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From what I've noticed, and my own personal experience, someone that has a very high bench press # should excel at any other movements, be it pulling or pushing. It's hard to develop a high bench press # if you don't work on everything else. My bench # didn't go up dramatically until I started taking my back workouts seriously.
As far as functionality goes, the amount of grip strength you need to be able to rep heavier weight(which is relative of course) would be a positive in my book. |
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Well OP I found that "I can bench press "insert large number here" lbs" means they going to blow out a rotatory cup and not be able to bench shit.
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A man is strong, and smart, if he can carry a large diaper bag, lunch box, pack 'n play, plus two children up a flight of stairs so that he doesn't have to make two trips.
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I used to bench competitively. On my team, benching twice your BW was the goal. I was close but never made it to 2.0 I never really noticed my bench helping with anything else. I used to box/mma as a hobby and it seemed to help with that. However, it killed my flexibility in my upper body so it hurt me more than it helped me YMMV Now my elbows and shoulders ache on the regular. People don't know the back scratching struggle of a bencher The struggle is real |
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A man is strong, and smart, if he can carry a large diaper bag, lunch box, pack 'n play, plus two children up a flight of stairs so that he doesn't have to make two trips. View Quote Work smarter, not harder. I gave up the pack and play years ago when I figured out shock collars and a few feet of wire looped in a circle works just as well, and at a fraction of the weight and bulk. Just gotta make sure the batteries are fresh or those little assholes will try to just power through it. |
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I think as a man you should be able to bench your body weight at the very least. Practically that should be all you need. That is minimum though. View Quote I used to subscribe to that but I am 6'3" and hover around 300 lbs but my arms are over 3' long. That's a LOT of weight to push a considerable distance. Had a guy in High School who was about 5'9" and benched like 475, but his arms were about 18" long. Apples and oranges. My co-worker attends crossfit and he brags when he goes and out benches all of his male cohorts because its the only thing he can beat them at. I told him hes not overall stronger just stronger in one area. The other guys run proverbial circles around him. |
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I used to subscribe to that but I am 6'3" and hover around 300 lbs but my arms are over 3' long. That's a LOT of weight to push a considerable distance. Had a guy in High School who was about 5'9" and benched like 475, but his arms were about 18" long. Apples and oranges. My co-worker attends crossfit and he brags when he goes and out benches all of his male cohorts because its the only thing he can beat them at. I told him hes not overall stronger just stronger in one area. The other guys run proverbial circles around him. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I think as a man you should be able to bench your body weight at the very least. Practically that should be all you need. That is minimum though. I used to subscribe to that but I am 6'3" and hover around 300 lbs but my arms are over 3' long. That's a LOT of weight to push a considerable distance. Had a guy in High School who was about 5'9" and benched like 475, but his arms were about 18" long. Apples and oranges. My co-worker attends crossfit and he brags when he goes and out benches all of his male cohorts because its the only thing he can beat them at. I told him hes not overall stronger just stronger in one area. The other guys run proverbial circles around him. I'm about 5'9" and my arms are 18" AROUND son ....they're also short as fuck so I'm like a t-rex bench presser |
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Here is my real world story of strength.
Long, long ago in a Corps far, far away there was a machine gunner who could bench insane amounts. This dude was big. His uniforms had to be altered. He had to have variances. This guy would do one arm pull ups just to fuck with us. During our PFTs when the rest of us were busting our ass to get our 20 pull ups he would do them real slow and then pause and kiss each bicep. It was funny at the time. Then we would do a fifteen or twenty mile hump and all the rest of us 170 pound grunts would end up carrying our own weapons system(smaw for me), what ever part of his machine gun he had, and then have to drag him. But hey, he could lift heavy things. Don't know if there is a point or moral to that story but I thought I would share. |
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meh, take it with a grain of salt. I can bench about my body weight and not much more due to surgery on my arm. But I can dead lift more than double my body weight and squat more than triple. So I guess I'm a weak nancy boy since my bench isn't impressive.
