face will eventually go away or the novelty will wear off, and all you’ll be left with is a shitty or absent personality. Dropping or passing over a girl that’s decent and has quality character in spades for a drop dead gorgeous borderline or a games-playing gold digger simply because the drop dead gorgeous one is prettier and available is a poor choice that will lead to poor outcomes. View Quote We agree on that |
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Quoted: The baseline minimum of attractiveness isn't static. The more options a man has, the higher that baseline is often set. When I was way out of shape, I was very forgiving in what I considered attractive enough in women. As I exercised and got more fit, I found myself becoming more judgmental. Anecdote doesn't make it a general fact, but I don't see many successful men who are still single choosing relationships with homely or even average looking women. View Quote FWIW, I have not noticed this myself. Through various stages of fitness, weight gain and loss, etc., my baseline for what I find attractive did not change - or at least did not change beyond keeping in pace with age (as I've mentioned in other threads before, I always tend to find women close to my own age most attractive). Then again, I've never really had options to begin with, and noticed no change in that area when I went from my fattest to my fittest. |
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Quoted: The baseline minimum of attractiveness isn't static. The more options a man has, the higher that baseline is often set. When I was way out of shape, I was very forgiving in what I considered attractive enough in women. As I exercised and got more fit, I found myself becoming more judgmental. Anecdote doesn't make it a general fact, but I don't see many successful men who are still single choosing relationships with homely or even average looking women. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: No disagreement at all on the first sentence of your last paragraph. But that is fundamentally different from the claim made. Of course there is a baseline minimum of attractiveness that has to be met. Beyond that? You cannot separate human biological impulses from the cultures that shape and inform them. And, successful cultures universally decry sexual immorality for a reason. The very concept of morality is of a cultural meme that propagates and advances behaviors across generations. The more options a man has, the higher that baseline is often set. When I was way out of shape, I was very forgiving in what I considered attractive enough in women. As I exercised and got more fit, I found myself becoming more judgmental. Anecdote doesn't make it a general fact, but I don't see many successful men who are still single choosing relationships with homely or even average looking women. The relevant whether here is whether such a man "trades up" (to use that term) the moment he perceives the opportunity. A quality man is readily able to realize that the idea is absurd, as is a quality woman. The idea is repulsive to most, regardless of how objectively attractive the woman is, or how powerful/successful the man is. It's a moral failing. Decent men don't, just as decent women don't. It goes against cultural grains for the same reason, it's behavior detrimental to social stability and family harmony. Does it happen? Yes. Is it frowned upon? Yes. Why have cultures evolved to frown on such behaviors, and why have men and women evolved to see such behaviors as detrimental, beyond whatever short-term dopamine rush might be possible? People just like to make excuses for boorish behavior nowadays. It's kind of like our "thing." |
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Quoted: The relevant whether here is whether such a man "trades up" (to use that term) the moment he perceives the opportunity. A quality man is readily able to realize that the idea is absurd, as is a quality woman. The idea is repulsive to most, regardless of how objectively attractive the woman is, or how powerful/successful the man is. It's a moral failing. Decent men don't, just as decent women don't. It goes against cultural grains for the same reason, it's behavior detrimental to social stability and family harmony. Does it happen? Yes. Is it frowned upon? Yes. Why have cultures evolved to frown on such behaviors, and why have men and women evolved to see such behaviors as detrimental, beyond whatever short-term dopamine rush might be possible? People just like to make excuses for boorish behavior nowadays. It's kind of like our "thing." View Quote If you think human nature has changed that much, you're right in line with the folks who think we're too evolved to need guns. |
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Quoted: I would say cultures have evolved, but men and women maybe not. Culture and cultural pressure is what protects us from our instincts. If you think human nature has changed that much, you're right in line with the folks who think we're too evolved to need guns. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: The relevant whether here is whether such a man "trades up" (to use that term) the moment he perceives the opportunity. A quality man is readily able to realize that the idea is absurd, as is a quality woman. The idea is repulsive to most, regardless of how objectively attractive the woman is, or how powerful/successful the man is. It's a moral failing. Decent men don't, just as decent women don't. It goes against cultural grains for the same reason, it's behavior detrimental to social stability and family harmony. Does it happen? Yes. Is it frowned upon? Yes. Why have cultures evolved to frown on such behaviors, and why have men and women evolved to see such behaviors as detrimental, beyond whatever short-term dopamine rush might be possible? People just like to make excuses for boorish behavior nowadays. It's kind of like our "thing." If you think human nature has changed that much, you're right in line with the folks who think we're too evolved to need guns. Yet the culture is to blame for the apparent widespread sport fucking we just "know" all women do these days because Instagram? |
