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Posted: 10/29/2019 11:47:36 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah, I guess that makes sense. caught it in with radiography. |
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Posted: 10/29/2019 11:50:30 AM EDT
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It's pretty quiet right now. I'm really not worried about it.
I'd rather have them all in port getting polished up and good MX for the future. |
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Posted: 10/29/2019 11:51:43 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: And YET, MINSY installed ALL of the Emergency Blow system check valves on my boat backwards caught it in with radiography. |
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Posted: 10/29/2019 11:53:25 AM EDT
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Because you are dealing with nuclear reactors and nuclear waste and you have to cut holes in the ship to exchange the fuel rods then button everything back up and do a lot of testing. And there's only one place to do it. Not like gassing up the family grocery getter.  The World Is Not Enough - Final Fight | Submarine (HD) @1:38 You can even do it while the ship is sinking. 
I'm told this scene is funny as hell to anyone who has actually worked around a naval reactor. |
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Posted: 10/29/2019 11:57:11 AM EDT
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Fuckin Obama 8 years of neglect of our military needs results in the above |
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Posted: 10/29/2019 12:01:10 PM EDT
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8 hours a day, 5 days a week minus holidays. That 4 years also includes the other non nuclear standard overhaul work. You have to prep the ship, when the reactors are open no other work is being done. So there's a lot of work getting it into and out of the refuelling facility. THEN all tge normal stuff. Because it takes so long there is usually a long list of unfinished maintenance that gets rolled over until the next yard period, delaying it 3 years or so unless something breaks. There ain't no lollygagging. Procedures for working on nukes read like, "worker number one torque 4 bolts to some specified spec. Worker number 2 torques those same 4 bolts independently to the same spec." It's very slow and methodical work because there can be no accidents. |
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Posted: 10/29/2019 12:13:29 PM EDT
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8 hours a day, 5 days a week minus holidays. That 4 years also includes the other non nuclear standard overhaul work. You have to prep the ship, when the reactors are open no other work is being done. So there's a lot of work getting it into and out of the refuelling facility. THEN all tge normal stuff. Because it takes so long there is usually a long list of unfinished maintenance that gets rolled over until the next yard period, delaying it 3 years or so unless something breaks. There ain't no lollygagging. Procedures for working on nukes read like, "worker number one torque 4 bolts to some specified spec. Worker number 2 torques those same 4 bolts independently to the same spec." It's very slow and methodical work because there can be no accidents. 
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Posted: 10/29/2019 12:32:55 PM EDT
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In CA (San Diego) you can see the carriers in port from the freeway, their ship numbers clearly visible. They aren't exactly small and can't be hidden by parking them around the corner. Will say that making the details of their status public is a bit WTF worthy though. And while carrier maintenance/refits/refueling are usually planned years in advance, I am sure the sudden onset "Hawk" democrats will bludgeon Trump with our state of military readiness. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Quoted: And this information is made public  Will say that making the details of their status public is a bit WTF worthy though. And while carrier maintenance/refits/refueling are usually planned years in advance, I am sure the sudden onset "Hawk" democrats will bludgeon Trump with our state of military readiness. When you are strong, appear weak. When you are weak, appear strong. When you are far away, appear near. All war is deception. |
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Posted: 10/29/2019 12:38:00 PM EDT
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Thanks to Obama for cutting budgets. He even cut SOCOMs/JSOCs budget enough that it was causing training and equipment issues. Yet, he used them more than ever so that there were "less boots on the ground".
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Posted: 10/29/2019 12:45:47 PM EDT
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Quote Historyn/m |
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Posted: 10/29/2019 12:46:11 PM EDT
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I ought to take you to see one. Its like the tenement housing of the military. The Navy gave up plenty of personnel and O&M bucks for the GWOT, and this is the result. They are starting to push back on both. This is what you're seeing. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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tl; dr Here's a summary: Navy: "give us more money. Terrible things will happen if you don't." The Navy gave up plenty of personnel and O&M bucks for the GWOT, and this is the result. They are starting to push back on both. This is what you're seeing. Of course, I will freely admit to not understanding the need for 11 carriers right now. It would seem that the level of force projection that represents is something that is more based on overweening pride than necessity. |
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Posted: 10/29/2019 12:47:28 PM EDT
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But did the chain of command read the 98 page Commanders Guide to Transgendered Sailors? Trump's fault. Or Bush's. Well, some Republican, that is for sure. |
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Posted: 10/29/2019 12:49:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm aware. But it still seems wrong. |
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Posted: 10/29/2019 12:57:42 PM EDT
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I'm sure Schitt for brains already emailed the Chicoms.
