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Quoted: It looks like the DC charter school system is one big grift machine. Here's the article linked in that thread about the company he worked for: https://washingtoncitypaper.com/article/185902/behind-the-consulting-firm-raking-in-millions-from-dc-charter-schools/ View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: This fucking guy. I'm not sure why the washington compost hasn't picked up on this and he isn't sitting in jail. Read this fucking twitter thread.
It looks like the DC charter school system is one big grift machine. Here's the article linked in that thread about the company he worked for: https://washingtoncitypaper.com/article/185902/behind-the-consulting-firm-raking-in-millions-from-dc-charter-schools/ https://www.google.com/search?q=TenSquare John Goldman from this twitter thread https://twitter.com/crabcrawler1/status/1478883523599736834 inb4 "Jack" triple taps himself |
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Now apparently Tim Pool got SWAT'ed live. Rumor has it that it was cuck murphy.
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I'd say it's bullshit but we're already so far down this rabbit hole..
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Tim Pool Just Got SWATTED Live On Air !!! |
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Quoted: My journey through this thread has been ROFLCOPTERTASTIC, but now I'm just creeped out. Let's look at some highlights: This was an excellent early post. This guy is just smart enough to get himself into trouble, but not smart enough to get himself out of it. It would have been fun to get a follow-up from this guy on how well that whole thing worked out for him (my guess: it didn't, even before this), but the thread took another turn. First though, a detour: I am so excited to see that this is a meme. This was my first thought on the OP, even before the porn star revelation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sny1Vg9zc7c Okay, now we're in creepy territory. Even creepier... But funnier again... Yeah, practically reeeee'ing at Sydney Watson's question and begging Glenn Beck to save him from The Quartering is pretty far from the self-assured Bruce Willis or Mike Rowe manliness that people naturally respect. Quoting out of order a bit to maintain flow... I think you're onto something. If Jack had only been given a little more time to evolve, his next article might have said that the true apex of alpha male masculinity is telling Matt from Tinder to fuck HIM in the ass and making his girl masturbate to it, knowing that he's in complete control. FFS... And now it goes from hilarious to creepy as fuck... LMAO again though, because that's spot-on. A lot of your posts in this thread are really damn good. I'm quoting you a lot. This was the first I even learned about the Colorado shooting. I wonder what "they" know about it that we don't, because this would normally be a feeding frenzy for the media. WEEK 1 But wait...there's more! HOE-LEE SHIT. This went from lolcow territory to wrath of God territory, with the way this guy is being taken down so hard, so fast. I'm almost afraid to laugh at this more, considering Proverbs 24:17-18: 17 Rejoice not when thine enemy falleth, and let not thine heart be glad when he stumbleth: 18 Lest the Lord see it, and it displease him, and he turn away his wrath from him. This thread is insane. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: My journey through this thread has been ROFLCOPTERTASTIC, but now I'm just creeped out. Let's look at some highlights: Quoted: I'm reminded of this meme, and this meme format. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/144599/Modernckvalue_jpg-2210875.JPG Today a lot of the middle people are the real smooth brains, they're just smart enough to remember the mental backflips needed to hold together an abstract concept that's hard to hold together because: It's nonsensical, your own instincts are going off like crazy telling you not to do it, you're training yourself into doing it anyway for the thumbsie-uppies of others. A lot of the next level thinking, is figuring out the rationale for why "that thing that always went that way in the past" DID become that little thing we once called, "the time tested wisdom of the ages.". My take on this guy? He's so burned from his past relationships, he's so afraid he's going to lose her to a younger dude, that he's playing with that danger. And if it DOES fail, and she DOES meet another young guy? "Oh well lmao women amirite". Please, she's 15 years younger than him, AND he's playing around? Yes age gaps happen, sometimes farther ones, AND sometimes yes they work. Guys in their 40s do sometimes date and marry girls in their 20s. I've seen it personally. Me, I can't see myself going that road. BUT, he's not committed to her and I don't think he likes her, she's cute and she's just easier to control. At some point if she's cute, this young girl with options will be talked to by a friend. "Girl he's going to be 50 in a few years, and he's not even committed to you? He just tells you what to do? You're going to turn 27 soon, you can upgrade to some 35 year old D that wont' need viagra in a few years, AND he will be committed to you, AND marry you, AND you get some say in the relationship, AND he's not sleeping with other girls... know what I'm saying?" This was an excellent early post. This guy is just smart enough to get himself into trouble, but not smart enough to get himself out of it. It would have been fun to get a follow-up from this guy on how well that whole thing worked out for him (my guess: it didn't, even before this), but the thread took another turn. First though, a detour: I am so excited to see that this is a meme. Quoted: Removed though the images were blurred. Sounds like he needs Jesus. This was my first thought on the OP, even before the porn star revelation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sny1Vg9zc7c Quoted:
(snipped text) Okay, now we're in creepy territory. Quoted: So his actual name is Goldman and he works management in DC charter schools? Why do I find him even more disturbing now? Even creepier... Quoted: Jack is now a victim of revenge porn because someone found his porn vids. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/122973/Screenshot_from_2021-12-29_04-52-46_png-2220453.JPG But funnier again... Quoted: Lol he should've just owned it. This guy is doing the opposite of what is manly. "Yeah I made a bunch of porn videos because I'm a sexual tyrannosaur" would be a lot better. Or "yeah I wrote that article and here's why ...." rather than get all butthurt and mad. If he would have done that we would all go "that's weird" and move on. Yeah, practically reeeee'ing at Sydney Watson's question and begging Glenn Beck to save him from The Quartering is pretty far from the self-assured Bruce Willis or Mike Rowe manliness that people naturally respect. Quoting out of order a bit to maintain flow... Quoted: Bro, the article he wrote is hilarious. Him coping about being a cuck, him gaslighting himself into believing that cuckoldry is the aPeX of masculinity. He hasn't escalated to getting fucked by the BFs/bulls...yet He apparently really likes dildoing his ass though lmao. IMO he's gonna be catching soon lmao I think you're onto something. If Jack had only been given a little more time to evolve, his next article might have said that the true apex of alpha male masculinity is telling Matt from Tinder to fuck HIM in the ass and making his girl masturbate to it, knowing that he's in complete control. FFS... And now it goes from hilarious to creepy as fuck... LMAO again though, because that's spot-on. A lot of your posts in this thread are really damn good. I'm quoting you a lot. Quoted: Yup. That is how dissident movements are co-opted. I think he is right. The tell is how at least 4 major platforms were burying the discrediting info and taking out accounts AND a major member of his group shot 5 people and there hasn’t been a peep from globohomo propaganda mills like Salon or Vox about it. This was the first I even learned about the Colorado shooting. I wonder what "they" know about it that we don't, because this would normally be a feeding frenzy for the media. Quoted: I checked in on page one and got a bit of a laugh because this guy is teaching how to be a man. I come back to a trash fire where dude is a character in a cuck video game, he’s apparently taking it in the ass, and talking about fucking what might turn out to be minors. Seems like a perfect fit for the pedo elites to try to undermine the movement. 2022 is going to be off the chain. WEEK 1 But wait...there's more! Quoted: This fucking guy. I'm not sure why the washington compost hasn't picked up on this and he isn't sitting in jail. Read this fucking twitter thread.
Quoted: I don’t think he has any moves left. My guess is charges will be filed for defrauding DC public schools. I wasn’t joking when I said he’s a flight risk and will probably flee the country. He’s probably already gone if he’s smart. HOE-LEE SHIT. This went from lolcow territory to wrath of God territory, with the way this guy is being taken down so hard, so fast. I'm almost afraid to laugh at this more, considering Proverbs 24:17-18: 17 Rejoice not when thine enemy falleth, and let not thine heart be glad when he stumbleth: 18 Lest the Lord see it, and it displease him, and he turn away his wrath from him. This thread is insane. Giga post is a 10/10. ^ This is how you chase down a thread in GD The video where he's talking about young girls, does make me wonder what he's scratching at. I personally don't know if I can go lower than 9 years younger than I am. A woman's brain isn't done developing until ~25. Schizophrenia could surface at that point. Grabbing a 21 year old for marriage does literally carry a small % chance risk that in 4 years, whoooooosh crazy person, because nature is sometimes horrible I personally don't believe women are at their prime at 18 in the dating SMV sense. Yes, there can be academic debates about egg supply. But once adding in a few other factors, which DO matter for marriage, not sex. (That stuff doesn't matter quite as much as feminists want to believe. Pretty determines a woman's maximum SMV, but wisdom, intelligence, personality determine the FINAL score, and if she gets married/kept.) Yes, A 25 year old woman that's squared away is better for marriage than an 18 year old, for whom Bernie Sanders is a "good guy" and "real communism was never tried". 18 is that age. It's weird how 'oldman and Co swap in biological urges and data and history, then don't. Bruh at 39 years old, using the "caveman" argument? A 22 year old with allll his quick twitch muscle fibers at 100%, never been injured, his T levels screaming, would beat his fuckin old ass up and take his spot in the tribe. Bad knees, shitty labrums and "Hold on i need to stretch at this age" and all. You only held onto your things if you had other guys who would help you, once you were no longer in your physical prime, at the time when your physical prime was the most important thing in life. When they talk about "heh 35 year old guys used to marry 18 year olds all the time!". Hold up. In the past, men married who they could. Mating rights were not a guarantee for men. The nobility, those guys would marry younger women trying to produce heirs. The blacksmith hoped he got a nice enough girl, who was pretty enough, who didn't die during childbirth, and maybe some of the kids survived. That dude probably wasn't shagging sexy 20 year old IG models for giggles |
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Quoted: So I started reading the kiwifarms thread... https://i.ibb.co/y6fPKH7/stillcucking-png.png "dates" or dates-as-in-the-other-guy-is-like-Matt-from-Tinder dates? Here's another screenshot from one of John's articles circa 2015/2016 https://i.ibb.co/syVyw9S/1640535446414-png.png so anal sex is an act of submission what does that make dildoing your ass? "see, when you dildo your ass, you're dominating yourself - which is the most hetero thing to do - into apex masculinity" View Quote Attached File We need to find the best autist with the best gaydar... I think you guys are right, I think he likes getting teh buttsex. I think he likes dudes. Guy should have apologized to Sydney. If he did, he wouldn't have gotten the "final boss of the internet" treatment. |