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I'm in my 40's so I don't bench "heavy" anymore. On a flat bench, chest day I do 5 sets of 25 with 225lbs. Gives me a crazy pump.
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Even when in terrible shape I could bench over 300. Very useful if I'm pinned by a movie trope. Otherwise... Useless.
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I never did put much emphasis on benching.
edit: about 15 years ago I seriously wrestled by BIL who is an acclaimed power lifter and mopped him up at every turn to the horror of my little sister. Sister: Get off of him, get off of him!!! Me: Not a chance if you don't take the picture.!! |
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Bench is one of the most overrated exercises unless you play football.
Any exercise that doesn't involve your feet firmly planted on the ground is not functional. Functional strength comes from the ground. |
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Bench is one of the most overrated exercises unless you play football. Any exercise that doesn't involve your feet firmly planted on the ground is not functional. Functional strength comes from the ground. View Quote Well you must be benching wrong. I've popped the soles loose on my shoes benching! |
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If you want to become good at something, then practice that something. Lifting weights will make you good at lifting weights. It will not make you a better fighter, you have to train at fighting for that.
Benching and structured work outs miss important structural muscles that are worked while lifting and moving stuff around, like doing farm work. Crossfit seems to be a good tool for filling those muscular gaps, however I am not a crossfitter, just going from what I've observed. |
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If you want to become good at something, then practice that something. Lifting weights will make you good at lifting weights. It will not make you a better fighter, you have to train at fighting for that. Benching and structured work outs miss important structural muscles that are worked while lifting and moving stuff around, like doing farm work. Crossfit seems to be a good tool for filling those muscular gaps, however I am not a crossfitter, just going from what I've observed. View Quote My instructor can barbell glute bridge 800#. That's an advantage. Being strong I mean. If all else is equal, strong>weak. |
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It improves your ability to push things away from your chest so, in theory, it might improve punching, View Quote If you punch using your chest, I am pretty sure you are doing it wrong. Tight / overdeveloped pectorials interfere a little with punching, IMHO (they make them slower). Most of the force of a punch should be generated from rotation of the hips, and not the triceps / deltoids. |
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190 is weight bench 235. Squat is around 200, dead lift im a pussy and dont do
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KETTLEBELLS are the only "free weights" I will use anymore. I do other exercise as well, but in my experience proper kettlebell exercise developes true, lasting, explosive strength. Bench pressing is "lazy" exercise, by comparison and asking "how much do/can you bench" is tantamount to a dick measuring contest. View Quote Please explain how kettlebells build better "true lasting explosive strength" over barbell training. ETA- Kettlebells are great for conditioning work and a little strength. They not a replacement for a dedicated barbell strength program. If you're interested in getting strong, kettlebells are NOT solution. |
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I don't bench because I'm more into Oly lifting which doesn't include bench. That said being stronger is always better. "functional" being stronger always translates. Period. Now at some point, you may reach a level of strength that would require so much effort to improve upon that you would have to sacrifice other facets of fitness. For example, if you're not a competitive power lifter you may reach a point where you say "my bench is good enough, and I need to maintain some endurance so I'm not going to devote extra time to bench press". That's fine.
