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Posted: 1/2/2019 9:40:01 AM EDT
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China has been saying this for decades. Many decades.
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Posted: 1/2/2019 9:41:18 AM EDT
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Oh, another thing. Nuke China over Taiwan?
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Posted: 1/2/2019 9:42:10 AM EDT
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I'm not even sure China could beat Taiwan in a straight up fight. I don't think China is either, else it would have already been attempted.
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Posted: 1/2/2019 9:43:03 AM EDT
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Hong Kong was a 100 year British/Chinese treaty.
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Posted: 1/2/2019 9:43:06 AM EDT
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Blame the Brits for Hong Kong they are the ones who gave it up.
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Posted: 1/2/2019 9:43:48 AM EDT
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Don't they have a fairly decent military ?
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Posted: 1/2/2019 9:44:54 AM EDT
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If the ex-pats could move to Taiwan, why can't they move farther?
Evac anyone who doesn't want to live under Chinese rule, blow up anything valuable, and let China have it. |
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Posted: 1/2/2019 9:47:02 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
Blame the Brits for Hong Kong they are the ones who gave it up. |
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Posted: 1/2/2019 9:47:40 AM EDT
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I wonder if Taiwan has missile long-range enough to reach Three Gorge Dam.
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Posted: 1/2/2019 9:48:23 AM EDT
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Like crimea.....
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Posted: 1/2/2019 9:49:12 AM EDT
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Did they not get the word that Hillary didn't win?
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Posted: 1/2/2019 9:49:27 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
Oh, another thing. Nuke China over Taiwan? Their government is soon-to-be ingsoc incarnate, they must be stopped. Eta, I'm a defacto Taoist, so perhaps I have more skin in the game then most @NickGunar |
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Posted: 1/2/2019 9:49:28 AM EDT
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Too many people and the island will flip over like Guam.
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Posted: 1/2/2019 9:50:06 AM EDT
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Peak Wolf Gold?
Reminds me, I need a T91 upper. |
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Posted: 1/2/2019 9:51:15 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The British rent expired in Hong Kong, so, they moved out according to the lease agreement. |
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Posted: 1/2/2019 9:52:42 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
The British rent expired in Hong Kong, so, they moved out according to the lease agreement. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Blame the Brits for Hong Kong they are the ones who gave it up. On the other hand handing over 'free' people to a despotic dictaorshit is never justified and the people of HK should have demanded the Brits leave them with a robust strategic nuke arsenal. Guess liberty or death thingy doesnt trump a quick buck. |
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Posted: 1/2/2019 9:53:30 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
Like crimea..... |
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Posted: 1/2/2019 9:56:53 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Not doing so could (legit) be considered a foreign occupation. On the other hand handing over 'free' people to a despotic dictaorshit is never justified and the people of HK should have demanded the Brits leave them with a robust strategic nuke arsenal. Guess liberty or death thingy doesnt trump a quick buck. |
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Posted: 1/2/2019 9:57:09 AM EDT
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HK was handed back at the end of the lease in 1999.
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Posted: 1/2/2019 9:57:34 AM EDT
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You're damn right, they have to be stopped, if it was me the whole Mainland would be embargoed, I would even Ally with the Russians to make that happen Their government is soon-to-be ingsoc incarnate, they must be stopped. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Oh, another thing. Nuke China over Taiwan? Their government is soon-to-be ingsoc incarnate, they must be stopped. Not sure how this is in our national interest. |
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Posted: 1/2/2019 10:00:07 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Thanks for your well thought out military / political strategy. Not sure how this is in our national interest. For the interest of freedom for all Humanity? It is, tyranny has to be stopped at every level no matter where it is in the world, at least when tyranny is the second most powerful Nation on Earth |
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Posted: 1/2/2019 10:01:12 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
China has been saying this for decades. Many decades. |
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Posted: 1/2/2019 10:03:40 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
Thanks for your well thought out military / political strategy. Not sure how this is in our national interest. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Oh, another thing. Nuke China over Taiwan? Their government is soon-to-be ingsoc incarnate, they must be stopped. Not sure how this is in our national interest. |
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Posted: 1/2/2019 10:07:13 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You're damn right, they have to be stopped, if it was me the whole Mainland would be embargoed, I would even Ally with the Russians to make that happen Their government is soon-to-be ingsoc incarnate, they must be stopped. Eta, I'm a defacto Taoist, so perhaps I have more skin in the game then most @NickGunar |
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Posted: 1/2/2019 10:07:39 AM EDT
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Xi badly needs emotionally charged foreign policy stuff to rally the Chinese around so he doesn't have to talk about how fucked their economy is while justifying his ascension to emperor. I think he'd welcome a cheap land war to both bind together and thin out the ranks a bit, but they're in a bad neighborhood for cheap, successful land wars. An air and sea war against somebody semi-competent or better would be hyper expensive without getting enough cannon fodder killed, and would invite intervention and probable defeat by the Japanese and Americans.
