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Link Posted: 11/3/2023 9:49:39 AM EST
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1/10th the price of that sweet sweet nickel plated M1 Carbine; bling ghetto king opportunity lost!
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I seem to recall a story about a guy who attempted to assassinate a US President in the late 1800s. He ordered a revolver and intended to make a close up shot. He intended to pay extra for a gun with a nickel finish and fake mother of pearl grips because he figured that the gun would spend the rest of it's existence in a museum and he wanted to give the people who visited the museum something pretty to look at.

In any case I think the shop was out of that model so he took a bog standard model instead. The gun did spend the rest of it's years on display in a museum.

If this country descends into political violence I would expect we might wind up with some wacky weapons used for political assassinations. Or perhaps it will be nothing but boring low end standard issue bolt action rifles, AR-15s and Glocks with switches?
Link Posted: 11/3/2023 10:11:06 AM EST
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I think another more important question we all should be asking about is.....why has the time period lapsed on releasing the governments assassination files on JFK. It was supposed to have been released after X number of years and the FBI and CIA refused to release files. JFK was wanting to work with Russia in a joint space venture and share other information. Plus it was well known that the Kennedys including RFK was in a sorts of war against director of the FBI Hoover. But the government agencies refusing to release the assassination files after the agreed upon time speaks volumes to me.

I personally believe JFK was a government hit job and RFK was a terrorist attack by a arab in support of Palestine because of the kennedys supporting israel. The assassin even admitted he kill RFK because RFK i think supported giving israelfighter jets. Yet today the Democratic Socialist dictatorship supports arabs/Muslims. Kinda reminds me of today's mind set. I believe Joseph Raymond McCarthy was absolutely correct in his accusations of Hollywood and the government being infiltrated by communist/Socialist. I mean just look at our government today and what it has become.

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Sirhan was born to an Arab Christian family in Jerusalem, where he attended a Lutheran school.[3][4] In 1989, he told David Frost: "My only connection with Robert Kennedy was his sole support of Israel and his deliberate attempt to send those 50 fighter jets to Israel to obviously do harm to the Palestinians."[
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Why We Still Don’t Have the JFK Assassination Files The FBI and the CIA are still protecting their sources from six decades ago.

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Link Posted: 11/3/2023 10:24:26 AM EST
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Oswald was never in Mexico city.
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Yes he was. They didn’t admit it during the warren commission, came out much later. Undermines some of the official narrative.

Allen Dulles, CIA director, is fired by Kennedy over the Bay of Pigs. He then serves on the Warren Commission and clears the CIA of involvement. Lol
Link Posted: 11/3/2023 10:59:50 AM EST
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Oswald purchased the now infamous surplus Carcano by mail-order from Kline’s Sporting Goods after seeing an advertisement in “The American Rifleman” (the NRA publication). Why? Probably because it was CHEAP.
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How did he get that?
Did they sell AR on newstands, was LHO a NRA member, or did a member hand them down to him?

Or did he buy a Shotgun News or Guns Magazine?
Link Posted: 11/3/2023 11:01:01 AM EST
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There's a lot of things believed that are simply not true. A M1 Carbine not going through a winter coat being a classic example.
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I had always heard carcanos were shit? Was this not commonly known at the time? Surely all the ww2 vet gun store bros were around talking about how Carcanos were shit.


There's a lot of things believed that are simply not true. A M1 Carbine not going through a winter coat being a classic example.

An M1 carbine WILL fail to go through a winter coat though.


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Link Posted: 11/3/2023 11:09:24 AM EST
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Concur.  I don't believe in magic bullets or as the Germans would say, frei kugel (bullets guided by the devil).
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See, for me the weird behavior of the magic bullet is one of the few things that does make sense about the whole thing.  A monsterously high SD 6.5 military bullet, poking along well below design velocity (because of the short barrel), is going to penetrate.  And keep penetrating unless it smashes a wall, metal, etc...  With the weird staggered seating arrangement for Connolly and Kennedy, plus the back brace, the path makes sense.  Just a long, mostly straight-ish set of wounds w/o bullet upset.

Now, Kennedy's head exploding like a grenade went off, from one of those bullets....?  Ehhh, maybe?  Terminal ballistics can be weird.
Link Posted: 11/3/2023 11:09:50 AM EST
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No.  Could mail order a Garand form the same ad for $79, or pay a little extra for an "as new" example.
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Garands were unobtainium. The few that were available on the open market were $$$$. That Carcano cost less than $30 with the scope. My former boss had a copy of the original ad from the mail order place.



No.  Could mail order a Garand form the same ad for $79, or pay a little extra for an "as new" example.

