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Posted: 9/10/2015 1:44:09 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/10/2015 1:45:52 PM EDT
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Because lifting things overhead is an important movement. Remember, I'm by no means saying you shouldn't bench. I'm simply disagreeing that the "shoulders aren't meant to move that way" I use a straight bar, again, because am an olympic lifter and so dumbells are useless to me. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Not disagreeing with you at all. I simply question the utility of the overhead press, but am open to having my mind changed. Do you prefer a straight bar or dumbells? Because lifting things overhead is an important movement. Remember, I'm by no means saying you shouldn't bench. I'm simply disagreeing that the "shoulders aren't meant to move that way" I use a straight bar, again, because am an olympic lifter and so dumbells are useless to me. Gotcha. Wish I would have had someone around to teach me Olympic style powerlifting. That is the pinnacle of functional strength IMO. |
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Posted: 9/10/2015 1:46:52 PM EDT
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Gotcha. Wish I would have had someone around to teach me Olympic style powerlifting. That is the pinnacle of functional strength IMO. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Not disagreeing with you at all. I simply question the utility of the overhead press, but am open to having my mind changed. Do you prefer a straight bar or dumbells? Because lifting things overhead is an important movement. Remember, I'm by no means saying you shouldn't bench. I'm simply disagreeing that the "shoulders aren't meant to move that way" I use a straight bar, again, because am an olympic lifter and so dumbells are useless to me. Gotcha. Wish I would have had someone around to teach me Olympic style powerlifting. That is the pinnacle of functional strength IMO. Olympic lifting is distinct from powerlifting, it's not a type of power lifting. Just an FYI. |
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Posted: 9/10/2015 1:47:57 PM EDT
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Not disagreeing with you at all. I simply question the utility of the overhead press, but am open to having my mind changed. Do you prefer a straight bar or dumbells? Because lifting things overhead is an important movement. Remember, I'm by no means saying you shouldn't bench. I'm simply disagreeing that the "shoulders aren't meant to move that way" I use a straight bar, again, because am an olympic lifter and so dumbells are useless to me. Gotcha. Wish I would have had someone around to teach me Olympic style powerlifting. That is the pinnacle of functional strength IMO. Olympic lifting is distinct from powerlifting, it's not a type of power lifting. Just an FYI. Yeah, it's sorta like powerlifting, but more like gymnastics. A genre of crossfit if you will
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Posted: 9/10/2015 1:54:55 PM EDT
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Lol - seated overhead press with strict form. No. I'm not strong and I do both bench and standing overhead press, but I lift things over my head from a standing position far more often than I lay on my back and press something heavy off my chest. Paddleboard, bicycle, or kayak onto a roof rack, heavy boxes of stuff onto the top shelf of a closet, pushing a Christmas tree up the narrow folding steps to my overhead garage storage. Bench recruits more "muscle groups" than overhead press? Which groups does bench recruit that aren't used in overhead press. Recruit more muscle fibers - sure, obviously because you're moving more weight. More groups?  What do you mean by groups?Quote HistoryQuoted:
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A lot more than i lift heavy weights straight up over my head.. Specifically what? Last week I pressed the front diffferential back up into place on a 2002 GMC 2500. Your simply being obtuse though. Flat bench is a far more useful exercise than overhead press simply due to the fact that the movement recruits significantly more muscle groups. When was the last time you sat in an upright position and pressed weight straight up over your head with strict form? Lol - seated overhead press with strict form. No. I'm not strong and I do both bench and standing overhead press, but I lift things over my head from a standing position far more often than I lay on my back and press something heavy off my chest. Paddleboard, bicycle, or kayak onto a roof rack, heavy boxes of stuff onto the top shelf of a closet, pushing a Christmas tree up the narrow folding steps to my overhead garage storage. Bench recruits more "muscle groups" than overhead press? Which groups does bench recruit that aren't used in overhead press. Recruit more muscle fibers - sure, obviously because you're moving more weight. More groups? What do you mean by groups?Pectorals in particular. I have seen plenty of people do shoulder presses seated as well as standing. Despite my disdain for them I have no trouble whatsoever lifting things over my head. Obviously there are no exercised that exactly replicate what we do on a daily basis. Heavy compound movements such as bench, squat, and deadlift do a pretty damn good job of building overall functional strength. Like I said earlier, they are known as the big 3 for a reason. If someone finds value performing overheads, by all means do them. I reduced them significantly for 2 reasons. They are hard on my right shoulder, and I have a hard time fitting them into my routine. I may try and incorporate them more often in the future. |
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Posted: 9/10/2015 1:56:26 PM EDT
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I was at a 355lbs bench last year when I shredded my rotator cuff.
