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Posted: 8/28/2022 8:49:24 AM EDT
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Learn a fighting system including the use of a knife.
If you think of a knife as a fist to be avoided, the only true advantage is its greater reach than a fist. |
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Posted: 8/28/2022 8:53:52 AM EDT
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The pointy end goes in the other person. Not you. Best lesson.
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Posted: 8/28/2022 9:04:45 AM EDT
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Gerber applegate/fairbain folders are sexy as fuk.
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Posted: 8/28/2022 9:09:43 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Learn a fighting system including the use of a knife. If you think of a knife as a fist to be avoided, the only true advantage is its greater reach than a fist. |
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Posted: 8/28/2022 9:12:34 AM EDT
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Go watch some of them old black and white YouTube videos of WW2 knife fighting. They’re supper cool
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Posted: 8/28/2022 9:14:45 AM EDT
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Posted: 8/28/2022 10:05:19 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Gerber applegate/fairbain folders are sexy as fuk. Meh. Have one and other than stabbing and cutting fruit, the blade is too thin. |
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Posted: 8/28/2022 10:07:38 AM EDT
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Ken "Killer" McCoy endorses them for defense against aggressive Italians.
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Posted: 8/28/2022 10:10:12 AM EDT
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 Fairbairn-Sykes Fighting Knife |
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Posted: 8/28/2022 10:17:43 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ken "Killer" McCoy endorses them for defense against aggressive Italians.  Attached File |
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Posted: 8/28/2022 10:21:31 AM EDT
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The FS fighting knife is the coolest knife that exists. I’d love to have an original version and a nice solid modern version.
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Posted: 8/28/2022 1:22:20 PM EDT
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An arfcommer just made the cover of blade magazine for his version.
You can find the thread in the armory section under blades. |
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Posted: 8/28/2022 1:29:46 PM EDT
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There’s shit up on YouTube. What exactly are you wanting to know?
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Posted: 8/28/2022 1:32:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That and being maimed or fatally wounded every time a "punch" makes solid contact I remember the first time I asked my martial arts instructor about knives. His response, he waves his hand to preempt follow on questions and says “run away” Of course not long after I got into a fight with a guy wielding a screwdriver and didn’t run since it wasn’t a knife. |
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Posted: 8/28/2022 1:33:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Go watch some of them old black and white YouTube videos of WW2 knife fighting. They’re supper cool Very cool but some bad techniques like trading high for low. |
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Posted: 8/28/2022 1:37:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The FS fighting knife is the coolest knife that exists. I’d love to have an original version and a nice solid modern version. Less visually appealing but some of the medieval daggers are very useful and practical. Reading Middle Ages knife fighting techniques is pretty interesting. Imagine UFC meets stabby stabby  Attached File Attached File Attached File |
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Posted: 8/28/2022 1:38:52 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/28/2022 1:40:01 PM EDT
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There are many custom makers who have made or do make FSFKs, many companies that have produced them over the years, and many more that have made production knives inspired by them. Here are some modern, production daggers that are versions of the FSFK, or inspired by it, and that are currently being made:
Fox FSFK (also available with a wood handle, and/or satin blade if you search around) Fox Bellum Boker Applegate Fairbairn Eickhorn FSFK Spartan Blades V14 Spartan Blades Harsey Extrema Ratio Suppressor Extrema Ratio Herring (don't think this is available in the US, so would have to import it) Acta Non Verba Anthropoid I EDC several of these (not at the same time!). |
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Posted: 8/28/2022 1:40:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryWas going to post this if somebody else hadn't. He's so matter of fact about it and how it's used. Kind of like Christopher Lee schooling Peter Jackson on what it actually sounds like when you stab a man.  Christopher Lee calmly explains why he knows what sound to make when being stabbed in the back |
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Posted: 8/28/2022 1:48:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: There are many custom makers who have or do make FSFKs, many companies that have produced them over the years, and many more that have made production knives inspired by them. Here are some modern, production daggers that are versions of the FSFK, or inspired by it, and that are currently being made: Fox FSFK (also available with a wood handle, and/or satin blade if you search around) Fox Bellum Boker Applegate Fairbairn Eickhorn FSFK Spartan Blades V14 Spartan Blades Harsey Extrema Ratio Suppressor Extrema Ratio Herring (don't think this is available in the US, so would have to import it) Acta Non Verba Anthropoid I EDC several of these (not at the same time!). Beautiful blades but if someone is wearing a coat you better stick to neck or maybe armpits |
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Posted: 8/28/2022 1:55:35 PM EDT
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Pointy end towards enemy.
