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Did anyone else hear on the news today that shipments of durable goods was down 50% in January, or was I hearing things?

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Interesting chart I found here -> http://mam.econoday.com/byshoweventfull.asp?fid=456008&cust=mam&year=2013&lid=0&prev=/byweek.asp



 

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MAN! I thought i was depressed concerning the state our nation before reading this thread. After reading all 56 pages I feel even worse. Man you would think someone making decisions for our country would want them to benefit our society in any way. I am disgusted by the greed, lies, and overall shady way our politician do business. sometimes makes it hard to be proud of your great country. I just have to remember what our country stands for, what the people stand for (well most of them). You dont have to believe in our government to believe in our country! Thanks for a great read guys, I learn something new everytime I venture in these threads.

Originally Posted By America-first





Whatever happened to all of those new jobs that the Halfrican was going to conjure up?
We're on an elevator ride straight to hell.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20090622/pl_nm/us_obama_unemployment_2
Posted: 6/22/2009 12:51:00 PM PST      

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History is about to repeat itself when WE look at the bigger picture...

http://www.economicgreenfield.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/Dshort-10-25-12-Durable-Goods-Orders-SPX.gif

 

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Which investing show?

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Every time I vote I'm trying to fire the incumbent but the SOBs don't get fired.

I must be doing it wrong.

Even after the economy went into free fall, millions of people lost
millions of dollars in retirement and investments, millions more lost
their homes and businesses, our economy damn near collapsed in on
itself, and then .gov took tax payer money and bailed out banks with
it...... 40% of the population turned out to vote.
Being an elected official is a privilege. We as a nation don't seem to
be very effective at revoking that privilege nor keeping the threat of
revocation fresh in these peoples minds as they weigh laws.
Simply put, our apathy as a nation has ensured that our legislators neither respect or fear us.
We created their mindset. We created the opening for them to step into office and operate under separate and unequal laws.
We let them gut oversight, we let them operate without budgets, and we
let them cash out and walk away after they've had their fill!
Before you start advocating and collecting ideas on the best way to
fight those who control the most effective fighting force on the surface
of this earth, you may want to take steps to see if you can solve the
problem with the 1st Amendment and the voting booth first.
There has been no real change in leadership in our nation. The same type of people get elected over and over again.
Obama is NOT creating laws and smashing them down your throat. The
Senate and The House are doing that and hiding BEHIND Obama while they
run to the bank.
The citizenry feign outrage and then 40% show up to vote... why would they stop? Would you stop?
Look at how effective the TEA party was until it was co-opted. It was so
terrifying that the GOP changed their nomination rules..... WE CAN WIN
if we care to.
Read about our founders and just how far they were actually pushed before they took up arms.
Their enemies were denying them even the most basic rights, blocking
their ports, denying them trade, sleeping in their homes, eating their
food....
They didn't sit on their thumbs while this was going on, but they didn't jump right to muskets and cannon either.
The truth is we haven't even really given voting these bums out and
holding them accountable a fair shake. We all dismiss it and leave it
for the other guy to do!
Organizing your community, driving people to the polls... going out of
your way to help people and setting an example, influence them and talk
about what makes a good man, and how we need to keep good people in
government. Be the change you
want to bring to your world.  All of these things have direct impacts on
local politics, which has direct influence on state politics, which
filters up to national politics.
And then, if you win. If we all put the "right" sort of people in power,
it's not over. We have to hold them accountable all across the board.
However, if you fail, and the worst situations imaginable come to
pass... you now have contacts all around your neighborhood and locality.
You now have some sort of organization you can call on. You now have
people who know you and your character.
One of the biggest downfalls of Conservatives is inherent in our "live
and let live" nature. We tend to not go out of our way to organize. That
HAS to change if we are to defeat the Progressive political machine.











Obama has 2.2 million grass roots organizations to call up when he needs
help. How many organizations can those who fight for liberty call up?

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History is about to repeat itself when WE look at the bigger picture...

http://www.economicgreenfield.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/Dshort-10-25-12-Durable-Goods-Orders-SPX.gif

 

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I see several instances in that chart that show the durable goods movement to be a 3-9mo (estimate) leading indicator of spike-ish moves.  We see a spike down now, so it looks a danger zone for the S&P is June or slightly thereafter.

