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Posted: 9/4/2023 5:13:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: https://media1.giphy.com/media/3oz8xLd9DJq2l2VFtu/200w.webp?cid=ecf05e478epm0hwm64024v2juc5dta38auuxjwhj1h4zyzpd&ep=v1_gifs_search&rid=200w.webp&ct=g 8900.1,Vol.3,Ch33,Sec3 https://i.imgur.com/t2xCvzP.png The takeoff phase does not end when the wheels leave the ground. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Except for the first 20 minutes to get to cruising altitude, and the last 20 minutes, to descend... So 2/3 of the flight there's no reclining. And if they are serving drinks during that 20 minutes, it's not going to be much of a nap. No. It's nowhere near that long. Maybe 5-10 minutes from takeoff to altitude. Takeoff restrictions end at 10K feet. I was on two flights las week that hit that fast since there were only 25 people on a Max 8 and the pilots were having some fun. Very steep attack angles coming out. There is no recline restrictions once the wheels leave the ground. https://media1.giphy.com/media/3oz8xLd9DJq2l2VFtu/200w.webp?cid=ecf05e478epm0hwm64024v2juc5dta38auuxjwhj1h4zyzpd&ep=v1_gifs_search&rid=200w.webp&ct=g 8900.1,Vol.3,Ch33,Sec3 https://i.imgur.com/t2xCvzP.png The takeoff phase does not end when the wheels leave the ground. Did you even read what you posted? |
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Posted: 9/4/2023 5:14:42 PM EDT
[#2]
Most domestic flights are less than 2 hours and I'm not an asshole.
If I'm sitting in front of a kid or fairly short person, maybe, but I usually don't bother either way. |
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Posted: 9/4/2023 5:17:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There are zero instructions for passengers about when they can recline. You had to look up rules that are not given or enforced to try and win an argument you already lost. Grow up. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Well, I had to check: "Interestingly, the FAA regulations actually mandate that the pilot must not takeoff until all seats are upright, while the passengers are only commanded to obey flight attendant instructions in the matter.FAR 121.311 no certificate holder may take off or land an airplane unless each passenger seat back is in the upright position. Each passenger shall comply with instructions given by a crewmember in compliance with this paragraph. Takeoff is defined in 25.111 as The takeoff path extends from a standing start to a point in the takeoff at which the airplane is 1,500 feet above the takeoff surface, or at which the transition from the takeoff to the en route configuration is completed and VFTO is reached, whichever point is higher. So technically, after climbing 1500 feet (in most cases) you are out of "takeoff" and should be able to recline your seat. But guessing your distance climbed is difficult, so the chimes at 10,000 are probably your best guide, as mentioned by @Johns-305. Frequently these days I have also heard an announcement that larger electronics such as laptops can now be used, as those are restricted below 10,000 feet" So, you are the one who is full of shit, ok. You have been calling people liars and idiots when you don't know the rules yourself. What an arogant dolt you are. There are zero instructions for passengers about when they can recline. You had to look up rules that are not given or enforced to try and win an argument you already lost. Grow up. Everyone with an IQ above room temp knows recline is permitted when the seat belt chime goes off, generally in conjunction with completion of the after takeoff/climb checklists. The flight attendants aren't in the cabin making people sit up on takeoff because they are required to sit down and buckle up like everybody else. I referenced the rule above, you can quit making shit up now. |
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Posted: 9/4/2023 5:21:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Everyone with an IQ above room temp knows recline is permitted when the seat belt chime goes off, generally in conjunction with completion of the after takeoff/climb checklists. The flight attendants aren't in the cabin making people sit up on takeoff because they are required to sit down and buckle up like everybody else. I referenced the rule above, you can quit making shit up now. What was my assertion? That the moment you lift off you can recline. So far no one has shown anything different. You sure as fuck failed. No one with an above room temperature IQ would assert something then post proof that said nothing to support the assertion. |
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Posted: 9/4/2023 5:24:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What was my assertion? That the moment you lift off you can recline. So far no one has shown anything different. You sure as fuck failed. No one with an above room temperature IQ would assert something then post proof that said nothing to support the assertion. Read it again smart guy.  Seats upright for takeoff and landing. The takeoff phase does not end when the wheels leave the ground. |