4 times what he paid for the Carcano, when he was hurting for money.

ETA-even that surprises me. I didn't know garands were available at all at the time to just order one.
Link Posted: 11/3/2023 11:12:38 AM EST
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George HW Bush was an integral part of the conspiracy.

So many facts have emerged linking him to it, it is undeniable.

This is why so much JFK shit remains classified.
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What/who would need protecting from a single gunman theory?





The Bush family.


George HW Bush was an integral part of the conspiracy.

So many facts have emerged linking him to it, it is undeniable.

This is why so much JFK shit remains classified.


You want a fun little coincidence?  The Bushes and the Hinckley family evidently knew each other well, and had visited each other for dinner.  Which had to be an interesting conversation after John tried to impress Jodie Foster.
Link Posted: 11/3/2023 11:27:21 AM EST
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He was a patsy.
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Link Posted: 11/3/2023 11:36:47 AM EST
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Oswald was generally a loser and a failure in life. Intelligent, enough, he desperately wanted to succeed at…something…anything. He dove headfirst into anything that interested him but quickly became disenchanted when his lofty ideals collided with reality. This was a pattern he repeated throughout most of his short, unfulfilling life. So, at age 24, Oswald found himself a failure as a husband, a failure a father, a failure as a Marine, even a failure at being a Communist! He was basically broke, working in a dead-end job.

Oswald purchased the now infamous surplus Carcano by mail-order from Kline’s Sporting Goods after seeing an advertisement in “The American Rifleman” (the NRA publication). Why? Probably because it was CHEAP.

Oswald purchased the rifle in MARCH of 1963. The President’s plan to visit Dallas wasn’t planned until SEPTEMBER of 1963. So, it is unlikely that Oswald purchased the rifle with a specific intention to assassinate JFK. In addition, Oswald took a job at the Texas State School Book Depository in October of 1963 but BEFORE the Presidential motorcade route had been determined (the route would be dependent on where the official luncheon and other events would take place). The route was not publicly announced until November 19, 1963.

If you study the JFK assignation you can only come to one of two conclusions. Either that JFK was murdered as the result of the most well-planned, well-executed assassination of all time, requiring precision timing and absolute secrecy from dozens of black hat players at both the highest and lowest levels (who maintained that secrecy for the rest of their lives) OR that JFK was murdered by a motivated loser, desperate to be remembered for something, who found himself in the right place at the right time with just enough rifle and just enough skill to connect two out of three shots at a range of about 88 yards.

Which scenario is most likely to have happened?

There were definitely cover-ups and conspiracies. However, they were formed in the aftermath, almost immediately after the last shot rang-out, in an effort to deflect blame, become famous, accuse others, seize power and the ever classic covering of individual asses.
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This.

He already had the rifle (and failed to take out a retired general at his home).  The route was announced a couple days before JFK’s arrival and his job happened to be along the motorcade route.  Basically a target of chance opportunity.
Link Posted: 11/3/2023 11:44:55 AM EST
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I believe there was only one gunman. But he was not LHO.   He was a patsy.  I never understood if LHO was the shooter, how the cops got on his tail so fast.  Hundreds of people running around with the hair on fire, yet the cops magically knew to apprehend LHO?!?!
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Police were better back then. In 1960 Baltimore had a homicide clearance rate close to 95 percent. It's probably under 30 percent today.
Link Posted: 11/3/2023 12:21:16 PM EST
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Lee Harvey had the I.Q. of a sea sponge.

If he was alive today he would undoubtedly believe in every halfwit conspiracy theory too.
Link Posted: 11/3/2023 12:25:31 PM EST
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JFC would just did an 11 page thread on this fucking bullshit a couple days ago.
Link Posted: 11/3/2023 12:28:46 PM EST
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I had always heard carcanos were shit? Was this not commonly known at the time? Surely all the ww2 vet gun store bros were around talking about how Carcanos were shit.
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Carcanos are good rifles, many converted to deer rifles here.  It’s the Italian soldiers that were shit, lol.  The joke about Carcanos and their inexpensive but good condition was they were “fired once, dropped once”.
Link Posted: 11/3/2023 12:31:35 PM EST
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Yes he was. They didn’t admit it during the warren commission, came out much later. Undermines some of the official narrative.