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Quoted: How many LTRs have you had with women of awesome character that you weren't physically attracted to? "High value" gets thrown around a lot and I can see how it gets frustrating based on individual tastes and experiences. Still, are some commonalities that most people recognize if they pay attention to the world around them:
View Quote That interview with Paulina was very interesting. At 20 she was stole another woman's husband and was complaining how current peer age men won't give her the time of day. They want younger more attractive women. |
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Quoted: Yet the culture is to blame for the apparent widespread sport fucking we just "know" all women do these days because Instagram? View Quote Also, there is the idea that social constructs will eventually be overcome by nature. I'm not sure if that would tie in here or not. |
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Quoted: I read this entire post and I am so thankful for my wife of 39 years. There is no way I would have even considered a long term relationship with the gal in the OP. The last girl I dated before I met my wife was a friend of the secretary at my gas processing plant. She set me up on a blind date with her. She was also banging a guy that worked at my plant, I did not know that. We dated for a while, but she was fucking crazy, started stalking me and calling my apartment. Got away from that real quick and glad I did. Met my wife three months later....and have been married for 39 years. Funny turn of events. The crazy girls mother and my eventual mother in law were friends and belonged to a local artist club together. When I started dating my wife, it made for a strained relationship between them. Crazy girls mom wanted to get her daughter married and she saw me as a good catch, single engineer with a major oil company, making excellent money. View Quote Because you were. |
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Quoted: I’m not saying a man should chase after what is repugnant to him. I’m saying don’t prioritize appearance over substance. If you let a pretty face cover for a shitty or absent personality, the pretty face will eventually go away or the novelty will wear off, and all you’ll be left with is a shitty or absent personality. Dropping or passing over a girl that’s decent and has quality character in spades for a drop dead gorgeous borderline or a games-playing gold digger simply because the drop dead gorgeous one is prettier and available is a poor choice that will lead to poor outcomes. View Quote That is why you seek out the pretty one with all the quality characteristics. The pretty ones who are ugly inside are not LTR material. |
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Quoted: I get that a lot. I'm certainly not saying a man shouldn't work to be impressive. They definitely should. I'm saying a woman being attractive doesn't make her high value. It just makes her attractive. And a woman that is just attractive is not going to hold my attention longer than a second or two. I certainly wouldn't call her successful because she's pretty. The things that make a woman high value are the same as for men. Being good at something, working hard at it, being a trustworthy person, being fun to be around and to talk to, etc. And any woman that wants my attention needs to be working on themselves just as hard as I am. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: That’s pretty gay. Jk I get that a lot. Quoted: But still, you had that initial qualifier. With women there isn’t really one. The dude has to be impressive. It could be looks, a skill, success, etc. Usually has to be a combination. The point being we usually have to work harder to gain worth, whereas women are born with it. They can increase worth too by having the qualities you listed. But they don’t need to be successful. I'm certainly not saying a man shouldn't work to be impressive. They definitely should. I'm saying a woman being attractive doesn't make her high value. It just makes her attractive. And a woman that is just attractive is not going to hold my attention longer than a second or two. I certainly wouldn't call her successful because she's pretty. The things that make a woman high value are the same as for men. Being good at something, working hard at it, being a trustworthy person, being fun to be around and to talk to, etc. And any woman that wants my attention needs to be working on themselves just as hard as I am. But you wood soak though, right? |
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Quoted: I've been married 32+ years and if anything happens to my wife I'll likely remain subsequently single. https://media.makeameme.org/created/whores-whores-everywhere.jpg View Quote That's what I told a buddy of mine. If I did remarry somehow she'd have to be amish or some shit. But trying to find a wife nowadays out of what's out there? I'd rather be single. |
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Quoted: Sure. Changing culture will change the outcome. It can encourage or discourage certain behaviors. Also, there is the idea that social constructs will eventually be overcome by nature. I'm not sure if that would tie in here or not. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Yet the culture is to blame for the apparent widespread sport fucking we just "know" all women do these days because Instagram? Also, there is the idea that social constructs will eventually be overcome by nature. I'm not sure if that would tie in here or not. These also seem to be manifestations of nature. It's just not a normal healthy response for a man or woman to leave a long term relationship just because something better looking in some sense gets waved in front of it. Those are deeply entrenched taboos, like incest, hitting up 16 year-olds, etc. "Deviant" is a move away from the established norm, by definition. |
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Problem for women living their best life, whoring or focusing on careers and waiting until later in life to marry / have a family is 3 fold.