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Posted: 9/4/2023 5:26:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Read it again smart guy. https://i.imgur.com/t2xCvzP.png Seats upright for takeoff and landing. The takeoff phase does not end when the wheels leave the ground. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: What was my assertion? That the moment you lift off you can recline. So far no one has shown anything different. You sure as fuck failed. No one with an above room temperature IQ would assert something then post proof that said nothing to support the assertion. Read it again smart guy. https://i.imgur.com/t2xCvzP.png Seats upright for takeoff and landing. The takeoff phase does not end when the wheels leave the ground. Your last sentence is not in the proof you posted. You made that shit up and keep acting like it is part of a rule. It is not part of the passenger instructions so it is not a rule. |
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Posted: 9/4/2023 5:32:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Your last sentence is not in the proof you posted. You made that shit up and keep acting like it is part of a rule. It is not part of the passenger instructions so it is not a rule. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: What was my assertion? That the moment you lift off you can recline. So far no one has shown anything different. You sure as fuck failed. No one with an above room temperature IQ would assert something then post proof that said nothing to support the assertion. Read it again smart guy. https://i.imgur.com/t2xCvzP.png Seats upright for takeoff and landing. The takeoff phase does not end when the wheels leave the ground. Your last sentence is not in the proof you posted. You made that shit up and keep acting like it is part of a rule. It is not part of the passenger instructions so it is not a rule. The burden of proof is on you to support your assertion that the takeoff is over when wheels are off the ground. Hint: it isn't. "The flight attendants didn't make me" is not valid supporting evidence. |
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Posted: 9/4/2023 5:40:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That's basically the point of the "non-recline" faction. They couldn't squeeze the seats closer together even if they removed reclining. That's why recliners get bumped, kicked, seatback used as a grabrail etc. There just isn't enough room for people who aren't manlets. Soon, we'll be able to pay extra for the high-row, non-fart option and boarding will take 3x as long while we all wait for boomers to clamber up into their luxury deck. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F5JOufxWgAEPsVh?format=jpg&name=large Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: the airlines are stupid for keeping the reclining option instead of just running fixed/no recline exit row seats all through coach. Taking the recline mechanisms out would reduce weight, saving fuel over the entire fleets (and reduce carbon footprints! all that carbon!!!), also reduce maintenance costs, and fixed seats streamlines movement in the plane (especially unloading). Of course, the airlines being what they are would use taking the reclining out to force the seats even closer together so that my knees are pre-jammed into the row ahead. They are all about customer love that way. Exactly right. No Recline, not the fault of the guy in front of me. But the Airlines would screw that up too. "Hey, we can get an extra row in now!!!!!!!" That's basically the point of the "non-recline" faction. They couldn't squeeze the seats closer together even if they removed reclining. That's why recliners get bumped, kicked, seatback used as a grabrail etc. There just isn't enough room for people who aren't manlets. Soon, we'll be able to pay extra for the high-row, non-fart option and boarding will take 3x as long while we all wait for boomers to clamber up into their luxury deck. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F5JOufxWgAEPsVh?format=jpg&name=large |
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Posted: 9/4/2023 5:45:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The burden of proof is on you to support your assertion that the takeoff is over when wheels are off the ground. Hint: it isn't. "The flight attendants didn't make me" is not valid supporting evidence. Your new rule is not in the flight attendant instructions therefore it isn't a rule. You can't just make shit up. I'm out. You no reclining idiots are far worse than any democrat. |
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Posted: 9/4/2023 5:58:22 PM EDT
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Cannot believe this thing is still going. . .