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Posted: 10/29/2019 12:58:21 PM EDT
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The Rocket Man in Korea probably have wet dreams about all those Carriers lined up like that. Even if he could hit them, any overt strike on the US would mean he loses China's support (until China decides to step in when we're "weak")... and Best Korea without China is Dead Korea. |
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Posted: 10/29/2019 12:59:37 PM EDT
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Wasn't the Navy shooting to reduce manning so that they could justify more expensive ships? I thought that was the point of the LCS program. Of course, I will freely admit to not understanding the need for 11 carriers right now. It would seem that the level of force projection that represents is something that is more based on overweening pride than necessity. |
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Posted: 10/29/2019 1:00:14 PM EDT
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Flag officer incompetence these days is frankly breathtaking. |
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Posted: 10/29/2019 1:01:08 PM EDT
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Sounds kinda pearl harbor ish
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Posted: 10/29/2019 1:27:14 PM EDT
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In December 2012 only the Eisenhower was at sea of all the carriers. And it was returning to port.. The 2.0 presence requirement in the Arabian Gulf was extended WAYYYY too long and that had domino effects to maintenance and rotation schedules of the entire carrier fleet. We can surge carriers forward for ops, but that isn't sustainable. Lincoln also got caught by the start of OIF. They did their standard 8 month deployment in the Gulf in 2002 and were headed home. They got diverted to Australia where they spent a month to resurface the flight deck, then turned right around to the Gulf for the kickoff of OIF. So they did two deployments with almost no turn around and were away from home for more than a year. Ships pull in and out of port all the time. Since we have so few carriers it's easy to count them. Nobody is nit picking how many destroyers are at sea vs in port. |
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Posted: 10/29/2019 1:27:56 PM EDT
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And this information is made public You can drive by the piers and see the carriers parked there. Google images will have pictures of the base and shipyard updated in a couple weeks. |
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Posted: 10/29/2019 1:29:15 PM EDT
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27,000 people working 24/7 at NNS right now. How many vessels are they working on? A pipe fitter isn't a welder isn't a nuclear tech isn't an IT guy... |
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Posted: 10/29/2019 1:31:24 PM EDT
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Thank god we are not facing an eminent war. Also explains why Trump is eager to get our boys home. We have our pants down around our ankles at the moment. 
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Posted: 10/29/2019 1:36:30 PM EDT
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Wasn't the Navy shooting to reduce manning so that they could justify more expensive ships? I thought that was the point of the LCS program. Of course, I will freely admit to not understanding the need for 11 carriers right now. It would seem that the level of force projection that represents is something that is more based on overweening pride than necessity. Since one is still in construction and one is being refueled we really have 9 About 1/3 of the crew turns over every year. You are constantly training to replace that lost talent. The critical areas are training the flight deck crew to safely launch and recover aircraft, the bridge watch crews to safely operate and navigate the ship, the self defense crews to safely and effectively operate the sensors and weapons, the DC crews to perform fire fighting, flooding and other emergency response/damage control and the deck and supply teams (including weapons Department) to safely and efficiently conduct replenishment and stores/ammunition handling. And that is just the ship's company. Similar turnover rate in the airwing/squadrons. |
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Posted: 10/29/2019 1:37:28 PM EDT
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this 8 years of neglect of our military needs results in the above Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Fuckin Obama 8 years of neglect of our military needs results in the above Can some of the more knowledgeable members explain the effects the SBCA had on our carriers and what could be happening now with them as a result of the new increase in the defense budget? |
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Posted: 10/29/2019 1:37:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryBecause it's always a good thing to junk a needed asset.
When it's needed in a few years Trump will be a genius. |
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Posted: 10/29/2019 1:39:44 PM EDT
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Carriers are very complicated. Seems like making them less complicated might help. Let start by ripping out that expensive and complicated nuclear reactor and propulsion system for starters. The space saved can hold coal and then we can hire on thousands of guys to shovel the coal into the fireboxes. |
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Posted: 10/29/2019 1:42:25 PM EDT
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So basically were out of commission as a super power. 
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Posted: 10/29/2019 1:44:39 PM EDT
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I think F35s are almost good to go for deployment, right?
Edit: They're IOC, but not deployed until 2021 |
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Posted: 10/29/2019 1:44:48 PM EDT
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You guys think this is bad? I suggest not to look at the state of the aircraft that fly on those..... |
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Posted: 10/29/2019 1:45:50 PM EDT
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Why in the blue fuck does refueling take 4 years? If one were to whack the enviroweenie regs out and just do it “normal” safely, how long would it REALLY take? How do you access the reactor room to remove large components? I guess in your world you would push the reactor easy button and "poof" it would be done. |
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Posted: 10/29/2019 1:49:28 PM EDT
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You guys think this is bad? I suggest not to look at the state of the aircraft that fly on those..... |
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Posted: 10/29/2019 1:51:55 PM EDT
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But did the chain of command read the 98 page Commanders Guide to Transgendered Sailors? |
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Posted: 10/29/2019 1:53:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: And this information is made public As if any adversary more advanced than ISIS isn’t already able to track the movements of things as big as aircraft carrier battle groups...