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Quoted: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/144599/1591313238900_jpg-2231288.JPG We need to find the best autist with the best gaydar... I think you guys are right, I think he likes getting teh buttsex. I think he likes dudes. Guy should have apologized to Sydney. If he did, he wouldn't have gotten the "final boss of the internet" treatment. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: So I started reading the kiwifarms thread... https://i.ibb.co/y6fPKH7/stillcucking-png.png "dates" or dates-as-in-the-other-guy-is-like-Matt-from-Tinder dates? Here's another screenshot from one of John's articles circa 2015/2016 https://i.ibb.co/syVyw9S/1640535446414-png.png so anal sex is an act of submission what does that make dildoing your ass? "see, when you dildo your ass, you're dominating yourself - which is the most hetero thing to do - into apex masculinity" https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/144599/1591313238900_jpg-2231288.JPG We need to find the best autist with the best gaydar... I think you guys are right, I think he likes getting teh buttsex. I think he likes dudes. Guy should have apologized to Sydney. If he did, he wouldn't have gotten the "final boss of the internet" treatment. Does this proves he's only ever gotten softball questions? Imagine how easy this would've been if he hadn't panicked and flipped his shit. I'm fucking feeling some of that meme war magic because of this (or I'm being too schizopilled) @modly borther pls be our honeydick for the lulz, make him prove to you that being a powerbottom is apex alpha masculinity |
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Quoted: Does this proves he's only ever gotten softball questions? Imagine how easy this would've been if he hadn't panicked and flipped his shit. I'm fucking feeling some of that meme war magic because of this (or I'm being too schizopilled) @modly borther pls be our honeydick for the lulz, make him prove to you that being a powerbottom is apex alpha masculinity View Quote I’m so confused right now. I need to bang this dude in the ass? |
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Quoted: Swatted on a live broadcast… wow View Quote Ironically the guest was Officer Tatum. I thought they handled it well overall; you could tell Tim was livid but managed to not cuss or start screaming. Ian had to go check his weed stash I guess, he has some pretty obvious questions for Tatum. |
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Quoted: I’m so confused right now. I need to bang this dude in the ass? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Does this proves he's only ever gotten softball questions? Imagine how easy this would've been if he hadn't panicked and flipped his shit. I'm fucking feeling some of that meme war magic because of this (or I'm being too schizopilled) @modly borther pls be our honeydick for the lulz, make him prove to you that being a powerbottom is apex alpha masculinity I’m so confused right now. I need to bang this dude in the ass? yes it's what he needs in order to reach giga-apex masculinity you'll be a hero to all humankind |
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Bro, this is the funniest shit I’ve ever read Thank you for sharing. ETA: I meant the whole thread, this story was a wild ride |
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A parody emerges:
The Riminal Order "The Riminal Order is an exclusive men's organization whose mission is to change our culture by cucking ourselves. We ascribe to positive submissiveness and and believe in the power of the bull cock. The men of the Riminal Order know we must cuck ourselves such that we may be better service to our families, communities, and our Nation. Through cucking, heteroflexibility, rimming, and shame, the Riminal Order equips the ass, mouth, and hands to always be filled in today's chaotic culture." Their merch is just |
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Quoted: A parody emerges The Riminal Order "The Riminal Order is an exclusive men's organization whose mission is to change our culture by cucking ourselves. We ascribe to positive submissiveness and and believe in the power of the bull cock. The men of the Riminal Order know we must cuck ourselves such that we may be better service to our families, communities, and our Nation. Through cucking, heteroflexibility, rimming, and shame, the Riminal Order equips the ass, mouth, and hands to always be filled in today's chaotic culture." Their merch is just ?? View Quote |
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Quoted: I'd say it's bullshit but we're already so far down this rabbit hole..
https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/117798/timcastSWAT_jpg-2231271.JPG View Quote oh yeah, that's convincing. Look what Goldman just told me *This is a joke and is not real* Attached File |
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Quoted: Quoted: A parody emerges The Riminal Order "The Riminal Order is an exclusive men's organization whose mission is to change our culture by cucking ourselves. We ascribe to positive submissiveness and and believe in the power of the bull cock. The men of the Riminal Order know we must cuck ourselves such that we may be better service to our families, communities, and our Nation. Through cucking, heteroflexibility, rimming, and shame, the Riminal Order equips the ass, mouth, and hands to always be filled in today's chaotic culture." Their merch is just ?? |
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I for one can’t wait for PatrickHangry’s reporting of the last 2 pages.