OP, reclining the seat is your prerogative. From a dude that is 6'5", go slow man. My knees will thank you. C-suite gets the leg room. The proles have to fly in steerage. |
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Posted: 9/4/2023 6:04:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There are zero instructions for passengers about when they can recline. You had to look up rules that are not given or enforced to try and win an argument you already lost. Grow up. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Well, I had to check: "Interestingly, the FAA regulations actually mandate that the pilot must not takeoff until all seats are upright, while the passengers are only commanded to obey flight attendant instructions in the matter.FAR 121.311 no certificate holder may take off or land an airplane unless each passenger seat back is in the upright position. Each passenger shall comply with instructions given by a crewmember in compliance with this paragraph. Takeoff is defined in 25.111 as The takeoff path extends from a standing start to a point in the takeoff at which the airplane is 1,500 feet above the takeoff surface, or at which the transition from the takeoff to the en route configuration is completed and VFTO is reached, whichever point is higher. So technically, after climbing 1500 feet (in most cases) you are out of "takeoff" and should be able to recline your seat. But guessing your distance climbed is difficult, so the chimes at 10,000 are probably your best guide, as mentioned by @Johns-305. Frequently these days I have also heard an announcement that larger electronics such as laptops can now be used, as those are restricted below 10,000 feet" So, you are the one who is full of shit, ok. You have been calling people liars and idiots when you don't know the rules yourself. What an arogant dolt you are. There are zero instructions for passengers about when they can recline. You had to look up rules that are not given or enforced to try and win an argument you already lost. Grow up. I am not the one who needs to "grow up" here. Some rules are lightly enforced, we get that, thank God. But you are wrong. FAA says so. It does not take long to meet the requirement, but it is not "when the wheels leave the ground". You cannot afford my hourly, but I had some time to kill. But enough now, piss off. |
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Posted: 9/4/2023 6:52:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Bingo. Geez, seats barely recline anymore to begin with. Makes me wonder how many people in this thread travel much. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I travel for a living and never give a second thought to a person reclining their seat. They pay for the seat and the space it occupies. Pretty simple. You can utilize the same option if you so choose. I don't recline simply because I don't find it comfortable. Bingo. Geez, seats barely recline anymore to begin with. Makes me wonder how many people in this thread travel much. This. Prior to this last year I rarely flew anywhere, but since January I’ve already lost track of how many commercial flights I’ve been on. It’s almost impossible to tell if the seat in front of me is reclined unless a seat next to it is fully forward, so I can see the slight 1-2” difference in seat back location. |
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Posted: 9/4/2023 11:50:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Again, you don't know what the fuck you are talking about. There's about as many people who do that, as recline their seat. One effects another person, the other doesn't. Neither is a big deal, unless you are a cunt in how you go about it. BS. I take 40-45 flights a year and I’ve NEVER seen someone sleeping with their head on the back of the seat in front of them. It’s just as much of a lie as “most people don’t recline.” I learned something today. A significant portion of the few people who recline their airline seat are some combination of oblivious to their surroundings, liars, or unhinged. The people who say they’ll drop baggage on people’s heads aren’t unhinged? …or will use a 3D printer to manufacture a device to prevent strangers on planes from reclining their seats? Yeah. THAT’S normal. Its a 20 minute print. Why not? Knee Defender Why not? Because no man should aspire to such feminine, passive-aggressive behavior. |
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Posted: 9/4/2023 11:54:15 PM EDT
[#14]
Quote HistoryQuote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: In thousands of flights, it's bothered me once. Nobody believes you've flown 1000s of commercial flights. /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/idgas_zpsiohwxh7k_GIF-112.gif You’ve flown thousands of flights, and somehow don’t have enough points to get upgraded to a bigger seat. |
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Posted: 9/5/2023 12:10:27 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You've flown thousands of flights, and somehow don't have enough points to get upgraded to a bigger seat. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: In thousands of flights, it's bothered me once. Nobody believes you've flown 1000s of commercial flights. /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/idgas_zpsiohwxh7k_GIF-112.gif You've flown thousands of flights, and somehow don't have enough points to get upgraded to a bigger seat.  Attached File |