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Posted: 8/28/2022 2:01:42 PM EDT
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I'll take a smatchet over a dagger any day.
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Posted: 8/28/2022 2:04:51 PM EDT
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I present the Case V42, the holy grail of fighting daggers and the inspiration for the dagger in the US Army Special Forces Crest....
Case V42  Attached File |
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Posted: 8/28/2022 2:30:28 PM EDT
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 Attached FileI have three. The M500 (Czechoslovakia), Hill Knives (Holland), and a real FS (England). If I were to carry one, the most practical would be the Hill Knives. |
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Posted: 8/28/2022 2:33:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Beautiful blades but if someone is wearing a coat you better stick to neck or maybe armpits If the opposition is wearing heavy clothing, then the point is probably going to be a lot more useful than the edge, and that is literally the point of the Fairbairn Sykes. I don't have a need for a sentry removal dagger, but if I ever get another it would be a 2nd pattern F-S. |
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Posted: 8/28/2022 2:34:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'll take a smatchet over a dagger any day. Supply store off post by Fort Ord had some mint WW2 smatchets I spent hours examining. The wife was not having it so I bought a coffee mug with unit logo and hoped one day but after the 90s the supply store converted to paint ball. |
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Posted: 8/28/2022 2:34:58 PM EDT
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Oops
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Posted: 8/28/2022 2:37:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If the opposition is wearing heavy clothing, then the point is probably going to be a lot more useful than the edge, and that is literally the point of the Fairbairn Sykes. I don't have a need for a sentry removal dagger, but if I ever get another it would be a 2nd pattern F-S. Hard to get a point thru winter coats. I’m thinking more of street fights than WW2 sentries when I say coats. |
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Posted: 8/28/2022 2:45:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Hard to get a point thru winter coats. I’m thinking more of street fights than WW2 sentries when I say coats. It isn't that hard unless maybe you're looking to drive it to the hilt, and even if someone is wearing a ridiculously amount of layers sufficient to stop the blade, it's still going to hurt. |
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Posted: 8/28/2022 2:48:07 PM EDT
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I know little about them, but here's a reversed knurling handled one.