After 6 month of basic rehabbing and light weight, I am back up to 340. Problem is I ant work out with heavy weight anymore, it kills my shoulder. The highest I rep now is 225 for sets of 12-15, and even that starts to grind away on me. |
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Posted: 9/10/2015 1:58:06 PM EDT
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I was at a 355lbs bench last year when I shredded my rotator cuff. After 6 month of basic rehabbing and light weight, I am back up to 340. Problem is I ant work out with heavy weight anymore, it kills my shoulder. The highest I rep now is 225 for sets of 12-15, and even that starts to grind away on me. Rotator cuff injuries suck, and seem to nag for a long time. |
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Posted: 9/10/2015 2:03:44 PM EDT
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Yeah, it's sorta like powerlifting, but more like gymnastics. A genre of crossfit if you will
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Posted: 9/10/2015 2:03:45 PM EDT
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...So all those years on the deadlift platform didn't improve grip strength? Huh. Was this "competition" in a buddy's basement? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You're confusing what functional means. Just because you train on a barbell while on a bench doesn't mean that you're all of the sudden weak in any other position. Just because you may be doing something "in the real world" that requires you to manipulate an object without "handles" doesn't mean you just lost all your strength. Less functional than pushups? Why? Because you're moving more weight? That's silly. Stronger = more functional. Bench is less functional than push-ups because most people do maybe 3-10 rep sets of bench while people do 50-100 sets of push-ups. most things in real life require more than 10 seconds of endurance. At least push-ups help build some level of muscular endurance. Stronger is only more functional if you can actually use the strength. How many situations exist where your back is against an immovable object that is nice and flat so you can push as hard as you can with your hands? I've been at powerlifting competitions where I wouldn't want to ask 1/2 of the people to help me move furniture because it was obvious they would be winded as fuck after moving one couch. Sure they can lift a lot but have itty bitty gas tanks and I should also add the one time I tested maybe 20-30 people's grip strength at a power lifting comp only 2 had at least decent grip strength (1 of the 2 had a world class grip). ...So all those years on the deadlift platform didn't improve grip strength? Huh. Was this "competition" in a buddy's basement? How many of those guys relied on wraps/gloves/hooks instead of just using chalk with bare hands? |
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Posted: 9/10/2015 2:09:27 PM EDT
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I helped a co-worker move some furniture to her new apartment years ago. I'm a fairly thin guy, I don't work out at gyms but I do some outdoor work that city guys never do. She brought along a guy who spent a lot of time in the gym. He was constantly having to take breaks, he'd stop and have problems carrying things on steps. It clearly wasn't doing him any real world good.