 

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8-10 year durable good lifespan, it goes up, then demand drops as people only are replacing them as needed. Much of the rise in demand wasn't because people wanted to replace goods because they wanted to, they did because they HAD to. I do repairs on household white goods and such, you can't believe the amount of bitching and crying you hear when you tell them it's just not economically feasible to fix the appliance or that the parts are just not available anymore. 10 years ago it was "Meh, I wanted a new one anyways," now it's "I can't really afford to replace this right now, is there any way you can get it working for at least a little while?"

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Q we agree more than it would appear...good discussion.

More Government Regs = Black Markets = Low Grade Anarchy

WE either exercise OUR Right to enforce Term-Limits, by voting Most Incumbents Out of Congress in 2014, or WE deserve the Government Controls that will be Force upon US, and I'm not confusing America for China

Any smart Businessman would Fire an employee for Gross Incompetence, Why do 'WE' continue to give Politicians a break?

   

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WE don't.



You are failing to comprehend that we are in a war for survival of ths country and there are 2 sides. The other side is voting for these traitors. We are not.

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Dow Jones high on Fed steroids...

I think many are going to be left with some unsightly 'Gyno'
Firemission: A Call for Congressional Hearings the FED is 'Cheating'

The Last Time We Were Here:   http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-03-05/last-time-dow-was-here

Dow Jones Industrial Average: Then 14164.5; Now 14164.5

Regular Gas Price: Then $2.75; Now $3.73

GDP Growth: Then +2.5%; Now +1.6%

Americans Unemployed (in Labor Force): Then 6.7 million; Now 13.2 million

Americans On Food Stamps: Then 26.9 million; Now 47.69 million

Size of Fed's Balance Sheet: Then $0.89 trillion; Now $3.01 trillion

US Debt as a Percentage of GDP: Then ~38%; Now 74.2%

US Deficit (LTM): Then $97 billion; Now $975.6 billion

Total US Debt Oustanding: Then $9.008 trillion; Now $16.43 trillion

US Household Debt: Then $13.5 trillion; Now 12.87 trillion

Labor Force Particpation Rate: Then 65.8%; Now 63.6%

Consumer Confidence: Then 99.5; Now 69.6

S&P Rating of the US: Then AAA; Now AA+

VIX: Then 17.5%; Now 14%

10 Year Treasury Yield: Then 4.64%; Now 1.89%

EURUSD: Then 1.4145; Now 1.3050

Gold: Then $748; Now $1583

NYSE Average LTM Volume (per day): Then 1.3 billion shares; Now 545 million shares

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" When in Greece "




Through the looking glass ...

ETA -  

http://mail.laruetactical.com/service/home/~/?auth=co&id=26146&part=2

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You missed my quotation marks

 

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Billionaires Dumping Stocks...

It’s very likely that these professional investors are aware of specific research that points toward a massive market correction, as much as 90%.

 

Newsmax offers an ostensibly "free" copy of the book, Aftershock, and free trials to 3 newsletters as part of their offer, for just the price of $4.95 shipping. That is the only information given before filling out the order form and submitting a credit card. After filling in the form to order the book, a welcome email is sent informing you that the different subscriptions will be billed at different intervals after the trail period if one does not unsubscribe. Aha, when you try to unsubscribe you are told that one must wait to be notified for the end of the trial periods at 2, 3 and 4 month notifications for the different unwanted subscriptions.
When you email customer service to unsubscribe you are then informed of the undisclosed terms and conditions: if you want to unsubscribe you will be billed $27.95 for the full retail price of the book. They've got you!!

Adding insult to injury your email is distributed to their affiliates and all the tentacles are out.

Please beware and read all the complaints consumers like me have filed. If you do business with Newsmax, use Paypal so they will not be able to bill your credit card for unwanted publications.  

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That is a very interesting book.  I read it several years ago shortly after it was published, for a marketing class.  But it could be used as evidence against what is thought in this thread as well.

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I really don't think the average American (the group) really understands how serious an economic situation we have.  Unfortunately we now have a majority-near majority of people that are of such mind that they can't make a responsible decision of what to eat for dinner.  Let alone decide who runs the government.

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It inspires hope, doesn't it?  

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No, it does not.

The change in less than six years is quite evident though.

Dear Senator Paul,

On February 20, 2013, you write to John Brennan requesting additional information concerning the administration's views about whether "the President has the power to authorize lethal force, such as a drone strike, against a U.S. citizen on U.S. soil, and without trial."

