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Posted: 10/30/2019 7:14:07 PM EST
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Whether intentional or not, you've earned a reputation here. No one takes you seriously. If I was one of the arfcops, I would be embarrassed you were taking my side. |
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Posted: 10/30/2019 7:14:48 PM EST
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No, I mean the ones who wouldn’t have damaged the house in the first place. Civil case homeowner vs the suspect for the damages. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Yes, actually. Reimburse the owner to make them whole.  Civil case homeowner vs the suspect for the damages. |
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Posted: 10/30/2019 7:15:56 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Directly involved in the cause of the incident. As in: the incident wasn't caused by their negligent actions. Just like the homeowner Try reading my post. Not involved means not in the accident 
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Posted: 10/30/2019 7:16:18 PM EST
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You guys don't read fine print.
Insurance most likely told him to fuck off. |
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Posted: 10/30/2019 7:16:47 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Driving and MRAP through the side of the house would not be on my list of ways to handle |
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Posted: 10/30/2019 7:21:31 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Whether intentional or not, Much of GD lives in a fantasy world and doesn't realize how the real world turns. |
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Posted: 10/30/2019 7:28:28 PM EST
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You guys don't read fine print. Insurance most likely told him to fuck off. Most of the posters live in moms basement and have no clue about ins policies. |
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Posted: 10/30/2019 7:29:21 PM EST
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Whether intentional or not, Much of GD lives in a fantasy world and doesn’t realize how the real world turns. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Whether intentional or not, you've earned a reputation here. No one takes you seriously. If I was one of the arfcops, I would be embarrassed you were taking my side. |
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Posted: 10/30/2019 7:30:24 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No doubt about it. Most of the posters live in moms basement and have no clue about ins policies. |
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Posted: 10/30/2019 7:37:52 PM EST
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Whether intentional or not, Much of GD lives in a fantasy world and doesn’t realize how the real world turns. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Whether intentional or not, you've earned a reputation here. No one takes you seriously. If I was one of the arfcops, I would be embarrassed you were taking my side. |
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Posted: 10/30/2019 7:38:26 PM EST
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The police totally demolished a house and its contents to catch a shoplifter. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It sucks that we have to deal with the costs from these shitbags. They should be forced to work in labor camps until full restitution is made to their victims. Should have had insurance. The police destroyed property to protect life. I am ok with that choice. We're not exactly talking about a 16 year old that lifted a candy bar. |
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Posted: 10/30/2019 7:39:36 PM EST
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Again, this may all may be an act for internet attention, but based on your posting history, you are the last person to talk about fantasy world vs real world. 
Come on now. |
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Posted: 10/30/2019 7:41:26 PM EST
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Lol We gonna start making the FD pay for every battery cable they cut at crash scenes too? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Because God knows you won't be.  We gonna start making the FD pay for every battery cable they cut at crash scenes too? and every door the force open and every window they break |
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Posted: 10/30/2019 7:41:29 PM EST
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You know I've always seen people talking about rogueboss threads, but I'd never actually seen one in real time until now.
All I can say is just....damn. 
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Posted: 10/30/2019 7:43:14 PM EST
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and every hole they cut in a roof at a fire and every door the force open and every window they break Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Because God knows you won't be. We gonna start making the FD pay for every battery cable they cut at crash scenes too? and every door the force open and every window they break |
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Posted: 10/30/2019 7:43:32 PM EST
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We don't make the laws.
We just enforce them. |
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Posted: 10/30/2019 7:46:56 PM EST
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Why not sue the criminal, or his family, who caused the problem? Perhaps filing a lawsuit under eminent domain wasn't the best option? |
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Posted: 10/30/2019 7:48:27 PM EST
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When I broke down a house door to force entry the city had it fixed. When I cut a hole in a roof for ventilation it was to reduce damage so the city didn't cover it, but we did cover the hole afterwards to reduce further damage. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Because God knows you won't be. We gonna start making the FD pay for every battery cable they cut at crash scenes too? and every door the force open and every window they break I've never seen a FD cover the holes in a roof...but houses are usually smoking holes in the ground by the time the FD gets done with them here so that's a thing. |
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Posted: 10/30/2019 7:50:34 PM EST
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We pay for damages for shit we break too. ;) I've never seen a FD cover the holes in a roof...but houses are usually smoking holes in the ground by the time the FD gets done with them here so that's a thing. |
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Posted: 10/30/2019 7:59:03 PM EST
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and every hole they cut in a roof at a fire and every door the force open and every window they break Now if the FD just went to some guy's house because a person broke in and started an oven fire and then trashed the place, you might have a point. |
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Posted: 10/30/2019 8:18:10 PM EST
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Coming to a town near you - driving a MRAP through the front door for all welfare checks.