Allen Dulles, CIA director, is fired by Kennedy over the Bay of Pigs. He then serves on the Warren Commission and clears the CIA of involvement. Lol
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Both the Warren and Rockefeller investigations were coverups by former intelligence players.
Link Posted: 11/3/2023 1:18:15 PM EST
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Police were better back then. In 1960 Baltimore had a homicide clearance rate close to 95 percent. It's probably under 30 percent today.
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I believe there was only one gunman. But he was not LHO.   He was a patsy.  I never understood if LHO was the shooter, how the cops got on his tail so fast.  Hundreds of people running around with the hair on fire, yet the cops magically knew to apprehend LHO?!?!


Police were better back then. In 1960 Baltimore had a homicide clearance rate close to 95 percent. It's probably under 30 percent today.


Not sure about this. They could and did basically beat confessions out of folks back then.
Link Posted: 11/3/2023 1:32:12 PM EST
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He wanted an optic, and that setup was one he could afford.  I have never read anything about his eyesight, maybe he needed the scope.

It wasn't a hard shot.  Any scoped 3 MOA rifle could do it.
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Maybe he valued the scope?

He wanted an optic, and that setup was one he could afford.  I have never read anything about his eyesight, maybe he needed the scope.

It wasn't a hard shot.  Any scoped 3 MOA rifle could do it.


After visiting the scene this summer it appears very doable to pull off the shots. The distances are unremarkable, standing back and looking at the scene I was expecting the distance from the window to the street to be more than it actually is. 265 ft. (88yards) from the window to the X  shot.
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Link Posted: 11/3/2023 1:38:30 PM EST
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After visiting the scene this summer it appears very doable to pull off the shots. The distances are unremarkable and standing back and looking at the scene I was expecting the distance from the window to the street to be more than it actually is.
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Maybe he valued the scope?

He wanted an optic, and that setup was one he could afford.  I have never read anything about his eyesight, maybe he needed the scope.

It wasn't a hard shot.  Any scoped 3 MOA rifle could do it.


After visiting the scene this summer it appears very doable to pull off the shots. The distances are unremarkable and standing back and looking at the scene I was expecting the distance from the window to the street to be more than it actually is.


They could setup a virtual reality simulation where you could see if you could make the shots. Would be a big tourist attraction.
Link Posted: 11/3/2023 2:04:39 PM EST
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Try.  Again.

From the Politico link:  

"Only hours after shots rang out in Dealey Plaza on November 22, 1963, U.S. Ambassador Thomas C. Mann told colleagues in the American embassy in Mexico that he was certain Lee Harvey Oswald had not acted alone in killing JFK.

Oswald had visited Mexico City several weeks earlier, apparently to obtain a visa that would allow the self-proclaimed Marxist to defect to Cuba, and Mann, a veteran diplomat, suspected that a plot to kill Kennedy had been hatched on Mexican soil, during Oswald’s encounters there with Cuban diplomats and Mexicans who supported Fidel Castro’s revolution. How did Mann know about those meetings? It turned out the CIA had Oswald under surveillance in the Mexican capital after he had showed up at both the Cuban and Soviet embassies there...."


EDIT:  Since @curiomatic had the Politico link, here's an archive link for the NYT article.  Not terribly helpful except, in accordance with the general rule that nothing fits together in the JFK assassination, the Times article mentions that the declassified files (that were the subject of the article) noted the Soviets were tired of Oswald after his suicide attempt, and "wanted to wash their hands of him."  

OK, I get that.  He sounds like a whiny asshole.  But they were so pissed at him they let him stay another two years, and threw a general's daughter at the guy?  Some hand washing.
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He was living in a flop with his wife.  How broke?  That broke.  I would believe he picked the Carcano because it was the cheapest rifle he could find.

Then again...he did find the money to go visit the Soviet embassy in Mexico City, and weren't some of the rifles that were going to be given to the emigres participating in the Bay of Pigs, also Carcanos?

Stories of real life often don't fit into a neat box---in fact, it's kind of a warning that someone is lying to you about some details when they do---but there've always been a bunch of, "Wait, what?!," pieces to the LHO story.  Starting with the defection.

Oswald was never in Mexico city.


Try.  Again.

From the Politico link:  

"Only hours after shots rang out in Dealey Plaza on November 22, 1963, U.S. Ambassador Thomas C. Mann told colleagues in the American embassy in Mexico that he was certain Lee Harvey Oswald had not acted alone in killing JFK.

Oswald had visited Mexico City several weeks earlier, apparently to obtain a visa that would allow the self-proclaimed Marxist to defect to Cuba, and Mann, a veteran diplomat, suspected that a plot to kill Kennedy had been hatched on Mexican soil, during Oswald’s encounters there with Cuban diplomats and Mexicans who supported Fidel Castro’s revolution. How did Mann know about those meetings? It turned out the CIA had Oswald under surveillance in the Mexican capital after he had showed up at both the Cuban and Soviet embassies there...."