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Posted: 9/10/2015 2:09:39 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/10/2015 2:13:49 PM EDT
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You're confusing what functional means. Just because you train on a barbell while on a bench doesn't mean that you're all of the sudden weak in any other position. Just because you may be doing something "in the real world" that requires you to manipulate an object without "handles" doesn't mean you just lost all your strength. Less functional than pushups? Why? Because you're moving more weight? That's silly. Stronger = more functional. Bench is less functional than push-ups because most people do maybe 3-10 rep sets of bench while people do 50-100 sets of push-ups. most things in real life require more than 10 seconds of endurance. At least push-ups help build some level of muscular endurance. Stronger is only more functional if you can actually use the strength. How many situations exist where your back is against an immovable object that is nice and flat so you can push as hard as you can with your hands? I've been at powerlifting competitions where I wouldn't want to ask 1/2 of the people to help me move furniture because it was obvious they would be winded as fuck after moving one couch. Sure they can lift a lot but have itty bitty gas tanks and I should also add the one time I tested maybe 20-30 people's grip strength at a power lifting comp only 2 had at least decent grip strength (1 of the 2 had a world class grip). ...So all those years on the deadlift platform didn't improve grip strength? Huh. Was this "competition" in a buddy's basement? How many of those guys relied on wraps/gloves/hooks instead of just using chalk with bare hands? Lol, none of those things are allowed in powerlifting competitions. |
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Posted: 9/10/2015 2:14:58 PM EDT
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I helped a co-worker move some furniture to her new apartment years ago. I'm a fairly thin guy, I don't work out at gyms but I do some outdoor work that city guys never do. She brought along a guy who spent a lot of time in the gym. He was constantly having to take breaks, he'd stop and have problems carrying things on steps. It clearly wasn't doing him any real world good. My girlfriend calls me "farm boy strong", because I look thin but I can make things happen. Then his programming sucks and it has nothing to do with "farm boy strong" vs. "gym strong"....or his programming is geared for pure strength with no endurance due to HIS goals. |
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Posted: 9/10/2015 2:22:01 PM EDT
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My Brother in Law is a Marine. While in transition he was over at my Dad's house. My Dad needed to return the refrigerator to its place after doing some repairs. My Dad calls everyone over to help maneuver it. My BIL says "I got it", picks it up with a bear hug, takes a few steps with it and sets its down in place. Then he says matter of factly; "I did not want to scratch the floor". lol. That is some massive practical strength but he looks like any other in shape young guy. |
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Posted: 9/10/2015 2:26:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:Pectorals in particular. I have seen plenty of people do shoulder presses seated as well as standing. Despite my disdain for them I have no trouble whatsoever lifting things over my head. Obviously there are no exercised that exactly replicate what we do on a daily basis. Heavy compound movements such as bench, squat, and deadlift do a pretty damn good job of building overall functional strength. Like I said earlier, they are known as the big 3 for a reason. If someone finds value performing overheads, by all means do them. I reduced them significantly for 2 reasons. They are hard on my right shoulder, and I have a hard time fitting them into my routine. I may try and incorporate them more often in the future. Google image search for muscles recruited in overhead press shows: 
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Posted: 9/10/2015 2:30:25 PM EDT
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Bench is less functional than push-ups because most people do maybe 3-10 rep sets of bench while people do 50-100 sets of push-ups. most things in real life require more than 10 seconds of endurance. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Bench is less functional than push-ups because most people do maybe 3-10 rep sets of bench while people do 50-100 sets of push-ups. most things in real life require more than 10 seconds of endurance. More than 10 seconds of endurance is not strength, it's either anaerobic capacity or endurance, depending on duration. Quoted:
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Posted: 9/10/2015 2:32:32 PM EDT
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I've observed that a lot of weight lifting develops exactly the muscles required for that movement and little else same with every kind of exercise like for example, if you ride a bike all the time, and then you play tennis, you find your muscles aren't really adapted to tennis too great I rarely max out at the gym because I think that lifting exercise doesn't develop your body evenly maybe your lower quads don't develop as much as the rest of your leg, so when you max out you put a severe strain on your knee etc lots of guys push themselves way too much and then they end up with blown out joints That's a confusing explanation for "I'm a weak pussy scared of leaving my comfort zone". yeah--he's not wrong that lifts are muscle group specific, but the whole "i lift but don't max because my form might be wrong" thing makes no sense at all. No, he's wrong. Shitty programs develop imbalances. Compound lifts are called "compound" for a reason. If I'm good at DL, I'm good at lifting shit from the floor. If I'm good at OHP, I'm good at pushing shit over my head. If I'm good at bench, I'm good at pushing shit. Exactly so the disks in your spine bulk up right along with your legs? how about bone density? thanks for the help guys GD is the place for lerning nolige |