As members of this Administration have previously indicated, the US government has not carried out drone strikes in the United States and have no intention of doing so. As a policy matter, moreover, we reject the use of military force where well-established law enforcement authorities in this country provide the best means for incapacitating a terrorist threat. We have a long history of using the criminal justice system to incapacitate individuals located in our country who pose a threat to the United States and its interests abroad. Hundreds of individual have been arrested and convicted of terrorism-related offenses in our federal courts.

The question you have posed is entirely hypothetical, unlikely to occur and we hope no president will ever have to confront. It is possible, I suppose, to imagine an extraordinary circumstance in which it would be necessary and appropriate under the Constitution and applicable laws of the United States for the President to authorize the military to use lethal force within the territory of the United States. For example, the president could  conceivably have no choice but to authorize the military to use such force if necessary to protect the homeland in the circumstances of a catastrophic attack like the ones suffered on Dec. 7, 1941 and Sept. 11, 2001.

Were such an emergency to arise, I would examine the particular facts and circumstances before advising the President on the scope of his authority.


Sincerely,

Eric Holder,
Attorney General

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-03-05/dear-american-its-extraordinary-circumstance-and-drones-coming-you

"We're in an inflationary period and it's very difficult to make money. I
still have a target of 5,000 for the Dow that we should reach in 2017
or 2018, and then we'll get a huge bull market so it's best just to go
to sleep with your money until then," he said. "People should be asking,
'How much can I lose?' rather than 'How much can I make?'"

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Not sure if you're just reflecting on the data points I posted, or if there is a broader political innuendo there.   But I'll just add this:





There's plenty of blame to go `round, but I really can't get on the Anti-Bama Band Wagon too much.  Sure, I can say "He's a part of the problem - and he's doing NOTHING to fix the problem," but as we've hinted at in other discussions...  the Problem preceeds this administration by no less than a half-dozen decades, arguably four... maybe six Presidential Administrations, three generations and at least a hundred million willful voters (give or take).   This administration is just a more glaring and offensive representation of the status quo we've all tried to ignore for so long.





But yeah, the rate of change has definitely become measurable, and depending on the chart...  exponential.
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I'll be watching the news all week, waiting for the outrage.

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...so does anyone have any info on how to live underground?





"Fluency in English is something that I'm often not accused of."-George H.W. Bush

"It depends on what the meaning of the words 'is' is." –Bill Clinton

"I'll be long gone before some smart person ever figures out what happened inside this Oval Office." -George W. Bush



Fanboy, 'Hey Mr. President, what is your definition of a terrorist?'

Obama, 'Uuuuuuhhhhhh...I would like to quote my predecessors...'





 

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Not sure if you're just reflecting on the data points I posted, or if there is a broader political innuendo there.   But I'll just add this:

There's plenty of blame to go `round, but I really can't get on the Anti-Bama Band Wagon too much.  Sure, I can say "He's a part of the problem - and he's doing NOTHING to fix the problem," but as we've hinted at in other discussions...  the Problem preceeds this administration by no less than a half-dozen decades, arguably four... maybe six Presidential Administrations, three generations and at least a hundred million willful voters (give or take).   This administration is just a more glaring and offensive representation of the status quo we've all tried to ignore for so long.

But yeah, the rate of change has definitely become measurable, and depending on the chart...  exponential.


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I'll be watching the news all week, waiting for the outrage.

...."concerned that the size of some of these institutions becomes so large that it does become difficult for us to prosecute them," since, "it will have a negative impact on the national economy, perhaps even the world economy,"

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The OFFICIAL GET OUT OF JAIL FREE card:








From here
There you have it.  Signed, sealed and delivered.  Officially too big to prosecute.

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Meh, can't fire no one anyhow .... I mean, what would they do then ...

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You're not the only one, and your smart keeping productive employees employed, even while margins continue to shrink.

Sales Look Good, but Profits 'stink'...

Things will rebound on the 'Mom & Pop' level quicker once 'It' happens, and consistency will be rewarded generously.





 

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The OFFICIAL GET OUT OF JAIL FREE card:



From here



There you have it.  Signed, sealed and delivered.  Officially too big to prosecute.

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Cross off another one in the check list to becoming a banana republic

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We've been travelling down this road for quite some time.  The roadside attractions of the surreal are simply becoming more obvious now.    

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I'll chime in and say that's the same way with my business.  I'm busy as hell but I can't seem to get any meaningful profit.  It has me exceptionally worried should things get slow.





 

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Imagine these U.S. Treasury yields in our debt ridden environment.  We'd hit deficit spending just to maintain social security, medicare, and interest on debt. Not to mention national defense, and all the rest of government.