EDIT:  Since @curiomatic had the Politico link, here's an archive link for the NYT article.  Not terribly helpful except, in accordance with the general rule that nothing fits together in the JFK assassination, the Times article mentions that the declassified files (that were the subject of the article) noted the Soviets were tired of Oswald after his suicide attempt, and "wanted to wash their hands of him."  

OK, I get that.  He sounds like a whiny asshole.  But they were so pissed at him they let him stay another two years, and threw a general's daughter at the guy?  Some hand washing.


One problem with all that BS. He could have gotten a Soviet visa right there in Dallas.
Link Posted: 11/3/2023 2:44:49 PM EST
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It must be November because the JFK Conspiracy industry has reawakened from annual 11-month long hibernation.

Here's the facts:

  1. Lee Harvey Oswald, a Marxist ACLU supporter murdered President John F. Kennedy, an NRA Life member.  If it were today, Oswald would be clearly in the 'Antifa' camp.
  2. Oswald thought it up all by himself with one day's notice and it wasn't his first attempt at murdering a political figure.
  3. The Italian military surplus rifle he used in Dallas was perfectly suitable and capable of making the resulting hits from 44 and 88 yards in just under nine seconds, including one visible 'No Idea' miss.
  4. Even as a middling scored USMC Marksman who once went 'Unq' (Unqualified) at the range in his 'Fleet service, Oswald was more capable a rifleman than 98% of American males of his age group.
  5. Since the release of the Warren Commission Report on the Assassination of John F. Kennedy, countless gadflys, hucksters, conspiracy theorists, and Left wing fellow travelers have made measly amounts of money for themselves keeping the debate alive profiting off dullards, the easily fooled, ideologic communists, ideologic fascists, people who enjoy unfounded spooky stories, and the intellectually lazy who are both too simple to do any examination of claims on their own and are desperate to appear intelligent on the Internet.
  6. Almost every single thing you've ever heard or read about the JFK Assassination that factually deviates from the Warren Commission report, no matter how innocuous it may seem, is complete bullshit if not outright agitation propaganda.
Link Posted: 11/3/2023 9:24:55 PM EST
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Yep. When the wife worked in Dallas during covid, I went to visit her a few times. One time we went to Dealy Plaza. I couldn't believe how short a distance it was from the book depository window to the X marked on the street. Oswald could have made the shots easier without the scope on the rifle.
There is one tree that is starting to get tall enough to partially block the view from the 6th floor window to the X.
Oswald did it by himself.

The spot Abraham Zapruder stood when he shot the film was very close also.
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Dont matter why. Oswald shot Kennedy with a Carcajou and anyone that believes otherwise is is kind of dumb to be honest. Easy shot with any rifle

Yep. When the wife worked in Dallas during covid, I went to visit her a few times. One time we went to Dealy Plaza. I couldn't believe how short a distance it was from the book depository window to the X marked on the street. Oswald could have made the shots easier without the scope on the rifle.
There is one tree that is starting to get tall enough to partially block the view from the 6th floor window to the X.
Oswald did it by himself.

The spot Abraham Zapruder stood when he shot the film was very close also.

Don't you think it's kind of weird how's there's just X's painted on the road marking where a President was murdered in public? I went to up Dallas in 2021 after the F1 race in Austin, had always to check out Dealy Plaza. I didn't know about the the X's until I saw them.

A small bronze marker embedded in the road where he died would seem respectful. Painted X's seems more like a reminder, or warning.
Link Posted: 11/3/2023 9:44:44 PM EST
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Could he have made the shot and did he  actually shoot at the President are two entirely seperate things.

Duh!
Link Posted: 11/3/2023 9:49:03 PM EST
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It must be November because the JFK Conspiracy industry has reawakened from annual 11-month long hibernation.

Here's the facts:

  1. Lee Harvey Oswald, a Marxist ACLU supporter murdered President John F. Kennedy, an NRA Life member.  If it were today, Oswald would be clearly in the 'Antifa' camp.
  2. Oswald thought it up all by himself with one day's notice and it wasn't his first attempt at murdering a political figure.
  3. The Italian military surplus rifle he used in Dallas was perfectly suitable and capable of making the resulting hits from 44 and 88 yards in just under nine seconds, including one visible 'No Idea' miss.
  4. Even as a middling scored USMC Marksman who once went 'Unq' (Unqualified) at the range in his 'Fleet service, Oswald was more capable a rifleman than 98% of American males of his age group.
  5. Since the release of the Warren Commission Report on the Assassination of John F. Kennedy, countless gadflys, hucksters, conspiracy theorists, and Left wing fellow travelers have made measly amounts of money for themselves keeping the debate alive profiting off dullards, the easily fooled, ideologic communists, ideologic fascists, people who enjoy unfounded spooky stories, and the intellectually lazy who are both too simple to do any examination of claims on their own and are desperate to appear intelligent on the Internet.
  6. Almost every single thing you've ever heard or read about the JFK Assassination that factually deviates from the Warren Commission report, no matter how innocuous it may seem, is complete bullshit if not outright agitation propaganda.
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The Covid Vax works too.  Sorry Charlie something does not add up.
Link Posted: 11/3/2023 10:02:55 PM EST
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As an interesting side note, does anyone here know Jack Ruby's real name?
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They could setup a virtual reality simulation where you could see if you could make the shots. Would be a big tourist attraction.
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Maybe he valued the scope?

He wanted an optic, and that setup was one he could afford.  I have never read anything about his eyesight, maybe he needed the scope.

It wasn't a hard shot.  Any scoped 3 MOA rifle could do it.


After visiting the scene this summer it appears very doable to pull off the shots. The distances are unremarkable and standing back and looking at the scene I was expecting the distance from the window to the street to be more than it actually is.


They could setup a virtual reality simulation where you could see if you could make the shots. Would be a big tourist attraction.

There's a freeware game/simulation called JFK: Reloaded that does exactly that. And it gives you a score of XXXX/1000 for how accurately you timed the shots, and the exact placement of wounds, according to the official narrative.

But I do not believe, and will not be convinced that Lee Harvey Oswald shot JFK. Of course it's an easy shot to make from the sixth floor of the building, but Occam's Razor cuts both ways. Oswald's place of work made for an easy shot at Kennedy. So maybe he did act alone and took the shots himself, but also if he's being framed it's the perfect location to pin it to where it happened because of that.

People go to Dealy Plaza and realizing it being a short distance, and therefore plausible, that it dismisses all the other weird connections about it.

Oswald being stationed in Japan at a base where the CIA was running spyplanes, Oswald being in New Orleans at the same time the CIA was training Cuban exiles there, JFK rejecting Operation Northwoods, JFK pulling support of the Bay of Pigs Invasion, Operation 40 training Cuban exiles to assassinate Cuban officials with M91/38 Carcano rifles, Oswald defecting to Russia during the height of the Cold War, and coming back to the US to just work a regular job, the OSS working with the Mafia to invade Italy in WWII, and then mob connected Jack Ruby spends the rest of his life in prison all because he just loved JFK so much and wanted to avenge him.


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One problem with all that BS. He could have gotten a Soviet visa right there in Dallas.
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He was living in a flop with his wife.  How broke?  That broke.  I would believe he picked the Carcano because it was the cheapest rifle he could find.

Then again...he did find the money to go visit the Soviet embassy in Mexico City, and weren't some of the rifles that were going to be given to the emigres participating in the Bay of Pigs, also Carcanos?

Stories of real life often don't fit into a neat box---in fact, it's kind of a warning that someone is lying to you about some details when they do---but there've always been a bunch of, "Wait, what?!," pieces to the LHO story.  Starting with the defection.

Oswald was never in Mexico city.


Try.  Again.

From the Politico link:  

"Only hours after shots rang out in Dealey Plaza on November 22, 1963, U.S. Ambassador Thomas C. Mann told colleagues in the American embassy in Mexico that he was certain Lee Harvey Oswald had not acted alone in killing JFK.

Oswald had visited Mexico City several weeks earlier, apparently to obtain a visa that would allow the self-proclaimed Marxist to defect to Cuba, and Mann, a veteran diplomat, suspected that a plot to kill Kennedy had been hatched on Mexican soil, during Oswald’s encounters there with Cuban diplomats and Mexicans who supported Fidel Castro’s revolution. How did Mann know about those meetings? It turned out the CIA had Oswald under surveillance in the Mexican capital after he had showed up at both the Cuban and Soviet embassies there...."


EDIT:  Since @curiomatic had the Politico link, here's an archive link for the NYT article.  Not terribly helpful except, in accordance with the general rule that nothing fits together in the JFK assassination, the Times article mentions that the declassified files (that were the subject of the article) noted the Soviets were tired of Oswald after his suicide attempt, and "wanted to wash their hands of him."  

OK, I get that.  He sounds like a whiny asshole.  But they were so pissed at him they let him stay another two years, and threw a general's daughter at the guy?  Some hand washing.


One problem with all that BS. He could have gotten a Soviet visa right there in Dallas.