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Posted: 9/5/2023 12:29:44 AM EDT
[#16]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You’ve flown thousands of flights, and somehow don’t have enough points to get upgraded to a bigger seat. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: In thousands of flights, it's bothered me once. Nobody believes you've flown 1000s of commercial flights. /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/idgas_zpsiohwxh7k_GIF-112.gif You’ve flown thousands of flights, and somehow don’t have enough points to get upgraded to a bigger seat. Sometimes I do. Mostly not. Did you not have enough points or money to upgrade to a bigger seat from Germany? Weird how math works. |
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Posted: 9/5/2023 1:52:30 AM EDT
[#17]
Still going huh... Now we have a nice segue into an argument over when takeoff ends lol 2023 thread of the year! |
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Posted: 9/5/2023 2:01:20 AM EDT
[#18]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Still going huh... Now we have a nice segue into an argument over when takeoff ends lol 2023 thread of the year! Start another thread! We'll need new bait to bring in the college-educated landing-gear actuators. |
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Posted: 9/5/2023 7:23:38 AM EDT
[#19]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Sometimes I do. Mostly not. Did you not have enough points or money to upgrade to a bigger seat from Germany? Weird how math works. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: In thousands of flights, it's bothered me once. Nobody believes you've flown 1000s of commercial flights. /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/idgas_zpsiohwxh7k_GIF-112.gif You’ve flown thousands of flights, and somehow don’t have enough points to get upgraded to a bigger seat. Sometimes I do. Mostly not. Did you not have enough points or money to upgrade to a bigger seat from Germany? Weird how math works. I just don’t care. My six foot, 190 pound body was perfectly happy. |
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Posted: 9/5/2023 7:52:54 AM EDT
[#20]
Quote HistoryQuoted: What if I told you, you can regain the exact same spacing between your seat back and the one in front of you................by reclining your own seat? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Only assholes recline their seats. No concern for anyone but themselves. What if I told you, you can regain the exact same spacing between your seat back and the one in front of you................by reclining your own seat? Show your work… lol For most of us the problem isn’t the seat back, it’s the loss of legroom. If my knees are already providing you lumbar support with your seat up, imagine how it will be with it mashed back. |
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Posted: 9/5/2023 8:02:31 AM EDT
[#21]
Quoted: If you have some personal problem that my reclined seat causes you then you need to either find some other mode of travel or pay for a section of the airplane that gives you more room. oh brother muh seat, muh right ? |
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Posted: 9/5/2023 8:18:59 AM EDT
[#22]
OP,
I may not decide whether you recline your seat or not, but you don't get to decide how you wake up. Everything in life is a trade-off. Sleep well |
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Posted: 9/5/2023 8:58:37 AM EDT
[#23]
Recline / don't recline.....I don't care as long as you're not fat. Fat fucks should be shoved into pens in the cargo hold.....don't worry we'll throw some slop in bucket for you.
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Posted: 9/5/2023 11:03:37 AM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryQuoted: OP, I may not decide whether you recline your seat or not, but you don't get to decide how you wake up. Everything in life is a trade-off. Sleep well You won’t do shit when someone in front of you reclines. |
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Posted: 9/5/2023 2:28:54 PM EDT
[#25]
This made me think of you guys.
https://www.instagram.com/reel/CwalLztAnar/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link&igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA== |
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Posted: 9/5/2023 6:48:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I just don’t care. My six foot, 190 pound body was perfectly happy. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: In thousands of flights, it's bothered me once. Nobody believes you've flown 1000s of commercial flights. /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/idgas_zpsiohwxh7k_GIF-112.gif You’ve flown thousands of flights, and somehow don’t have enough points to get upgraded to a bigger seat. Sometimes I do. Mostly not. Did you not have enough points or money to upgrade to a bigger seat from Germany? Weird how math works. I just don’t care. My six foot, 190 pound body was perfectly happy. So you like being jammed in a seat close to other dudes?  