1. Having children is physically easier on women when they are younger, and fewer complications, easier to get pregnant, etc. 2. It’s easier for a woman to attract a husband the younger they are, looks fade, and each year it gets harder to find a husband, plus, no man wants to marry a career whore who’s fucked 500 dudes. 3. Few 40 year old men want to marry a 40 year old chick to START a family with. Why pick a grumpy, demanding, 40 year old, with fading looks, who’s desperately trying to beat her biological clock , who’s highly likely to have child bearing issues and be exhausted 24/7/365 , when they can just as easily marry a happy, easy going, fun, friendly, energetic, hot 25 year old who loves to fuck to start their family with. Women seem to think men are interested in career women / the woman’s income, that might be true for soy boys who barely work, but traditionally men don’t really put much emphasis on the woman having a career / high paying job, they would rather have a wife / mother who focuses most of her time / energy raising the kids and running the house hold. Everything about women living their best life / focusing on careers / waiting until later in life to have a family is the total OPPOSITE of what’s been proven to work through out history, and that extends into today. Be a career girl / whore and wait… good chance you won’t be having that family, be a bitter childless washed up skank, or your likely going to be a single mom when / if it does happen, |
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Quoted: I've been married 32+ years and if anything happens to my wife I'll likely remain subsequently single. https://media.makeameme.org/created/whores-whores-everywhere.jpg View Quote This. I’m getting married oct 1st, been dating for 10 years, living together for 6. I got super lucky and found a old school values, really grounded, religious farm girl who’s loyal as hell. I was single in 2012 and tried dating for a year and good god did it suck, crazy whores everywhere, if not crazy they were single moms with long lists of demands. Luckily my chick jumped me, shocked me as we were just friends, but I grabbed her quick as she’s awesome. If she died or something I doubt I’d even look for another LTR chick, as it would be about impossible, probably just find a few no strings, friends with benefits to keep me company when I got lonely, vs trying to seriously find another gem out of the hordes of painted whores and desperate single moms and old chicks looking for retirement plans. |
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Quoted: That's what I told a buddy of mine. If I did remarry somehow she'd have to be amish or some shit. But trying to find a wife nowadays out of what's out there? I'd rather be single. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: I've been married 32+ years and if anything happens to my wife I'll likely remain subsequently single. https://media.makeameme.org/created/whores-whores-everywhere.jpg That's what I told a buddy of mine. If I did remarry somehow she'd have to be amish or some shit. But trying to find a wife nowadays out of what's out there? I'd rather be single. I’m right there with ya’ll. Wife & I have had some very frank conversations about what we see our lives like if one of us was suddenly not there. We really don’t see our selves as looking real hard ever. We just feel we’d always be reminded of them in one way or another, that somehow we’d be lessening our time together, or flat out be betraying what we had. It’s just a contemplation I don’t like thinking about. |
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Quoted: These also seem to be manifestations of nature. It's just not a normal healthy response for a man or woman to leave a long term relationship just because something better looking in some sense gets waved in front of it. Those are deeply entrenched taboos, like incest, hitting up 16 year-olds, etc. "Deviant" is a move away from the established norm, by definition. View Quote I came into this discussion late so I think maybe we are kind of talking in different contexts. |
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Quoted: This. I’m getting married oct 1st, been dating for 10 years, living together for 6. I got super lucky and found a old school values, really grounded, religious farm girl who’s loyal as hell. I was single in 2012 and tried dating for a year and good god did it suck, crazy whores everywhere, if not crazy they were single moms with long lists of demands. Luckily my chick jumped me, shocked me as we were just friends, but I grabbed her quick as she’s awesome. If she died or something I doubt I’d even look for another LTR chick, as it would be about impossible, probably just find a few no strings, friends with benefits to keep me company when I got lonely, vs trying to seriously find another gem out of the hordes of painted whores and desperate single moms and old chicks looking for retirement plans. View Quote I wish you all of the best, but "been dating for 10 years, living together for 6. " Is difficult to juxtapose with, "got super lucky and found a old school values, really grounded, religious farm girl" Again, I wish you both the best, and as someone who is also making my LTR official in a few months, I feel much as you do about the dire prospect of having to prospect in the current crop of US womenfolk. Ugh. |