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Posted: 10/29/2019 1:54:41 PM EDT
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Pearl Harbor 2: the Boogaloo !!! https://publicradio1-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/newscut/files/legacy/content_images/aircraft_carriers_large.jpg
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Posted: 10/29/2019 1:55:49 PM EDT
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Sounds kinda pearl harbor ish |
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Posted: 10/29/2019 1:59:35 PM EDT
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lol traffic around NNS must suuuuucck.
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Posted: 10/29/2019 2:09:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You don't know shit about Aircraft Carrier maintenance or what's involved in working on one. How do you access the reactor room to remove large components? I guess in your world you would push the reactor easy button and "poof" it would be done. The thing was around 8 feet in diameter, I have no idea how heavy it was, multi tons I'm sure. They had to build a plywood mockup of the gear the exact size of it, then cut holes in the decks from the hangar bay down to the engineering spaces. I saw it in the hangar bay. Then they had to do a dry run moving the plywood replica down to the space and back up to plan how to get it down there, rig and de-rig the cranes as they went. All that before they pulled out the broken one. They had to do all that planning and trial so when they actually did it they could get the part in and out safely and didn't get a very expensive, precision machined mutli-ton piece of steel stuck inside the ship or damaged before it got installed. THEN, after they got the gear installed, they had to repair all the holes they cut in the ship. And all of that was non-nuclear work. |
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Posted: 10/29/2019 2:10:05 PM EDT
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I only saw 2 at NOB today and I was out on the harbor.
So 2 there, 2 at Newport News getting worked on, 1 at Portsmouth Navy yard, and the Ford is underway doing sea trials. |
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Posted: 10/29/2019 2:10:24 PM EDT
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lol traffic around NNS must suuuuucck. |
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Posted: 10/29/2019 2:14:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryThat article is a great piece on why the Navy needs moar MON$Y.
One of the issues that it doesn't address is: The cyber warfare they mention is not a defined activity of the Navy or really of any service. Yet every service is trying to be the one that fights it. It is of particular interest to me since I am trying to transfer over to Cyber Operations. |
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Posted: 10/29/2019 2:14:29 PM EDT
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You don't know shit about Aircraft Carrier maintenance or what's involved in working on one. How do you access the reactor room to remove large components? I guess in your world you would push the reactor easy button and "poof" it would be done. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Why in the blue fuck does refueling take 4 years? If one were to whack the enviroweenie regs out and just do it “normal” safely, how long would it REALLY take? How do you access the reactor room to remove large components? I guess in your world you would push the reactor easy button and "poof" it would be done.
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Posted: 10/29/2019 2:19:01 PM EDT
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They Navy thinks it will save money or be more efficient by contracting maintenance on LCS to defense companies and have small crews. It isn't working. Shit breaks, no one knows how it works on the boat because it is a contractors job to fix, and it feels like the contractors are getting hired off of craigslist and being handed a maintenance card then turned loose on the boat. Its a shit show. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Wasn't the Navy shooting to reduce manning so that they could justify more expensive ships? I thought that was the point of the LCS program. Of course, I will freely admit to not understanding the need for 11 carriers right now. It would seem that the level of force projection that represents is something that is more based on overweening pride than necessity. |
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Posted: 10/29/2019 2:31:27 PM EDT
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Maybe preparation for something big we don't yet know about. It isn't as if it is easy to hide something that big.
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Posted: 10/29/2019 2:37:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So basically were out of commission as a super power. |
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Posted: 10/29/2019 2:39:19 PM EDT
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Were doin better than anyone else. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 10/29/2019 2:44:45 PM EDT
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Till the money runs out. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 10/29/2019 2:45:41 PM EDT
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How many are wrench turners vs. admin support, finance, inspectors, security, etc.? How many vessels are they working on? A pipe fitter isn't a welder isn't a nuclear tech isn't an IT guy... |
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Posted: 10/29/2019 2:47:16 PM EDT
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Maybe preparation for something big we don't yet know about. It isn't as if it is easy to hide something that big. |
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Posted: 10/29/2019 2:49:37 PM EDT
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From an dummy outsider looking in....it doesn’t seem like a great idea to have that many carriers sitting in one place....it looks like a pretty juicy target to someone wanting to start some shit.
It does make for a pretty cool picture though. |
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Posted: 10/29/2019 2:49:59 PM EDT
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I'm glad I'm not in that traffic anymore!
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