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Posted: 9/5/2023 6:54:32 PM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted: This made me think of you guys. https://www.instagram.com/reel/CwalLztAnar/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link&igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==  I'm guessing we will get a "OMG that's assault, he's going to jail!" In less than 10 posts. |
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Posted: 9/5/2023 6:55:08 PM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Only assholes recline their seats. No concern for anyone but themselves. This |
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Posted: 9/5/2023 9:46:44 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/5/2023 10:44:44 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: So you like being jammed in a seat close to other dudes? https://c.tenor.com/Exv8qHQeWYkAAAAd/ha-gay.gif Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: In thousands of flights, it's bothered me once. Nobody believes you've flown 1000s of commercial flights. /media/mediaFiles/sharedAlbum/idgas_zpsiohwxh7k_GIF-112.gif You’ve flown thousands of flights, and somehow don’t have enough points to get upgraded to a bigger seat. Sometimes I do. Mostly not. Did you not have enough points or money to upgrade to a bigger seat from Germany? Weird how math works. I just don’t care. My six foot, 190 pound body was perfectly happy. So you like being jammed in a seat close to other dudes? https://c.tenor.com/Exv8qHQeWYkAAAAd/ha-gay.gif Odd that this is what comes to mind when you envision normal people simply flying on a plane. |
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Posted: 9/5/2023 11:12:21 PM EDT
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One time, some.years ago, Mitt Romney physically manhandled a rapper that had leaned his seat back on the plane. They ended up squaring off, shit got dicey. Mittens said the Grammy nominated rapper swung at him, but nobody went to jail.
Simpler times. |
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Posted: 9/5/2023 11:15:14 PM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Sixteen pages for this difference: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/188107/IMG_4884_jpeg-2944191.JPGhttps://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/188107/IMG_4881_jpeg-2944192.JPG WHAT KIND OF FUCKING MONSTER |
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Posted: 9/5/2023 11:16:52 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Sixteen pages for this difference: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/188107/IMG_4884_jpeg-2944191.JPGhttps://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/188107/IMG_4881_jpeg-2944192.JPG 
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Posted: 9/6/2023 5:27:11 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Sixteen pages for this difference: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/188107/IMG_4884_jpeg-2944191.JPGhttps://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/188107/IMG_4881_jpeg-2944192.JPG It's been a hot minute since I've flown, but I seem to recall the seats going back a little further than that... |
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Posted: 9/6/2023 6:07:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's been a hot minute since I've flown, but I seem to recall the seats going back a little further than that... Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Sixteen pages for this difference: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/188107/IMG_4884_jpeg-2944191.JPGhttps://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/188107/IMG_4881_jpeg-2944192.JPG It's been a hot minute since I've flown, but I seem to recall the seats going back a little further than that... The "It's muh civil rights to recline duh seat however I want, it's in the Constitution..." club doesn't even know what a fully reclined seat looks like. But they want to argue that it's the norm. |
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Posted: 9/6/2023 6:50:17 PM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: But your knees brah! They're crushed now and you can't walk! Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Sixteen pages for this difference: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/188107/IMG_4884_jpeg-2944191.JPGhttps://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/188107/IMG_4881_jpeg-2944192.JPG  Attached File |
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Posted: 9/6/2023 9:22:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's been a hot minute since I've flown, but I seem to recall the seats going back a little further than that... Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Sixteen pages for this difference: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/188107/IMG_4884_jpeg-2944191.JPGhttps://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/188107/IMG_4881_jpeg-2944192.JPG It's been a hot minute since I've flown, but I seem to recall the seats going back a little further than that... It depends. Long overseas flights normally go back farther. The other part of the equation is "sliding pan" seats. The bottom of the seat slides forward some so the back doesn't go as far back. Economy plus/premium/etc is usually not that expensive when available if someone really needs it. |
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Posted: 9/6/2023 9:27:58 PM EDT
[#38]
@bronsonburner
1. I’m not stroking out. These fucks are my entertainment. I don’t have cable or streaming services after all 2. Is it still a super fun, parody thread? |
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Posted: 9/6/2023 9:31:14 PM EDT
[#39]
My knees say otherwise lol
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