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Ok I finally watched the rekieta stream with Brittany Venti and Drex
It’s Drex and BV being really uncomfortable while nick laughs like a madman When he pulled up the cropped pic of Jack Murphy it hurt to laugh I was laughing so hard |
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Quoted: Ok I finally watched the rekieta stream with Brittany Venti and Drex It’s Drex and BV being really uncomfortable while nick laughs like a madman When he pulled up the cropped pic of Jack Murphy it hurt to laugh I was laughing so hard View Quote Is this the one where he turns into Jesse Ventura for a minute? The big guy goes, "I AIN'T GOT TIME TO BLEED" "Listen brother we can talk about alpha males in a second but, We need to talk about the weed fields the FBI doesn't want you to know about on the ice in Alaksa. I WAS GOVERNOR OF MINNESOTA" |
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Quoted: Is this the one where he turns into Jesse Ventura for a minute? The big guy goes, "I AIN'T GOT TIME TO BLEED" "Listen brother we can talk about alpha males in a second but, We need to talk about the weed fields the FBI doesn't want you to know about on the ice in Alaksa. I WAS GOVERNOR OF MINNESOTA" View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Ok I finally watched the rekieta stream with Brittany Venti and Drex It’s Drex and BV being really uncomfortable while nick laughs like a madman When he pulled up the cropped pic of Jack Murphy it hurt to laugh I was laughing so hard Is this the one where he turns into Jesse Ventura for a minute? The big guy goes, "I AIN'T GOT TIME TO BLEED" "Listen brother we can talk about alpha males in a second but, We need to talk about the weed fields the FBI doesn't want you to know about on the ice in Alaksa. I WAS GOVERNOR OF MINNESOTA" Jeebus... 4.5 hours long? eta: lmao starts ~ 2:09:00 |
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Quoted: Jeebus... 4.5 hours long? eta: lmao starts ~ 2:09:00 View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Ok I finally watched the rekieta stream with Brittany Venti and Drex It’s Drex and BV being really uncomfortable while nick laughs like a madman When he pulled up the cropped pic of Jack Murphy it hurt to laugh I was laughing so hard Is this the one where he turns into Jesse Ventura for a minute? The big guy goes, "I AIN'T GOT TIME TO BLEED" "Listen brother we can talk about alpha males in a second but, We need to talk about the weed fields the FBI doesn't want you to know about on the ice in Alaksa. I WAS GOVERNOR OF MINNESOTA" Jeebus... 4.5 hours long? eta: lmao starts ~ 2:09:00 ~28min here, I did not finish this one, I couldn't. CU*K COLLEGE With Drexel: Tales of the Alpha GIGACHAD - Jack Murphy (starting at $99/month) |
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Quoted: So I started reading the kiwifarms thread... https://i.ibb.co/y6fPKH7/stillcucking-png.png "dates" or dates-as-in-the-other-guy-is-like-Matt-from-Tinder dates? Here's another screenshot from one of John's articles circa 2015/2016 https://i.ibb.co/syVyw9S/1640535446414-png.png so anal sex is an act of submission what does that make dildoing your ass? "see, when you dildo your ass, you're dominating yourself - which is the most hetero thing to do - into apex masculinity" View Quote Look at Murphy's head tilted to the side, total submission body language. |
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Quoted: Huh, is that a thing? I was paying more attention to the revelation that Pop-Eye is a real person. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Look at Murphy's head tilted to the side, total submission body language. Huh, is that a thing? I was paying more attention to the revelation that Pop-Eye is a real person. Some people think it is a thing. |
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Quoted: Quoted: I’m so confused right now. I need to bang this dude in the ass? Yes, it's required for the lulz. Attached File |
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Alpha Jack Murphy LOSES IT when its exposed that he lets other men bang his wife. |
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apparently the Liminal Order site was "hacked" - personal information was in unencrypted public directories
Jack Murphy Website HACKED As HUNDREDS Quit Liminal Order & Members Doxxed As New Spicy Photos Leak! |
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Jeremy plays the Cuck Murphy DLC, fast forward to 9min10s
I Found Jack Murphy & Joined His Secret Order & This Is What Happened! Attached File |
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View Quote Solid video And tbh the more I hear him talk, I doooooo kinda think he's ahhhh. I kinda think he likes boys, a slight amount. His voice in the absence of other evidence, I'd call it "unfortunate". But Mike Tyson's voice is unfortunate. This guy also is putting things in his pooper and fucking showing people in photos. Does he think it's straight women watching that? |
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Even Bjorn slams him, and I've never heard him talk about other youtubers.