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Posted: 9/10/2015 2:33:52 PM EDT
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You're confusing what functional means. Just because you train on a barbell while on a bench doesn't mean that you're all of the sudden weak in any other position. Just because you may be doing something "in the real world" that requires you to manipulate an object without "handles" doesn't mean you just lost all your strength. Less functional than pushups? Why? Because you're moving more weight? That's silly. Stronger = more functional. Bench is less functional than push-ups because most people do maybe 3-10 rep sets of bench while people do 50-100 sets of push-ups. most things in real life require more than 10 seconds of endurance. At least push-ups help build some level of muscular endurance. Stronger is only more functional if you can actually use the strength. How many situations exist where your back is against an immovable object that is nice and flat so you can push as hard as you can with your hands? I've been at powerlifting competitions where I wouldn't want to ask 1/2 of the people to help me move furniture because it was obvious they would be winded as fuck after moving one couch. Sure they can lift a lot but have itty bitty gas tanks and I should also add the one time I tested maybe 20-30 people's grip strength at a power lifting comp only 2 had at least decent grip strength (1 of the 2 had a world class grip). ...So all those years on the deadlift platform didn't improve grip strength? Huh. Was this "competition" in a buddy's basement? How many of those guys relied on wraps/gloves/hooks instead of just using chalk with bare hands? Lol, none of those things are allowed in powerlifting competitions. Case in point, how the hell could they not have adequate grip strength if they were power lifters? Makes me wonder if it really was in some guy's basement. |
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Posted: 9/10/2015 2:34:31 PM EDT
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You can push a lot of weight away from your chest. Probably very useful if you are pinned down by someone or something, but not all that useful for much else. hasn't kept me from keeping side control or the mount. |
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Posted: 9/10/2015 2:34:35 PM EDT
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That's a confusing explanation for "I'm a weak pussy scared of leaving my comfort zone". Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I've observed that a lot of weight lifting develops exactly the muscles required for that movement and little else same with every kind of exercise like for example, if you ride a bike all the time, and then you play tennis, you find your muscles aren't really adapted to tennis too great I rarely max out at the gym because I think that lifting exercise doesn't develop your body evenly maybe your lower quads don't develop as much as the rest of your leg, so when you max out you put a severe strain on your knee etc lots of guys push themselves way too much and then they end up with blown out joints That's a confusing explanation for "I'm a weak pussy scared of leaving my comfort zone". you keep right on making your decisions based on neurotic hysteria ford has to sell those bro dozers to somebody |
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Posted: 9/10/2015 2:35:45 PM EDT
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In replying to the OP's original question of practical application of a one rep max, there is none other then a powerlifting competition.
There is no sport other than powerlifting that involves only a single lift of strength and not muscle endurance. There is no daily application of a one rep max unless there happens to be a one in a million chance that you need to lift something that just happens to be your 100% max. Furniture movers have to lift and carry nonstop so even that does not carry over. Somewhat related is An interesting story I remember. Tom Platz a bodybuilder went against the current powerlifting champion at the time in a squat competition. Tom Platz put up a max squat somewhere in the mid 700s and the power lifter was in the mid 800s. When this story is told by powerlifters they like to stop right there, however there's something much more interesting that happened next. The weight was lowered to 505 pounds and both competitors had to do as many repetitions as possible. The "stronger" powerlifter completed 11 reps, and was then completely destroyed by Tom Platz with 23 reps, more than double what the power lifter was able to do. |
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Posted: 9/10/2015 2:38:13 PM EDT