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Posted: 10/30/2019 8:18:16 PM EST
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It appears you're the first person to mention using killdozers to take out cops in this thread. Mind the gap leaping to your next conclusion. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Yeah, I wasn't aware it was OK to post about using killdozers to take out cops.
This issue is one that liberals should be all over. Instead of sucking the cocks of criminals, calling them "justice involved" and such, push for victim funds. People are adversely affected by scumbag criminals every day, and the funds available to compensate them are nearly nonexistent. Mind the gap leaping to your next conclusion. Thread title: police-blew-up-an-innocent-mans-house-in-search-of-an-armed-shoplifter-too-bad-court-rules The OP: Quoted:
police-blew-up-an-innocent-mans-house What do you guys think? Too bad? He must not have had insurance//// Quoted:
Killdozer time. Maybe I jumped to a conclusion. Maybe the killdozer comment and meme referred to the bad guy. Maybe they were referring to the judge who made what some believe is an adverse decision. Or maybe, just maybe, I'm right - they were referring to the cops who damaged the house.
Applying Occam's razor, I believe it's clear the killdozer references were directed at the cops who damaged the house. I thought the whole killdozer thing ran its course and was prohibited. Maybe when it applies to some, it a-ok. And to be clear, this was not a simple shoplifting case. It involved an armed shoplifter who tried to run over a police officer, fled from police, broke into a residence, and stayed barricaded for 19 hours. His penalty was 100 years in prison, so not some slap and tickle caper. |
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Posted: 10/30/2019 8:25:19 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Am I? Thread title: police-blew-up-an-innocent-mans-house-in-search-of-an-armed-shoplifter-too-bad-court-rules The OP: The first post: Another post: Maybe I jumped to a conclusion. Maybe the killdozer comment and meme referred to the bad guy. Maybe they were referring to the judge who made what some believe is an adverse decision. Or maybe, just maybe, I'm right - they were referring to the cops who damaged the house. Applying Occam's razor, I believe it's clear the killdozer references were directed at the cops who damaged the house. I thought the whole killdozer thing ran its course and was prohibited. Maybe when it applies to some, it a-ok. And to be clear, this was not a simple shoplifting case. It involved an armed shoplifter who tried to run over a police officer, fled from police, broke into a residence, and stayed barricaded for 19 hours. His penalty was 100 years in prison, so not some slap and tickle caper. Can you fast forward to the part where the homeowner that had nothing to do with it got his house dozed with no compensation? |
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Posted: 10/30/2019 8:26:06 PM EST
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Can't be burdened with accountability or responsibility for their actions. Things need to change. |
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Posted: 10/30/2019 9:11:10 PM EST
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[/b] Can you fast forward to the part where the homeowner that had nothing to do with it got his house dozed with no compensation? 
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Posted: 10/30/2019 9:22:30 PM EST
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"While insurance did cover structural damage initially, his son did not have renter’s insurance and so insurance did not cover replacement of the home’s contents, and he says he is still in debt today from loans he took out."