Indeed.  Yet he was there.  Refusing to take the hint to just F off already, and asking for all sorts of people (allegedly) that he shouldn't have known.  The Soviets had to think the guy was some sort of provocateur for the US.  Which is the only reason I can imagine why LHO didn't just end up a permanent Gulag guest after the brief blurb of publicity from his defection died down. Or garden fertilizer like so many others.  Different time than Stalin's of course, and maybe that's why the Soviets treated him with kid gloves.  

I think the Soviets just ignored him as much as possible in Mexico.  Plus, the whole time they were probably freaking out, looking around for the intelligence agency equivalent to Allen Funt to hop out of the bushes and let them know they were on Candid Camera, should they mistreat him or tried to seriously recruit him again.
Link Posted: 11/3/2023 11:38:00 PM EST
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Sometimes the simplest explanation is the best explanation. LHO was the shooter. The only shooter. He shot from his place of employment. Motorcade route was well publicized days earlier. Personally, I think he acted on his own but we'll never know for sure. Jack Ruby's killing of LHO is the reason for the uncertainty. And Ruby was killed which means we will never know sure. True or not I imagine the conspiracy theories will be with us until we invent time travel.
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Jack Ruby died in prison, of a pulmonary embolism after being diagnosed with lung cancer.
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Thank you for the correction. Inspired me to read up on him a little bit. In a deathbed interview he said he was actually going to a Western Union. Did not even know LHO was going to be moved that day. Was attracted to the scene by photographers flashbulbs. Had been very distraught over Kennedy's killing and just acted out of rage on impulse with a pistol he always carried. As far as I'm concerned, while many may have seemed to have had motives I'm comfortable with the view that LHO acted on his own and was the one and only shooter.  I know not everyone will agree with that and that's ok. I was 8 years old. There was God, The President, and Dad and Mom. Things like this weren't supposed to happen. My third grade teacher wheeled a tv into the classroom so we could all watch the news. I know people love conspiracy theories and I'm sure this one will go on for some time. In spite of the "aw, not this shit again" response to these threads, this particular thread lead me to information that puts the issue to rest, at least for me.
Link Posted: 11/4/2023 1:45:58 AM EST
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One last thing I learned that I never knew:

On April 10, 1963, just seven months before he shot and killed President John F. Kennedy, the inscrutable assassin Lee Harvey Oswald crouched behind a fence in an upscale Dallas neighborhood and aimed his rifle at the window of an ultra-conservative firebrand named Edwin Walker, a former U.S. Army general.


Oswald fired, but the bullet caromed off the windowsill and missed Walker's head by an inch. The Dallas Police Department's investigation came up cold and Oswald, already flagged by the FBI, evaded further scrutiny. The weapon that Oswald fired at Walker a Mannlicher-Carcano rifle bought under a false name was the very same that would take President Kennedy's life on November 22 of that same year.


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One last thing I learned that I never knew:

On April 10, 1963, just seven months before he shot and killed President John F. Kennedy, the inscrutable assassin Lee Harvey Oswald crouched behind a fence in an upscale Dallas neighborhood and aimed his rifle at the window of an ultra-conservative firebrand named Edwin Walker, a former U.S. Army general.


Oswald fired, but the bullet caromed off the windowsill and missed Walker's head by an inch. The Dallas Police Department's investigation came up cold and Oswald, already flagged by the FBI, evaded further scrutiny. The weapon that Oswald fired at Walker a Mannlicher-Carcano rifle bought under a false name was the very same that would take President Kennedy's life on November 22 of that same year.


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Jack Ruby died in prison, of a pulmonary embolism after being diagnosed with lung cancer.
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And before the hit on Oswald, deposited $50K in the bank.



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I watched an Interview with NSA photo Analyst  Dino Brugioni who worked on the original Zapruder film when it arrived in Washington. He was shown the copy in the National Archives and immediately started framed were missing at the point of  the bullet strikes. He appeared to be visibly shaken by this realization, and commented on it several times.
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I was following this controversy back when the only way tosee the Zabruder film was to order a copy from an ad in Rolling Stone. I've gone from conspiracy believer to Oswald did the shooting alone believer. I'm open that somebody may have put Oswald up to it.
My favorite semi-crackpot theory is that Oswald was actually trying to kill Connelly and hit Kennedy by accident.
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He worked part time in a book depository, he was poor as fuck.
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Books were already on the way out by then. He should have worked at an Apple or Verizon store. I'm sure they paid better.
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He also hung out with a bunch of deep cia guys and hung out with former business CIA oil men in Dallas.