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so the disks in your spine bulk up right along with your legs? how about bone density? thanks for the help guys GD is the place for lerning nolige Why are you asking about disks? I have no idea what you're getting at. Yes, resistance training increases bone density, as well as ligament and tendon strength. A quick google with corroborate this. ETA- and increased bone density and stronger connective tissue will serve to protect all your joints better. |
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Posted: 9/10/2015 2:38:44 PM EDT
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Case in point, how the hell could they not have adequate grip strength if they were power lifters? Makes me wonder if it really was in some guy's basement. Yep |
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Posted: 9/10/2015 2:41:51 PM EDT
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Google image search for muscles recruited in overhead press shows: http://gymowl.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/Barbell-Military-Press-300x336.jpg https://img.breakingmuscle.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/full_width/images/bydate/20131010/shutterstock147941741.jpg Not arguing that the pectorals are a prime mover in the movement, but that's not what you said. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted:Pectorals in particular. I have seen plenty of people do shoulder presses seated as well as standing. Despite my disdain for them I have no trouble whatsoever lifting things over my head. Obviously there are no exercised that exactly replicate what we do on a daily basis. Heavy compound movements such as bench, squat, and deadlift do a pretty damn good job of building overall functional strength. Like I said earlier, they are known as the big 3 for a reason. If someone finds value performing overheads, by all means do them. I reduced them significantly for 2 reasons. They are hard on my right shoulder, and I have a hard time fitting them into my routine. I may try and incorporate them more often in the future. Google image search for muscles recruited in overhead press shows: http://gymowl.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/Barbell-Military-Press-300x336.jpg https://img.breakingmuscle.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/full_width/images/bydate/20131010/shutterstock147941741.jpg Not arguing that the pectorals are a prime mover in the movement, but that's not what you said. Ok you are right. I was wrong to say they are worthless just because I don't care for them. I may try and incorporate them into my routine again and see how I respond. |
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Posted: 9/10/2015 2:42:42 PM EDT
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Ok you are right. I was wrong to say they are worthless just because I don't care for them. I may try and incorporate them into my routine again and see how I respond. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Quoted:Pectorals in particular. I have seen plenty of people do shoulder presses seated as well as standing. Despite my disdain for them I have no trouble whatsoever lifting things over my head. Obviously there are no exercised that exactly replicate what we do on a daily basis. Heavy compound movements such as bench, squat, and deadlift do a pretty damn good job of building overall functional strength. Like I said earlier, they are known as the big 3 for a reason. If someone finds value performing overheads, by all means do them. I reduced them significantly for 2 reasons. They are hard on my right shoulder, and I have a hard time fitting them into my routine. I may try and incorporate them more often in the future. Google image search for muscles recruited in overhead press shows: http://gymowl.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/Barbell-Military-Press-300x336.jpg https://img.breakingmuscle.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/full_width/images/bydate/20131010/shutterstock147941741.jpg Not arguing that the pectorals are a prime mover in the movement, but that's not what you said. Ok you are right. I was wrong to say they are worthless just because I don't care for them. I may try and incorporate them into my routine again and see how I respond. If you have an issue with the right shoulder, OHP may not be for you. YMMV of course. |
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Posted: 9/10/2015 2:44:03 PM EDT
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In replying to the OP's original question of practical application of a one rep max, there is none other then a powerlifting competition. There is no sport other than powerlifting that involves only a single lift of strength and not muscle endurance. There is no daily application of a one rep max unless there happens to be a one in a million chance that you need to lift something that just happens to be your 100% max. Furniture movers have to lift and carry nonstop so even that does not carry over. Somewhat related is An interesting story I remember. Tom Platz a bodybuilder went against the current powerlifting champion at the time in a squat competition. Tom Platz put up a max squat somewhere in the mid 700s and the power lifter was in the mid 800s. When this story is told by powerlifters they like to stop right there, however there's something much more interesting that happened next. The weight was lowered to 505 pounds and both competitors had to do as many repetitions as possible. The "stronger" powerlifter completed 11 reps, and was then completely destroyed by Tom Platz with 23 reps, more than double what the power lifter was able to do. That's really not a huge suprise. Bodybuilders train in higher reps to induce hypertrophy, while powerlifters generally train with heavier weights at lower reps, as their goal is a big one rep max. It certainly puts to rest the ridiculous theory that bodybuilders are all show though. |