So, someone could have broken it, trashed the place, and left, and they'd be in the same boat? So insurance paid for the damage to the dwelling, but didn't cover belongings owned by someone renting? Did I miss something? |
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Posted: 10/30/2019 9:23:46 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The guy stole a t-shirt and two belts. Such drastic measures were clearly necessary. And to be clear, this was not a simple shoplifting case. It involved an armed shoplifter who tried to run over a police officer, fled from police, broke into a residence, and stayed barricaded for 19 hours. His penalty was 100 years in prison, so not some slap and tickle caper. |
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Posted: 10/30/2019 9:26:59 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The guy stole a t-shirt and two belts. Such drastic measures were clearly necessary. |
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Posted: 10/30/2019 9:30:28 PM EST
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Are you trying to justify the killdozer comments against police? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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[/b] Can you fast forward to the part where the homeowner that had nothing to do with it got his house dozed with no compensation? |
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Posted: 10/30/2019 9:30:53 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Am I? Thread title: police-blew-up-an-innocent-mans-house-in-search-of-an-armed-shoplifter-too-bad-court-rules The OP: The first post: Another post: Maybe I jumped to a conclusion. Maybe the killdozer comment and meme referred to the bad guy. Maybe they were referring to the judge who made what some believe is an adverse decision. Or maybe, just maybe, I'm right - they were referring to the cops who damaged the house. Applying Occam's razor, I believe it's clear the killdozer references were directed at the cops who damaged the house. I thought the whole killdozer thing ran its course and was prohibited. Maybe when it applies to some, it a-ok. And to be clear, this was not a simple shoplifting case. It involved an armed shoplifter who tried to run over a police officer, fled from police, broke into a residence, and stayed barricaded for 19 hours. His penalty was 100 years in prison, so not some slap and tickle caper. The original officer had no idea he was armed yet after failing to Taze him for shoplifting about 20 bucks worth of stuff, he drew his firearm and pointed it at him. After a bit of foot chase from the light rail, the first PD notified GVPD that the suspect attempted to run over an officer and was possibly armed. If you read the affidavit, this was the first time any mention of a weapon occured. The negotiator had made contact with him and negotiated his surrender. This was done to the point of "rehearsing his exit". The last thing negotiated that need to happen before his surrender was talking to his sister whom PD did get from Boulder. At some point PD decided that negotiating via his cell phone was unacceptable as they "wanted more control of communications" (which had been working up to this point) shut his phone off and deployed a throw phone. He never answered that (maybe because he didn't know the threw one or maybe didn't know what it was who knows). He never spoke to his sister. The played recorded messages from her. 39 minutes later they began trashing the innocent guy's house. So a working negotiation was disgarded because someone wanted to use a toy and when that didn't work in 39 minutes they went zero dark thirty on the house. A bit excessive. He was going to apprehended as he should have been. Once he pulled forward with the car, that was a given. But, there was no reason to stop the working negotiation. Lastly none of this has anything to do with the fact that an innocent persons house was destroyed and the city and PD said oh well, here's maybe 6 months rent and FYI your house is condemned |
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Posted: 10/30/2019 9:31:58 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Are you trying to justify the killdozer comments against police? Of course you are. |
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Posted: 10/30/2019 9:34:33 PM EST
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wow
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Posted: 10/30/2019 9:37:00 PM EST
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"While insurance did cover structural damage initially, his son did not have renter’s insurance and so insurance did not cover replacement of the home’s contents, and he says he is still in debt today from loans he took out." So, someone could have broken it, trashed the place, and left, and they'd be in the same boat? So insurance paid for the damage to the dwelling, but didn't cover belongings owned by someone renting? Did I miss something? |
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Posted: 10/30/2019 9:38:05 PM EST
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Are you trying to hijack the thread with impertinent issues? Of course you are. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted: Are you trying to justify the killdozer comments against police? Of course you are. |
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Posted: 10/30/2019 9:39:27 PM EST
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"While insurance did cover structural damage initially, his son did not have renter's insurance and so insurance did not cover replacement of the home's contents, and he says he is still in debt today from loans he took out." So, someone could have broken it, trashed the place, and left, and they'd be in the same boat? So insurance paid for the damage to the dwelling, but didn't cover belongings owned by someone renting? Did I miss something? "His expenses to rebuild the house and replace all its contents cost him nearly $400,000, he said. While insurance did cover structural damage initially, his son did not have renter's insurance and so insurance did not cover replacement of the home's contents, and he says he is still in debt today from loans he took out." |
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Posted: 10/30/2019 9:40:38 PM EST
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Are you trying to get this thread locked because it portrays actual police behavior in a bad light? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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[/b] Can you fast forward to the part where the homeowner that had nothing to do with it got his house dozed with no compensation? |
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Posted: 10/30/2019 9:42:17 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Your attempt to get me to argue the way the arrest was handled won't work. My concern is the ease with which members think they can make killdozer comments against cops. |
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Posted: 10/30/2019 9:44:25 PM EST
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For a country founded on the citizens having the power......we sure don’t have the power.