We need good men, not fake alpha males - as illustrated by Jack Murphy's meltdown |
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Quoted: Even Bjorn slams him, and I've never heard him talk about other youtubers. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRy3zHwoOYE View Quote Hmm. TBH I think the crime is in part, not just what he did? It's who he did it too, and in what context. Sydney being such a kind "harmless" lady, who wasn't doing anything wrong? Getting that from Captain Toughguy, reallllly seems to have struck a nerve. He's holding himself as an example of masculinity, but he's a bad example of a man: 1) Punches down at nice women, truly nice women. This was not an argumentative lady who was coming at him starting a fight, not a woman who was calling into Kevin Samuels and bratting out - Nope, Sydney's pretty well liked and wasn't out of line at all. 2) Cuckery. It IS an issue, if you're telling other men you're a paragon of maleness and can charge you money to hear his coaching advice. He probably would have needed to have renounced, and then walked people through why he's different now. 3) Charging young men for what he's offering is, borderline. Charging what he does is a bit much. It's bothering us. Everyone's doing the math and realizing something is off. And as he tripled down he invited the dogs, they looked around his life, and it's probably ending his career at minimum. Jail possible. Is a masculine man |
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Quoted: Hmm. TBH I think the crime is in part, not just what he did? It's who he did it too, and in what context. Sydney being such a kind "harmless" lady, who wasn't doing anything wrong? Getting that from Captain Toughguy, reallllly seems to have struck a nerve. He's holding himself as an example of masculinity, but he's a bad example of a man: 1) Punches down at nice women, truly nice women. This was not an argumentative lady who was coming at him starting a fight, not a woman who was calling into Kevin Samuels and bratting out - Nope, Sydney's pretty well liked and wasn't out of line at all. 2) Cuckery. It IS an issue, if you're telling other men you're a paragon of maleness and can charge you money to hear his coaching advice. He probably would have needed to have renounced, and then walked people through why he's different now. 3) Charging young men for what he's offering is, borderline. Charging what he does is a bit much. It's bothering us. Everyone's doing the math and realizing something is off. And as he tripled down he invited the dogs, they looked around his life, and it's probably ending his career at minimum. Jail possible. Is a masculine man View Quote It's all part of the ridiculous movement that was kind of popular in the late '90s- early 2000s called the "pickup artist". Murphy talks about being friends with some of bigger names in the "pickup artist" group- if you've read any of those books it's pretty obvious they're some screwed up dudes with sexuality issues and trying to project some strange ideas of masculinity. It was a grift back then and I think this is just the natural progression of that grift. Neil Straus wrote The Game: Penetrating the Secret Society of Pickup Artists in 2005 where he went and stayed in the house where a group of the original guys lived and he more or less concluded they were a scam and pathetic- they considered it a win if they got a girl's phone number and that only the main guy was in kind of a relationships the rest were basically just tag-alongs hoping to get phone numbers so they could put that on their count. Murphy's shtick makes a lot more sense when you view it in that context. A big issue with Murphy is that it wasn't just some article he wrote after he was feeling emasculated by his divorce, it's that it's a lifestyle he's apparently still associated with and somehow he was too stupid or arrogant (probably both given that he apparently got caught defrauding the DC public school system too) to think anybody would find out. Couple that with him putting stuff in his butt, talking about other dude's junk (what actual man does that?) and then screwing young dude's (no heterosexual male does that- period) and yeah, he's a very broken guy- I hate to even call him a man. He's got issues with his own sexuality and a lack of impulse control and his desire to degrade women just screams that he's nuts. |
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Quoted: ~28min here, I did not finish this one, I couldn't. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xygvDGGYuR0 View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Ok I finally watched the rekieta stream with Brittany Venti and Drex It’s Drex and BV being really uncomfortable while nick laughs like a madman When he pulled up the cropped pic of Jack Murphy it hurt to laugh I was laughing so hard Is this the one where he turns into Jesse Ventura for a minute? The big guy goes, "I AIN'T GOT TIME TO BLEED" "Listen brother we can talk about alpha males in a second but, We need to talk about the weed fields the FBI doesn't want you to know about on the ice in Alaksa. I WAS GOVERNOR OF MINNESOTA" Jeebus... 4.5 hours long? eta: lmao starts ~ 2:09:00 ~28min here, I did not finish this one, I couldn't. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xygvDGGYuR0 lol |
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Quoted: It's all part of the ridiculous movement that was kind of popular in the late '90s- early 2000s called the "pickup artist". Murphy talks about being friends with some of bigger names in the "pickup artist" group- if you've read any of those books it's pretty obvious they're some screwed up dudes with sexuality issues and trying to project some strange ideas of masculinity. It was a grift back then and I think this is just the natural progression of that grift. Neil Straus wrote The Game: Penetrating the Secret Society of Pickup Artists in 2005 where he went and stayed in the house where a group of the original guys lived and he more or less concluded they were a scam and pathetic- they considered it a win if they got a girl's phone number and that only the main guy was in kind of a relationships the rest were basically just tag-alongs hoping to get phone numbers so they could put that on their count. Murphy's shtick makes a lot more sense when you view it in that context. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: It's all part of the ridiculous movement that was kind of popular in the late '90s- early 2000s called the "pickup artist". Murphy talks about being friends with some of bigger names in the "pickup artist" group- if you've read any of those books it's pretty obvious they're some screwed up dudes with sexuality issues and trying to project some strange ideas of masculinity. It was a grift back then and I think this is just the natural progression of that grift. Neil Straus wrote The Game: Penetrating the Secret Society of Pickup Artists in 2005 where he went and stayed in the house where a group of the original guys lived and he more or less concluded they were a scam and pathetic- they considered it a win if they got a girl's phone number and that only the main guy was in kind of a relationships the rest were basically just tag-alongs hoping to get phone numbers so they could put that on their count. Murphy's shtick makes a lot more sense when you view it in that context. This is the big brain take. He would have been young-young and impressionable in the early 2000s. I think the PUA community in some cases, STARTS from male wants/urges, tries to negotiate with the challenges - But it gets wrapped in their own narcissism It also has some of the hallmarks of male spaces: Rank, scorekeeping, etc. (vs female spaces, which might see tone-policing, turn based, "everyone gets enough" etc) I wasn't able to read too much of the PUA dating tales types, a few years ago. I sat there, as the guy was ripping apart a woman he slept with, and I was realizing: "Man this girl liked you? That's why she kept sleeping with you? You're ripping on her for having "gym sock titties" that were "disgusting", but you kept putting it in her - and there's no fuckin way you didn't at least PRETEND to like her, a little, to get her in bed with you? It never gave you pause, when the waterworks on, when you left?" Look I get it, sex is different in general for men than it is women. Men DO tend to want it more than women, yes we are more visual - but these are allll relative, COMPARATIVELY SPEAKING we are more of those things. We aren't sociopaths. How many times can these guys sorta con a woman into sleeping with them, see the water works, before it gives them pause? You know who are: - obsessed with looks/physical beauty - views a partner as a means of validating what they think about themselves - capable of being incredibly charming and "love bombing" people in the beginning of a relationship - views other people and what they say as less important than they are (and EVERYONE is less important to them) - can trade people no problem without any feelings whatsoever about it? Narcissists. Textbook narcissists. We have a perfect storm in 2021: - A woke world where men are always wrong no matter what good they do, and women are always good/right no matter what bad they do. (which has fucked up women too, the good ones think theres' something wrong with them) setting the table for men trying to negotiate this - A society that does not talk about who men are, and what they like, and what they want, leaving a vacuum. - A social media world where now normal people can get FamousTM - The social media landscape is a nuclear power source for narcissists, who are often over-represented in a field or situation where fame is a big component - Guys who were impressionable when the PUA pre-runners got rolling. Boom. Quoted: A big issue with Murphy is that it wasn't just some article he wrote after he was feeling emasculated by his divorce, it's that it's a lifestyle he's apparently still associated with and somehow he was too stupid or arrogant (probably both given that he apparently got caught defrauding the DC public school system too) to think anybody would find out. Couple that with him putting stuff in his butt, talking about other dude's junk (what actual man does that?) and then screwing young dude's (no heterosexual male does that- period) and yeah, he's a very broken guy- I hate to even call him a man. He's got issues with his own sexuality and a lack of impulse control and his desire to degrade women just screams that he's nuts. Man people call this karma, but it's like, look at it mechanically? The guy is a person who kinda does fucked up things to people to try to fill a void in himself. The scenery changes, the man does not. If you keep doing fraud things, it will catch up to you - either someone will notice or you will make a real enemy. |
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Quoted: It's all part of the ridiculous movement that was kind of popular in the late '90s- early 2000s called the "pickup artist". Murphy talks about being friends with some of bigger names in the "pickup artist" group- if you've read any of those books it's pretty obvious they're some screwed up dudes with sexuality issues and trying to project some strange ideas of masculinity. It was a grift back then and I think this is just the natural progression of that grift. Neil Straus wrote The Game: Penetrating the Secret Society of Pickup Artists in 2005 where he went and stayed in the house where a group of the original guys lived and he more or less concluded they were a scam and pathetic- they considered it a win if they got a girl's phone number and that only the main guy was in kind of a relationships the rest were basically just tag-alongs hoping to get phone numbers so they could put that on their count. Murphy's shtick makes a lot more sense when you view it in that context. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Hmm. TBH I think the crime is in part, not just what he did? It's who he did it too, and in what context. Sydney being such a kind "harmless" lady, who wasn't doing anything wrong? Getting that from Captain Toughguy, reallllly seems to have struck a nerve. He's holding himself as an example of masculinity, but he's a bad example of a man: 1) Punches down at nice women, truly nice women. This was not an argumentative lady who was coming at him starting a fight, not a woman who was calling into Kevin Samuels and bratting out - Nope, Sydney's pretty well liked and wasn't out of line at all. 2) Cuckery. It IS an issue, if you're telling other men you're a paragon of maleness and can charge you money to hear his coaching advice. He probably would have needed to have renounced, and then walked people through why he's different now. 3) Charging young men for what he's offering is, borderline. Charging what he does is a bit much. It's bothering us. Everyone's doing the math and realizing something is off. And as he tripled down he invited the dogs, they looked around his life, and it's probably ending his career at minimum. Jail possible. Is a masculine man It's all part of the ridiculous movement that was kind of popular in the late '90s- early 2000s called the "pickup artist". Murphy talks about being friends with some of bigger names in the "pickup artist" group- if you've read any of those books it's pretty