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Posted: 9/10/2015 2:44:46 PM EDT
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I think the deadlift is the single best gauge of overall strength. Followed by the squat and then the bench press. Pull-ups and overhead press round out the movements that I would be concerned with. If I need to move heavy shit, I go to Home Depot and hire some amigos. |
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Posted: 9/10/2015 2:46:42 PM EDT
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Quoted:Pectorals in particular. I have seen plenty of people do shoulder presses seated as well as standing. Despite my disdain for them I have no trouble whatsoever lifting things over my head. Obviously there are no exercised that exactly replicate what we do on a daily basis. Heavy compound movements such as bench, squat, and deadlift do a pretty damn good job of building overall functional strength. Like I said earlier, they are known as the big 3 for a reason. If someone finds value performing overheads, by all means do them. I reduced them significantly for 2 reasons. They are hard on my right shoulder, and I have a hard time fitting them into my routine. I may try and incorporate them more often in the future. Google image search for muscles recruited in overhead press shows: http://gymowl.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/Barbell-Military-Press-300x336.jpg https://img.breakingmuscle.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/full_width/images/bydate/20131010/shutterstock147941741.jpg Not arguing that the pectorals are a prime mover in the movement, but that's not what you said. Ok you are right. I was wrong to say they are worthless just because I don't care for them. I may try and incorporate them into my routine again and see how I respond. If you have an issue with the right shoulder, OHP may not be for you. YMMV of course. I've suffered from rotator cuff inflammation and impingement since my pitching days in baseball years ago. It seems to come and go, but excessive overhead work is a surefire way to bring it on. Maybe my form is just shit. Using dumbells seems to keep it to a minimum though. |
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Posted: 9/10/2015 2:49:08 PM EDT
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so the disks in your spine bulk up right along with your legs? how about bone density? thanks for the help guys GD is the place for lerning nolige Uh, yes? Not sure what you're getting at. |
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Posted: 9/10/2015 2:53:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:Ok you are right. I was wrong to say they are worthless just because I don't care for them. I may try and incorporate them into my routine again and see how I respond. Hey man, I'm just a middle age guy with primarily an endurance (cycling/triathlon/running) background who never did much lifting after high school, except for when I was deployed. I only lift 2x/week for 45 minutes or so, but I consider those two days the cornerstone of my fitness program. Go-to guys for strength advice are Rolando (even though he's a dirty inky crossfitter) and Darktide. There are others, but those two stand out in my mind. |
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Posted: 9/10/2015 2:59:52 PM EDT
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Olympic lifting is distinct from powerlifting, it's not a type of power lifting. Just an FYI. Except that power is important in Olympic lifting and, ironically, matters very little in powerlifting. |
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Posted: 9/10/2015 3:01:46 PM EDT
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I was never a great bench guy, but I won't make any excuses about it, I just wasn't very good at it. I wasn't all that super at incline either. My squat was decent, my deadlift was ok (even though deads always made me feel like I needed to puke).
Even so, I definitely suck more now since I haven't seen the inside of the gym in a while. Again, no excuse other than I'm a big pussy. I've seen fat bodies who were really strong. I've seen one skinny lanky guy who could bench a shitload of weight. I've seen a lot of folks who talked big but couldn't lift shit. If someone tells me they bench some unrealistic sounding amount, it's always fun to say "ok, let's see then". Mostly it's good for a laugh. Occasionally, you find someone who is surprisingly strong. |
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Posted: 9/10/2015 3:03:37 PM EDT
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I've observed that a lot of weight lifting develops exactly the muscles required for that movement and little else same with every kind of exercise like for example, if you ride a bike all the time, and then you play tennis, you find your muscles aren't really adapted to tennis too great I rarely max out at the gym because I think that lifting exercise doesn't develop your body evenly maybe your lower quads don't develop as much as the rest of your leg, so when you max out you put a severe strain on your knee etc lots of guys push themselves way too much and then they end up with blown out joints That's a confusing explanation for "I'm a weak pussy scared of leaving my comfort zone". you keep right on making your decisions based on neurotic hysteria ford has to sell those bro dozers to somebody Not cool. 