Turns out he did know David Ferrie the whole time as well. David Ferrie also wrote two different suicide notes and promptly had an aneurism/broke his neck.

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He also hung out with a bunch of deep cia guys and hung out with former business CIA oil men in Dallas.

Turns out he did know David Ferrie the whole time as well. David Ferrie also wrote two different suicide notes and promptly had an aneurism/broke his neck.

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Books were already on the way out by then. He should have worked at an Apple or Verizon store. I'm sure they paid better.
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He did play in a band at night to help supplement his income.
Link Posted: 11/4/2023 9:33:02 PM EST
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Thank you for the correction. Inspired me to read up on him a little bit. In a deathbed interview he said he was actually going to a Western Union. Did not even know LHO was going to be moved that day. Was attracted to the scene by photographers flashbulbs. Had been very distraught over Kennedy's killing and just acted out of rage on impulse with a pistol he always carried. As far as I'm concerned, while many may have seemed to have had motives I'm comfortable with the view that LHO acted on his own and was the one and only shooter.  I know not everyone will agree with that and that's ok. I was 8 years old. There was God, The President, and Dad and Mom. Things like this weren't supposed to happen. My third grade teacher wheeled a tv into the classroom so we could all watch the news. I know people love conspiracy theories and I'm sure this one will go on for some time. In spite of the "aw, not this shit again" response to these threads, this particular thread lead me to information that puts the issue to rest, at least for me.
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Jack Ruby died in prison, of a pulmonary embolism after being diagnosed with lung cancer.
Thank you for the correction. Inspired me to read up on him a little bit. In a deathbed interview he said he was actually going to a Western Union. Did not even know LHO was going to be moved that day. Was attracted to the scene by photographers flashbulbs. Had been very distraught over Kennedy's killing and just acted out of rage on impulse with a pistol he always carried. As far as I'm concerned, while many may have seemed to have had motives I'm comfortable with the view that LHO acted on his own and was the one and only shooter.  I know not everyone will agree with that and that's ok. I was 8 years old. There was God, The President, and Dad and Mom. Things like this weren't supposed to happen. My third grade teacher wheeled a tv into the classroom so we could all watch the news. I know people love conspiracy theories and I'm sure this one will go on for some time. In spite of the "aw, not this shit again" response to these threads, this particular thread lead me to information that puts the issue to rest, at least for me.

Wasn't Jack Ruby awaiting a retrial when he died?  If so, I'm not surprised that he maintained his claim of innocence.
I was in the sixth grade when JFK was assassinated.  The hatred and dislike for JFK among mainstream Republicans was real. The hate and anger that we see in movies like JFK and Bridge of Spies was real. Most of the adults in my world at that time were upset that the President was dead, not that JFK was dead.
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I think you are right. Lee Harvey Oswald didn't kill JFK. The kill shot came from the front.
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If Oswald was a loan wolf and the only shooter then why is everything of substance still classified?
  It’s been almost 60 years and Oswald is dead.
Occam’s Razor   There are agency’s and people who are still alive declassification would hurt.   Why would those who have the ability to release all of the information and set the record straight not doing so?  It’s because they are the ones who would be hurt or are being forced or blackmailed by those people or agency’s.
 There is obviously incriminating information showing criminal behavior.  There is no other good or obvious reason for the Government 60 years later to be holding onto information.  

The CIA was either directly involved or at the very least turned a blind eye.  
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As an interesting side note, does anyone here know Jack Ruby's real name?
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I was following this controversy back when the only way tosee the Zabruder film was to order a copy from an ad in Rolling Stone. I've gone from conspiracy believer to Oswald did the shooting alone believer. I'm open that somebody may have put Oswald up to it.
My favorite semi-crackpot theory is that Oswald was actually trying to kill Connelly and hit Kennedy by accident.
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I took an IPSC RO class in the late 80's up in Seattle.  I don't recall the instructor's name, but he hated the editor of one of the major gun mags at the time.  In any event, he had a ~5 minute video on the Zapruder film.  

It purported to show the limo driver shot JFK with a shiny pistol with his left hand over his right shoulder.  Several people got copies of the video, including me.  Unfortunately, it's been lost to time and moving etc.  I haven't seen the video in probably 25-almost 30 years and I've never seen it discussed or shown since.
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It purported to show the limo driver shot JFK with a shiny pistol with his left hand over his right shoulder.  Several people got copies of the video, including me.  Unfortunately, it's been lost to time and moving etc.  I haven't seen the video is probably 25-almost 30 years and I've never seen it discussed or shown since.
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It purported to show the limo driver shot JFK with a shiny pistol with his left hand over his right shoulder.  Several people got copies of the video, including me.  Unfortunately, it's been lost to time and moving etc.  I haven't seen the video is probably 25-almost 30 years and I've never seen it discussed or shown since.