obvious they're some screwed up dudes with sexuality issues and trying to project some strange ideas of masculinity. It was a grift back then and I think this is just the natural progression of that grift. Neil Straus wrote The Game: Penetrating the Secret Society of Pickup Artists in 2005 where he went and stayed in the house where a group of the original guys lived and he more or less concluded they were a scam and pathetic- they considered it a win if they got a girl's phone number and that only the main guy was in kind of a relationships the rest were basically just tag-alongs hoping to get phone numbers so they could put that on their count. Murphy's shtick makes a lot more sense when you view it in that context. TBH, that's not really what he concluded. Neil Strauss - prior to writing "The Game" was a legit journalist, and he basically threw in his life with the "pickup artist" scene for several years. A lot of the guys in the scene were losers, and a lot of the people running the classes were scammers and grifters, but Strauss was ultimately a believer and a practitioner of the techniques. He doesn't sound like he isn't a believer here: Neil Strauss Picks Up Jessica Alba on the Jimmy Kimmel show PROVES The Game works! I've seen a Pakistani co-worker (westernized, hipsterish, but still) run game on an attractive waitress at a team dinner before, and the chick would have gone home with him in a heart beat. It was interesting to watch. |
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Quoted: TBH, that's not really what he concluded. Neil Strauss - prior to writing "The Game" was a legit journalist, and he basically threw in his life with the "pickup artist" scene for several years. A lot of the guys in the scene were losers, and a lot of the people running the classes were scammers and grifters, but Strauss was ultimately a believer and a practitioner of the techniques. He doesn't sound like he isn't a believer here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hC0hrqbhx5M I've seen a Pakistani co-worker (westernized, hipsterish, but still) run game on an attractive waitress at a team dinner before, and the chick would have gone home with him in a heart beat. It was interesting to watch. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Hmm. TBH I think the crime is in part, not just what he did? It's who he did it too, and in what context. Sydney being such a kind "harmless" lady, who wasn't doing anything wrong? Getting that from Captain Toughguy, reallllly seems to have struck a nerve. He's holding himself as an example of masculinity, but he's a bad example of a man: 1) Punches down at nice women, truly nice women. This was not an argumentative lady who was coming at him starting a fight, not a woman who was calling into Kevin Samuels and bratting out - Nope, Sydney's pretty well liked and wasn't out of line at all. 2) Cuckery. It IS an issue, if you're telling other men you're a paragon of maleness and can charge you money to hear his coaching advice. He probably would have needed to have renounced, and then walked people through why he's different now. 3) Charging young men for what he's offering is, borderline. Charging what he does is a bit much. It's bothering us. Everyone's doing the math and realizing something is off. And as he tripled down he invited the dogs, they looked around his life, and it's probably ending his career at minimum. Jail possible. Is a masculine man It's all part of the ridiculous movement that was kind of popular in the late '90s- early 2000s called the "pickup artist". Murphy talks about being friends with some of bigger names in the "pickup artist" group- if you've read any of those books it's pretty obvious they're some screwed up dudes with sexuality issues and trying to project some strange ideas of masculinity. It was a grift back then and I think this is just the natural progression of that grift. Neil Straus wrote The Game: Penetrating the Secret Society of Pickup Artists in 2005 where he went and stayed in the house where a group of the original guys lived and he more or less concluded they were a scam and pathetic- they considered it a win if they got a girl's phone number and that only the main guy was in kind of a relationships the rest were basically just tag-alongs hoping to get phone numbers so they could put that on their count. Murphy's shtick makes a lot more sense when you view it in that context. TBH, that's not really what he concluded. Neil Strauss - prior to writing "The Game" was a legit journalist, and he basically threw in his life with the "pickup artist" scene for several years. A lot of the guys in the scene were losers, and a lot of the people running the classes were scammers and grifters, but Strauss was ultimately a believer and a practitioner of the techniques. He doesn't sound like he isn't a believer here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hC0hrqbhx5M I've seen a Pakistani co-worker (westernized, hipsterish, but still) run game on an attractive waitress at a team dinner before, and the chick would have gone home with him in a heart beat. It was interesting to watch. It's been quite a few years since I read the book (it was on one of the oil rigs I was on) but based off what I remember we're saying about the same thing. I'm not saying it doesn't work, it absolutely will with the right combinations, but you have to be confident in yourself and you have to quickly figure out what will work on the girl you're trying to pick up. This stuff has been out for years and a lot of people figured it out long before the "movement", they just put it in a package to sell to desperate guys. Honestly, there are a lot of guys who need some help for whatever reason but what Murphy is/was selling is a load of crap just based off the little I've seen. He always came across as disingenuous on Pool's podcast and I couldn't figure why Tim had him on as a recurring guest; I watched one or two episodes with him and quit- besides, Salty Cracker is on Wednesdays and his crazy self is far more entertaining. It always seemed like Luke didn't like him as well and he seems to be a bit more tuned in than the rest of that crew. JMO |