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Posted: 9/10/2015 3:05:14 PM EDT
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Bench absolutely has practical implications. That said, I'm much more impressed by squat/deadlift as an indicator of overall strength. This. But it's also very entertaining to see some of the women at my gym (who are in fact seriously strong) bench more than some of the men. |
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Posted: 9/10/2015 3:05:44 PM EDT
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You can push a lot of weight away from your chest. Probably very useful if you are pinned down by someone or something, but not all that useful for much else. hasn't kept me from keeping side control or the mount. Yeah, but I find it very hard to tap out really strong guys. I often get them in side control or mount, but their arm strength makes attacks on their arms difficult, and also allows them to better defend against chokes since they can risk their arms. |
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Posted: 9/10/2015 3:08:15 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/10/2015 3:10:18 PM EDT
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That's really not a huge suprise. Bodybuilders train in higher reps to induce hypertrophy, while powerlifters generally train with heavier weights at lower reps, as their goal is a big one rep max. It certainly puts to rest the ridiculous theory that bodybuilders are all show though. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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In replying to the OP's original question of practical application of a one rep max, there is none other then a powerlifting competition. There is no sport other than powerlifting that involves only a single lift of strength and not muscle endurance. There is no daily application of a one rep max unless there happens to be a one in a million chance that you need to lift something that just happens to be your 100% max. Furniture movers have to lift and carry nonstop so even that does not carry over. Somewhat related is An interesting story I remember. Tom Platz a bodybuilder went against the current powerlifting champion at the time in a squat competition. Tom Platz put up a max squat somewhere in the mid 700s and the power lifter was in the mid 800s. When this story is told by powerlifters they like to stop right there, however there's something much more interesting that happened next. The weight was lowered to 505 pounds and both competitors had to do as many repetitions as possible. The "stronger" powerlifter completed 11 reps, and was then completely destroyed by Tom Platz with 23 reps, more than double what the power lifter was able to do. That's really not a huge suprise. Bodybuilders train in higher reps to induce hypertrophy, while powerlifters generally train with heavier weights at lower reps, as their goal is a big one rep max. It certainly puts to rest the ridiculous theory that bodybuilders are all show though. Exactly, they train at higher reps for size. No surprise at all that the person who trains at one particular thing is better at it. That's like saying "a marathoner and a sprinter raced a marathon and the marathoner won...but guess what! Then they ran 200m and the sprinter won! Holy shit, mind blown!"
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Posted: 9/10/2015 3:11:05 PM EDT
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Hey man, I'm just a middle age guy with primarily an endurance (cycling/triathlon/running) background who never did much lifting after high school, except for when I was deployed. I only lift 2x/week for 45 minutes or so, but I consider those two days the cornerstone of my fitness program. Go-to guys for strength advice are Rolando (even though he's a dirty inky crossfitter) and Darktide. There are others, but those two stand out in my mind. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted:Ok you are right. I was wrong to say they are worthless just because I don't care for them. I may try and incorporate them into my routine again and see how I respond. Hey man, I'm just a middle age guy with primarily an endurance (cycling/triathlon/running) background who never did much lifting after high school, except for when I was deployed. I only lift 2x/week for 45 minutes or so, but I consider those two days the cornerstone of my fitness program. Go-to guys for strength advice are Rolando (even though he's a dirty inky crossfitter) and Darktide. There are others, but those two stand out in my mind. I appreciate the vote of confidence, but I can hardly call myself a CFer anymore. The rest is pretty much true though
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Posted: 9/10/2015 3:18:02 PM EDT
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Yeah, but I find it very hard to tap out really strong guys. I often get them in side control or mount, but their arm strength makes attacks on their arms difficult, and also allows them to better defend against chokes since they can risk their arms. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 9/10/2015 3:19:49 PM EDT
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I've suffered from rotator cuff inflammation and impingement since my pitching days in baseball years ago. It seems to come and go, but excessive overhead work is a surefire way to bring it on. Maybe my form is just shit. Using dumbells seems to keep it to a minimum though. Yeah press may not be for you. I'm surprised you can bench without pain. Do you do a pretty narrow bench grip? |
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Posted: 9/10/2015 3:26:25 PM EDT
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i would say that bench press can directly translate to one hell of a punch, uses same muscles trick is to move them fast enough
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Posted: 9/10/2015 3:42:37 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/10/2015 3:44:55 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/10/2015 3:51:00 PM EDT
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so the disks in your spine bulk up right along with your legs? how about bone density? thanks for the help guys GD is the place for lerning nolige Why are you asking about disks? I have no idea what you're getting at. Yes, resistance training increases bone density, as well as ligament and tendon strength. A quick google with corroborate this. ETA- and increased bone density and stronger connective tissue will serve to protect all your joints better. Beat me to it. |
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Posted: 9/10/2015 3:56:28 PM EDT
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i would say that bench press can directly translate to one hell of a punch, uses same muscles trick is to move them fast enough I take it you've never done any boxing or other martial arts training right? |
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Posted: 9/10/2015 3:56:53 PM EDT
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Exactly, they train at higher reps for size. No surprise at all that the person who trains at one particular thing is better at it. That's like saying "a marathoner and a sprinter raced a marathon and the marathoner won...but guess what! Then they ran 200m and the sprinter won! Holy shit, mind blown!"