I am glad that conspiracy theory is dead. That one is incredibly ridiculous. Not only did not one single witness see or otherwise report it, but the Connelly's and Jackie Kennedy were in the car thus they must have been complacent with the assassination which is of course garbage, but even if we unpack that what about the hundred of other witnesses or Oswald and his rifle?

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If Oswald was a loan wolf and the only shooter then why is everything of substance still classified?
  It’s been almost 60 years and Oswald is dead.
Occam’s Razor   There are agency’s and people who are still alive declassification would hurt.   Why would those who have the ability to release all of the information and set the record straight not doing so?  It’s because they are the ones who would be hurt or are being forced or blackmailed by those people or agency’s.
 There is obviously incriminating information showing criminal behavior.  There is no other good or obvious reason for the Government 60 years later to be holding onto information.  

The CIA was either directly involved or at the very least turned a blind eye.  


I believed in a conspiracy for a long time, now I do not. This is a problem with conspiracy theories, a lack of an answer is not evidence of a conspiracy. Just like not having an alibi isn't proof someone committed a murder. You still need evidence, and that is what all of these conspiracy theories lack. Refusing to declassify is not evidence of a conspiracy. Additionally by extension, every President (including Trump) must be in on the conspiracy if they are willfully withholding information containing a deep state assassination of a sitting American president from the American public. Now considering the FOIA's are a thing, and the government has a history of going after whistleblowers and leakers, is it so surprising they don't want to release the assassination information (or anything for that matter?). I mean doesn't the govt still refuse to acknowledge Delta Force is a thing? Is that evidence of a conspiracy? Maybe Delta Force assassinated Kennedy, I mean where were they during the assassination, why not admit they are real?
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Dont matter why. Oswald shot Kennedy with a Carcajou and anyone that believes otherwise is is kind of dumb to be honest. Easy shot with any rifle
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Yeah, but how did he shoot him through his back and through his forehead from the book depository?
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He couldn't afford anything better. He was perpetually broke and worked menial jobs. The carcano was about 180 dollars in todays money.
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Way more than that. If someone was earning $1.00 an hour in 1964 they were doing okay. When I started working the minimum wage was $1.85 an hour in 1973. I had a job that paid $3.00 an hour and I was doing great. People resenting me because a "kid" shouldn't make that much.
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Who did you hear that from?
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I had always heard carcanos were shit? Was this not commonly known at the time? Surely all the ww2 vet gun store bros were around talking about how Carcanos were shit.
Who did you hear that from?


Carcano's were the worst rifle fielded in WWII. An outdated technology from the 1800's.
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Mmm.   Here's apparently how they group with irons.   Who thinks a slow rolling bowling ball at 85 yards with a scope is that hard for a practiced rifleman who knows his gun, with a scope?

https://www.ammoland.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/carcano13.jpg

Here's a guy running a bolt action with his left hand and the heavier recoilimg 30-06 shooting at a target 200 yards away running irons.  Running about 3 rounds in 6 second window, from prone (which is slower to work the bolt).  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTRUbL9Ixbc

I dont know anybody who can't make that shot with that gear from that position in that time window.
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I had always heard carcanos were shit? Was this not commonly known at the time? Surely all the ww2 vet gun store bros were around talking about how Carcanos were shit.

Mmm.   Here's apparently how they group with irons.   Who thinks a slow rolling bowling ball at 85 yards with a scope is that hard for a practiced rifleman who knows his gun, with a scope?

https://www.ammoland.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/carcano13.jpg

Here's a guy running a bolt action with his left hand and the heavier recoilimg 30-06 shooting at a target 200 yards away running irons.  Running about 3 rounds in 6 second window, from prone (which is slower to work the bolt).  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTRUbL9Ixbc

I dont know anybody who can't make that shot with that gear from that position in that time window.


Stationary target of a known distance is not comparable.

JFK's skull pieces ending up on the trunk suggests getting shot in the head from the front of the vehicle.

Lee Harvey Oswald should have been in prison way before 11/22/1964.
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Go watch Oliver Stone's deep dive documentary JFK: Revisited and ALL your questions will be answered and you will never trust "the government" again. Oswald wasn't the only marine patsy they were going to use. They planned to get him in Chicago earlier but 5hat trip fell through so they whacked him later in Dallas with Oswald.



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Oliver Stone...... HAHAHAHAHA
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