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Quoted: It's been quite a few years since I read the book (it was on one of the oil rigs I was on) but based off what I remember we're saying about the same thing. I'm not saying it doesn't work, it absolutely will with the right combinations, but you have to be confident in yourself and you have to quickly figure out what will work on the girl you're trying to pick up. This stuff has been out for years and a lot of people figured it out long before the "movement", they just put it in a package to sell to desperate guys. Honestly, there are a lot of guys who need some help for whatever reason but what Murphy is/was selling is a load of crap just based off the little I've seen. He always came across as disingenuous on Pool's podcast and I couldn't figure why Tim had him on as a recurring guest; I watched one or two episodes with him and quit- besides, Salty Cracker is on Wednesdays and his crazy self is far more entertaining. It always seemed like Luke didn't like him as well and he seems to be a bit more tuned in than the rest of that crew. JMO View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Hmm. TBH I think the crime is in part, not just what he did? It's who he did it too, and in what context. Sydney being such a kind "harmless" lady, who wasn't doing anything wrong? Getting that from Captain Toughguy, reallllly seems to have struck a nerve. He's holding himself as an example of masculinity, but he's a bad example of a man: 1) Punches down at nice women, truly nice women. This was not an argumentative lady who was coming at him starting a fight, not a woman who was calling into Kevin Samuels and bratting out - Nope, Sydney's pretty well liked and wasn't out of line at all. 2) Cuckery. It IS an issue, if you're telling other men you're a paragon of maleness and can charge you money to hear his coaching advice. He probably would have needed to have renounced, and then walked people through why he's different now. 3) Charging young men for what he's offering is, borderline. Charging what he does is a bit much. It's bothering us. Everyone's doing the math and realizing something is off. And as he tripled down he invited the dogs, they looked around his life, and it's probably ending his career at minimum. Jail possible. Is a masculine man It's all part of the ridiculous movement that was kind of popular in the late '90s- early 2000s called the "pickup artist". Murphy talks about being friends with some of bigger names in the "pickup artist" group- if you've read any of those books it's pretty obvious they're some screwed up dudes with sexuality issues and trying to project some strange ideas of masculinity. It was a grift back then and I think this is just the natural progression of that grift. Neil Straus wrote The Game: Penetrating the Secret Society of Pickup Artists in 2005 where he went and stayed in the house where a group of the original guys lived and he more or less concluded they were a scam and pathetic- they considered it a win if they got a girl's phone number and that only the main guy was in kind of a relationships the rest were basically just tag-alongs hoping to get phone numbers so they could put that on their count. Murphy's shtick makes a lot more sense when you view it in that context. TBH, that's not really what he concluded. Neil Strauss - prior to writing "The Game" was a legit journalist, and he basically threw in his life with the "pickup artist" scene for several years. A lot of the guys in the scene were losers, and a lot of the people running the classes were scammers and grifters, but Strauss was ultimately a believer and a practitioner of the techniques. He doesn't sound like he isn't a believer here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hC0hrqbhx5M I've seen a Pakistani co-worker (westernized, hipsterish, but still) run game on an attractive waitress at a team dinner before, and the chick would have gone home with him in a heart beat. It was interesting to watch. It's been quite a few years since I read the book (it was on one of the oil rigs I was on) but based off what I remember we're saying about the same thing. I'm not saying it doesn't work, it absolutely will with the right combinations, but you have to be confident in yourself and you have to quickly figure out what will work on the girl you're trying to pick up. This stuff has been out for years and a lot of people figured it out long before the "movement", they just put it in a package to sell to desperate guys. Honestly, there are a lot of guys who need some help for whatever reason but what Murphy is/was selling is a load of crap just based off the little I've seen. He always came across as disingenuous on Pool's podcast and I couldn't figure why Tim had him on as a recurring guest; I watched one or two episodes with him and quit- besides, Salty Cracker is on Wednesdays and his crazy self is far more entertaining. It always seemed like Luke didn't like him as well and he seems to be a bit more tuned in than the rest of that crew. JMO I had no prior exposure to Jack Murphy prior to the current blow up, and he does sound like a fraud and a grifter, so I'm not trying to defend him in any way. But I remember enjoying the book Strauss wrote because it sounded like he legitimately wanted to write an expose on these people initially and then discovered there was a there there. A lot of the initial stuff around getting the numbers of women is pretty much psychology 101. It's a numbers game, most of the clients for the PU scene are horrible with women and filled with anxiety over the fear of approaching and getting rejected, so the strategy is to desensitize them to rejection first and foremost. A lot of it can be genericized into social anxiety and strategies can be similar for combatting both. I used to have a guy on my team - a black guy who was (at the time) the only black person on the team. Super talented engineer, very smart guy...but also super introverted. When we had our first 1 on 1s, I literally had to do all of the talking and it felt more like an interrogation than a 1 on 1. Early on I told him, I'm not going to make you be someone you don't want to be, but if you stay introverted and don't ENGAGE people and talk with them, it's going to hurt your career down the road - he's a kind of guy with the intelligence to be a C-level some day, but had the personality that would relegate him to a senior engineer (which is basically a level 3 position, where level 1 is entry level). And these people you engage with, you may not like or have anything in common with them, and the first few dozen times you initiate conversation with them it will feel forced and contrived and awkward - and it will be - but eventually it will be less so, and eventually it'll stop being something you are forcing and something you just do. By the time I read "The Game" I had already been married and we were done having kids, so it was more an academic thing than anything I had any interest in applying, but there were parts of it that I was like "aha" on some of the mistakes I had made earlier in my dating life in my teens and 20s. |
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