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Posted: 10/30/2019 9:45:12 PM EST
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police-blew-up-an-innocent-mans-house What do you guys think? Too bad? He must not have had insurance//// |
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Posted: 10/30/2019 9:45:27 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Your attempt to get me to argue the way the arrest was handled won't work. My concern is the ease with which members think they can make killdozer comments against cops. The whole episode was due to issues he had with the zoning board and health department. The only cops involved were stopping him. So yeah, your killdozer feelz are impertinent and immature https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marvin_Heemeyer |
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Posted: 10/30/2019 9:49:47 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The article literally states numerous times that insurance took care of the structural damages and the city offered to front the deductible, but in true GD style even the OP either did not read the article he linked to or lacked the reading comprehension to understand it. Simple question do you think it would be ok if you were out of pocket 400k for something that didn't involve you at all? Paying that is the deductible in my book. |
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Posted: 10/30/2019 9:53:26 PM EST
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No the article said that once. The word insurance is used 5x all in the same paragraph. Simple question do you think it would be ok if you were out of pocket 400k for something that didn't involve you at all? The guy is out $400k because he improved the size of the home during rebuilding, hell he even enlarged the foundation. He has chosen to spend a lot of money to prove a point. Thats his choice, he may lose. I feel sorry for what happened, but not for him refusing to take the good will deductible gesture and choosing to fight his battle. His losses are his choice. |
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Posted: 10/30/2019 9:55:12 PM EST
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So you're saying it's fine for me to make killdozer comments about people who aren't cops? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 10/30/2019 9:55:50 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I refuse to rewatch that movie because the writers didn’t realize who the good guy was and made it so the bad guy won. |
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Posted: 10/30/2019 9:56:45 PM EST
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Well if you were not such a child you would know the whole "killdozer" episode had nothing to do with hating cops. The whole episode was due to issues he had with the zoning board and health department. The only cops involved were stopping him. So yeah, your killdozer feelz are impertinent and immature https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marvin_Heemeyer 
You're trying too hard to attack me. Very silly. |
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Posted: 10/30/2019 9:58:22 PM EST
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I refuse to rewatch that movie because the writers didn't realize who the good guy was and made it so the bad guy won. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The movie Law Abiding Citizen comes to mind.  |
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Posted: 10/30/2019 9:59:56 PM EST
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The bigger crime is the OP's use of a hyphen... |
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Posted: 10/30/2019 10:00:39 PM EST
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Quote HistoryQuoted: No, but feel free to twist my comments any way you see fit. Quote HistoryQuoted: No, but feel free to twist my comments any way you see fit. Quoted: Are you trying to justify the killdozer comments against police? |
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Posted: 10/30/2019 10:01:03 PM EST
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For a country founded on the citizens having the power......we sure don’t have the power. |
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Posted: 10/30/2019 10:01:13 PM EST
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Well, most importantly he was not at all involved but you did miss something very important. The entire beginning of that paragraph. "His expenses to rebuild the house and replace all its contents cost him nearly $400,000, he said. While insurance did cover structural damage initially, his son did not have renter's insurance and so insurance did not cover replacement of the home's contents, and he says he is still in debt today from loans he took out." I took that to mean that was the cost of damages, and all losses, total. The next part states Insurance covered structure damage (amount unspecified), but not loss of renter's contents (amount unspecified), which seems understandable, as renter did not buy applicable insurance. Perhaps I misunderstood the first part, it didn't clarify what amounts were paid. Were his $400K expenses before or after structural comp? If $400K were his actual uncomped expenses, yeah, that'll ruin a guy. Sure, any uncompensated loss sucks, and I'm sure it can be argued restraint could have been used. But as written, it sounds like someone refusing to buy fire insurance then suing the FD for damage to their home from a neighbor playing with fireworks. I have more of a beef with departments kicking doors in on wrong address raids then forcing the families to sue for repairs. But if I got stuck with 400K in losses over this situation I'm sure I'd be pretty pissed at the world. |
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