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Power clean to overhead press is a better gauge of overall strength. View Quote Overhead press is garbage. Your shoulders are not meant to rotate in that direction and how often do you lift something over your head in real life? Bench, squat, and deadlift are the big 3 for a reason. |
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Overhead press is garbage. Your shoulders are not meant to rotate in that direction and how often do you lift something over your head in real life? Bench, squat, and deadlift are the big 3 for a reason. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Power clean to overhead press is a better gauge of overall strength. Overhead press is garbage. Your shoulders are not meant to rotate in that direction and how often do you lift something over your head in real life? Bench, squat, and deadlift are the big 3 for a reason. You don't lift stuff overhead? There's nothing wrong with OHP and there's nothing unnatural about the movement if you do it right. |
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Well you must be benching wrong. I've popped the soles loose on my shoes benching! View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Bench is one of the most overrated exercises unless you play football. Any exercise that doesn't involve your feet firmly planted on the ground is not functional. Functional strength comes from the ground. Well you must be benching wrong. I've popped the soles loose on my shoes benching! You re right but you misunderstand my point. An exercise s functionality is dependent upon how often real world scenarios come up that allow someone to apply their strength. Real world positions and objects limit functionality. Most real world activities involve being on your feet and applying force to things that don't have nice handles. How often is anyone in a real world scenario that has them with their back on the ground or against an immovable object so they can put that 350lbs bench to use? How about essentially never. It's not even good if someone has you mounted in a fight... This isn't to say that bench doesn't build chest and triceps muscle and strength but it's probably less functional than doing push-ups... Which is less functional than kettlebells deadlifts squats grip training etc |
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You don't lift stuff overhead? There's nothing wrong with OHP and there's nothing unnatural about the movement if you do it right. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Power clean to overhead press is a better gauge of overall strength. Overhead press is garbage. Your shoulders are not meant to rotate in that direction and how often do you lift something over your head in real life? Bench, squat, and deadlift are the big 3 for a reason. You don't lift stuff overhead? There's nothing wrong with OHP and there's nothing unnatural about the movement if you do it right. It's a rarity for me to do overhead , and when I do its with dumbells and modest weight. I get a nasty shoulder impingement if I try to use a barbell and it cripples me for a few weeks. You are right, form is critical to avoid injury. I enjoy power cleans as well |
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Overhead press is garbage. Your shoulders are not meant to rotate in that direction and how often do you lift something over your head in real life? Bench, squat, and deadlift are the big 3 for a reason. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Power clean to overhead press is a better gauge of overall strength. Overhead press is garbage. Your shoulders are not meant to rotate in that direction and how often do you lift something over your head in real life? Bench, squat, and deadlift are the big 3 for a reason. Your shoulders are certainly meant to rotate in that direction or else they wouldn't go in that direction in the first place. Any muscle or joint or range of motion not used leads to atrophy of that muscle / joint / range of motion and resulting weakness/failure whenever having to peform that motion. That's also why I said it's a good indication of overall strength because if you've got that, then you've probably got it all. |
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You re right but you misunderstand my point. An exercise s functionality is dependent upon how often real world scenarios come up that allow someone to apply their strength. Real world positions and objects limit functionality. Most real world activities involve being on your feet and applying force to things that don't have nice handles. How often is anyone in a real world scenario that has them with their back on the ground or against an immovable object so they can put that 350lbs bench to use? How about essentially never. It's not even good if someone has you mounted in a fight... This isn't to say that bench doesn't build chest and triceps muscle and strength but it's probably less functional than doing push-ups... Which is less functional than kettlebells deadlifts squats grip training etc View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Bench is one of the most overrated exercises unless you play football. Any exercise that doesn't involve your feet firmly planted on the ground is not functional. Functional strength comes from the ground. Well you must be benching wrong. I've popped the soles loose on my shoes benching! You re right but you misunderstand my point. An exercise s functionality is dependent upon how often real world scenarios come up that allow someone to apply their strength. Real world positions and objects limit functionality. Most real world activities involve being on your feet and applying force to things that don't have nice handles. How often is anyone in a real world scenario that has them with their back on the ground or against an immovable object so they can put that 350lbs bench to use? How about essentially never. It's not even good if someone has you mounted in a fight... This isn't to say that bench doesn't build chest and triceps muscle and strength but it's probably less functional than doing push-ups... Which is less functional than kettlebells deadlifts squats grip training etc You're confusing what functional means. Just because you train on a barbell while on a bench doesn't mean that you're all of the sudden weak in any other position. Just because you may be doing something "in the real world" that requires you to manipulate an object without "handles" doesn't mean you just lost all your strength. Less functional than pushups? Why? Because you're moving more weight? That's silly. Stronger = more functional. |
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Always ask what a persons Big 3 is. If they know that then they're probably not full of shit. The 1000lb total of a fair mark for every man.