But it wouldn't be the first time that rhetoric and pride and domestic politics led a cocky up and comer into a foreign policy cul-de-sac that he thought he had no choice but to try to fight his out of. So much of this is reminiscent of Japan-US in the late 30's. The resentment, the rapidly rising empire hemmed in by greater powers, the incestuous relationship between the Chinese military and government pushing them along a confrontational path, the US slapping them down for pushing too far hoping for a logical reaction, the inability of the Chinese to fold a bad hand and negotiate in good faith. |
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Posted: 1/2/2019 10:13:30 AM EDT
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Back in the 1990s I had a visiting professor from the University of Beijing for couple of weeks in a class. The regular prof asked us before she showed up to stick to topic at hand (international aviation law) and not get off track into issues around Taiwan. Anyway, I'm not sure how it happened but one day the topic veered into Taiwan. One of my fellow deplorables asked her the question, "When was the last time the PRC collected taxes from or enforced a law over the people of the ROC?" The answer of course is "never" and the implication is how can you reunify that which has never been unified. She started sputtering and screaming "ONE CHINA!" at the guy until most of us walked out. She completely cracked up like a broken robot or Marco Rubio in that one debate. It was one of the most bizaare moments of my life. I'll never forget that shit and how these people are essentially programmed to say "One China!" and that's the extent of the argument.
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Posted: 1/2/2019 10:15:17 AM EDT
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And more recently they've been on a massive Navy building program. And saying they want to take Taiwan by 2020. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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China has been saying this for decades. Many decades. |
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Posted: 1/2/2019 10:16:01 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I sure am happy your not running the show. Do you understand the ramification of tossing nuclear weapons around? Of course I do. The bear was shown where its influence ends with the Cuban Missile Crisis, the gold dragon with red paint must be shown the same thing. |
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Posted: 1/2/2019 10:16:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I sure am happy your not running the show. Do you understand the ramification of tossing nuclear weapons around? |
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Posted: 1/2/2019 10:18:37 AM EDT
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Is Taiwan part of NATO or a protectorate of the USA?
Why are we always the worlds policeman? |
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Posted: 1/2/2019 10:24:07 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
Like crimea..... |
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Posted: 1/2/2019 10:34:25 AM EDT
[#32]
Come, take.
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Posted: 1/2/2019 10:37:29 AM EDT
[#33]
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https://www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-asia-china-46733174 ... if it was me, nukes would be flying the minute PRC Marine sets one foot on taiwan's beach. But no, I bet when the day comes we will just sit there and watch just like we did with Hong Kong. . . . . . . What a ridiculous world we live in |
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Posted: 1/2/2019 10:40:29 AM EDT
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if Taiwan doesn’t have nukes, it needs them.