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Quoted: Problem for women living their best life, whoring or focusing on careers and waiting until later in life to marry / have a family is 3 fold. 1. Having children is physically easier on women when they are younger, and fewer complications, easier to get pregnant, etc. 2. It’s easier for a woman to attract a husband the younger they are, looks fade, and each year it gets harder to find a husband, plus, no man wants to marry a career whore who’s fucked 500 dudes. 3. Few 40 year old men want to marry a 40 year old chick to START a family with. Why pick a grumpy, demanding, 40 year old, with fading looks, who’s desperately trying to beat her biological clock , who’s highly likely to have child bearing issues and be exhausted 24/7/365 , when they can just as easily marry a happy, easy going, fun, friendly, energetic, hot 25 year old who loves to fuck to start their family with. Women seem to think men are interested in career women / the woman’s income, that might be true for soy boys who barely work, but traditionally men don’t really put much emphasis on the woman having a career / high paying job, they would rather have a wife / mother who focuses most of her time / energy raising the kids and running the house hold. Everything about women living their best life / focusing on careers / waiting until later in life to have a family is the total OPPOSITE of what’s been proven to work through out history, and that extends into today. Be a career girl / whore and wait… good chance you won’t be having that family, be a bitter childless washed up skank, or your likely going to be a single mom when / if it does happen, View Quote Quality post |
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Quoted: I'm not saying a man should chase after what is repugnant to him. I'm saying don't prioritize appearance over substance. If you let a pretty face cover for a shitty or absent personality, the pretty face will eventually go away or the novelty will wear off, and all you'll be left with is a shitty or absent personality. Dropping or passing over a girl that's decent and has quality character in spades for a drop dead gorgeous borderline or a games-playing gold digger simply because the drop dead gorgeous one is prettier and available is a poor choice that will lead to poor outcomes. View Quote |
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Any man who wife’s a lady with triple digit body count gets what they deserve. Statistically it’s not wise after 2.
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I bet she could do more tricks on a 6” dick than a monkey could on a 50’ rope.
Low experience girls just can’t compete in the sheets. |
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Yeaappp Attached File If she's not experienced, whatever, if I like her I like her. She can learn the playbook over time |
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Quoted: Comparing populations with similar access to sex (gay men and straight women) shows that’s not really true. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Most women like to fuck just as much as most men. Comparing populations with similar access to sex (gay men and straight women) shows that’s not really true. @StevenH +1 Absolutely. Most young women like sex but libido (psychological and physical) falls off far more quickly than in men. |
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Quoted: I just was curious if he realized how that reads. Like he put the wife to sleep by having sex with her. I mean maybe not. But even when I haven’t been great, I know - for a fact - I have never put the wife to sleep. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Uh what now…? uh he is an alpha sex-haver and you are but a mgtow-nerd-beta. or something. I just was curious if he realized how that reads. Like he put the wife to sleep by having sex with her. I mean maybe not. But even when I haven’t been great, I know - for a fact - I have never put the wife to sleep. @macman37 Maybe he put her to sleep (ether, Benzos, etc), then had sex with her. |
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Quoted: Poor girl is mentally ill. She needs a therapist and possibly meds, not internet thumbsie-uppies View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted:
Poor girl is mentally ill. She needs a therapist and possibly meds, not internet thumbsie-uppies @Geralt55 There are definitely snakes up in her head. There is nothing normal or healthy about that behavior. That’s merely an observation: She is certainly free to engage in self-destructive behavior as we can all do at times and to a certain degree. |
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Quoted: @Geralt55 There are definitely snakes up in her head. There is nothing normal or healthy about that behavior. That’s merely an observation: She is certainly free to engage in self-destructive behavior as we can all do at times and to a certain degree. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted:
Poor girl is mentally ill. She needs a therapist and possibly meds, not internet thumbsie-uppies @Geralt55 There are definitely snakes up in her head. There is nothing normal or healthy about that behavior. That’s merely an observation: She is certainly free to engage in self-destructive behavior as we can all do at times and to a certain degree. What sucks about social media of today? In some cases we normalized/feed bad behaviors/mental illnesses. Instead of hiding this, this girl now has a platform, attention, "haters" - guys who want to be #157, 158 etc. It's sort of like, social media is keeping her on the stripper pole. |
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View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: ... It's sort of like, social media is keeping her on the stripper pole. https://c.tenor.com/_KpMaU7u3CYAAAAM/think-thinking.gif "Hmm, intardasting" |
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Quoted: @macman37 Maybe he put her to sleep (ether, Benzos, etc), then had sex with her. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Uh what now…? uh he is an alpha sex-haver and you are but a mgtow-nerd-beta. or something. I just was curious if he realized how that reads. Like he put the wife to sleep by having sex with her. I mean maybe not. But even when I haven’t been great, I know - for a fact - I have never put the wife to sleep. @macman37 Maybe he put her to sleep (ether, Benzos, etc), then had sex with her. *entirely* plausible |
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Quit your job so you can have more time to lift weights. Get more tattoos.