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Your shoulders are certainly meant to rotate in that direction or else they wouldn't go in that direction in the first place. Any muscle or joint or range of motion not used leads to atrophy of that muscle / joint / range of motion and resulting weakness/failure whenever having to peform that motion. That's also why I said it's a good indication of overall strength because if you've got that, then you've probably got it all. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Power clean to overhead press is a better gauge of overall strength. Overhead press is garbage. Your shoulders are not meant to rotate in that direction and how often do you lift something over your head in real life? Bench, squat, and deadlift are the big 3 for a reason. Your shoulders are certainly meant to rotate in that direction or else they wouldn't go in that direction in the first place. Any muscle or joint or range of motion not used leads to atrophy of that muscle / joint / range of motion and resulting weakness/failure whenever having to peform that motion. That's also why I said it's a good indication of overall strength because if you've got that, then you've probably got it all. You don't have to overhead press tons of weight to be strong, or have strong shoulders. It's an unnatural movement that is seldom replicated in the real world. Seen far more people hurt themselves doing it wrong than probably any other lift except deads. I could go hit 405 flat bench for a double right now, and haven't overhead pressed in prob a month. Just the opinion of a few trainers I have worked with. My experience agrees with them. |
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I haven't worked out for about 3 or 4 years now, but for my whole life, I when worked out on bench press, I used more than I weighed. I lifter more than I weighed 10 times X 3. I couldn't do it now that am old and fat, but I remember hearing in HS that a strong man should be able to bench press his weight. I alway thought you should be able to military press your weight to be considered strong. I could do that then. Of course I can't now, but I don;t make claims to be a badass either.
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Power clean to overhead press is a better gauge of overall strength. Overhead press is garbage. Your shoulders are not meant to rotate in that direction and how often do you lift something over your head in real life? Bench, squat, and deadlift are the big 3 for a reason. Several times moving couches down stairs in fucked up apartment complexes. The SIL moves a lot....... |
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Quoted: hard to say. in general, a stronger guy is going to be able to bench press more than a weaker guy. that said, someone who concentrates on a number isn't going to be as well-developed overall as someone who develops strength from working instead of working out. anyone who has worked a job site knows what i'm talking about--carrying sheetrock or simply holding things in place develops a completely different kind of strength. so i guess what i'm saying is that having a good bench isn't a bad thing, but it doesn't tell you how a guy is going to be able to perform on the 3rd 12 hour day of labor. i do agree with the earlier poster who said that deadlift and squats are a pretty fair barometer of working strength, though. View Quote |
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Yeah that was big in the 80's for most area high schools for sure. We had shirts with what "club" you were. 1000, 1100, ect View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Always ask what a persons Big 3 is. If they know that then they're probably not full of shit. The 1000lb total of a fair mark for every man. Yeah that was big in the 80's for most area high schools for sure. We had shirts with what "club" you were. 1000, 1100, ect I never could make it to 1000 sq was never good enough. |
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+1 on the real work. Also true with bodyweight exercises. Gymnasts are freaky strong and its all functional. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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hard to say. in general, a stronger guy is going to be able to bench press more than a weaker guy. that said, someone who concentrates on a number isn't going to be as well-developed overall as someone who develops strength from working instead of working out. anyone who has worked a job site knows what i'm talking about--carrying sheetrock or simply holding things in place develops a completely different kind of strength. so i guess what i'm saying is that having a good bench isn't a bad thing, but it doesn't tell you how a guy is going to be able to perform on the 3rd 12 hour day of labor. i do agree with the earlier poster who said that deadlift and squats are a pretty fair barometer of working strength, though. They are indeed. Heres an interesting vid I watched the other day. Strength comes in different forms. The weighted dips on rings look absolutely brutal. http://www.doyoueven.com/2015/08/video-powerlifting-vs-calisthenics-in-this-crazy-street-workout-video/ |