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Posted: 1/2/2019 10:43:17 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
Is Taiwan part of NATO or a protectorate of the USA? Why are we always the worlds policeman? That is China's goal by 2030, except no one expects China to be quite as even handed as the US. |
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Posted: 1/2/2019 10:59:52 AM EDT
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We may not be cool with starting WW3 over Taiwan. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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https://www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-asia-china-46733174 ... if it was me, nukes would be flying the minute PRC Marine sets one foot on taiwan's beach. But no, I bet when the day comes we will just sit there and watch just like we did with Hong Kong. . . . . . . What a ridiculous world we live in I don't think you'll find much support in sacrificing potentially half our population or more in a nuclear conflict over Taiwan, sorry. To protect our 50 states, sure different story. |
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Posted: 1/2/2019 11:00:05 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: National interest? Yes and no. For the interest of freedom for all Humanity? It is, tyranny has to be stopped at every level no matter where it is in the world, at least when tyranny is the second most powerful Nation on Earth Are you willing to sacrifice your sons in a war over Taiwan? I'm not. Are you aware the majority of the population in Taiwan sees reunification with China as a good thing? It's not up to us to be the world's policemen and it will accomplish nothing but the downfall of the USA. |
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Posted: 1/2/2019 11:08:57 AM EDT
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China is like the psycho ex boyfriend who can't accept being dumped.
We should arm Taiwan, but not go to war over it. It's not Poland 1939. |
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Posted: 1/2/2019 11:35:37 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
Are you willing to sacrifice your sons in a war over Taiwan? I'm not. Are you aware the majority of the population in Taiwan sees reunification with China as a good thing? It's not up to us to be the world's policemen and it will accomplish nothing but the downfall of the USA. Is immaturity there believe it is a good thing than they are foolish, they will come to regret feeling the iron hand of the PRC Sometimes I hate that the Dao does nothing. @BlueJames |
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Posted: 1/2/2019 11:37:00 AM EDT
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See Taiwan’s response to that today?
 https://thehill.com/policy/international/423474-taiwan-president-we-will-never-accept-reunification-with-china-under
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Posted: 1/2/2019 11:39:14 AM EDT
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Infiltration etc.
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Posted: 1/2/2019 11:39:22 AM EDT
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Posted: 1/2/2019 11:44:56 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
I'm not even sure China could beat Taiwan in a straight up fight. I don't think China is either, else it would have already been attempted. |
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Posted: 1/2/2019 11:45:20 AM EDT
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Don't they have a fairly decent military ? |
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Posted: 1/2/2019 11:46:36 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I am, but most of America is not,, Vietnam is proof of that Is immaturity there believe it is a good thing than they are foolish, they will come to regret feeling the iron hand of the PRC Sometimes I hate that the Dao does nothing. @BlueJames Just out of curiosity when and where is it that you served? |
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Posted: 1/2/2019 11:46:53 AM EDT
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Reuniting Xi Jinping with mother earth would be a fine start.
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Posted: 1/2/2019 11:47:08 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
China has been saying this for decades. Many decades. |
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Posted: 1/2/2019 11:48:18 AM EDT
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 Could Chinese military really invade Taiwan if US was neutral? Part 1/2  Could Chinese military conquer Taiwan within a year? Part 2/2 |
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Posted: 1/2/2019 11:53:18 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
If the ex-pats could move to Taiwan, why can't they move farther? Evac anyone who doesn't want to live under Chinese rule, blow up anything valuable, and let China have it. |
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Posted: 1/2/2019 11:55:22 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
Back in the 1990s I had a visiting professor from the University of Beijing for couple of weeks in a class. The regular prof asked us before she showed up to stick to topic at hand (international aviation law) and not get off track into issues around Taiwan. Anyway, I'm not sure how it happened but one day the topic veered into Taiwan. One of my fellow deplorables asked her the question, "When was the last time the PRC collected taxes from or enforced a law over the people of the ROC?" The answer of course is "never" and the implication is how can you reunify that which has never been unified. She started sputtering and screaming "ONE CHINA!" at the guy until most of us walked out. She completely cracked up like a broken robot or Marco Rubio in that one debate. It was one of the most bizaare moments of my life. I'll never forget that shit and how these people are essentially programmed to say "One China!" and that's the extent of the argument. |
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