 Attached FileThis one has a broad arrow and 9 marking, making it apparently quite rare. |
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Posted: 8/28/2022 2:50:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It isn't that hard unless maybe you're looking to drive it to the hilt, and even if someone is wearing a ridiculously amount of layers sufficient to stop the blade, it's still going to hurt. I’ve been in a couple knife fights, I’m not talking from a theoretical point of view. |
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Posted: 8/28/2022 2:53:01 PM EDT
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Lots of info here.....Stabby, Pointy Death
I have a couple but would prefer a good Bowie or Smatchet if I had to use a blade in H2H combat. |
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Posted: 8/28/2022 2:59:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Beautiful blades but if someone is wearing a coat you better stick to neck or maybe armpits Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: There are many custom makers who have or do make FSFKs, many companies that have produced them over the years, and many more that have made production knives inspired by them. Here are some modern, production daggers that are versions of the FSFK, or inspired by it, and that are currently being made: Fox FSFK (also available with a wood handle, and/or satin blade if you search around) Fox Bellum Boker Applegate Fairbairn Eickhorn FSFK Spartan Blades V14 Spartan Blades Harsey Extrema Ratio Suppressor Extrema Ratio Herring (don't think this is available in the US, so would have to import it) Acta Non Verba Anthropoid I EDC several of these (not at the same time!). Beautiful blades but if someone is wearing a coat you better stick to neck or maybe armpits Clothing frustrates cuts but is virtually irrelevant to thrusts. Here are demonstrations against late medieval cloth armor (24 layers of quilted linen). Skip to 2:30 if you just want the first demonstration with no context, and 3:35 for the second.  Cloth Armor vs Daggers and Swords And here are demonstrations against doubled-up cotton pants and a coat with synthetic insulation. Skip to 00:50 for the first thrust demonstration, 1:25 for the second, and 2:10 for the third.  Knives vs Clothing Apart from the second knife in the first video, all of the knives used were only single-edged. |
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Posted: 8/28/2022 3:14:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I’ve been in a couple knife fights, I’m not talking from a theoretical point of view. I've only been in one, but I've got about 20 years training in various knife systems. I just don't see how a typical winter coat could provide much protection against a stab unless maybe the knife you're using is unsuitable for stabbing. And I live in Canada where the winter garb is probably thicker than where you are. |
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Posted: 8/28/2022 3:20:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Supply store off post by Fort Ord had some mint WW2 smatchets I spent hours examining. The wife was not having it so I bought a coffee mug with unit logo and hoped one day but after the 90s the supply store converted to paint ball. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I'll take a smatchet over a dagger any day. Supply store off post by Fort Ord had some mint WW2 smatchets I spent hours examining. The wife was not having it so I bought a coffee mug with unit logo and hoped one day but after the 90s the supply store converted to paint ball. That the one right on Route 1 in Moss Landing? Always thought that's really out of place every time I drive by |
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Posted: 8/28/2022 3:20:38 PM EDT
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https://www.fairbairnsykesfightingknives.com/
http://www.macdonaldarms.com/armoury/FairbairnSykes.php The first link is a good history full of 1st,2nd & 3rd pattern info. The second is good place to get the high end real deal this company made some of the original 1st patterns You can still purchase the current UK MOD model from Sheffield,I have done it |
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Posted: 8/28/2022 3:32:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Clothing frustrates cuts but is virtually irrelevant to thrusts. Here are demonstrations against late medieval cloth armor (24 layers of quilted linen). Skip to 2:30 if you just want the first demonstration with no context, and 3:35 for the second.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5beULSL2jxgAnd here are demonstrations against doubled-up cotton pants and a coat with synthetic insulation. Skip to 00:50 for the first thrust demonstration, 1:25 for the second, and 2:10 for the third. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mFozCNHC_aUApart from the second knife in the first video, all of the knives used were only single-edged. That’s a fucking Rondel dagger http://myarmoury.com/feature_spot_rondel.html  15th Century Medieval Daggers: Bollock vs Rondel |
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Posted: 8/28/2022 3:36:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That the one right on Route 1 in Moss Landing? Always thought that's really out of place every time I drive by Yeah, back when 7th ID was around, it was boss but once the post closed it went to shit. Surfing down the road from there can be good sometimes.  Attached File |
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Posted: 8/28/2022 3:44:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Clothing frustrates cuts but is virtually irrelevant to thrusts. Here are demonstrations against late medieval cloth armor (24 layers of quilted linen). Skip to 2:30 if you just want the first demonstration with no context, and 3:35 for the second. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5beULSL2jxgAnd here are demonstrations against doubled-up cotton pants and a coat with synthetic insulation. Skip to 00:50 for the first thrust demonstration, 1:25 for the second, and 2:10 for the third. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mFozCNHC_aUApart from the second knife in the first video, all of the knives used were only single-edged. LOL at the material of that thin jacket. I said coat not jacket. Get back to me when you find a video for a coat not a windbreaker. |
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Posted: 8/28/2022 3:45:06 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/28/2022 3:57:36 PM EDT
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Posted: 8/28/2022 4:06:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah, back when 7th ID was around, it was boss but once the post closed it went to shit. Surfing down the road from there can be good sometimes. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/459941/28ECFD3C-2B9A-4DB2-AD79-DB69865AEDB9_jpe-2506325.JPG Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: That the one right on Route 1 in Moss Landing? Always thought that's really out of place every time I drive by Yeah, back when 7th ID was around, it was boss but once the post closed it went to shit. Surfing down the road from there can be good sometimes. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/459941/28ECFD3C-2B9A-4DB2-AD79-DB69865AEDB9_jpe-2506325.JPG Nice. I've never actually been inside but driven past it a million times. Did a stint at DLI in the mid 10s and my dad and his side of the family all live in Sonoma County so try to get down to Monterey when I'm out there. |
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Posted: 8/28/2022 4:19:51 PM EDT
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Look at the vid of the smoke shop owner that put blade in a guys neck/clavicle area,it’s been posted here several times.