When you meet up with her, beat her. She's stupid and will think that is attractive. Now that you are unemployed, this shitty society will cater to you in all sorts of ways. Enjoy it. Start experimenting with drugs (booze isnn't enough). The worse a person you are, the more pussy you will get, and the more modern society will love you. Ignore the boomers on gun forums. |
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Quoted: I read this entire post and I am so thankful for my wife of 39 years. There is no way I would have even considered a long term relationship with the gal in the OP. The last girl I dated before I met my wife was a friend of the secretary at my gas processing plant. She set me up on a blind date with her. She was also banging a guy that worked at my plant, I did not know that. We dated for a while, but she was fucking crazy, started stalking me and calling my apartment. Got away from that real quick and glad I did. Met my wife three months later....and have been married for 39 years. Funny turn of events. The crazy girls mother and my eventual mother in law were friends and belonged to a local artist club together. When I started dating my wife, it made for a strained relationship between them. Crazy girls mom wanted to get her daughter married and she saw me as a good catch, single engineer with a major oil company, making excellent money. View Quote @77Bronc Of course she did. Then she’d become your problem. |
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Quoted: I’m not saying a man should chase after what is repugnant to him. I’m saying don’t prioritize appearance over substance. If you let a pretty face cover for a shitty or absent personality, the pretty face will eventually go away or the novelty will wear off, and all you’ll be left with is a shitty or absent personality. Dropping or passing over a girl that’s decent and has quality character in spades for a drop dead gorgeous borderline or a games-playing gold digger simply because the drop dead gorgeous one is prettier and available is a poor choice that will lead to poor outcomes. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Is it? Or is that how you are interpreting it? Of course that's how I'm interpreting it, I don't think you'd ever be so ........blunt about it. So you're saying DONT pork or marry the hambeasts unless you're into flour and fat rolls ? Or is it, if she's got a really great personality , a guy should overlook needing the flour ? It's one or the other . Unless hes a guy hambeast , then yeah , he might have to go that route . I’m not saying a man should chase after what is repugnant to him. I’m saying don’t prioritize appearance over substance. If you let a pretty face cover for a shitty or absent personality, the pretty face will eventually go away or the novelty will wear off, and all you’ll be left with is a shitty or absent personality. Dropping or passing over a girl that’s decent and has quality character in spades for a drop dead gorgeous borderline or a games-playing gold digger simply because the drop dead gorgeous one is prettier and available is a poor choice that will lead to poor outcomes. @Naamah I have definitely seen this from time to time: A good-looking, successful guy with a woman who seems to be below him in the looks department. When I’ve gotten to know more about the woman, it is obvious that they are well-grounded, intelligent and fun to be around. They usually meet in the same professional circle and then the romance blossoms from there. |
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If a man fucked 156 women by age 25 you'd want to high five rhe son of a bitch. He'd be a stud.
Well this bitch happens to be a whore because she did exactly that. Yeah yeah I know it's easy for women. Don't get me wrong. I am a chauvinist by most standards but your posts smack of double standards. Work your noodles a little harder, gents. It's getting boring. |
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Quoted: If a man fucked 156 women by age 25 you'd want to high five rhe son of a bitch. He'd be a stud. Well this bitch happens to be a whore because she did exactly that. Yeah yeah I know it's easy for women. Don't get me wrong. I am a chauvinist by most standards but your posts smack of double standards. Work your noodles a little harder, gents. It's getting boring. View Quote There is a double standard. What people should be trying to understand is, "Why is there a double standard?" The current social consensus that denies the double standard is a historical anomaly in human society. |
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Quoted: ...and women actually think being a hoe can be just a "phase". If a women was ever a hoe, she will always be a hoe. She can't un-fuck all those guys she fucked in the past. If she did 150 guys, that number will never be less than 150. View Quote Take that thing out to the shop and get it re-cored and she'll be good as new. |
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