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Power clean to overhead press is a better gauge of overall strength. Overhead press is garbage. Your shoulders are not meant to rotate in that direction and how often do you lift something over your head in real life? Bench, squat, and deadlift are the big 3 for a reason. Several times moving couches down stairs in fucked up apartment complexes. The SIL moves a lot....... This, or shoving one up over a second story balcony railing out of the back of a positioned pick-up truck with two drunk chicks pulling on it from the top.. |
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You don't have to overhead press tons of weight to be strong, or have strong shoulders. It's an unnatural movement that is seldom replicated in the real world. Seen far more people hurt themselves doing it wrong than probably any other lift except deads. I could go hit 405 flat bench for a double right now, and haven't overhead pressed in prob a month. Just the opinion of a few trainers I have worked with. My experience agrees with them. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Power clean to overhead press is a better gauge of overall strength. Overhead press is garbage. Your shoulders are not meant to rotate in that direction and how often do you lift something over your head in real life? Bench, squat, and deadlift are the big 3 for a reason. Your shoulders are certainly meant to rotate in that direction or else they wouldn't go in that direction in the first place. Any muscle or joint or range of motion not used leads to atrophy of that muscle / joint / range of motion and resulting weakness/failure whenever having to peform that motion. That's also why I said it's a good indication of overall strength because if you've got that, then you've probably got it all. You don't have to overhead press tons of weight to be strong, or have strong shoulders. It's an unnatural movement that is seldom replicated in the real world. Seen far more people hurt themselves doing it wrong than probably any other lift except deads. I could go hit 405 flat bench for a double right now, and haven't overhead pressed in prob a month. Just the opinion of a few trainers I have worked with. My experience agrees with them. It's not unnatural if you do it right. |
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I've observed that a lot of weight lifting develops exactly the muscles required for that movement and little else
same with every kind of exercise like for example, if you ride a bike all the time, and then you play tennis, you find your muscles aren't really adapted to tennis too great I rarely max out at the gym because I think that lifting exercise doesn't develop your body evenly maybe your lower quads don't develop as much as the rest of your leg, so when you max out you put a severe strain on your knee etc lots of guys push themselves way too much and then they end up with blown out joints |
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Power clean to overhead press is a better gauge of overall strength. Overhead press is garbage. Your shoulders are not meant to rotate in that direction and how often do you lift something over your head in real life? Bench, squat, and deadlift are the big 3 for a reason. Your shoulders are certainly meant to rotate in that direction or else they wouldn't go in that direction in the first place. Any muscle or joint or range of motion not used leads to atrophy of that muscle / joint / range of motion and resulting weakness/failure whenever having to peform that motion. That's also why I said it's a good indication of overall strength because if you've got that, then you've probably got it all. You don't have to overhead press tons of weight to be strong, or have strong shoulders. It's an unnatural movement that is seldom replicated in the real world. Seen far more people hurt themselves doing it wrong than probably any other lift except deads. I could go hit 405 flat bench for a double right now, and haven't overhead pressed in prob a month. Just the opinion of a few trainers I have worked with. My experience agrees with them. It's not unnatural if you do it right. I use dumbbells whenever I can I hate the way a bar will make you rotate your arms |
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I've observed that a lot of weight lifting develops exactly the muscles required for that movement and little else same with every kind of exercise like for example, if you ride a bike all the time, and then you play tennis, you find your muscles aren't really adapted to tennis too great I rarely max out at the gym because I think that lifting exercise doesn't develop your body evenly maybe your lower quads don't develop as much as the rest of your leg, so when you max out you put a severe strain on your knee etc lots of guys push themselves way too much and then they end up with blown out joints View Quote If you have a shitty program your body won't develop evenly. Lower quads? What are lower quads? |
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