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Posted: 8/28/2022 4:22:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah, back when 7th ID was around, it was boss but once the post closed it went to shit. Surfing down the road from there can be good sometimes. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/459941/28ECFD3C-2B9A-4DB2-AD79-DB69865AEDB9_jpe-2506325.JPG |
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Posted: 8/28/2022 4:27:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Nice. I've never actually been inside but driven past it a million times. Did a stint at DLI in the mid 10s and my dad and his side of the family all live in Sonoma County so try to get down to Monterey when I'm out there. DLI is a sweet hidden jewel most people even in the military don’t know about. Monterey is 70 at mist 80 degrees when the rest of California gets those 3 day 100 heat waves innJuly/August or September. Only the Avenue of the Giants- Eureka and Crescent City have cool summer weather all summer. Santa Barbara and San Francisco Bay Area 2nd place. San Diego 3rd. Golfers, scuba and car collectors. Monterey has cold water but otherwise lots to do except late nightlife but 2 hour drive up to San Francisco depending on traffic. |
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Posted: 8/28/2022 4:32:04 PM EDT
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One day....one day I will make a Sykes Fairburn and a V-42 out of Damascus. One day.. Still quite outside of my skill level as of yet.
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Posted: 8/28/2022 4:33:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Awesome, for those who don't know DLI is the military language school {but Special Forces now does language at Ft Bragg NC} DLI is a sweet hidden jewel most people even in the military don't know about. Monterey is 70 at mist 80 degrees when the rest of California gets those 3 day 100 heat waves innJuly/August or September. Only the Avenue of the Giants- Eureka and Crescent City have cool summer weather all summer. Santa Barbara and San Francisco Bay Area 2nd place. San Diego 3rd. Golfers, scuba and car collectors. Monterey has cold water but otherwise lots to do except late nightlife but 2 hour drive up to San Francisco depending on traffic. |
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Posted: 8/28/2022 4:34:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 7th ID is gone? I'm out of touch. The Army/Navy stores of the '60s and '70s were a goldmine. 7th got moved a few times and now is at Ft Lewis WA but only as a headquarters. 1994 the division got deactivated. I’ve posted pics of me at Impossible City a couple times in threads. Now $400,000 which is like 1/2 to 1/3 typical house prices of Bay Area are being built on the former Ft Ord. The commissary and PX are still there. Golf course is u see private civilian ownership. |
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Posted: 8/28/2022 4:35:57 PM EDT
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If you're in blade fight, you're both going to get cut. Best to avoid it.
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Posted: 8/28/2022 4:38:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You forgot the aquarium. Best part. Yeah, it’s a fantastic aquarium I just got disappointed when management there went woke. But yeah there’s jazz festivals and all kinds of stuff to enjoy. Carmel has more rules but you can enjoy bonfires on the beach and watch the sunset go down which is nicer than east coast sunsets on the Atlantic side with way better weather in the summer. |
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