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In replying to the OP's original question of practical application of a one rep max, there is none other then a powerlifting competition. There is no sport other than powerlifting that involves only a single lift of strength and not muscle endurance. There is no daily application of a one rep max unless there happens to be a one in a million chance that you need to lift something that just happens to be your 100% max. Furniture movers have to lift and carry nonstop so even that does not carry over. Somewhat related is An interesting story I remember. Tom Platz a bodybuilder went against the current powerlifting champion at the time in a squat competition. Tom Platz put up a max squat somewhere in the mid 700s and the power lifter was in the mid 800s. When this story is told by powerlifters they like to stop right there, however there's something much more interesting that happened next. The weight was lowered to 505 pounds and both competitors had to do as many repetitions as possible. The "stronger" powerlifter completed 11 reps, and was then completely destroyed by Tom Platz with 23 reps, more than double what the power lifter was able to do. That's really not a huge suprise. Bodybuilders train in higher reps to induce hypertrophy, while powerlifters generally train with heavier weights at lower reps, as their goal is a big one rep max. It certainly puts to rest the ridiculous theory that bodybuilders are all show though. Exactly, they train at higher reps for size. No surprise at all that the person who trains at one particular thing is better at it. That's like saying "a marathoner and a sprinter raced a marathon and the marathoner won...but guess what! Then they ran 200m and the sprinter won! Holy shit, mind blown!"
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Posted: 9/10/2015 4:19:05 PM EDT
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i would say that bench press can directly translate to one hell of a punch, uses same muscles trick is to move them fast enough I take it you've never done any boxing or other martial arts training right? of course those aren't the only muscles used in striking but it's a good part of it. and not every punch is going to be a floor to fist smasher some of them are going to be off balance jabs where you can't get your hips in to it. It's silly to discount the muscles worked in a bench press when i t comes to throwing a punch |
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Posted: 9/10/2015 4:26:41 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/10/2015 4:28:40 PM EDT
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It sure surprises powerlifters who like to think that their one rep max makes them better than everyone at everything
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In replying to the OP's original question of practical application of a one rep max, there is none other then a powerlifting competition. There is no sport other than powerlifting that involves only a single lift of strength and not muscle endurance. There is no daily application of a one rep max unless there happens to be a one in a million chance that you need to lift something that just happens to be your 100% max. Furniture movers have to lift and carry nonstop so even that does not carry over. Somewhat related is An interesting story I remember. Tom Platz a bodybuilder went against the current powerlifting champion at the time in a squat competition. Tom Platz put up a max squat somewhere in the mid 700s and the power lifter was in the mid 800s. When this story is told by powerlifters they like to stop right there, however there's something much more interesting that happened next. The weight was lowered to 505 pounds and both competitors had to do as many repetitions as possible. The "stronger" powerlifter completed 11 reps, and was then completely destroyed by Tom Platz with 23 reps, more than double what the power lifter was able to do. That's really not a huge suprise. Bodybuilders train in higher reps to induce hypertrophy, while powerlifters generally train with heavier weights at lower reps, as their goal is a big one rep max. It certainly puts to rest the ridiculous theory that bodybuilders are all show though. Exactly, they train at higher reps for size. No surprise at all that the person who trains at one particular thing is better at it. That's like saying "a marathoner and a sprinter raced a marathon and the marathoner won...but guess what! Then they ran 200m and the sprinter won! Holy shit, mind blown!"
It sure surprises powerlifters who like to think that their one rep max makes them better than everyone at everything
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Posted: 9/10/2015 4:32:38 PM EDT
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A real measure of strength as used by the NFL is how many time one can do 225
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